Accuracy of Fitbit calories burned

What's everyone's knowledge/opinion on how accurate Fitbit HR is with calories burned? I've read before that it underestimates calories burns (when would be okay for me) and just want to know everyone's thoughts.

I aim for a 1,000 calorie deficiency per day and usually eat anything from 1,200-1,500 calories depending on what I do that day. I'm 23 5'3" and about 180lbs and work retail so I'm always standing/walking around. On a day where I work but do no other exercise (I pace around and do stairs a lot at work) it says I burn about 2,500-2,800 calories how correct does this sound?
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  • malibu927
    malibu927 Posts: 17,562 Member
    Follow your logging and results for 4-6 weeks then adjust as needed. Though a 1000-calorie deficit at your size is pretty aggressive. I'd probably drop it to 500-750.
  • Bxqtie116
    Bxqtie116 Posts: 552 Member
    The calories you burn account for the energy it takes for your body to function. When you walk or exercise, it adds to it. Our numbers are about the same (height & weight) and I have mine set at a 750 calorie deficit for the day. When I workout, my deficit ends up being at least 1000.
  • ForecasterJason
    ForecasterJason Posts: 2,577 Member
    I'm not sure if it's different for the HR model, but I have the One and I think it overestimates my calories burned.
  • DaddieCat
    DaddieCat Posts: 3,643 Member
    I have the surge, and it drastically over estimates my calories... but that's with the hr most likely going crazy during lifting which it's not designed for.
  • AverageJoeFit
    AverageJoeFit Posts: 251 Member
    I agree that fitbit calories are over estimated I have been maintaining my weight for about 4 months and have never eaten all the calories that my fitbit says I should.

    I just go with what MFP says and leave it at that.
  • StaciMarie1974
    StaciMarie1974 Posts: 4,138 Member
    My One seems fairly accurate. (No experience w/ the wrist models.) When I hit maintenance weight, I learned that if I ate below my TDEE according to Fitbit that I continued to lose weight.
  • mommazach
    mommazach Posts: 384 Member
    102 Calories burned in a mile for walking 4mph. You'd have to walk about 19.6 miles to get the 2,000 calories burned. I'd start checking the app settings for walking, or use another app like Map my walk, to get a better idea of the actual calories also. Don't give up on your Fitbit, but don't think of it as the most accurate measurement you can.
  • StaciMarie1974
    StaciMarie1974 Posts: 4,138 Member
    edited February 2016
    Fitbit cals burned are all day/TDEE including BMR. Not just for exercise/miles walked. Example I'm at 1299 right now, 6:50 pm. Its not 1299 'exercise' but 1299 total from all sources.

    PS cals burned for any activity will depend on the person's stats. And for walking, also incline or not. A mile at 4mph for me is only about 75.
    mommazach wrote: »
    102 Calories burned in a mile for walking 4mph. You'd have to walk about 19.6 miles to get the 2,000 calories burned. I'd start checking the app settings for walking, or use another app like Map my walk, to get a better idea of the actual calories also. Don't give up on your Fitbit, but don't think of it as the most accurate measurement you can.

  • Pawsforme
    Pawsforme Posts: 645 Member
    I believe if anything my Charge HR slightly under estimates my TDEE.
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    I have the fitbit zip, as the only exercise i do is walking, so a HRM would be a waste for me.

    Yesterday I did 21,621 steps (10.6m) and fitbit estimated my TDEE at 2,706... So yeah... Can't say I 100% trust it.
  • StaciMarie1974
    StaciMarie1974 Posts: 4,138 Member
    That is VERY active. What is your BMR?
    I have the fitbit zip, as the only exercise i do is walking, so a HRM would be a waste for me.

    Yesterday I did 21,621 steps (10.6m) and fitbit estimated my TDEE at 2,706... So yeah... Can't say I 100% trust it.

  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    edited February 2016
    That is VERY active. What is your BMR?
    I have the fitbit zip, as the only exercise i do is walking, so a HRM would be a waste for me.

    Yesterday I did 21,621 steps (10.6m) and fitbit estimated my TDEE at 2,706... So yeah... Can't say I 100% trust it.

    According to Scooby workshop, and lightly active, My BMR is 1424- TDEE 1979

  • jeepinshawn
    jeepinshawn Posts: 642 Member
    edited February 2016
    That is VERY active. What is your BMR?
    I have the fitbit zip, as the only exercise i do is walking, so a HRM would be a waste for me.

    Yesterday I did 21,621 steps (10.6m) and fitbit estimated my TDEE at 2,706... So yeah... Can't say I 100% trust it.

    According to Scooby workshop, and lightly active, My BMR is 1424- TDEE 1979

    If you are walking that much everyday you are more than lightly active Imo
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    That is VERY active. What is your BMR?
    I have the fitbit zip, as the only exercise i do is walking, so a HRM would be a waste for me.

    Yesterday I did 21,621 steps (10.6m) and fitbit estimated my TDEE at 2,706... So yeah... Can't say I 100% trust it.

