Weight is stuck and trying low carbs....

2»

Replies

  • mynameisnutz
    mynameisnutz Posts: 123
    Bumping so LaJuana can find me those studies.

    I found a study. Here-
    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa0708681

    In this 2-year trial, we randomly assigned 322 moderately obese subjects (mean age, 52 years; mean body-mass index [the weight in kilograms divided by the square of the height in meters], 31; male sex, 86%) to one of three diets: low-fat, restricted-calorie; Mediterranean, restricted-calorie; or low-carbohydrate, non–restricted-calorie.
  • mynameisuntz
    mynameisuntz Posts: 582 Member
    I found a study. Here-
    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa0708681

    In this 2-year trial, we randomly assigned 322 moderately obese subjects (mean age, 52 years; mean body-mass index [the weight in kilograms divided by the square of the height in meters], 31; male sex, 86%) to one of three diets: low-fat, restricted-calorie; Mediterranean, restricted-calorie; or low-carbohydrate, non–restricted-calorie.
    That doesn't show participants eating a caloric surplus, yet low carb, and still losing fat.
  • mynameisnutz
    mynameisnutz Posts: 123
    That doesn't show participants eating a caloric surplus, yet low carb, and still losing fat.

    Your original ask was this:
    Are you trying to say that you can lose weight so long as you eat less than 50g carbs per day? Because that's how your statement can be interpreted.

    And the answer is an unequivocal yes. In fact, the carbo limited but non-calorie limited group lost the most weight and waist size and had the best lipid profile of all three groups.
  • mynameisuntz
    mynameisuntz Posts: 582 Member
    That doesn't show participants eating a caloric surplus, yet low carb, and still losing fat.

    Your original ask was this:
    Are you trying to say that you can lose weight so long as you eat less than 50g carbs per day? Because that's how your statement can be interpreted.

    And the answer is an unequivocal yes. In fact, the carbo limited but non-calorie limited group lost the most weight and waist size and had the best lipid profile of all three groups.
    Wow, what a miserable typo on my part. I followed it up a few posts later with the TRUE intent of my question:

    "Show me research that shows eating a caloric surplus, but keeping carbs below 50g, will NOT result in weight/fat gain."

    As that was in response to LaJauna saying:

    "You don't need to count calories if you keep your carbs under 50 grams a day or less. "

    My fault!
  • mynameisnutz
    mynameisnutz Posts: 123
    Wow, what a miserable typo on my part. I followed it up a few posts later with the TRUE intent of my question:

    "Show me research that shows eating a caloric surplus, but keeping carbs below 50g, will NOT result in weight/fat gain."

    As that was in response to LaJauna saying:

    "You don't need to count calories if you keep your carbs under 50 grams a day or less. "

    My fault!

    All good, my brother.
  • LaJauna
    LaJauna Posts: 336 Member
    Bumping so LaJuana can find me those studies.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo&feature=player_embedded#at=1466
    Enjoy.
    I have read many anecdotal stories, (I know not very scientific) of patients who ate 2 or 3 times the recommended calorie limits while on Atkins losing weekly at a steady pace. I know for me, I consume between 1500 and 2000+ calories a day without much exercise and tend to lose at a fairly fast pace. I am not very insulin resistant so I can eat a quite high fat percentage (high calorie) a day and still continue to lose weight and my body changes quite rapidly as I am losing weight.
  • mynameisuntz
    mynameisuntz Posts: 582 Member
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo&feature=player_embedded#at=1466
    Enjoy.
    I have read many anecdotal stories, (I know not very scientific) of patients who ate 2 or 3 times the recommended calorie limits while on Atkins losing weekly at a steady pace. I know for me, I consume between 1500 and 2000+ calories a day without much exercise and tend to lose at a fairly fast pace. I am not very insulin resistant so I can eat a quite high fat percentage (high calorie) a day and still continue to lose weight and my body changes quite rapidly as I am losing weight.
    I don't want a Youtube video. I want the ACTUAL study itself. Find me the direct source. I want to see a published study that says, "participants ate above caloric maintenance, but ate less than 50g per day, and still lost weight."

    You made that claim, that's what I want to see.

    P.S. according to the physical law of nature, the law of thermodynamics, what you are saying is impossible. You can't eat MORE than our body needs to sustain, regardless of macronutrient composition, and still LOSE weight. That's impossible.

    So find me the study that disproves a physical law of nature all due to a low carb diet.

    P.S. consuming 2,000 calories and losing weight isn't mind-boggling? That's what I do. But I also eat 150 - 200g carbs. Most people underestimate their maintenance, in my opinion.
  • mynameisuntz
    mynameisuntz Posts: 582 Member
    Participants ate less than 2,000 calories in that study and lost weight.

