Macros v.s. Calories?

For weight loss/maintenance, calories are more important.

For satiety/fitness goals/maintaining muscle, macros and calories are equally important. Remember that all the four macros contain calories (carbs and proteins = 4kcal/g, alcohol = 7kcal/g, fat = 9kcal/g).

Drop your carbs to under 100 grams/day. All be fine!

feisty_bucket wrote: »

Meal timing/frequency doesn't matter. Overall calories matter. Time your meals out however works for you.

Counting calories is most important and calories are what matter for weight loss.

You may find that it's helpful or beneficial to adjust your macros, though, depending on what they are. There are a huge range of healthy macros, but if you log for a while and see that yours look way off of what MFP suggests (especially if protein is way low), you may want to consider increasing it. Also, if you find you are having trouble with hunger or cravings, changing your macros can sometimes help.

For nutrition I think macros are often overemphasized and thinking in terms of a healthy, balanced diet with enough of the things you need -- enough protein, enough vegetables, enough fiber, enough variety, a good mix of healthy fats and whole grains or whole-food starches, plus whatever else you like matters more than the specific macros, but thinking in terms of macros (I'll have protein, carbs, and fat at every meal) can provide structure that makes this easier at first.

seska422 wrote: »

Meal timing/frequency doesn't matter. Overall calories matter. Time your meals out however works for you.

Meal timing/frequency may not matter for you (it doesn't matter for me), but it is critical for my mother if she intends to stick to a calorie limit. Different people have different emotional/body driven needs that, when met, make it possible to stick to calorie limits. Those other factors are not as important as actually sticking to the limit - but if you are emotionally or physically incapable of controlling your cravings/urges to eat if your meals are delayed (or whatever your thing is) you may not be able to stick to the limit. That's why frequency/timing are near the top of the pyramid (less important), rather than absent (not important at all).

abatonfan wrote: »

For weight loss/maintenance, calories are more important.

For satiety/fitness goals/maintaining muscle, macros and calories are equally important. Remember that all the four macros contain calories (carbs and proteins = 4kcal/g, alcohol = 7kcal/g, fat = 9kcal/g).

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glassyo wrote: »

abatonfan wrote: »

For weight loss/maintenance, calories are more important.

For satiety/fitness goals/maintaining muscle, macros and calories are equally important. Remember that all the four macros contain calories (carbs and proteins = 4kcal/g, alcohol = 7kcal/g, fat = 9kcal/g).

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around alcohol being a macro.

It's a weird grey area. Alcohol is *technically* a macronutrient because it provides calories, but is different from fats, carbohydrates and protein because your body doesn't need alcohol the way it needs fats, proteins and carbohydrates.

punkrockgoth wrote: »

glassyo wrote: »

abatonfan wrote: »

For weight loss/maintenance, calories are more important.

For satiety/fitness goals/maintaining muscle, macros and calories are equally important. Remember that all the four macros contain calories (carbs and proteins = 4kcal/g, alcohol = 7kcal/g, fat = 9kcal/g).

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around alcohol being a macro.

It's a weird grey area. Alcohol is *technically* a macronutrient because it provides calories, but is different from fats, carbohydrates and protein because your body doesn't need alcohol the way it needs fats, proteins and carbohydrates.

Technically we don't need carbs to survive either protein and fat will store as glycogen and be used as energy.

Should a Runner Drink Alcohol? Evaluating the research on the Health, Training and Performance Effects
Written by Emily Brown - Get free updates here

