Straight talk needed! Do rules change after 50?

CeeBeeSlim
CeeBeeSlim Posts: 1,350 Member
edited November 28 in Health and Weight Loss
Hi All. I'm a bit confused and dismayed and just need some advice. I was 131.4 on 1/15. Today 135.2. I know it's not fat given the whole how much you have to eat to that weight to really be fat. BUT I was taking the advice not to only eat 1200 calories daily as I was, especially since I was working out two hours a day (not the norm, was just trying out a lot of new gym classes to determine which ones I'd stick to). So I upped calories to 1400, didn't treat carbs as the devil (as I was) so started to eat brown rice, black beans, sprouted bread, lots of veggies - but I watched portions and still under 1400. Additionally, I'm very sore from the workouts and learning about water retention and muscles from doms. I'm wondering whether to just to take a deep breath and realize this is all new carbs, doms, and it will settle out; OR is it possible that that being over 50, and petite, (stats:51, 5'3, GW 123-125), I just may have to do 1200 calories and low carb? I was stalled at 132 for forever which is why I figured the upping would work. To now be 10 lbs from goal weight than 6 is disheartening.

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  • vivmom2014
    vivmom2014 Posts: 1,649 Member
    Weight fluctuates. That's just reality.

    I am over 50 and don't do low carb or 1200, and I lost just fine. (I'm afraid I wouldn't last five minutes on 1200 calories, but that's beside the point.) When you say you "watch portions" - do you weigh your food? Doing so will give you more accuracy and peace of mind if scale fluctuations are bothering you.
  • PaytraB
    PaytraB Posts: 2,360 Member
    edited January 2016
    I'm over 50, don't watch my carbs or sugars, exercise reasonably, stay within calorie limits. As long as I do that, I can & do either lose weight or maintain. I've gained a few pounds recently but that's from overeating, not being over 50.
    Weight fluctuates by as much as 5 lbs by the day for some. There are many factors, including sodium intake and water retention. Keep doing what you're doing. The weight will come off.

    ETA: another thing to remember is that weight loss isn't linear. You can do all the right things and sometimes the scales go up or stay the same for awhile, then start to drop again. As long as the long term trend for your weight is moving downward, you're doing it right.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    I'll be 50 later this year. When I started lifting weights again last fall, my weight shot up seven pounds. This all (plus more) came off over a few weeks.

    One age related thing I do know - I'm a lot less strong than I was 11 years ago when I was a full time yoga teacher. Having more muscle does make it easier to lose weight. I plan to keep up the strength training / bodyweight exercises forever.
  • MelaniaTrump
    MelaniaTrump Posts: 2,694 Member
    edited January 2016
    It almost sounds like you are just gaining muscle.
  • WalkingAlong
    WalkingAlong Posts: 4,926 Member
    If you go from low carb to not-low-carb and/or do 2-hour workouts, you're going to see some water weight gain. Ignore it.
  • kristen6350
    kristen6350 Posts: 1,094 Member
    It almost sounds like you are just gaining muscle.

    No, not gaining muscle while eating 1200 calories.

    It's more than likely water retention.
  • cross2bear
    cross2bear Posts: 1,106 Member
    I am well over 50, and the formula CICO works just fine for me as I have been consistently losing since October last year. Your experience is one of the many reasons I do not weigh myself every day - actually, I only weigh maybe every 4-6 weeks. There are too many influences for me to feel confident that a daily weigh in is an accurate reflection of whats really going on inside.
  • MostlyWater
    MostlyWater Posts: 4,294 Member
    I would say Yes and No.

    It's still calorie in calorie out, to a certain extent, but our metabolism changes as we age. It's definitely harder!
  • cross2bear
    cross2bear Posts: 1,106 Member
    Another perspective on age (and other things) and metabolism:
    http://www.fitmole.org/8-ridiculous-myths-everyone-believes-about-their-metabolism/
  • Pawsforme
    Pawsforme Posts: 645 Member
    edited January 2016
    I'd take a deep breath and stick to what you're doing for a few weeks and see what happens. If your muscles are sore then you no doubt have some fluid retention.

    But . . . I wouldn't rule out that at your age and size you may indeed need to cut calories a bit more if you want more than very, very slow weight loss. I'm 53 and have lost 25 pounds in the past few months, but most of the time I was eating around 1200 calories a day. But also note that I'm shorter than you (4'10") and lighter than you (CW 114). But I'd give it at least a couple of weeks and see what happens.
  • slimzandra
    slimzandra Posts: 955 Member
    I'm in a similar boat. 54 and petite, (stats:54, 5'1, GW 120).
    Ditto what @PaytraB wrote: "I've gained a few pounds recently but that's from overeating, not being over 50."
    I don't think there is a rule change w/"50". However, In my case, post-menopause did effect hormone levels, so there was a lot of flux going on with how the body stores and burns fat. It did have some impact on moods, energy levels, ability to keep focused and diligent. The biggest factor for weight loss was eating at a healthy deficit, maintaining muscle stregth. Yea, take a deep breath, keep experimenting and you will find what works for you over the long term. Sounds like you are on the right track, finding out what you can live with long term.

