any rhabdomyolysis victims?! help please!

lalainap19 wrote: »

kshama2001 wrote: »

What did the doctor who treated you for rhabdo recommend?

He didn't give me much info just whenever I feel better I can start again I'm just not sure how to start and what exercises to do to not get it again.

Last of all, don’t be an idiot. Pay attention to nutrition. Hydrate yourself accordingly and give special attention to electrolytes and protein supplementation. Also, avoid drugs, alcohol, and caffeine as these can all precipitate recurrent rhabdomyolysis. If you take statins for cholesterol control, talk with your doctor as taking statins also puts you at an increased risk for developing rhabdomyolysis. In addition to nutrition, pay attention to your environment. Avoid excessive cold or excessively hot environments and most importantly avoid activities that will lead to excessive muscle failure so you don’t end up where you once were.

queenliz99 wrote: »

Upstate_Dunadan wrote: »

queenliz99 wrote: »

thinklivebefree wrote: »

Stay away from crossfit

^^ this and listen to what your treating doctor advised.

That's just a stupid comment. CrossFit doesn't cause Rhabdo. Not having common sense, more often than not, does.

What about my comment? Common sense says she should stay away from CrossFit. If it happened once it could happen again.

kshama2001 wrote: »

Upstate_Dunadan wrote: »

queenliz99 wrote: »

Upstate_Dunadan wrote: »

queenliz99 wrote: »

thinklivebefree wrote: »

Stay away from crossfit

^^ this and listen to what your treating doctor advised.

That's just a stupid comment. CrossFit doesn't cause Rhabdo. Not having common sense, more often than not, does.

What about my comment? Common sense says she should stay away from CrossFit. If it happened once it could happen again.

I don't see anywhere Op said they got this from doing Crossfit. Did I miss that?

I'd go by what the doctors say. My point is there are plenty of other strenuous activities that can cause this, not just CF. I have no problem if the recommendation is to stay away from all strenuous activity, but if it's just to ease back into things and not push too hard too quickly, that's easily doable in CF through scaling. A good coach would be able to ease someone into the workouts. Scaling is why a 300+ pound morbidly obese person can do CrossFit.

Ya, you missed her earlier thread: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10294984/help-please-rhabdo/p1

Upstate_Dunadan wrote: »

Ya, you missed her earlier thread: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10294984/help-please-rhabdo/p1 which included this link from another poster: http://crossfitimpulse.com/rhabdo-and-crossfit/

Ahh, I see. Well what the Op said in that post is the exact thing the article warned about

Per the article -

Next, rhabdo usually strikes someone who has been away from intense exercise for a while and then jumps back in with too much volume and intensity. Someone who has been very fit in the past and has taken six months off must ramp up volume slowly as he returns to intense exercise. This type of athlete has the mind and the determination to push himself beyond his body’s capabilities—where rhabdo lives.

and per Op in the other thread -

I worked out for 1 intend hour on Tuesday evening legs only. I have not worked out in the gym for about 1 year.

I still wouldn't rule CrossFit out. That's not what caused this. Not scaling and taking it easy first time back after a year is. I would question whether the Coach new this was a first timer back in the gym and whether there was any caution to take things easy. Most CF gyms won't let you just jump into a WOD. There are fundamental classes you need to take before you get anywhere near a true WOD.

3dogsrunning wrote: »

queenliz99 wrote: »

Upstate_Dunadan wrote: »

Ya, you missed her earlier thread: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10294984/help-please-rhabdo/p1 which included this link from another poster: http://crossfitimpulse.com/rhabdo-and-crossfit/

Ahh, I see. Well what the Op said in that post is the exact thing the article warned about

Per the article -

Next, rhabdo usually strikes someone who has been away from intense exercise for a while and then jumps back in with too much volume and intensity. Someone who has been very fit in the past and has taken six months off must ramp up volume slowly as he returns to intense exercise. This type of athlete has the mind and the determination to push himself beyond his body’s capabilities—where rhabdo lives.

and per Op in the other thread -

I worked out for 1 intend hour on Tuesday evening legs only. I have not worked out in the gym for about 1 year.

I still wouldn't rule CrossFit out. That's not what caused this. Not scaling and taking it easy first time back after a year is. I would question whether the Coach new this was a first timer back in the gym and whether there was any caution to take things easy. Most CF gyms won't let you just jump into a WOD. There are fundamental classes you need to take before you get anywhere near a true WOD.

