OK Question....Im REALLY AND TRULY perplexed about this

Unfortunately thosr with autoimmune diseases seem to get other ones easier. I feel your pain. I have at least one too (Crohn's) and am on similar medication (azathioprine and Remicade).

whynotin2016 wrote: »

Still wouldnt the cardio and weights override them or offset them?

Firstly, I commend you for starting to log your food intake. It will move you away from what you believe to be true and towards what is factually correct about your situation based on evidence (which in all likelihood is that you are eating more than you imagine.)

With regard to exercise offsetting or completely compensating for the additional calories from over eating that is a possibility but for the average exerciser won't probably turn out to be the reality of the situation.

Let's say I eat a chocolate bar, a can of Coke and a bag of crisps / chips in a day. This would amount to around 700 calories and is pretty easy to do. In fact I could probably do that everyday and eating them would take literally minutes.

To offset that eating and get me back to a neutral position I would need to do about an hour's worth of cycling. That is much harder to do. It is also unlikely that I would do it every day.

So, for most people focusing in on their diet will be the bigger part of success with exercise helping to support or accelerate these efforts.

whynotin2016 wrote: »

I agree bottom line calories in vs calories out still im one of those I AM gonna exercise everyday thats the one equation thats stumpd me my whole life i cant possibly exercise enough to put out more calories than i take in
Thats why i think i got in habit of eating what i call light one bagel at a time or 4 mini donuts as a meal trying not to take in too many calories

That's the thing about your body.

It doesn't care about your hopes.

It doesn't care about your dreams.

It doesn't care about your wishes.

All it cares about is how many calories and nutrients are going and how many are going out and what to do about the balance between them.

That is why looking at your situation dispassionately and based on the evidence will be your friend. You will start speaking to your body in the language it understands so that you move it towards your goals.

whynotin2016 wrote: »

I agree bottom line calories in vs calories out still im one of those I AM gonna exercise everyday thats the one equation thats stumpd me my whole life i cant possibly exercise enough to put out more calories than i take in
Thats why i think i got in habit of eating what i call light one bagel at a time or 4 mini donuts as a meal trying not to take in too many calories

Yep you are right. Calorie in and calorie out. And you cannot exercise off a bad diet. I would say the bagels and donuts need to go at this point.

Off setting donut calories with exercise?

Why not try something like eating at MFP's calorie deficit that you setup, exercise 6 days a week (REST day on the 7th) and pick an exercise and stay with that for 5 weeks. Instead of just getting up everyday and just deciding on a whim what type of exercise you will do today, pick something to do consistently on your exercise days.

Use your food scale. Bottom line.

To track your weight and changes, use your home scale, tape measurements and pictures. If you do not start to loose weight within 4 -5 weeks, REASSES your calories in and calories out. Excluding your medical conditions and medications, you should start to see a trend. If you continue to not loose weight, this warrants a doctors visit and I would ask for a referral to a dietician to help you loose the weight you need, perhaps changing up the types of food from bagels and donuts to more nutritional food that will fuel your body. Being on medication would make me want to give up the packaged donuts and bagels for smarter choices.

Just a few simple suggestions, were you weighed on exactly the same scale? Same time of day? Similar clothing? All of that could make a difference. Also, if you went after eating out the day before, or after eating things you don't normally eat, some could be water weight. Granted, it probably wouldn't be a 30 lb difference, but it could account for some of it.

whynotin2016 wrote: »

I agree with NINKYOU...THUS my not understanding my entire life how that equation could possibly work. Calories in vs caloris out bottom line. Theres ZERO way to exercise calories out more than the calories you take in. Ive NEVER understood that part of it


and gia07, I DO have SPECIFIC exercises i do every other day adding something new to each routine each day

Calorie in (the amount you eat) and calorie out TDEE: (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) = BMR+EAT+NEAT+TEF

OP, you need to read up on this link: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1.

This explains how your body burns calories. It is not just by exercising. There is a lot going on inside the body that is not related to exercise calorie burning.. Exercise calories should always be around 10 - 15% of the equation and your diet (daily calorie intake) is 85 - 90%.

In other words, if you eat 2000 calories a day, you do not need to exercise 2000 calories a day.
I hope this makes some sense or at least gives you a starting point to research or further find the knowledge you need that will explain this in terms so that you can create a weight loss plan using MFP.

whynotin2016 wrote: »

doc called today with my original question as a plan, said do JUST the cardio, NO WEIGHTS for 2-4 weeks, strenuous as I can, if Im STILL GAINING weight, hes gonna refer me to an Endocrinologist
That would be too much, I couldnt handle ANOTHER condition

This is a good plan. Weigh, measure and track diligently--that will help your doctor to narrow down what might be going on with you.

I have a neurological issue that caused/added to my endocrine issues. It certainly is possible, especially if you have had trauma or brain surgery.

You CAN handle it--you really don't have any other choice but to push forward and do the best that you can every day.

whynotin2016 wrote: »

doc called today with my original question as a plan, said do JUST the cardio, NO WEIGHTS for 2-4 weeks, strenuous as I can, if Im STILL GAINING weight, hes gonna refer me to an Endocrinologist
That would be too much, I couldnt handle ANOTHER condition

So don't! What if you were just a normal man (metabolism wise) who was simply consuming more calories than he thought? So many of us have been there. Like you've been told, log your calories IN as accurately as possible and see what you turn up

Get this - it is NOT impossible to exercise off a huge surplus. If you're michael phelps during training, you're likely looking for 7000+ calories per day. But then again, foods and meals actually exist that'll give you this quantity in two to three servings! Without feeling like you've eaten that much, either.

If I had to pick between carefully logging food and exercise, I'd say food will give you the most bang for your buck. Otherwise if you feel you could do both accurately (exercise calories burned tend to be exaggerated, not to mention they depend on intensity a lot of times and could vary greatly from one person to the next), then go for it

Read this: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1296011/calorie-counting-101/p1

whynotin2016 wrote: »

yesterday HONESTLY logging hows 1900 calories, but exercise left like 900 to go of my daily goal and water, id say 8 glasses a day, usually every day no more than 10

So you're saying you burned 1000 calories in exercise? What did you do? Because honestly, that kind of burn is hard to achieve. It takes a long time of hard activity to get those kinds of burns.

I can't see your food log, but saw one comment. Make sure everything you eat is real food. Bologna is not real food. Are you eating too many carbs? Too big of a meal at dinner? Night time snacking? etc. If anything, the Endo can get you to a proper dietitian that can get your food straight.

Try the Paleo/Primal eating style. It is helpful with many health issues (even if you only eat 80% that way) and I can say I'm definitely looking forward to no longer needing my Endocrinologist and Neurologist because of it