Butter in coffee

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  • provencal73
    provencal73 Posts: 1,275 Member
    I've heard about this, and coconut oil. I think I'll stick to my Vanilla Silk Milk.
  • JodehFoster
    JodehFoster Posts: 419 Member
    not much different than a hot buttered rum

    ...except coffee
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    Yup, the last of the milk for coffee got used on cereal yesterday so I went bulletproof. I reduce though. 1tsp butter, 1tsp coconut oil, blend until frothy. Better for me than artificial creamer, and tastes yummy!

    Ya, I used 1 teaspoon each as well. Plus 1/2 scoop of protein powder. However, now that I am reducing saturated fats, I kicked coconut oil to the curb and am severely limiting butter.
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    not much different than a hot buttered rum

    ...except coffee

    Yum. True. I haven't had that in a few years... Terrible oversight.

  • dsusanka
    dsusanka Posts: 2 Member
    is coconut oil available at most supermarkets?
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    dsusanka wrote: »
    is coconut oil available at most supermarkets?

    Yes. It's often in the "natural foods" aisle at my supermarket. Even Costco carries it.
  • KareninCanada
    KareninCanada Posts: 962 Member
    Butter or coconut oil. But you HAVE to blend it, not just stir it in. Then it turns into a frothy sort of latte and is actually pretty good.
  • CardiganandFlannel
    CardiganandFlannel Posts: 232 Member
    I love cream in coffee...but butter sounds awful....shouldnt though.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    dsusanka wrote: »
    is coconut oil available at most supermarkets?

    Yes. It's often in the "natural foods" aisle at my supermarket. Even Costco carries it.

    And if there isn't a natural foods section, it will be in with the cooking oils. WalMart carries it. On the top shelf, which is kind of funny to me. I know it's supermarket product placement, but it makes me think of top shelf liquor.
  • VisofSer
    VisofSer Posts: 130 Member
    I enjoy this occasionally and add a teaspoon of unsalted Kerrygold to my black coffee. I find it gives it a similar froth and richness as cream. As I dislike milk with coffee, this works for me.

    A word of warning for anyone trying this is never use salted butter.
  • aylajane
    aylajane Posts: 979 Member
    To everyone saying it sounds gross, etc... Its all personal taste... I dont think it sounds appealing but I dont like chocolate either so all those recipes and gushing about cocoa and chocolate on everything sounds really gross to me :). But mayo on french fries is AMAZING and I will gush over that any day...

    If you are trying to up your fat, or looking for a new breakfast or like rich creamy coffee, might be worth a try?
  • beemerphile1
    beemerphile1 Posts: 1,710 Member
    dsusanka wrote: »
    is coconut oil available at most supermarkets?

    Probably but my favorite is unrefined coconut oil, it has a slight coconut taste. The refined coconut oil is mostly tasteless. My favorite brand is Spectrum Unrefined Organic Coconut Oil. Since the stuff lasts forever I order it by the case online.
  • beemerphile1
    beemerphile1 Posts: 1,710 Member
    Butter or coconut oil. But you HAVE to blend it, not just stir it in. Then it turns into a frothy sort of latte and is actually pretty good.

    I've never blended it. That would just add the extra steps of using and then cleaning the blender/mixer. Unrefined Coconut Oil seems to dissolve fine in hot coffee.
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    Butter or coconut oil. But you HAVE to blend it, not just stir it in. Then it turns into a frothy sort of latte and is actually pretty good.

    I've never blended it. That would just add the extra steps of using and then cleaning the blender/mixer. Unrefined Coconut Oil seems to dissolve fine in hot coffee.

    I just quickly whisk it instead of stirring with a spoon. Quick and easy and frothy.
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  • SizeTenByTeatime
    SizeTenByTeatime Posts: 34 Member
    That sounds sooooo disgusting! :/
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    If you're an Eskimo living in the arctic and you need fat, and have a lack of calories for food (like maybe you don't always know if you'll eat), then do it. Otherwise, there's no point.

