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      Why assume I follow a "S.A.D."?

      If you are eating cereal grains or other grains, sugar in any amount, dairy, etc that is the Standard American Diet.
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      I really should try even more fat but 90% of the meat I eat is chicken breast so it is max 2g fat. I do have some salmon in my freezer, I should get on that. With nuts and such they always seem to be = or almost w/ carbs so it's kind of an in/out food or a no-no entirely if you are avoiding most carbs.

      I have coconut milk, low fat of course so perhaps I should switch that out and try some of it in my cereal. Any idea how long I can keep this in the fridge after opening a can?

      I've moved back to 1% milk from skim so that's also a nice little baby step.

      I am not sure about the canned coconut milk. I buy mine in a half gallon carton in the dairy section of the store. Sooo Delicious is the name brand and it is Sooooooo Delicious!!
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      So please inform me, whom do you follow? And if this was such a science, why is there such disagreement in the Paleo camp?

      I'll throw something absolutely ridiculous out there... I don't blindly follow any Paleo source. Sure, I read them, but maybe like you, I agree that blindly following a single source without understanding or researching opposing viewpoints is not a good idea. However, my God, does Mark's Daily Apple put out some fantastic recipes...

      I eat a lowered carbohydrate diet. I don't eat gluten. I lift heavy things up and put them down. I do intervals and sprints here and there. Sometimes I even get crazy and go outside and run 5 miles.

      I eat rice and potatoes when I need to carb up.

      Not really following any fads there. Unless avoiding junk and processed starches is a fad. Then, oops, guilty.
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      I see you also are trying gluten free eating...? Just my two cents, but I'm guessing your diet is not drastically different from many here unless you're carbo-loading on gluten free grains.

      No, no I am not. As a matter of fact, I had a PB&J yesterday on nice, fluffy whole-grain bread.
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      I'm going to be nice and balanced in my response, although you basically just called me out as a whackjob who hasn't put forth the slightest bit of effort into understanding anything regarding evolution and diet.

      Opposing views...good reading but does not equate to "God's Honest to Goodness Truth, the end all be all viewpoint" - addresses the grain issue, leaves me skeptical on the consumption of animal protein sources considering a number of the "sources cited" point back to Vegsource links. Gotta love that unintentional Wiki bias, right?

      And on another thing - no one is truly eating a Paleolithic diet here. There are elements of Neolithic foods to some degree. I'm not a full opponent of eating grains, but avoid gluten-containing grains. And honestly is a gluten-containing grain a necessity in one's diet? No. If you want to go stomp out a forum, how bout heading over to one advocating the daily consumption of Ho-ho's... (like, in moderation, of course!)

      My thoughts, exactly.
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      I'll throw something absolutely ridiculous out there... I don't blindly follow any Paleo source. Sure, I read them, but maybe like you, I agree that blindly following a single source without understanding or researching opposing viewpoints is not a good idea. However, my God, does Mark's Daily Apple put out some fantastic recipes...

      I eat a lowered carbohydrate diet. I don't eat gluten. I lift heavy things up and put them down. I do intervals and sprints here and there. Sometimes I even get crazy and go outside and run 5 miles.

      I eat rice and potatoes when I need to carb up.

      Not really following any fads there. Unless avoiding junk and processed starches is a fad. Then, oops, guilty.

      Then why align yourself under the Paleo camp?
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      Then why align yourself under the Paleo camp?

      They're (for the most part) also eating a lower carbohydrate lifestyle and they encourage women to lift heavy. There are a lot of striking similarities between low carb and Paleo eating, save for maybe the exclusion of grains in the Paleo diet. Agree with it or not, it's a good support group for low carbers.

      I also have a boyfriend who is lactose intolerant. I think I mentioned it before - paleo communities are a wonderful source of recipes for me.

      Not sure if I'm defending the Paleo diet, per se, but I will valiantly defend my consumption of animal products.
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      No, no I am not. As a matter of fact, I had a PB&J yesterday on nice, fluffy whole-grain bread.

      What type of whole grain bread??? Most breads are made with gluten containing grains.
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      I feel good - mentally, emotionally, and physically... isn't that enough "evidence" for ME? Indeed, it is.
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      I feel good - mentally, emotionally, and physically... isn't that enough "evidence" for ME? Indeed, it is.

      That is all that matters.
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      Then why align yourself under the Paleo camp?

      Why the hostility towards the Paleo camp?
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      Why the hostility towards the Paleo camp?

      It must be our keto breath. :laugh:
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      It must be our keto breath. :laugh:

      You guys crack me up..........
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      thanks for the info, have been considering the lifestyle but still unsure if it's the right one for me
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      :laugh: keto breathe :laugh:

      Wheelie - all I can say is - give it a good old try for least 2 weeks preferably 3 weeks. See how your body reacts. If it is right for you, you will know by the signs your body gives you.

      There is even a Whole 30 challenge (google it) that gives indepth explainations.

      You are welcome to join us in the Paleo group here - http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/232749-palelo-support-group?page=15#posts-3227986 and also on No Grain No Pain group here - http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/226494-no-grain-no-pain?page=20#posts-3227957

      And also read more on Mark's Daily Apple (google it) ... :happy:
    • Posts: 2,783 Member
      I'm new to Primal. I just started a little over a week ago. I lost about 10lbs by calorie restriction (about 7 of those were from calorie restriction. Upping my calories let me eat more and I still lost more weight.) My carbs were already about 140-150 and I had to make sure I got my fruits and veggies so the grains and starches are the ones that were mostly cut out.