But how do you know most CF gyms won't let let you just jump in? We have 3 CF gyms open within a 1 mile radius of my home within the last year. I would say chances are your statement is sweeping.

I've done CF and I've travelled to other CF gyms in other countries. I have CF friends online. I haven't heard of it happening. Not to say it doesn't happen, but as a general rule, CF boxes have to follow the CF guidelines to be able to be "CrossFit". There are always those that will skirt or outright break the rules but I'm willing to be that it is the exception, not the rule.

FTR - the only person I've ever known to end up with Rhabdo had just finished an Ironman triathlon. You can get it from any type of sport, not just CrossFit.
If we are warning OP away from CrossFit on the basis of having come down with rhabdo, we should also warn her away from running, rowing, cross country skiing and she probably shouldn't apply for the military as it happens during basic training sometimes as well.

Wheelhouse15 wrote: »

3dogsrunning wrote: »

queenliz99 wrote: »

Upstate_Dunadan wrote: »

Ya, you missed her earlier thread: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10294984/help-please-rhabdo/p1 which included this link from another poster: http://crossfitimpulse.com/rhabdo-and-crossfit/

Ahh, I see. Well what the Op said in that post is the exact thing the article warned about

Per the article -

Next, rhabdo usually strikes someone who has been away from intense exercise for a while and then jumps back in with too much volume and intensity. Someone who has been very fit in the past and has taken six months off must ramp up volume slowly as he returns to intense exercise. This type of athlete has the mind and the determination to push himself beyond his body’s capabilities—where rhabdo lives.

and per Op in the other thread -

I worked out for 1 intend hour on Tuesday evening legs only. I have not worked out in the gym for about 1 year.

I still wouldn't rule CrossFit out. That's not what caused this. Not scaling and taking it easy first time back after a year is. I would question whether the Coach new this was a first timer back in the gym and whether there was any caution to take things easy. Most CF gyms won't let you just jump into a WOD. There are fundamental classes you need to take before you get anywhere near a true WOD.

But how do you know most CF gyms won't let let you just jump in? We have 3 CF gyms open within a 1 mile radius of my home within the last year. I would say chances are your statement is sweeping.

I've done CF and I've travelled to other CF gyms in other countries. I have CF friends online. I haven't heard of it happening. Not to say it doesn't happen, but as a general rule, CF boxes have to follow the CF guidelines to be able to be "CrossFit". There are always those that will skirt or outright break the rules but I'm willing to be that it is the exception, not the rule.

FTR - the only person I've ever known to end up with Rhabdo had just finished an Ironman triathlon. You can get it from any type of sport, not just CrossFit.
If we are warning OP away from CrossFit on the basis of having come down with rhabdo, we should also warn her away from running, rowing, cross country skiing and she probably shouldn't apply for the military as it happens during basic training sometimes as well.

Exercise induced rhabdo is extremely rare, it's normally the result of an accident, disease or drug use.

OP, out of curiosity, what was the genesis of your rhabdo? Was it a physcial injury?

3dogsrunning wrote: »

Wheelhouse15 wrote: »

3dogsrunning wrote: »

queenliz99 wrote: »

Upstate_Dunadan wrote: »

Ya, you missed her earlier thread: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10294984/help-please-rhabdo/p1 which included this link from another poster: http://crossfitimpulse.com/rhabdo-and-crossfit/

Ahh, I see. Well what the Op said in that post is the exact thing the article warned about

Per the article -

Next, rhabdo usually strikes someone who has been away from intense exercise for a while and then jumps back in with too much volume and intensity. Someone who has been very fit in the past and has taken six months off must ramp up volume slowly as he returns to intense exercise. This type of athlete has the mind and the determination to push himself beyond his body’s capabilities—where rhabdo lives.

and per Op in the other thread -

I worked out for 1 intend hour on Tuesday evening legs only. I have not worked out in the gym for about 1 year.

I still wouldn't rule CrossFit out. That's not what caused this. Not scaling and taking it easy first time back after a year is. I would question whether the Coach new this was a first timer back in the gym and whether there was any caution to take things easy. Most CF gyms won't let you just jump into a WOD. There are fundamental classes you need to take before you get anywhere near a true WOD.

But how do you know most CF gyms won't let let you just jump in? We have 3 CF gyms open within a 1 mile radius of my home within the last year. I would say chances are your statement is sweeping.