    Flavor and taste! That's like saying to ice cream lovers that there is no point to ice cream if you don't live in a tropical region
  • Wetcoaster
    Wetcoaster Posts: 1,788 Member
    http://authoritynutrition.com/3-reasons-why-bulletproof-coffee-is-a-bad-idea/

    3 Reasons Why Bulletproof Coffee is a Bad Idea
    By Kris Gunnars, BSc |
    November, 2015
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    Woman With Glasses Holding a Cup of CoffeeCoffee is awesome.

    Butter is awesome.

    Saturated fat is awesome.

    There is no doubt about it… they have been unfairly demonized.

    They’ve been blamed for health problems that they really didn’t have anything to do with.

    Fortunately, the world is slowly but surely abandoning the old diet myths and embracing these foods once again.

    However… it’s important to keep in mind that everything in nutrition depends on dosage and context.

    Just because a little bit of something is healthy, it doesn’t mean that a whole ton of it is healthier, or even safe.

    This brings us to the topic at hand… a huge trend called Bulletproof coffee.

    If you don’t know what this is, then it is a recipe for a coffee drink that replaces breakfast:

    2 cups of coffee.
    2 tablespoons (at least) of grass-fed, unsalted butter.
    1-2 tablespoons of MCT oil.
    All mixed in a blender.

    This is promoted by Dave Asprey, the man behind the website Bulletproof Executive.

    Bulletproof coffee has become so popular that people all over the world have either heard about it or tried it.

    This includes several people I know in real life, people that are not in any way involved in the paleo or low-carb communities.

    For the record, I’m a big fan of grass-fed butter, saturated fat and coffee… separately… in “normal” amounts.

    I’ve written about all of them before and include them in my diet, every day.

    However… I do not think it is a good idea to consume unnaturally large doses of them.

    Some is good, even downright healthy, but too much could very well be a problem.

    Although I’m sure bulletproof coffee is tasty and can boost energy levels (especially for someone on a ketogenic diet), I do think there are some genuine concerns that should be noted.

    For the sake of clarity, what this article is about is the act of replacing your breakfast with coffee, butter and MCT oil.

    This article is NOT about the “toxin-free” upgraded coffee beans, a product sold by Dave and recommended with the bulletproof coffee recipe.

    I’m sure it’s decent coffee, although I do not believe the whole mycotoxin thing is supported by science (maybe I’ll cover that in another post).

    But I digress… here are 3 reasons why I think bulletproof coffee is a bad idea.
    1. You Are Displacing a Highly Nutritious Meal With Something That is Low in Essential Nutrients

    Man in Suit Drinking Coffee

    It is generally recommended to consume bulletproof coffee in the morning instead of breakfast.

    I’m not at all surprised that this can work…

    Large amounts of fat should effectively kill the appetite for many hours, especially for people who are “ketoadapted” and used to eating a low-carb, high fat diet.

    This could also provide plenty of energy by elevating ketone levels in the blood, which then become available as fuel for the brain.

    These benefits are impressive… but there is a pretty obvious downside here, which is rarely mentioned.

    Let’s assume that you’re used to eating 3 meals per day (very common). Breakfast, lunch and dinner.

    By drinking bulletproof coffee, you are effectively replacing 1 of 3 nutritious meals with something that is low in essential nutrients.

    Yes, grass-fed butter contains some fat-soluble vitamins (A and K2), CLA and butyrate. It’s good stuff.

    But MCT oil is 100% empty calories. It is a refined and processed fat with no essential nutrients. It is also as far from “paleo” as a food can get.

    Even though bulletproof coffee may contain small amounts of nutrients, this completely pales in comparison to what you would get from a nutritious breakfast.

    Let’s try putting these meals into Cron-O-Meter (my favorite food tracker) and see what happens…

    My 4 Omega-3 enriched egg (fried in 5-10 grams of coconut oil) and 1 apple breakfast supplies me with large amounts of nutrients (screenshot):

    25 grams of protein.
    5 grams of fiber.
    Over 50% of the RDA for Selenium, Phosphorus, Vitamin B12, Vitamin B2 and Vitamin B5.
    Over 10% of the RDA for every nutrient except magnesium, manganese and Vitamin B3 (Niacin).

    This breakfast contains 429 calories, with 27 grams of net carbs.

