Just had a Body Composition Analyzer Session - Confused!

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  • lowerhogan
    lowerhogan Posts: 47 Member
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    @Gustaaf85 Thanks, yeah i think i will be paying more attention to it. ALthough i have toned up and have gone down clothes sizes , its alarming that my body fat % is on the increase. And i exercise every week too :/
  • lowerhogan
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    @Gustaaf85 It does, i've been hung up on it all day. Especially with the visceral fat, which is alarming. I will try take a more rounded look at it as opposed to zoning in on something that could be a spike for another reason
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
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    Gustaaf85 wrote: »
    MFP is so wrong with their numbers, it say's i need to eat 1700 a day to lose weight, while my BMR calculated by professionals in athlete centre is 1785, so MFP basicly tells me to screw with my organs and make myself unhealthy

    I say that analyzer is better to go with than MFP
    Not saying the analyzer might be 100% right (no machine can do that) but definatly better than MFP (imho)

    there is no issue with eating below BMR .. it causes no damage .. BMR is just an estimated number

    That said work with whatever estimates you wish but always judge over time by what happens with your actual body in terms of weight / body composition

    Unless you are having a Dexa Scan I would ignore any absolute numbers from 'profiles' though there is far too much margin for error .. (sorry, can't see your images due to work filter)
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
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    Gustaaf85 wrote: »
    lowerhogan wrote: »
    @Gustaaf85 It does, i've been hung up on it all day. Especially with the visceral fat, which is alarming. I will try take a more rounded look at it as opposed to zoning in on something that could be a spike for another reason

    Well visceral fat is the fat on the inside
    I have seen people with sixpack, but higher visceral fat than me

    @rabbitjb euhm... Eating below your BMR for a long time can cause serious harm to your organs, if you don't beleive me, ask a doctor!

    Your BMR is just the amount you would be burning if you were in a coma and not moving all day.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
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    Gustaaf85 wrote: »
    @stevencloser
    Yeah so basicly the least amount of fuel you need, or in other words, the least amount of fuel to keep your body functioning

    No, an arbitrary subset of your total actual fuel need, which does not include NEAT and exercise burns.
  • yarwell
    yarwell Posts: 10,477 Member
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    stevencloser wrote: »
    Your BMR is just the amount you would be burning if you were in a coma and not moving all day.

    I don't know where this "coma" nonsense comes from, it's hyperbole. Step 1 of a BMR measurement protocol is not "put the patient into a medically induced coma" :-
    Conditions to be met while measuring BMR

    The concept of basal metabolism arose from the need to
    standardise measurements so that accurate comparisons
    could be made between individuals. This is achieved by
    measuring a minimum rate of heat production free of the
    effects of any consumption of food and ‘extreme’ physical
    environments.

    All BMR measurements must therefore meet the
    following conditions:
    1. The subject should be completely rested, both before
    and during the measurements. They should be lying
    down and fully awake.
    2. The subjects should be fasted for at least 10 –12 hours
    before the measurements are taken.
    3. The environment in which the measurements are taken
    should be thermo-neutral (22–268C) so that there is no
    thermoregulatory effect on heat production.
    4. The subject should be free from emotional stress and
    familiar with the apparatus used.

    Basal metabolic rate studies in humans: measurement
    and development of new equations by CJK Henry
    Public Health Nutrition: 8(7A), 1133–1152 DOI: 10.1079/PHN2005801
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
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    "In a coma" is a faster explanation than "well rested, fasted for at least half a day and not moving while lying down for an extended period of time".
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
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    Gustaaf85 wrote: »
    lowerhogan wrote: »
    @Gustaaf85 It does, i've been hung up on it all day. Especially with the visceral fat, which is alarming. I will try take a more rounded look at it as opposed to zoning in on something that could be a spike for another reason

    Well visceral fat is the fat on the inside
    I have seen people with sixpack, but higher visceral fat than me

    @rabbitjb euhm... Eating below your BMR for a long time can cause serious harm to your organs, if you don't beleive me, ask a doctor!

    if a very long time means you have lost all non-essential fat then possibly .. that I shall concede

    but we aren't there are we

    none of us are I'll warrant :neutral:
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
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    yarwell wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Your BMR is just the amount you would be burning if you were in a coma and not moving all day.

    I don't know where this "coma" nonsense comes from, it's hyperbole. Step 1 of a BMR measurement protocol is not "put the patient into a medically induced coma" :-
    Conditions to be met while measuring BMR

    The concept of basal metabolism arose from the need to
    standardise measurements so that accurate comparisons
    could be made between individuals. This is achieved by
    measuring a minimum rate of heat production free of the
    effects of any consumption of food and ‘extreme’ physical
    environments.

    All BMR measurements must therefore meet the
    following conditions:
    1. The subject should be completely rested, both before
    and during the measurements. They should be lying
    down and fully awake.
    2. The subjects should be fasted for at least 10 –12 hours
    before the measurements are taken.
    3. The environment in which the measurements are taken
    should be thermo-neutral (22–268C) so that there is no
    thermoregulatory effect on heat production.
    4. The subject should be free from emotional stress and
    familiar with the apparatus used.

    Basal metabolic rate studies in humans: measurement
    and development of new equations by CJK Henry
    Public Health Nutrition: 8(7A), 1133–1152 DOI: 10.1079/PHN2005801

    interesting nitpicky there yarwell... doesn't change the discussion point though does it? Or do you think it matters if you eat below your BMR if you can get a full nutritional balance at the lower than BMR rate

    and anyway few of us have an accurate medical measured BMR, we're generally going by the estimation
  • Yi5hedr3
    Yi5hedr3 Posts: 2,696 Member
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    She's nuts! Even MFP is usually high. In your case 1600 probably about right! :)

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