I've done CF and I've travelled to other CF gyms in other countries. I have CF friends online. I haven't heard of it happening. Not to say it doesn't happen, but as a general rule, CF boxes have to follow the CF guidelines to be able to be "CrossFit". There are always those that will skirt or outright break the rules but I'm willing to be that it is the exception, not the rule.

FTR - the only person I've ever known to end up with Rhabdo had just finished an Ironman triathlon. You can get it from any type of sport, not just CrossFit.
If we are warning OP away from CrossFit on the basis of having come down with rhabdo, we should also warn her away from running, rowing, cross country skiing and she probably shouldn't apply for the military as it happens during basic training sometimes as well.

Exercise induced rhabdo is extremely rare, it's normally the result of an accident, disease or drug use.

OP, out of curiosity, what was the genesis of your rhabdo? Was it a physcial injury?

Yes, I realize that. Which is why I was stating if we are going to avoid activity out of fear of it there are many we should avoid.
I am not sure what the risk of re-occurance is or if it is greater if you have experienced it before.

jimmmer wrote: »

Wheelhouse15 wrote: »

3dogsrunning wrote: »

Wheelhouse15 wrote: »

3dogsrunning wrote: »

queenliz99 wrote: »

Upstate_Dunadan wrote: »

Ya, you missed her earlier thread: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10294984/help-please-rhabdo/p1 which included this link from another poster: http://crossfitimpulse.com/rhabdo-and-crossfit/

Ahh, I see. Well what the Op said in that post is the exact thing the article warned about

Per the article -

Next, rhabdo usually strikes someone who has been away from intense exercise for a while and then jumps back in with too much volume and intensity. Someone who has been very fit in the past and has taken six months off must ramp up volume slowly as he returns to intense exercise. This type of athlete has the mind and the determination to push himself beyond his body’s capabilities—where rhabdo lives.

and per Op in the other thread -

I worked out for 1 intend hour on Tuesday evening legs only. I have not worked out in the gym for about 1 year.

I still wouldn't rule CrossFit out. That's not what caused this. Not scaling and taking it easy first time back after a year is. I would question whether the Coach new this was a first timer back in the gym and whether there was any caution to take things easy. Most CF gyms won't let you just jump into a WOD. There are fundamental classes you need to take before you get anywhere near a true WOD.

But how do you know most CF gyms won't let let you just jump in? We have 3 CF gyms open within a 1 mile radius of my home within the last year. I would say chances are your statement is sweeping.

I've done CF and I've travelled to other CF gyms in other countries. I have CF friends online. I haven't heard of it happening. Not to say it doesn't happen, but as a general rule, CF boxes have to follow the CF guidelines to be able to be "CrossFit". There are always those that will skirt or outright break the rules but I'm willing to be that it is the exception, not the rule.

FTR - the only person I've ever known to end up with Rhabdo had just finished an Ironman triathlon. You can get it from any type of sport, not just CrossFit.
If we are warning OP away from CrossFit on the basis of having come down with rhabdo, we should also warn her away from running, rowing, cross country skiing and she probably shouldn't apply for the military as it happens during basic training sometimes as well.

Exercise induced rhabdo is extremely rare, it's normally the result of an accident, disease or drug use.

OP, out of curiosity, what was the genesis of your rhabdo? Was it a physcial injury?

Yes, I realize that. Which is why I was stating if we are going to avoid activity out of fear of it there are many we should avoid.
I am not sure what the risk of re-occurance is or if it is greater if you have experienced it before.

I guess my post was a bit off on tone, I was agreeing with you. I don't know if there is any research on the reinjury rate since it's so rare. I would imagine all information is anectodal but probably wouldn't be too much of an increased risk.

http://missyleone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Return-Physical-Activity-after-Exertional-Rhabdomyolysis.pdf

seems to be a bit thin on the ground, mate.