    Now let’s take a look at bulletproof coffee – 2 cups of coffee, 2 tablespoons of MCT oil, 2 tablespoons of butter (screenshot):

    1 gram of protein.
    0 grams of fiber.
    Under 10% of the RDA for every nutrient except Vitamin A, Vitamin B2 and Vitamin B5 (which range from 22-28% of the RDA).

    Bulletproof coffee supplies 441 calories with 0 grams of carbs and and 51 grams of fat (80% of which are saturated).

    To be fair, I used regular unsalted butter for the comparison. Cron-O-Meter does not have grass-fed butter listed, which should be higher in some nutrients (1, 2).

    If you’re used to eating 3 meals per day, then replacing breakfast with bulletproof coffee will reduce the total nutrient load of your diet by a third.

    This can’t be healthy… really. And it certainly isn’t “paleo” – paleolithic humans went for nutrient density (that’s why they were crazy about organ meats).

    If you think a multivitamin can solve this problem, think again… NO multivitamin can replace the thousands of trace nutrients, both known and unknown, that are present in real food.

    Bottom Line: If you replace one of your daily meals with a mix of coffee and fat, then you will significantly reduce the total nutrient load of your diet.

    2. Saturated Fat is Good… But Humans Did NOT Evolve Eating Such Massive Amounts

    Foods High in Saturated Fat

    Saturated fat was unfairly demonized.

    Recent high quality studies have shown that it doesn’t cause heart disease (3, 4, 5).

    However… keep in mind that all of the studies were done on people using “normal” amounts.

    These people weren’t pouring massive amounts of saturated fat into their coffee, they were eating it along with other foods.

    These fats belong in recipes and should be used to cook with or to add flavor to dishes. They should be eaten with a meal, not as the meal.

    Humans did NOT evolve eating (or drinking) such massive amounts of saturated fat.

    There are plenty of nutrients that are healthy when consumed in reasonable amounts, but when people start megadosing them it can cause serious problems.

    One example is fructose… it’s “good” when found in nutritious, fibrous whole fruit, but a disaster when consumed in massive amounts from refined sugars (6, 7).

    Another example is linoleic acid (the main Omega-6 fat)… it’s healthy when found in whole, nutritious nuts, but a disaster when consumed in massive amounts from veggie oils (8, 9, 10).

    It is entirely possible that saturated fat is the same. Healthy in reasonable amounts, but harmful when we start eating massive, unnaturally large doses that are way outside of evolutionary norms.

    Of course, all of this is just speculation. Maybe such massive doses of saturated fat are perfectly safe, but it hasn’t been tested… ever… so you are treading in uncharted territory.

    Bottom Line: Saturated fat seems to be perfectly safe in “normal” amounts, but the doses contained in bulletproof coffee are much higher than we were ever exposed to throughout evolution. This may be a problem.

    3. There Have Been Some Case Reports of Dramatically Elevated Cholesterol Due to Bulletproof Coffee

    Male Doctor Looking Unhappy

    Since the year 2002, many studies have been conducted on low-carb and ketogenic diets.

    Most of them confirm that levels of Total and LDL (the “bad”) cholesterol don’t increase… at least not on average (11).

    Triglycerides go down, HDL goes up, weight goes down (especially the dangerous abdominal fat), along with various other beneficial effects on metabolic health.

    (Although there appears to be a subset of individual that sees dramatic increases in Total and LDL cholesterol, as well as “advanced” markers like LDL-p/ApoB).

    However… keep in mind that the studies showing safety and health benefits of low-carb and ketogenic diets did NOT have the participants drink bulletproof coffee, which is a new phenomenon.

    There is no study on bulletproof coffee, whether on a low-carb diet or not, showing that it is safe.

    I’ve heard reports from low-carb friendly doctors that had patients with drastically elevated cholesterol levels on a low-carb and/or paleo diet… who happened to also be drinking bulletproof coffee.

    You can read about one such case report by endocrinology fellow Dr. Karl Nadolsky here in a story on Med Page Today.

    Keep in mind that this goes way beyond Total and LDL cholesterol, which we now know are not that accurate as risk factors. These are increases in ApoB and LDL particle number, which are much stronger and more accurate risk factors (12, 13).