Alcohol is widely consumed by a large part of the world’s population, and the literature on the topic shows that alcohol is also consumed by a significant number of athletes ranging across all sports.
In endurance sports, alcohol is a very common component of post-event celebrations as evidenced by post-race beer tents, free drink vouchers on bib numbers, or casual meetings at a local bar or restaurant following an event.
I’ve been in the sport for awhile and I know a great deal of runners, myself included, who enjoy their beer or wine after a hard effort out on the roads or on the track. It signifies a reward for all of the training you’ve done or how well you raced and is also an opportunity to socialize with other runners off the race course.
As common as alcohol consumption is, there is little research and education out there on how alcohol may affect endurance performance and recovery.
While there are some health benefits that may be associated with moderate alcohol consumption, there are other factors related to alcohol that runners should keep in mind the next time they reach for a cold one.
The nutritive value of alcohol
Alcohol is not an essential part of the diet, however, at seven calories per gram, its energy contribution is significant, but not in the beneficial way that carbohydrates, protein and fat energy is utilized.
Alcohol is metabolized in the body as fat. The by-products of alcohol metabolism are converted to fatty acids, which are stored in the liver and sent to the bloodstream. The more alcohol you drink, the more you raise the level of lipids in your blood, which is a risk factor for heart disease (discussed later).
A significant factor for runners who drink alcohol moderately or regularly is the caloric content of alcohol:
12 oz. of beer (~150 calories)
4 oz. of wine (~100 calories)
1.25 oz. of liquor (~100 calories)
Mixing liquor with sugar sweetened beverages and other types of mixers add significantly to the caloric content of the drink.
The nutritional effects of drinking alcohol
Alcohol inhibits the normal metabolism of vitamins, minerals, and the main energy substrates.
It does this by acting as an “anti-nutrient” — inhibiting the conversion of B vitamins to their active co-enzymes involved in generating energy from carbohydrates, protein and fat.
Furthermore, alcohol can irritate the gastrointestinal tract and cause the malabsorption of nutrients, which may cause a cycle of deficiency with regular consumption unless additional nutrients are consumed concurrently because in order to repair damage and counteract the malabsorption, the nutrient requirements increase.
Lastly, alcohol consumption can impair liver function and thus interfere with the normal metabolism and storage of nutrients.
Mineral depletion is also a concern. Alcohol is a diuretic that increases the urinary excretion of calcium and magnesium. We already know that calcium is essential for maintain adequate bone health and preventing stress fractures and osteoporosis.
Magnesium is important because it is a co-factor for many of the enzymes involved in transferring phosphate groups to produce ATP (energy). Increased magnesium excretion in sweat can result in an increase in muscle cramps, weakness, and cardiac arrhythmias (note this is usual only an issue in those who regularly overconsume alcohol).
Alcohol and cardiovascular health
Benefits of alcohol consumption on cardiovascular health
A great deal of observational studies suggest that total mortality, or risk of death, may be reduced in individuals who consume one or two alcoholic drinks per day.
Choices may include red wine and dark beer that contain certain antioxidants called polyphenols, which are thought to be protective against cancer.
Moderate amounts of alcohol can also raise HDL cholesterol, which is the good cholesterol that helps protect against heart disease.
Furthermore, alcohol may influence have an influence on activating the anti-thrombotic mechanism, which reduces the development of dangerous blood clots.
The Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommends no more than one drink per day for women and two drinks for men to reap the health benefits of alcohol without risking the negative health effects associated with heavier drinking.
In fact, alcohol’s association with mortality exists on a J-shaped curve, meaning that mortality increases along the consumption of 3 or more drinks per day.
Harmful effects of alcohol consumption on cardiovascular health
Too much alcohol consumed regularly can increase your risk of heart disease by raising your blood pressure and blood lipids to harmful levels.
It can also increase risk of stroke, liver damage, and cancers of the mouth, esophagus, stomach, liver, breast and colon.
Effect of alcohol on recovery
Consuming alcohol too soon after a hard training session or race can impede your recovery because it can contribute to and exacerbate dehydration, interfere with glycogen synthesis, and impair healing.
As mentioned earlier, alcohol is a diuretic, so it causes your body to lose more fluid than it takes in when drinking it without adequate non-alcoholic fluids. The resulting dehydration can leave you feeling tired, sick, and sore the next day.
Alcohol may also interfere with glycogen synthesis, since alcohol’s effect on the liver dramatically inhibits the resynthesis of glycogen stores and may also impair muscle glycogen storage.
Some research has shown that it takes nearly twice as long to replace glycogen stores in athletes who have consumed alcoholcompared to those who have not.