Three major issues must be addressed after an athlete
recovers from ER. First, who is at risk for recurrence and
requires further evaluation? Second, for those athletes not
requiring further evaluation, when can they safely return to
sport? Finally, should any restrictions be placed upon the
athlete, and if so, for how long? To our knowledge, no
standard guidelines exist to determine return to play after an
episode of ER. Although several authors have recommended
resuming play once symptoms resolve, no consensus exists
regarding what is an acceptable CK level or what the rate of
progression should be (17-19). The authors, from a military
perspective, endorse the following return to play process
(Table). We recognize that this approach may be viewed as
overly conservative in a sports environment; however, in
caring for a large and heterogeneous population, this
approach minimizes the opportunity for missing the individual(s)
at risk for recurrent ER.
An athlete who experiences clinically relevant ER should
first be risk-stratified as either low or high risk for a
recurrence. To be considered "suspicious for high risk," at
least one of the following conditions must exist or be
present:
a. Delayed recovery (more than 1 wk) when activities
have been restricted
b. Persistent elevation of CK (greater than five times the
upper limit of the normal lab range) despite rest for at least
2 wk
c. ER complicated by acute renal injury of any degree
d. Personal or family history of ER
e. Personal or family history of recurrent muscle cramps
or severe muscle pain that interferes with activities of daily
living or sports performance
f. Personal or family history of malignant hyperthermia,
or family history of unexplained complications or death
following general anesthesia
g. Personal or family history of sickle cell disease or trait
h. Muscle injury after low to moderate work or activity
i. Personal history of significant heat injury (heat stroke)
j. Serum CK peak ~ 100,000 UL -1.

jimmmer wrote: »

Wheelhouse15 wrote: »

jimmmer wrote: »

Wheelhouse15 wrote: »

3dogsrunning wrote: »

Wheelhouse15 wrote: »

3dogsrunning wrote: »

queenliz99 wrote: »

Upstate_Dunadan wrote: »

Ya, you missed her earlier thread: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10294984/help-please-rhabdo/p1 which included this link from another poster: http://crossfitimpulse.com/rhabdo-and-crossfit/

Ahh, I see. Well what the Op said in that post is the exact thing the article warned about

Per the article -

Next, rhabdo usually strikes someone who has been away from intense exercise for a while and then jumps back in with too much volume and intensity. Someone who has been very fit in the past and has taken six months off must ramp up volume slowly as he returns to intense exercise. This type of athlete has the mind and the determination to push himself beyond his body’s capabilities—where rhabdo lives.

and per Op in the other thread -

I worked out for 1 intend hour on Tuesday evening legs only. I have not worked out in the gym for about 1 year.

I still wouldn't rule CrossFit out. That's not what caused this. Not scaling and taking it easy first time back after a year is. I would question whether the Coach new this was a first timer back in the gym and whether there was any caution to take things easy. Most CF gyms won't let you just jump into a WOD. There are fundamental classes you need to take before you get anywhere near a true WOD.

But how do you know most CF gyms won't let let you just jump in? We have 3 CF gyms open within a 1 mile radius of my home within the last year. I would say chances are your statement is sweeping.

I've done CF and I've travelled to other CF gyms in other countries. I have CF friends online. I haven't heard of it happening. Not to say it doesn't happen, but as a general rule, CF boxes have to follow the CF guidelines to be able to be "CrossFit". There are always those that will skirt or outright break the rules but I'm willing to be that it is the exception, not the rule.

FTR - the only person I've ever known to end up with Rhabdo had just finished an Ironman triathlon. You can get it from any type of sport, not just CrossFit.
If we are warning OP away from CrossFit on the basis of having come down with rhabdo, we should also warn her away from running, rowing, cross country skiing and she probably shouldn't apply for the military as it happens during basic training sometimes as well.

Exercise induced rhabdo is extremely rare, it's normally the result of an accident, disease or drug use.

OP, out of curiosity, what was the genesis of your rhabdo? Was it a physcial injury?

Yes, I realize that. Which is why I was stating if we are going to avoid activity out of fear of it there are many we should avoid.
I am not sure what the risk of re-occurance is or if it is greater if you have experienced it before.

I guess my post was a bit off on tone, I was agreeing with you. I don't know if there is any research on the reinjury rate since it's so rare. I would imagine all information is anectodal but probably wouldn't be too much of an increased risk.

http://missyleone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Return-Physical-Activity-after-Exertional-Rhabdomyolysis.pdf

seems to be a bit thin on the ground, mate.