    High carbs, working out, cardio will retain water weight as everyone has already said. The 200 calorie difference isn't going to matter given the 2 hrs of working out. With intense levels of exercise you will need more carbs, fats and proteins to keep your energy levels up. I prefer the extra protein for workouts, I find I feel more energy per calorie. Continue to accurately track macros, adjust as needed. (weigh food, don't subtract out workout calories since people tend to overestimate that.)
    I just came off a plateau of 6 weeks (which I know seems like "forever"). I think of it as my re-composition phase.
  • I need some pointers ! I'm 51 and it's harder than it use to be ! My son died in a car crash two years ago and I have put on 45 pounds since then ! Help please !
  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
    edited January 2016
    Losing weight at 50 was much different for me than losing when I was younger. Partially due to lifestyle changes and partially due to hormonal fluctuations. Fat loss will always be about calories, but that doesn't mean calories is the only factor to consider.

    Regular cardio exercise was the biggest help to me. It helped control hormone fluctuations and water weight. I have lost about 30 lbs. but it wasn't as easy as when I was younger. Not at all.
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    edited January 2016
    CeeBeeSlim wrote: »
    Hi All. I'm a bit confused and dismayed and just need some advice. I was 131.4 on 1/15. Today 135.2. I know it's not fat given the whole how much you have to eat to that weight to really be fat. BUT I was taking the advice not to only eat 1200 calories daily as I was, especially since I was working out two hours a day (not the norm, was just trying out a lot of new gym classes to determine which ones I'd stick to). So I upped calories to 1400, didn't treat carbs as the devil (as I was) so started to eat brown rice, black beans, sprouted bread, lots of veggies - but I watched portions and still under 1400. Additionally, I'm very sore from the workouts and learning about water retention and muscles from doms. I'm wondering whether to just to take a deep breath and realize this is all new carbs, doms, and it will settle out; OR is it possible that that being over 50, and petite, (stats:51, 5'3, GW 123-125), I just may have to do 1200 calories and low carb? I was stalled at 132 for forever which is why I figured the upping would work. To now be 10 lbs from goal weight than 6 is disheartening.

    It is absolutely water weight ...from carbs, replenishing glycerol in liver, from change up in exercise...ride it out, I'm surprised it's such a small increase to be honest . Give it a week and do not reduce or low carb again
    It almost sounds like you are just gaining muscle.

    Oh will you stop

  • rainbowbow
    rainbowbow Posts: 7,490 Member
    It sounds to me like water weight. Probably from re-introducing carbs and DOMS from training.

    ¡Cálmate!
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
    Losing weight weight was easier in my 50's - the tools are so much better.
    Gaining fitness, strength and muscle is slower than it used to be.

    Low carb or not is personal preference unless you have a medical conditon and nothing to do with age. I would hate it.

    Think you need to work on your patience to be honest, results don't come in the timeframe you are expecting.
  • sheermomentum
    sheermomentum Posts: 827 Member
    edited January 2016
    Short answer: No, the rules do not change.

    You burn fewer calories as you lose muscle mass. Most people lose muscle mass as they age purely as the result of not using their muscles much over decades. Even people who are very active in their teens and 20's often get less active as they get older. But gain muscle mass, and that "metabolism slows down" thing pretty much goes away.

    Changes in hormone levels do affect your metabolism to a some degree. There is some evidence that the loss of estrogen does make it harder to lose fat in the abdomen (but not anywhere else; sucks, right?), and that higher estrogen also help women build muscle a little more easily. HOWEVER, neither of these effects is strong enough to account for the inability to break down fat or build muscle with the same kind of diet and exercise that a younger woman would use. You might just end up with a skinnier butt and a little tummy, though. Or, as alot of the women here can proudly show you, you might not.

    For me, the biggest challenge with being 50 is the little aches and pains that make me feel like not moving, or like curling up and eating comfort food. But, I also know that more I move and the better I control my weight, the better all those little things are going to feel.
  • vivmom2014
    vivmom2014 Posts: 1,649 Member
    I need some pointers ! I'm 51 and it's harder than it use to be ! My son died in a car crash two years ago and I have put on 45 pounds since then ! Help please !

    Very sorry to hear about your son. It would be wise to start your own thread and ask away, rather than "derail" this one.