However, this may also be due to the displacement of carbohydrate intake in favor of alcohol intake. Contrary to popular belief, beer and wine are not significant sources of carbohydrates and contribute very little to carbohydrate reloading following exercise.
Injury repair
Finally alcohol may impair healing from muscle soreness or acute injury. This is because alcohol is a blood vessel dilator.
With injury or soreness and athlete will usually ice the affected area to constrict the blood vessels and reduce swelling and/or bleeding.
Alcohol does the opposite of this, which impairs healing and increases the amount of time an injury may take to heal.
Performance issues for athletes who drink alcohol
The following is a chart summarizing the findings:
Effect Consequence
Increased risk of hypoglycemia In prolonged exercise, hypoglycemia is more likely because alcohol suppresses liver gluconeogenesis
Increased heat loss Hypoglycemia results in impairment of temperature regulation, particularly in cold environments
Reduced performance in middle- and long-distance running As alcohol intake increases, performance deficits are seen in middle- and long-distance events
Reduced vertical jump height and sprint performance A 6 percent reduction in vertical jump height and a 10 percent reduction in 80 m sprint performance
Adverse effect on concentration Central nervous system effect
Adverse effect on visual perception Central nervous system effect
Adverse effect on reaction time Central nervous system effect
Adverse effect on coordination Central nervous system effect
Increased risk of dehydration Alcohol has a diuretic effect
Poor post-exercise glycogen recovery Alcohol impairs carbohydrate status of the liver and may also impair muscle glycogen storage
Poor post-exercise recovery Alcohol impairs the repair of injured tissues
In summary
Alcohol is widely consumed by a large number of athletes just as it is in the general population.
Although athletes have special concerns regarding alcohol, including its effect on recovery from exercise and injury, moderate alcohol consumption (1-2) will have a less negative effect than heavier drinking (three or more).
If you choose to drink alcohol, take special care to meet your recovery needs with adequate carbohydrates and fluids first as early as possible, and, as always, drink responsibly and plan for a safe ride home.
References
Shirreffs SM, Maughan RJ. The effect of alcohol on athletic performance. Curr Sprt Med Rep 2006, 5:192-196.
Burke LM, Collier GR, Broad EM, et al. Effect of alcohol intake on muscle glycogen storage after prolonged exercise. J Apple Physiol 2003, 95:983-990.
Clarkson PM, Reichsman F. The effect of ethanol on exercise-induced muscle damage. J Stud Alcohol 1990, 51:19-23.
Benardot, Dan. Advanced Sports Nutrition, 2nd ed. Human Kinetics, 2012.

Michael190lbs wrote: »

punkrockgoth wrote: »

glassyo wrote: »

abatonfan wrote: »

For weight loss/maintenance, calories are more important.

For satiety/fitness goals/maintaining muscle, macros and calories are equally important. Remember that all the four macros contain calories (carbs and proteins = 4kcal/g, alcohol = 7kcal/g, fat = 9kcal/g).

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around alcohol being a macro.

It's a weird grey area. Alcohol is *technically* a macronutrient because it provides calories, but is different from fats, carbohydrates and protein because your body doesn't need alcohol the way it needs fats, proteins and carbohydrates.

Technically we don't need carbs to survive either protein and fat will store as glycogen and be used as energy.

Should a Runner Drink Alcohol? Evaluating the research on the Health, Training and Performance Effects
Written by Emily Brown - Get free updates here

Alcohol is widely consumed by a large part of the world’s population, and the literature on the topic shows that alcohol is also consumed by a significant number of athletes ranging across all sports.
In endurance sports, alcohol is a very common component of post-event celebrations as evidenced by post-race beer tents, free drink vouchers on bib numbers, or casual meetings at a local bar or restaurant following an event.
I’ve been in the sport for awhile and I know a great deal of runners, myself included, who enjoy their beer or wine after a hard effort out on the roads or on the track. It signifies a reward for all of the training you’ve done or how well you raced and is also an opportunity to socialize with other runners off the race course.
As common as alcohol consumption is, there is little research and education out there on how alcohol may affect endurance performance and recovery.
While there are some health benefits that may be associated with moderate alcohol consumption, there are other factors related to alcohol that runners should keep in mind the next time they reach for a cold one.
The nutritive value of alcohol
Alcohol is not an essential part of the diet, however, at seven calories per gram, its energy contribution is significant, but not in the beneficial way that carbohydrates, protein and fat energy is utilized.
Alcohol is metabolized in the body as fat. The by-products of alcohol metabolism are converted to fatty acids, which are stored in the liver and sent to the bloodstream. The more alcohol you drink, the more you raise the level of lipids in your blood, which is a risk factor for heart disease (discussed later).
A significant factor for runners who drink alcohol moderately or regularly is the caloric content of alcohol:
12 oz. of beer (~150 calories)
4 oz. of wine (~100 calories)
1.25 oz. of liquor (~100 calories)
Mixing liquor with sugar sweetened beverages and other types of mixers add significantly to the caloric content of the drink.
The nutritional effects of drinking alcohol
Alcohol inhibits the normal metabolism of vitamins, minerals, and the main energy substrates.
It does this by acting as an “anti-nutrient” — inhibiting the conversion of B vitamins to their active co-enzymes involved in generating energy from carbohydrates, protein and fat.
Furthermore, alcohol can irritate the gastrointestinal tract and cause the malabsorption of nutrients, which may cause a cycle of deficiency with regular consumption unless additional nutrients are consumed concurrently because in order to repair damage and counteract the malabsorption, the nutrient requirements increase.
Lastly, alcohol consumption can impair liver function and thus interfere with the normal metabolism and storage of nutrients.
Mineral depletion is also a concern. Alcohol is a diuretic that increases the urinary excretion of calcium and magnesium. We already know that calcium is essential for maintain adequate bone health and preventing stress fractures and osteoporosis.
Magnesium is important because it is a co-factor for many of the enzymes involved in transferring phosphate groups to produce ATP (energy). Increased magnesium excretion in sweat can result in an increase in muscle cramps, weakness, and cardiac arrhythmias (note this is usual only an issue in those who regularly overconsume alcohol).
Alcohol and cardiovascular health
Benefits of alcohol consumption on cardiovascular health
A great deal of observational studies suggest that total mortality, or risk of death, may be reduced in individuals who consume one or two alcoholic drinks per day.
Choices may include red wine and dark beer that contain certain antioxidants called polyphenols, which are thought to be protective against cancer.
Moderate amounts of alcohol can also raise HDL cholesterol, which is the good cholesterol that helps protect against heart disease.
Furthermore, alcohol may influence have an influence on activating the anti-thrombotic mechanism, which reduces the development of dangerous blood clots.
The Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommends no more than one drink per day for women and two drinks for men to reap the health benefits of alcohol without risking the negative health effects associated with heavier drinking.
In fact, alcohol’s association with mortality exists on a J-shaped curve, meaning that mortality increases along the consumption of 3 or more drinks per day.
Harmful effects of alcohol consumption on cardiovascular health
Too much alcohol consumed regularly can increase your risk of heart disease by raising your blood pressure and blood lipids to harmful levels.
It can also increase risk of stroke, liver damage, and cancers of the mouth, esophagus, stomach, liver, breast and colon.
Effect of alcohol on recovery
Consuming alcohol too soon after a hard training session or race can impede your recovery because it can contribute to and exacerbate dehydration, interfere with glycogen synthesis, and impair healing.
As mentioned earlier, alcohol is a diuretic, so it causes your body to lose more fluid than it takes in when drinking it without adequate non-alcoholic fluids. The resulting dehydration can leave you feeling tired, sick, and sore the next day.
Alcohol may also interfere with glycogen synthesis, since alcohol’s effect on the liver dramatically inhibits the resynthesis of glycogen stores and may also impair muscle glycogen storage.
Some research has shown that it takes nearly twice as long to replace glycogen stores in athletes who have consumed alcoholcompared to those who have not.