Three major issues must be addressed after an athlete
recovers from ER. First, who is at risk for recurrence and
requires further evaluation? Second, for those athletes not
requiring further evaluation, when can they safely return to
sport? Finally, should any restrictions be placed upon the
athlete, and if so, for how long? To our knowledge, no
standard guidelines exist to determine return to play after an
episode of ER. Although several authors have recommended
resuming play once symptoms resolve, no consensus exists
regarding what is an acceptable CK level or what the rate of
progression should be (17-19). The authors, from a military
perspective, endorse the following return to play process
(Table). We recognize that this approach may be viewed as
overly conservative in a sports environment; however, in
caring for a large and heterogeneous population, this
approach minimizes the opportunity for missing the individual(s)
at risk for recurrent ER.
An athlete who experiences clinically relevant ER should
first be risk-stratified as either low or high risk for a
recurrence. To be considered "suspicious for high risk," at
least one of the following conditions must exist or be
present:
a. Delayed recovery (more than 1 wk) when activities
have been restricted
b. Persistent elevation of CK (greater than five times the
upper limit of the normal lab range) despite rest for at least
2 wk
c. ER complicated by acute renal injury of any degree
d. Personal or family history of ER
e. Personal or family history of recurrent muscle cramps
or severe muscle pain that interferes with activities of daily
living or sports performance
f. Personal or family history of malignant hyperthermia,
or family history of unexplained complications or death
following general anesthesia
g. Personal or family history of sickle cell disease or trait
h. Muscle injury after low to moderate work or activity
i. Personal history of significant heat injury (heat stroke)
j. Serum CK peak ~ 100,000 UL -1.

Thanks for the link. I'm not sure who would have a family history of ER!

Since they indicate that it's related to genetic stuff like sickle cell trait, family history of hyperthermia, family history of muscle cramps... I guess, it stands to reason that families that have those, probably have a history of ER if they are active as well?

lalainap19 wrote: »

Wheelhouse15 wrote: »

3dogsrunning wrote: »

queenliz99 wrote: »

Upstate_Dunadan wrote: »

Ya, you missed her earlier thread: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10294984/help-please-rhabdo/p1 which included this link from another poster: http://crossfitimpulse.com/rhabdo-and-crossfit/

Ahh, I see. Well what the Op said in that post is the exact thing the article warned about

Per the article -

Next, rhabdo usually strikes someone who has been away from intense exercise for a while and then jumps back in with too much volume and intensity. Someone who has been very fit in the past and has taken six months off must ramp up volume slowly as he returns to intense exercise. This type of athlete has the mind and the determination to push himself beyond his body’s capabilities—where rhabdo lives.

and per Op in the other thread -

I worked out for 1 intend hour on Tuesday evening legs only. I have not worked out in the gym for about 1 year.

I still wouldn't rule CrossFit out. That's not what caused this. Not scaling and taking it easy first time back after a year is. I would question whether the Coach new this was a first timer back in the gym and whether there was any caution to take things easy. Most CF gyms won't let you just jump into a WOD. There are fundamental classes you need to take before you get anywhere near a true WOD.

But how do you know most CF gyms won't let let you just jump in? We have 3 CF gyms open within a 1 mile radius of my home within the last year. I would say chances are your statement is sweeping.

I've done CF and I've travelled to other CF gyms in other countries. I have CF friends online. I haven't heard of it happening. Not to say it doesn't happen, but as a general rule, CF boxes have to follow the CF guidelines to be able to be "CrossFit". There are always those that will skirt or outright break the rules but I'm willing to be that it is the exception, not the rule.

FTR - the only person I've ever known to end up with Rhabdo had just finished an Ironman triathlon. You can get it from any type of sport, not just CrossFit.
If we are warning OP away from CrossFit on the basis of having come down with rhabdo, we should also warn her away from running, rowing, cross country skiing and she probably shouldn't apply for the military as it happens during basic training sometimes as well.

Exercise induced rhabdo is extremely rare, it's normally the result of an accident, disease or drug use.

OP, out of curiosity, what was the genesis of your rhabdo? Was it a physcial injury?

I went to the gym with my friend and did not work out all year it was my first time and we did leg day, I was dumb did not think did not stretch pushed myself to not look weak in front of my friend and on top of that I fasted so it was a combination of them all, I got exercise induced rhabdo in my quads worst pain and cramps ever, I got this last November and I've been preparing myself to get back in the gym and stretch and not over do it. Cross fit does not cause rhabdo pushing yourself too hard causes rhabdo idk why people are saying I was doing cross fit, I read about a man who did 100 push ups and got it, its rare but it can happen for many reasons.

JoRocka wrote: »

OMG- if you're doctor didn't give you enough information- go find another effing doctor- not a forum full of keyboard jockeys.