    I don't understand how that proves you just have to watch carb intake, not calories, and you'll lose weight.

    Please clear this up for me.
  • LaJauna
    LaJauna Posts: 336 Member
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo&feature=player_embedded#at=1466
    Enjoy.
    I have read many anecdotal stories, (I know not very scientific) of patients who ate 2 or 3 times the recommended calorie limits while on Atkins losing weekly at a steady pace. I know for me, I consume between 1500 and 2000+ calories a day without much exercise and tend to lose at a fairly fast pace. I am not very insulin resistant so I can eat a quite high fat percentage (high calorie) a day and still continue to lose weight and my body changes quite rapidly as I am losing weight.
    I don't want a Youtube video. I want the ACTUAL study itself. Find me the direct source. I want to see a published study that says, "participants ate above caloric maintenance, but ate less than 50g per day, and still lost weight."

    You made that claim, that's what I want to see.

    P.S. according to the physical law of nature, the law of thermodynamics, what you are saying is impossible. You can't eat MORE than our body needs to sustain, regardless of macronutrient composition, and still LOSE weight. That's impossible.

    So find me the study that disproves a physical law of nature all due to a low carb diet.

    P.S. consuming 2,000 calories and losing weight isn't mind-boggling? That's what I do. But I also eat 150 - 200g carbs. Most people underestimate their maintenance, in my opinion.

    Let's assume just for arguments sake that the Laws of Thermodynamics are flawed. Then what? I am saying I personally know many people who continue to eat more calories then they can burn in a day/week and continue to lose weight while eating low carb. Just saying.
  • JNick77
    JNick77 Posts: 3,783 Member
    I never tried low carbs before and hopefully I won't want to kill someone. My weight is stuck and I really need to try something else. Do you have any advice for me. What to eat, what not to eat... how to survive... be carefull about this ... think about that...

    I would really appreciate.

    It's hard to say without knowing all of your stats and calorie goals right now. If you're satisfied with your Calorie goal for achieving what you want try adjusting the percentages of your daily calories to something like, Protein 40%, Carbs 25%, Fat 35%. What carbs you do eat should be solid carbs, minimize / eliminate breads if you can stand it. Try and consume some good fats. You can adjust these values up-and-down as you plateau but don't do an Atkins Diet type thing because the diet doesn't really restrict the calorie intake. You can still gain weight on a low-carb diet, so stay within your calorie target.

    You really should read the book. You don't need to count calories if you keep your carbs under 50 grams a day or less. Your body will prefer to burn fat if you have any on your body at that level. My target is 2000+ cals a day but rarely eat that much because low carbing has eliminated my cravings and I am satisfied much longer without all the carbage. I have lost 8.2 lbs since Monday. My micro-nutrient goals are 5% carbs, 25% protein and 70% FAT. Yummmmmm . I have been recommending everyone go and watch an amazing You Tube video filmed at a lecture from Stanford University. It is a nutritionist (vegetarian, I might add) that did a year long study of Atkins compared to other low fat/high carb diets (Ornish). Atkins won across the board. The most amazing thing it did was correct triglyceride and HDL lipid panels in all the Atkins group compared to the Ornish group that had elevated levels of triglycerides and HDL.

    I read the book, did the diet for six months and I did okay with it, but the concept is a little outdated. It's simple math, if you consume more calories then you expend you will not lose weight. Various nutritionist have taken the Atkins diet and refined it to be more effective since then, John Berardi (Get Shredded), Mauro DiPasquale's Anabolic Diet, and Chris Shugart even did a refinement to the Anabolic diet. Dr. Atkins was an intelligent man and provided a good basis for the diet, but other intelligent nutritionists have taken that concept and made it better. They all agree, you still have to control your calories to maintain and definitely lose weight.
  • LaJauna
    LaJauna Posts: 336 Member
    I guess I just need to agree to disagree with some folks. I am so done with this discussion... my brain hurts and I am hungry!

    Have a great low carb weekend, buddies!
  • mynameisnutz
    mynameisnutz Posts: 123
    Let's assume just for arguments sake that the Laws of Thermodynamics are flawed. Then what? I am saying I personally know many people who continue to eat more calories then they can burn in a day/week and continue to lose weight while eating low carb. Just saying.

    The laws of thermodynamics are universal and unchangeable laws that govern this universe. Not flawed. Bad assumption, even for argument's sake.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Yes. Sir. Anything you say! I have done my research. I am convinced of what I know and have experienced. We can agree to disagree.
    Are you trying to say that you can lose weight so long as you eat less than 50g carbs per day? Because that's how your statement can be interpreted.

    If so: please explain. If not, maybe clarify.
    Yes, that is what I am saying and what the Primal Blueprints states and what the Atkins studies have proven, over and over again. The OLD science that has been spewed for the last 40 years is flawed. Calories in does not equal calories out. There is something else going on. Read the books and check out some good scientific studies that are popping up every where lately.

