Zero calorie, fat, carb, and sugar foods!

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  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    @arditarose would protein fluff meet these requirements (I've never actually made it before).
  • MommyMeggo
    MommyMeggo Posts: 1,222 Member
    edited January 2016
    Jacklifts- Its really not just the highly restrictive diet that is alarming but more-so the reason why she is being told to do it. Because she has mental issues and will get discouraged with slow weight loss and results not showing quick enough for her liking. Just seems an odd prescription for a case of impatience.
  • Katleskin
    Katleskin Posts: 111 Member
    Funnily enough I won some of their products a few weeks ago. Had never heard of them before. The coffee creamer (not something I use anyway) is awful and artificial tasting, ditto the 'fruit spread' which doesn't even contain fruit, didn't spread (just kinda sat there) and had the most horrific aftertaste. I binned them both after one try. However, I quite like the caramel sauce which I've been mixing in with my morning porridge. Not sure what else I'd use it for, smoothies maybe. I also have the chocolate sauce/syrup to go at (even though I asked for chocolate spread and they sent me the wrong one - waaaaah!). Can't say I find them that tasty or useful to warrant actually seeking them out to purchase again though. If I want jam or chocolate spread, I'll just have the 'proper' stuff and make it fit my calorie allowance.
  • exoticpumpkin
    exoticpumpkin Posts: 24 Member
    jacklifts wrote: »
    Nobody asked her how long she plans to be on this diet. PSMF is fine for a short period of time. Read Lyle McDonald, who is a world class nutritionist.
    Don't listen to these MFPers, who most likely have little credentials themselves, questioning a team of professionals who are both credentialed and have extensive experience treating others. smh
    That being said, if it does become difficult to stick to, you should discuss it with your treatment team. They may need to wean you off earlier than expected.
    Good luck, OP!

    Just because someone says they are a "professional" doesn't mean they give good advice. There are plenty of bad apples in every profession...people trust these professionals and the information they get from them because of the reputation of the profession. Especially in the health, wellness and weight loss industry, these professionals prey on people who are desperate to lose weight and will pay anything and try anything with a slick sales pitch in hopes that they will lose weight quickly.

    I'm not saying that this specific team of professionals falls into this category, because there isn't enough information to go off of, but I wouldn't say to not listen to MFPers who question a "team of professionals". Many MFPers are in fact professionals in the health and wellness industry and whether they are or aren't shouldn't dictate someones ability to share an opinion on something they think is unhealthy.

    If I posted something I had been Rx'd diet wise and people suggested I get a second opinion...well I might just take the time to do that, there's no harm in other people recommending you do your due diligence when making drastic nutritional changes for any length of time. Just my .02.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    A nutritionist or a registered dietician? There's an important difference. If it's the first, chances are not one of these four professionals knows more about nutrition than any of the knowledgable people on MFP.
  • SavannahNoelle97
    SavannahNoelle97 Posts: 31 Member
    aggelikik wrote: »
    Also, have you discussed the plan with your psychiatrist? And I mean a psychiatrist, not psychologist, not therapist, not GP.

    My psychiatrist is the one who recommended me to this group of people for this.
  • SavannahNoelle97
    SavannahNoelle97 Posts: 31 Member
    jacklifts wrote: »
    Nobody asked her how long she plans to be on this diet. PSMF is fine for a short period of time. Read Lyle McDonald, who is a world class nutritionist.
    Don't listen to these MFPers, who most likely have little credentials themselves, questioning a team of professionals who are both credentialed and have extensive experience treating others. smh
    That being said, if it does become difficult to stick to, you should discuss it with your treatment team. They may need to wean you off earlier than expected.
    Good luck, OP!

    Thank you very much! That's what I'm trying to explain but everyone just thinks it's a horrible thing for me to do. I only plan to do it for about three months. And lose as much as possible. And then slowly add back in a healthy amount of carbs, sugars, and fat. And at that point, begin calorie counting to lose the rest of what I want to lose. I'm not planning on losing 160 lbs fast. I'm planning on losing 70 lbs fast. And then feeling so much better at that weight that I am motivated to continue losing weight on my own.
  • SavannahNoelle97
    SavannahNoelle97 Posts: 31 Member
    auddii wrote: »
    @arditarose would protein fluff meet these requirements (I've never actually made it before).

    I don't know what that is to be honest.
  • arditarose
    arditarose Posts: 15,573 Member
    auddii wrote: »
    @arditarose would protein fluff meet these requirements (I've never actually made it before).


    Well it has calories, and only the amount of carbs from the protein powder if you do it the most basic way and make it with water.
  • arditarose
    arditarose Posts: 15,573 Member
    SavannahNoelle97 wrote: »
    auddii wrote: »
    @arditarose would protein fluff meet these requirements (I've never actually made it before).