      I spent so much time enforcing the "carbs are your body's primary source of energy. We need carbs" thing - especially on MFP. But I still had questions. "What if we take away those carbs? The body will want to burn protein from muscles. But what if we are getting enough protein?...???? That's where it stopped - It didn't make sense that the body will start burning fat...until I started researching low carb and came across Marks Daily Apple. I started reading and it was like the flood gates opened in my head and all my questions and confusion cleared up. He answered my questions.

      I started it off with a 26 hour fast and dropped back down to my lowest weight at 120.4 (all my fluctuations makes it stay above my true weight). I had a little light-headedness but not the shakes I got 2 hours after a high carb breakfast. NO SHAKES AT ALL! By the end of the first week I had broke 120. I am now 119.2!! MY FLUCTUATIONS ARE COMPLETELY GONE.

      My tummy is the smallest it has been. Having IBS I had to deal with all kinds of bloating, gas, cramping, constipation, etc. I also have a hiatal hernia. I don't feel that anymore. That spot is soft now and not bubbly or gurgly or painful like it used to be. And this is after only 11 days (and this past weekend I had to eat something that were starches and carbs - I had no choice at the time).

      I'm still having trouble getting enough calories but am still new and still have to get to the grocery store. But I am loving it!!!

      My calories are increasing on a daily basis. 3 weeks primal and my scale read 115.8 this morning. Now I have to up the calories again to try an maintain - I'm dropping fat like crazy!
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      Welcome Hpsnickers1 to the Primal family! Glad to have you! I've been applying the principles to my family about 1,5-2m it gets easier and does wonders for your life all around!
      Lost 10lbs in one week? WOW amazing!

      I just saw this. No 10lb in a week. I lost 10lbs since November. But the number kept going up and down and was stuck at 120.4. The first week I dropped under 120. (Of course now I'm 3 weeks in have dropped about 4lb)
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      Why the hostility towards the Paleo camp?

      Why the **** is it a "camp" in the first place? It's a nutrition lifestyle, and like any other it has its pros, cons, supporters, and detractors. Sheesh, get off the high horse already, JN.
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      Why the **** is it a "camp" in the first place? It's a nutrition lifestyle, and like any other it has its pros, cons, supporters, and detractors. Sheesh, get off the high horse already, JN.

      The same reason Vegetarians and Vegans have one ...
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      This is interesting. It helps clear acne? How so? I always thought high protein diets created inflammation in the body. What about lean muscle tissue? You know when folks are on a low fat diet they have a tendency to lose lean muscle mass. Because this 'lifestyle' change is high in protein I am assuming that this won't happen.
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      This is interesting. It helps clear acne? How so? I always thought high protein diets created inflammation in the body. What about lean muscle tissue? You know when folks are on a low fat diet they have a tendency to lose lean muscle mass. Because this 'lifestyle' change is high in protein I am assuming that this won't happen.

      Quite the opposite, high carb, especially processed carbs, creates inflammation in the body.
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      Why the **** is it a "camp" in the first place? It's a nutrition lifestyle, and like any other it has its pros, cons, supporters, and detractors. Sheesh, get off the high horse already, JN.



      Not sure who this was directed too, but since my quote is the last I have to assume it’s me. And since you are a young pup I will assume you just don’t understand the use of the word camp. So in the spirit of honest concern for your lack of education I will educate you.

      Camp; (1) : a group of persons; especially : a group engaged in promoting or defending a theory, doctrine, position, or person (2) : an ideological position

      And as for high horse, if you read back thru this thread you will see our “camp” didn’t start the arguments, we never do, but you will find we are not shy about defending our camp. Have a nice day “superman”,,,, speaking of high horse. :wink:
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      Not sure who this was directed too, but since my quote is the last I have to assume it’s me. And since you are a young pup I will assume you just don’t understand the use of the word camp. So in the spirit of honest concern for your lack of education I will educate you.

      Camp; (1) : a group of persons; especially : a group engaged in promoting or defending a theory, doctrine, position, or person (2) : an ideological position

      And as for high horse, if you read back thru this thread you will see our “camp” didn’t start the arguments, we never do, but you will find we are not shy about defending our camp. Have a nice day “superman”,,,, speaking of high horse. :wink:

      Wasn't directed at you, and you completely misread me because you thought it was, but thanks for the completely unnecessary ridicule all the same.
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      He's baaaaack
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      Please respond with kindness :) How healthy is this diet? Especially if you don't usually eat a ton of meat.
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      Wasn't directed at you, and you completely misread me because you thought it was, but thanks for the completely unnecessary ridicule all the same.

      My apologies. In the future you can delete quotes and keep the ones you want by deleting everything but the starting [quote.] and ending [/quote.] it helps avoid confusion as to who you are addressing. Again apologies for the misunderstanding.
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      Please respond with kindness :) How healthy is this diet? Especially if you don't usually eat a ton of meat.

      it is very healthy, and you don't have to eat a ton of meat on this either. The health benifits come from eating clean foods, and cutting out all the processed crap.
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      Hi. I am so glad I stumbled across this topic. I have recently started a primal lifestyle; went cold turkey on the do not eat list; changed over to the HIIT and 30 minute workout DVDs and put the rest away, getting out more, and moving further. Lifting heavy things suits me. I just wanted to say Thank you. I don't get all the hostility. I thought this was supposed to be judgment free. If they want to be catty and negative, there is always WW.
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