However, this may also be due to the displacement of carbohydrate intake in favor of alcohol intake. Contrary to popular belief, beer and wine are not significant sources of carbohydrates and contribute very little to carbohydrate reloading following exercise.
Injury repair
Finally alcohol may impair healing from muscle soreness or acute injury. This is because alcohol is a blood vessel dilator.
With injury or soreness and athlete will usually ice the affected area to constrict the blood vessels and reduce swelling and/or bleeding.
Alcohol does the opposite of this, which impairs healing and increases the amount of time an injury may take to heal.
Performance issues for athletes who drink alcohol
The following is a chart summarizing the findings:
Effect Consequence
Increased risk of hypoglycemia In prolonged exercise, hypoglycemia is more likely because alcohol suppresses liver gluconeogenesis
Increased heat loss Hypoglycemia results in impairment of temperature regulation, particularly in cold environments
Reduced performance in middle- and long-distance running As alcohol intake increases, performance deficits are seen in middle- and long-distance events
Reduced vertical jump height and sprint performance A 6 percent reduction in vertical jump height and a 10 percent reduction in 80 m sprint performance
Adverse effect on concentration Central nervous system effect
Adverse effect on visual perception Central nervous system effect
Adverse effect on reaction time Central nervous system effect
Adverse effect on coordination Central nervous system effect
Increased risk of dehydration Alcohol has a diuretic effect
Poor post-exercise glycogen recovery Alcohol impairs carbohydrate status of the liver and may also impair muscle glycogen storage
Poor post-exercise recovery Alcohol impairs the repair of injured tissues
In summary
Alcohol is widely consumed by a large number of athletes just as it is in the general population.
Although athletes have special concerns regarding alcohol, including its effect on recovery from exercise and injury, moderate alcohol consumption (1-2) will have a less negative effect than heavier drinking (three or more).
If you choose to drink alcohol, take special care to meet your recovery needs with adequate carbohydrates and fluids first as early as possible, and, as always, drink responsibly and plan for a safe ride home.
References
Shirreffs SM, Maughan RJ. The effect of alcohol on athletic performance. Curr Sprt Med Rep 2006, 5:192-196.
Burke LM, Collier GR, Broad EM, et al. Effect of alcohol intake on muscle glycogen storage after prolonged exercise. J Apple Physiol 2003, 95:983-990.
Clarkson PM, Reichsman F. The effect of ethanol on exercise-induced muscle damage. J Stud Alcohol 1990, 51:19-23.
Benardot, Dan. Advanced Sports Nutrition, 2nd ed. Human Kinetics, 2012.