    This is not exactly true. Sure there were some assumptions made by the medical community in the past that have been reversed after further research. Such as a low fat diet. Many health experts recommended that 20-30 yrs ago. But not any more, because further research showed that all fats are not the same and many are good for you. When Adkins first came out I thought "no way", but it turns out there was a way. But that did not in any way discount the fact that a diet rich in whole grain carbs can also be healthy. Siting examples of diabetes, celiac or insulin resistance doesn't discount it either. Of course the rules will be different for those with disease. Healthy diet recommendations for the general public are not meant for those with disease.
  • JNick77
    JNick77 Posts: 3,783 Member
    Let's assume just for arguments sake that the Laws of Thermodynamics are flawed. Then what? I am saying I personally know many people who continue to eat more calories then they can burn in a day/week and continue to lose weight while eating low carb. Just saying.

    The laws of thermodynamics are universal and unchangeable laws that govern this universe. Not flawed. Bad assumption, even for argument's sake.

    It is really just simple match... Keeping the numbers simple, you're body requies 1,000 calories to maintain weight based on your activity level and you eat 1,500 calories gues what happens to the remaining 500 calories... they get stored. I'm not insulting or making light of the diet because it's been effective for many people but there are very very prominent nutritionists and fitness experts that have fine tuned low carb eating and made it better.
  • mynameisuntz
    mynameisuntz Posts: 582 Member
    Let's assume just for arguments sake that the Laws of Thermodynamics are flawed. Then what?
    And when we're comparing how much weight we can lift, let's ignore gravity?
    I am saying I personally know many people who continue to eat more calories then they can burn in a day/week and continue to lose weight while eating low carb. Just saying.
    And I am telling you beyond reasonable doubt that you do not know a single human being who can eat more than their body burns and still lose weight. Similarly you don't know a single human being who can defy gravity and float.

    You are arguing against a universal LAW. A law that is as tight as gravity. You simply can't win that argument. If you believe you do, then you have let your beliefs remove you from reality.

    Nothing you have posted or said hints at the superiority of a low carb diet.
  • stariera
    stariera Posts: 224
    I found by lowering my sodium and trying to add more complex carbs over simple ones helped me through a slump.
  • JNick77
    JNick77 Posts: 3,783 Member
    I found by lowering my sodium and trying to add more complex carbs over simple ones helped me through a slump.

    You brought up another good point there. If we provide the same basic stimulus to our body be it food or physical activity the body will naturally adapt over time. For losing weight, you need to shake up the diet once in a while to get that engine going again, adding carbs and dropping some fat is a good way to do it too.
  • LaJauna
    LaJauna Posts: 336 Member
    Let's assume just for arguments sake that the Laws of Thermodynamics are flawed. Then what?
    And when we're comparing how much weight we can lift, let's ignore gravity?
    I am saying I personally know many people who continue to eat more calories then they can burn in a day/week and continue to lose weight while eating low carb. Just saying.
    And I am telling you beyond reasonable doubt that you do not know a single human being who can eat more than their body burns and still lose weight. Similarly you don't know a single human being who can defy gravity and float.

    You are arguing against a universal LAW. A law that is as tight as gravity. You simply can't win that argument. If you believe you do, then you have let your beliefs remove you from reality.

    Nothing you have posted or said hints at the superiority of a low carb diet.

    You are SO right! How could I have been so wrong! Please forgive me!
  • mynameisuntz
    mynameisuntz Posts: 582 Member
    You are SO right! How could I have been so wrong! Please forgive me!
    Just going to assume you're being sarcastic. But please continue; it's humorous watching someone believe that their misconceptions about anecdotal evidence defy a physical law of nature.

    Keep trying to defy gravity or prove that the earth is flat. Best of luck to you!
  • knittnponder
    knittnponder Posts: 1,953 Member
    I don't "low carb" but I do reduce my carbs and definitely see a difference when I do. I try to keep mine below 150 on days I do lots of exercise but days without any I try to keep it nearer 100 or even a little less. Any carbs I eat are from whole foods if possible (for example, I mill my own flour and bake our bread so the entire grain is in there.)
  • ohthatmomma
    ohthatmomma Posts: 115
    I just learned from a trainer that people tend either be carb sensitive or calorie sensitive. Which means that if a person was on a low calorie diet but still have high carbs they may not lose the weight, but if they switch it to a low carb diet they lose a ton of weight. Others just are calorie sensitive where all they need to do is cut calories and they lose weight.

    I was on a regular cut the calorie diet and I lost a couple of pounds, but nothing worth the 2 month diet I was one. I switched to a low carb/80% vegetarian diet and I have lost 17lbs in 1 month. So, I am a carb sensitive person. I respond to a Lo-carb diet better. I feel great!