  • rsclause
    rsclause Posts: 3,103 Member
    This is why I like my Aria WiFi logging scale from FitBit. I just step on every morning and boom, I see my weight and body fat %. It is logged and uploaded so I can look at the week, month, quarter or year as numbers or graph. It really helped me to see the effect of a weekend of over eating or slacking of my running. I don't stress over the daily fluctuation but the trends are eye opening.
  • CeeBeeSlim
    CeeBeeSlim Posts: 1,350 Member
    Thank you all for the advice. I will stick it out for a few more weeks. Sorry to hear about your son vivmom2014. I'll have to get a bit more tech-savvy and learn how to reply directly. Onward and downward, I hope. :D

  • pondee629
    pondee629 Posts: 2,469 Member
    The question is "do the rules change after 50?". But for the fact that nagging little injuries don't go away as quickly any more, no. You eat at a deficit, you lose weight. Eat at a surplus, you gain weight. You do cardio, you gain endurance, your "wind" is better and you feel better. You lift weights/do resistance training, you gain/don't lose as much muscle, get stronger and look more "toned". Pretty much as happened before getting to 50+.
  • jnunez1963
    jnunez1963 Posts: 35 Member
    I agree with pondee629. The only difference was I could exercise harder and longer in my youth. But for the effort, CICO works. I also agree to not weigh so often.
  • rileysowner
    rileysowner Posts: 8,332 Member
    If you have DOMS, and even for a week or so after it goes away, you are retaining water especially since the increase in calories was small.
  • Tigg_er
    Tigg_er Posts: 22,001 Member
    Short answer: No, the rules do not change.


    For me, the biggest challenge with being 50 is the little aches and pains that make me feel like not moving, or like curling up and eating comfort food. But, I also know that more I move and the better I control my weight, the better all those little things are going to feel.

    Same here !
  • lorrpb
    lorrpb Posts: 11,463 Member
    edited January 2016
    You said you know it's not fat, so leave it there. People of all ages fluctuate on a daily basis.

    Here is the straight talk you asked for:
    I'm 60 yo and have lost 130 lb with 20 left to goal. I hit a new low yesterday. Today I'm up .6 lbs. I thought I would be up more than that to be honest. I've fluctuated within a 4 lb range in the last 7 days. This is completely normal. I weigh daily, enter everything into Happy Scale phone app, and visually see a graph of my trends and fluctuations. I can pretty much predict when my weight will go up or down just by looking at the past patterns.

    Yesterday I weighed first thing in morning like I always do, then weighed again after my personal training workout, just to compare my weight to the one at the studio. (I rarely do this.) I went up 5 pounds between 7am and 10am!!! Some of it was gym clothes, breakfast, & water, but not 5 lbs worth!

    Where did the extra weight come from? Who knows! What did I do? Shrugged, took my shower, and went on with my day! This morn, as I said before, 4.5 of that was gone and I sm up only .6 from yesterday morn.

    I asked my hubby about it, he's a dialysis nurse and deals with water weight on patients all day long. He just looked at me and said there is no explanation. Even when they remove a known amount of water from a patient in a 3 hour dialysis session (which is the purpose of dialysis), the change in the patient's weight does not always change the same as you would expect it to mathematically. It's the human body!
  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,096 Member
    It almost sounds like you are just gaining muscle.

    No, not gaining muscle while eating 1200 calories.

    It's more than likely water retention.

    And not gaining any measurable amount of muscle in one week, much less enough muscles account for the nearly four pounds of weight fluctuation in that week.

    Good news, however, moving from 1200 calories a day to 1400 calories in way is going to move the OP from a deficit or even maintenance to a four pound gain of fat in a week either.

    The only "rule change" I noticed after 50 was that I was either finally motivated enough or experienced enough or lucky enough to find an easy online food database and tracking tool to enable me to lose more weight (in % and in raw numbers) and keep it off longer than I had ever managed before 50.
  • WalkingAlong
    WalkingAlong Posts: 4,926 Member
    edited January 2016
    We get more sedentary as we age, typically. Often, we're sitting at desks instead of waiting tables or working in retail, we're not chasing kids around, we're not dancing at nightclubs til 2am, we pay someone to wash our cars and mow our lawns and maybe even walk our dogs and do our shopping.

    Plus the body does less cellular regeneration. It all adds up to less calories burned.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,314 Member
    +1 to the "stay the course and wait it out" theme. Give it at least 2-3 more weeks, if not longer, since you've changed so many variables at once. Several of the things you've done are things that would cause me to gain water weight.

    Overall, I've found it easier to lose weight now (I'm 60 y/o) than when younger - mainly on the psychological side, with little difference on the physical side.

    FWIW: I'm not that much taller than you (5'5"), CW around 123, and was recently still losing slowly at 1560 net - though I do seem to be able to eat a few more calories than MFP expects and still lose (don't know why).
  • jpcebu
    jpcebu Posts: 18 Member
    Just a recommendation look into intermediate fasting or the 5:2 diet.
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