    Although these numbers are still just risk factors… given how strong their predictive value is, I think this is a legitimate concern.

    For the subset of people who have cholesterol problems on a low-carb and/or paleo diet, the first thing they should do is ditch the bulletproof coffee. This alone may be sufficient to fix the problem.

    There are also plenty of anecdotal reports online of people having cholesterol problems due to bulletproof coffee. Try searching for “bulletproof coffee high cholesterol” (without the quotes) on Google and see for yourself.

    Bottom Line: There have been numerous reports of people having massive increases in cholesterol levels when drinking bulletproof coffee. This includes advanced risk factors like ApoB and LDL particle number.

    Should Anyone be Drinking Bulletproof Coffee?

    All of this being said, I do believe that bulletproof coffee can work for some people… especially for people who are on a ketogenic diet.

    There are a lot of testimonials online about it helping people lose weight and increasing their energy levels.

    If you find that bulletproof coffee improves your health, wellbeing and quality of life, then perhaps it is worth the downside of dramatically decreased nutrient load.

    However, this is probably a terrible idea for people who eat a lot of carbs. High-carb and high-fat at the same time is a recipe for disaster.

    I think that just to be on the safe side, anyone who drinks bulletproof coffee regularly should have their blood markers measured. Perhaps you are one of those who respond badly… the only way to know is to get tested.

    At the end of the day, bulletproof coffee may work for some people, but may be a complete disaster for others. Only you can figure out which group you fall into.

    I personally think it is best to proceed with caution when adopting a drastic dietary change that has never been tested and is way outside of evolutionary norms.

    It is better to be safe than sorry.
  • klkateri
    klkateri Posts: 432 Member
    Butter in coffee is a Keto thing but you also use coconut oil as well. You uber blend it till frothy. I have just started Keto myself (under doctor's supervision and recommendation) and might try it as I don't really eat in the am. It's supposed to fill you up more than even just coffee with heavy whipping cream. I myself have issues getting in the right amount of fat still so something like this would help but I'm hesitant. I love coffee but am unsure about the taste... I've heard its very creamy so I'm sure I'll give it a shot.
  • You can sure tell it's January around here...
    Bulletproof coffee, though I've never tried it (because ew), would work wonderfully for me for the same reason Tim Hortons' double-double works wonders for me. 10 mins later and I'm losing 5 lbs if you know what I'm saying. And I'm guessing only Canadians will get the Timmie's reference.
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    edited January 2016
    Big waste of calories for no benefits, IMO. I'd rather have a regular cup of coffee and eat a couple eggs, a couple slices of bacon and a piece of toast. If it was liquid calories, I'd rather have a protein shake than a sludgy cup of coffee.
  • MommyMeggo
    MommyMeggo Posts: 1,222 Member
    I love coconut oil in my coffee.
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    I'm not a coffee drinker, but if i was I'm sure BPC would taste great. I do bullet proof hot chocolate instead..

    I use a 500ml soup mug :lol:

    -25g protein powder- I alternate between quest chocolate and peanut butter.

    - 15g butter

    -15g coconut oil

    -15g thickened cream

    Fill the cup 1/4 the way up with boiled kettle water and blend using a hand immersion blender, then fill to the top with the rest of the hot water. A filling creamy cup of deliciousness! And keeps me full til lunch time.

    Comes to 385 calories

    Sometimes I also add 15ml of coconut cream
  • Wetcoaster
    Wetcoaster Posts: 1,788 Member
    More from Alan

    1. Alan Aragon — Buttered (Bulletproof) Coffee

    Alan Aragon I’d have to say buttered coffee is the most overrated health food right now.

    The current trend of dumping butter into your coffee (the “bulletproof” recipe calls for butter and MCT oil) is ridiculous for a couple of reasons. First off, the idea that it’s a fat-burning drink is completely false. If anything, it’s a fat-gaining drink.

    Secondly, butter is not a magic food. If anything, it’s a food that needs to be carefully moderated since it can adversely affect blood lipid profile by increasing apolipoprotein B ( apo B ) levels, which has the potential to raise the risk for cardiovascular disease. In addition to raising apo B levels, adding supplemental MCT oil to coffee has the potential to raise fasting blood glucose and triglyceride levels. Both of these effects are not conducive to good health.