    I don't know what that is to be honest.

    You mix protein powder, xanthum gum, liquid of your choice, zero calorie sweetener of your choice and literally whatever powdered product you like (I use cocoa powder and cinnamon), to make this ginormous bowl of "fluff" for very little calories. Fat does not work well with it as it causes it not to fluff.
  • SavannahNoelle97
    SavannahNoelle97 Posts: 31 Member
    arditarose wrote: »
    SavannahNoelle97 wrote: »
    auddii wrote: »
    @arditarose would protein fluff meet these requirements (I've never actually made it before).

    I don't know what that is to be honest.

    You mix protein powder, xanthum gum, liquid of your choice, zero calorie sweetener of your choice and literally whatever powdered product you like (I use cocoa powder and cinnamon), to make this ginormous bowl of "fluff" for very little calories. Fat does not work well with it as it causes it not to fluff.

    That sound awesome! I'll ask my doctors if I could do that.
  • faidwen
    faidwen Posts: 131 Member
    I've tried these, and they taste alright, a little watery, and typically I find when they remove ALL the other stuff, they add sodium :)
  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,097 Member
    SavannahNoelle97 wrote: »
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    SavannahNoelle97 wrote: »
    arditarose wrote: »
    SavannahNoelle97 wrote: »
    arditarose wrote: »
    SavannahNoelle97 wrote: »
    arditarose wrote: »
    I go through a bottle of the chocolate sauce per week. The caramel is good and the pancake syrup is actually very good. I've heard horrible things about the peanut butter.

    That's unfortunate haha. I was really hoping the peanut butter would be good. But I'll definitely be happy to try the caramel now! And the pancake syrup! Thanks!

    Just use powdered peanut butter if you're looking to cut PB calories.

    I'm on a really strict sugar free, carb free, low fat diet. So I haven't found any kind of PB I could have. Thanks though!

    Low fat and low carb? Medical reasons?

    It is prescribed by a doctor. It's mostly just to lose a lot of weight very quickly for a short period of time.

    Your doctor put you on a sugar free and carb free diet? As in zero?

    I'd be seeking a new doctor, pronto.

    I'm allowed to have foods with less than three grams of carbs per ounce. And two servings of vegetables a day. 5 grams or carbs each. Virtually sugar free. I'm on supplements to make sure my body is getting the nutrients it needs.

    Cool. Dilute a 12-oz can of Pepsi with one oz of diet soda or water, and you're there. (150 calories [in 12 oz. regular Pepsi], divided by 4 [because 4 calories per gram of carbs] = 37.5 grams of carbs total; 37.5 divided by 13 oz [12 oz. Pepsi plus one oz. diet soda or water] = 2.8 grams of carb per oz.
  • WinoGelato
    WinoGelato Posts: 13,454 Member
    SavannahNoelle97 wrote: »
    jacklifts wrote: »
    Nobody asked her how long she plans to be on this diet. PSMF is fine for a short period of time. Read Lyle McDonald, who is a world class nutritionist.
    Don't listen to these MFPers, who most likely have little credentials themselves, questioning a team of professionals who are both credentialed and have extensive experience treating others. smh
    That being said, if it does become difficult to stick to, you should discuss it with your treatment team. They may need to wean you off earlier than expected.
    Good luck, OP!

    Thank you very much! That's what I'm trying to explain but everyone just thinks it's a horrible thing for me to do. I only plan to do it for about three months. And lose as much as possible. And then slowly add back in a healthy amount of carbs, sugars, and fat. And at that point, begin calorie counting to lose the rest of what I want to lose. I'm not planning on losing 160 lbs fast. I'm planning on losing 70 lbs fast. And then feeling so much better at that weight that I am motivated to continue losing weight on my own.

    This still does not sound like a physically or psychologically healthy approach. It is a VLCD, you are striving for rapid weight loss, and you have said that you struggle with mental disorders regarding your weight and weight loss. What happens if you don't achieve the loss you're looking for? Will you continue with the extreme approach? You won't be motivated if you haven't lost the 70 lbs? Then what?

    I don't know what else to say except I wish you luck and I strongly urge you to seek a second opinion.
  • LKArgh
    LKArgh Posts: 5,178 Member
    SavannahNoelle97 wrote: »
    aggelikik wrote: »
    Also, have you discussed the plan with your psychiatrist? And I mean a psychiatrist, not psychologist, not therapist, not GP.

    My psychiatrist is the one who recommended me to this group of people for this.