STOP FEEDING PEOPLE *kitten* LIES! YOU NEED CARBS TO SURVIVE AND GIVE US ENERGY. EVERY SIGLE CELL IN OUR BODIES RUN OFF OF GLUCOSE. PUSING YOUR BODY WITHOUT CARBS MAKES IT GO INTO ILL STATE AND WILL ELIMINATE YOUR ENERGY AND MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE *kitten*. STOP FEEDING PEOPLE *kitten* LIES THAT CARBS ARE BAD AND THAT YOU CAN SURVIVE WITHOUT THEM.

I think they're both really important. Calories for weight loss and macros for your health. I like to keep track specifically of my sodium intake because heart problems and high blood pressure run in my family.

GDX65 wrote: »

Hornsby wrote: »

GDX65 wrote: »

Hi, found this thread as I was looking for the word "sugar". Why My Fitness Pal counts Sugar as a macronutrient after one has configured the Goals. You see it under Nutrients section.

Sugar, as all refined carbs should be ZERO! Sugar down not belong to the human body as all refined carbs. Sugar we brought to Europe from Asia few centuries ago(I think 510BC, just google it)....before they used plant derived sweeteners and honey. Stevia in South America.
For example, I used to drink my espressos (many of them during the day) with sugar. I switched to stevia (hard to find pure and organic) for a while (you get used to it) then I just stopped and drink it black. Now is fine. It is just a matter of reprogramming the brain from unconsciously induced bad diet due to modern lifestyle, since our childhood.

Regarding macro count and calories just "do not drink your calories". Try to take calories from the main macros and eat good carbs you will have much less cravings as well. Learn to drink still water only (no bubbles). I drink wine now and then and it goes into my macro count.

OP should disregard this post for the most part. Refined sugar is perfectly fine in moderation in a healthy diet. While cutting back may be a good idea, total elimination is a total scare tactic not based on much.

Hi!! Well did not want to scare anyone...and partly agree. By keep the sugar low as rule of thumb it allows you to get sugar now and then or in some of your meals. Yeah have your favorite cupcake now and then. Then the daily total sugar count is not that high. I just see too many people trying to keep a diet but cannot get rid of high intake of sugar.....or keep drinking carbonated drinks with sugar....

You said refined sugar should be zero, but you "partly agree" that refined sugar is fine in moderation? Color me confused.

janejellyroll wrote: »

GDX65 wrote: »

Hornsby wrote: »

GDX65 wrote: »

Hi, found this thread as I was looking for the word "sugar". Why My Fitness Pal counts Sugar as a macronutrient after one has configured the Goals. You see it under Nutrients section.

Sugar, as all refined carbs should be ZERO! Sugar down not belong to the human body as all refined carbs. Sugar we brought to Europe from Asia few centuries ago(I think 510BC, just google it)....before they used plant derived sweeteners and honey. Stevia in South America.
For example, I used to drink my espressos (many of them during the day) with sugar. I switched to stevia (hard to find pure and organic) for a while (you get used to it) then I just stopped and drink it black. Now is fine. It is just a matter of reprogramming the brain from unconsciously induced bad diet due to modern lifestyle, since our childhood.

Regarding macro count and calories just "do not drink your calories". Try to take calories from the main macros and eat good carbs you will have much less cravings as well. Learn to drink still water only (no bubbles). I drink wine now and then and it goes into my macro count.

OP should disregard this post for the most part. Refined sugar is perfectly fine in moderation in a healthy diet. While cutting back may be a good idea, total elimination is a total scare tactic not based on much.

Hi!! Well did not want to scare anyone...and partly agree. By keep the sugar low as rule of thumb it allows you to get sugar now and then or in some of your meals. Yeah have your favorite cupcake now and then. Then the daily total sugar count is not that high. I just see too many people trying to keep a diet but cannot get rid of high intake of sugar.....or keep drinking carbonated drinks with sugar....

You said refined sugar should be zero, but you "partly agree" that refined sugar is fine in moderation? Color me confused.

Hi, my comment was for those that cannot stay away from refined sugars....as for example, some people that are struggling with that. I see this problem on subjects on diet here in Norway for example. They just cannot stay away from refined sugars. If they can get their treat (small treat) then are able to keep a quite good nutrition regime.
Otherwise my point is very fixed on stay away from refined sugars AND carbs. They just do not belong to humans as all other modified food from the "modern food industry ".