    One more little wrinkle here, cream contains a substantially higher content of milk fat globule membrane (MFGM) than butter due to the churning process involved with butter production. Recent research has linked the higher MFGM content of cream to its more favorable effect on blood lipid profile than that of butter. So yeah, stick with cream if you’re going to dress up your coffee, and don’t buy into the imaginative BS claims made by crazy opportunists and marketer
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  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    edited January 2016
    I drink it because it's yummy and filling and replaced the ton of milk I was consuming in my cups of tea. I haven't had it in a while though because I was struggling staying below my calories. I do sometimes have it (recipe above) as a filling sweet dessert.
  • vivmom2014
    vivmom2014 Posts: 1,649 Member
    I would consider it an insult to coffee. Pass.
  • grinning_chick
    grinning_chick Posts: 765 Member
    edited January 2016
    Butter is cream. It's delicious!

    Yeah, churned cream. With the buttermilk separated out and drained off. Ne'er to go back to being cream again, no matter how hard it tries.

    So a cup of coffee with a tablespoon of butter and a cup of coffee with a tablespoon of cream is interchangeable for you?

    Not me. I like my coffee cool and creamy versus still hot and acidic with an oil slick on it.



  • youngmomtaz
    youngmomtaz Posts: 1,075 Member
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    If you're an Eskimo living in the arctic and you need fat, and have a lack of calories for food (like maybe you don't always know if you'll eat), then do it. Otherwise, there's no point.

    Flavor and taste! That's like saying to ice cream lovers that there is no point to ice cream if you don't live in a tropical region

    That's not why people are doing it, and you know it. Don't be coy. This is a silly trend that some dude started because he "discovered" this magic thing. It's BS. People aren't doing it because they like it, they are doing it because it has supposed benefits. There is no legitimate knowledgeable person that I am aware of that thinks this is a good idea, from a nutrition or health perspective.

    If you have tried it, and you enjoy it, then keep doing it. I don't care. But there are no benefits other than eating and drinking coffee. It's not magic when you mix it together.


    I do it because it tastes good. It is not artificial like the bottled non dairy creamer crap, it fills me up more than a splash of milk would, and helps add to my macro goals. No magic. Again, it is a food choice. We all make them.

    The article above stating that we will all most likely raise blood cholesterol levels because of bulletproof coffee(did it include research on lifestyle, heredity, or other food choices? I did not read more than what was posted here) is just as good as the sensationalist articles claiming that if I drink pop I will gain 15lbs this year or that McDonald's will kill me. My morning coffee yesterday was total 80cal. Easily fit into my calorie and macro numbers.
  • Wetcoaster
    Wetcoaster Posts: 1,788 Member
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    If you're an Eskimo living in the arctic and you need fat, and have a lack of calories for food (like maybe you don't always know if you'll eat), then do it. Otherwise, there's no point.

    Flavor and taste! That's like saying to ice cream lovers that there is no point to ice cream if you don't live in a tropical region

    That's not why people are doing it, and you know it. Don't be coy. This is a silly trend that some dude started because he "discovered" this magic thing. It's BS. People aren't doing it because they like it, they are doing it because it has supposed benefits. There is no legitimate knowledgeable person that I am aware of that thinks this is a good idea, from a nutrition or health perspective.

    If you have tried it, and you enjoy it, then keep doing it. I don't care. But there are no benefits other than eating and drinking coffee. It's not magic when you mix it together.


    I do it because it tastes good. It is not artificial like the bottled non dairy creamer crap, it fills me up more than a splash of milk would, and helps add to my macro goals. No magic. Again, it is a food choice. We all make them.

    The article above stating that we will all most likely raise blood cholesterol levels because of bulletproof coffee(did it include research on lifestyle, heredity, or other food choices? I did not read more than what was posted here) is just as good as the sensationalist articles claiming that if I drink pop I will gain 15lbs this year or that McDonald's will kill me. My morning coffee yesterday was total 80cal. Easily fit into my calorie and macro numbers.

    Yes Alan is misinformed ....lol
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