    I am assuming that you trust your psychiatrist and medical team, and that they will be supervising both your physical and mental health during this process. If not, then definitely seek a second opinion.
    If yes, go back to your dr or dietitian and ask for more specific instructions. Like sample menus that will work for you. Since this is an unusual weight loss approach and it should be medically supervised, do not experiment. Any advice you get here or elsewhere might do more harm than good. If your dr cannot help and cannot answer your questions, then you need a new dr.
  • robertw486
    robertw486 Posts: 2,401 Member
    @SavannahNoelle97

    You might find more input and/or alternative ideas in some of the low carb or keto groups. They find all kinds of creative ways to reduce carbs, and some of them sound really tasty too. I'm not much for suggestions on low carb myself, and your restrictions on it make it tough.

    If you can eat fats without concern, there are actually quite a few salad dressings and such on the regular shelves that are very low carb. Many good salad dressings are high fat and low carb.


    And good job not letting the internet opinions influence the choices you and your team of professionals have made. These types of diets aren't nearly as unusual as many people think.
  • RuNaRoUnDaFiEld
    RuNaRoUnDaFiEld Posts: 5,864 Member
    I'm confused why a medical team would say that you have to have zero carbs and zero sugar and low fat to lose weight fast. Surely they would just say you need x amount of calories.
    What was the reason for cutting out and lowering these?
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    SavannahNoelle97 wrote: »
    jacklifts wrote: »
    Nobody asked her how long she plans to be on this diet. PSMF is fine for a short period of time. Read Lyle McDonald, who is a world class nutritionist.
    Don't listen to these MFPers, who most likely have little credentials themselves, questioning a team of professionals who are both credentialed and have extensive experience treating others. smh
    That being said, if it does become difficult to stick to, you should discuss it with your treatment team. They may need to wean you off earlier than expected.
    Good luck, OP!

    Thank you very much! That's what I'm trying to explain but everyone just thinks it's a horrible thing for me to do. I only plan to do it for about three months. And lose as much as possible. And then slowly add back in a healthy amount of carbs, sugars, and fat. And at that point, begin calorie counting to lose the rest of what I want to lose. I'm not planning on losing 160 lbs fast. I'm planning on losing 70 lbs fast. And then feeling so much better at that weight that I am motivated to continue losing weight on my own.

    Which is something you should have mentioned early. Even three months of PSMF is well in the upper limits of the recommendation. Do read Lyle. And aside from jacklights (who hasn't mentioned his credentials), Lyle has some serious reserves about the use of his diet for large weight loss. 70 lbs is large.

    Make sure your team is doing the necessary blood work to avoid problems. Assure you get your fats. Assure that you are well aware of the risks involved in this type of rapid weight loss, especially on the ED side.

    By the way, Lyle PSMF is not a zero carb, zero sugar. It is a very low carb, low fat, high protein plan. It has breaks. Use them.
  • kommodevaran
    kommodevaran Posts: 17,890 Member
    "Zero calorie, fat, carb, and sugar foods" is not food (food has calories, and calories come from fat, carbs and protein, and we need all of them every day). It is scary to read that medical professionals have endorsed a diet like this and the rules sound really stupid (yes, you can cheat and still follow the rules). This goes against MFPs guidelines and this thread will possibly be closed. When you're already here, why no just follow the nutrition/calorie goals MFP gave you at setup, and lose weight and be healthy?
  • yarwell
    yarwell Posts: 10,477 Member
    kommodevaran wrote: »
    "Zero calorie, fat, carb, and sugar foods" is not food

    +1
  • SavannahNoelle97
    SavannahNoelle97 Posts: 31 Member
    robertw486 wrote: »
    @SavannahNoelle97

    You might find more input and/or alternative ideas in some of the low carb or keto groups. They find all kinds of creative ways to reduce carbs, and some of them sound really tasty too. I'm not much for suggestions on low carb myself, and your restrictions on it make it tough.

    If you can eat fats without concern, there are actually quite a few salad dressings and such on the regular shelves that are very low carb. Many good salad dressings are high fat and low carb.


    And good job not letting the internet opinions influence the choices you and your team of professionals have made. These types of diets aren't nearly as unusual as many people think.
    robertw486 wrote: »
    @SavannahNoelle97

    You might find more input and/or alternative ideas in some of the low carb or keto groups. They find all kinds of creative ways to reduce carbs, and some of them sound really tasty too. I'm not much for suggestions on low carb myself, and your restrictions on it make it tough.

    If you can eat fats without concern, there are actually quite a few salad dressings and such on the regular shelves that are very low carb. Many good salad dressings are high fat and low carb.


    And good job not letting the internet opinions influence the choices you and your team of professionals have made. These types of diets aren't nearly as unusual as many people think.

    Thank you very much!
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