    Yes! I believe I am carb sensitive!
  • JNick77
    JNick77 Posts: 3,783 Member
    I don't "low carb" but I do reduce my carbs and definitely see a difference when I do. I try to keep mine below 150 on days I do lots of exercise but days without any I try to keep it nearer 100 or even a little less. Any carbs I eat are from whole foods if possible (for example, I mill my own flour and bake our bread so the entire grain is in there.)

    There is definitely a lot of truth to that. That's why it's also important to watch what kind of carbs you eat, especially if your body doesn't handle carbs well.
  • KeepingChocolate
    KeepingChocolate Posts: 45 Member
    I've started low carbing and am finally losing weight. I don't pay attention to my fat or protein intake; I just try to keep my carbs between 50-100 grams a day and keep my calories around what MFP has figured for me each day. I'm finally losing at a steady rate and I'm really pleased.

    My biggest problem (and the one that provoked me to do a search that brought me to this forum thread) is that I'm struggling to get enough calories. The low carbing has eliminated my constant hunger. I eat my low carb meals and find that I feel satisfied and look at my diary and realize that I still need to eat another 500 calories to reach my MFP calories (and this is before I've exercised). I'm afraid that my body will go into "starvation mode" and that the steady progress I've been seeing will suddenly vanish and I'll stall out. Any thoughts on this (particularly from those who have successfully been using a low carb diet)?
  • LaJauna
    LaJauna Posts: 336 Member
    I've started low carbing and am finally losing weight. I don't pay attention to my fat or protein intake; I just try to keep my carbs between 50-100 grams a day and keep my calories around what MFP has figured for me each day. I'm finally losing at a steady rate and I'm really pleased.

    My biggest problem (and the one that provoked me to do a search that brought me to this forum thread) is that I'm struggling to get enough calories. The low carbing has eliminated my constant hunger. I eat my low carb meals and find that I feel satisfied and look at my diary and realize that I still need to eat another 500 calories to reach my MFP calories (and this is before I've exercised). I'm afraid that my body will go into "starvation mode" and that the steady progress I've been seeing will suddenly vanish and I'll stall out. Any thoughts on this (particularly from those who have successfully been using a low carb diet)?
    Starvation mode is a myth. If you have fat on your body to burn and you are not eating enough fuel your body will burn the fat on your body. Eat to hunger. If you are not hungry wait and see if you get hungry. You may find that you can go several hours longer without eating and that is okay. If you know you are going to be doing some heavy workouts then have a protein snack to keep your engine revved up! That is what I love about low carbing. I actually forget to eat! Who would have ever thought. I used to be the one planning my next meal while I was eating. I was never full and always searching for something to satisfy me. Now I am satisfied and full. Food is not on my mind all the time. I am not obsessing about it. I love low carbing!
  • mynameisuntz
    mynameisuntz Posts: 582 Member
    Starvation mode is a myth. If you have fat on your body to burn and you are not eating enough fuel your body will burn the fat on your body. Eat to hunger. If you are not hungry wait and see if you get hungry. You may find that you can go several hours longer without eating and that is okay. If you know you are going to be doing some heavy workouts then have a protein snack to keep your engine revved up! That is what I love about low carbing. I actually forget to eat! Who would have ever thought. I used to be the one planning my next meal while I was eating. I was never full and always searching for something to satisfy me. Now I am satisfied and full. Food is not on my mind all the time. I am not obsessing about it. I love low carbing!
    Low carb is also great because you can eat at a caloric surplus and still lose weight so long as you eat under 50g carbs!

    ...huh.
  • Chuckw40
    Chuckw40 Posts: 201
    That doesn't show participants eating a caloric surplus, yet low carb, and still losing fat.

    Your original ask was this:
    Are you trying to say that you can lose weight so long as you eat less than 50g carbs per day? Because that's how your statement can be interpreted.

    And the answer is an unequivocal yes. In fact, the carbo limited but non-calorie limited group lost the most weight and waist size and had the best lipid profile of all three groups.
    Wow, what a miserable typo on my part. I followed it up a few posts later with the TRUE intent of my question:

    "Show me research that shows eating a caloric surplus, but keeping carbs below 50g, will NOT result in weight/fat gain."

    As that was in response to LaJauna saying:

    "You don't need to count calories if you keep your carbs under 50 grams a day or less. "

    My fault!

    Are you arguing with yourself here?

    Edit: Now I see you have a copycat of some sort.
  • mynameisuntz
    mynameisuntz Posts: 582 Member
    Are you arguing with yourself here?

    Edit: Now I see you have a copycat of some sort.
    I chuckled.

    Get it?
This discussion has been closed.

Categories