    According to Scooby workshop, and lightly active, My BMR is 1424- TDEE 1979

    If you are walking that much everyday you are more than lightly active Imo

    I try to get there everyday, but there are days like today when I've only done 12,000 steps. So the low days balance out the higher days
  • scolaris
    scolaris Posts: 2,145 Member
    Today my Fitbit HR told me I burned 2864. I walked over 19k steps and lifted weights for 30+ minutes. I hoped telling it I'm 1" shorter than I really am would help but now in worried...
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,200 Member
    edited February 2016
    From December 2, 2014 to October 7, 2015, a period of 309 days that saw me moving from 224.7 lbs to 169.7 lbs and performing a total of 5 DXA scans, using the assumption that 1lb of catabolized lean mass is 1500 Cal and 1lb of fat mass 3500 Cal, ignoring <0.4lbs of bone mass changes, and making the assumption that my MFP logging is 100% accurate (which we KNOW it cannot be), that DXA scans are 100% accurate (fat % can be +/-1% from what is calculated) and assigning ALL discrepancy between expected and actual loss to Fitbit's TDEE calculation, the Fitbit started the time period by under-estimating TDEE by 0.5% and ended the time period over-estimating TDEE by 5.5%. Each scan showed a progressive increase to the over-estimation.

    These observations tend to confirm my belief that there is a degree of adaptive thermogenesis and increased adaptation to exercise that has taken place as weight loss and deficits have persisted.

    It also tends to confirm my belief that for all intents and purposes the bloody Fitbit (in conjunction with careful MFP logging) is remarkably bloody accurate if you are not an outlier.

    So, to start, and absent your own data, just assume the darn thing is accurate! You paid good money for it, give it a chance!

    Use a trending weight program that should probably be www.trendweight.com since you are using fitbit.com and can automatically connect the two accounts in less time that it took you to read this post.

    Every month or so, compare your trending weight to your expected weight loss for the time period (hint click on your fitbit.com profile pic and look at the calories in-calories out graph for the past 30 days) and adjust your expectations and/or your deficit based on the results you've observed!

    (and watch out for days where MFP-Fitbit integration isn't working and you have to manually correct wrong entries)

    And while you're at it OP: cut your deficit to 500 Cal as you are currently cutting way more than 20% of your TDEE.

    ETA: while obese I was aiming for a deficit of 25% of TDEE (and achieving slightly less than that). This was tapered to 20% when I became overweight. Since July I am aiming for a deficit that is closer to 10%. Note that my TDEE during the 10 months in question ranged from just over 3500 to just over 3100.
  • lemonychild
    lemonychild Posts: 654 Member
    I have my settings under sedentary and i find it very accurate.
  • Rimfakse
    Rimfakse Posts: 25 Member
    I had the HR for about 9 months before I upgraded to the Surge. I found the HR pretty accurate, but when I did sports that involved using my hands (skiing, horseback riding, even hiking...most sports apart from running basically), it underestimated the calories burns. I use a H7 Polar belt now for everything apart from running/walking.
  • dollydiva2
    dollydiva2 Posts: 71 Member
    I've just checked my BMR and TDEE on scoobysworkshop and they are pretty much exactly the same as I'm getting from my Charge HR. The BMR is slightly different at 1418 (scoobys) and 1358 fitbit but the TDEE is around 2100 on both.
  • pasudeep
    pasudeep Posts: 5 Member
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    a period of 309 days that saw me moving from 224.7 lbs to 169.7 lbs

    Impressive!
  • Maxematics
    Maxematics Posts: 2,287 Member
    I find that my Charge HR is accurate. I think for some people, not all, they find it inaccurate not because the calories are too high, but because they think they're eating the calories Fitbit says they can, but they're not. Without a food scale it's all just even more estimations on top of the Fitbit calorie estimation. So if they're trying to take advantage of every last calorie, they may actually be going over by several hundred.

    Anyway, I think people can underestimate their level of activity too. 20K steps and up will never be lightly active. 10K is already lightly active. Most people, especially in the US, get no more than 5000 to 8000 steps per day. THAT is what sedentary is.
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,200 Member
    edited February 2016
    synacious wrote: »
    I find that my Charge HR is accurate. I think for some people, not all, they find it inaccurate not because the calories are too high, but because they think they're eating the calories Fitbit says they can, but they're not. Without a food scale it's all just even more estimations on top of the Fitbit calorie estimation. So if they're trying to take advantage of every last calorie, they may actually be going over by several hundred.

    Anyway, I think people can underestimate their level of activity too. 20K steps and up will never be lightly active. 10K is already lightly active. Most people, especially in the US, get no more than 5000 to 8000 steps per day. THAT is what sedentary is.

    Based on currently available evidence, we propose the following preliminary indices be used to classify pedometer-determined physical activity in healthy adults:
    (i). <5000 steps/day may be used as a 'sedentary lifestyle index';
    (ii). 5000-7499 steps/day is typical of daily activity excluding sports/exercise and might be considered 'low active'; (iii). 7500-9999 likely includes some volitional activities (and/or elevated occupational activity demands) and might be considered 'somewhat active'; and
    (iv). >or=10000 steps/day indicates the point that should be used to classify individuals as 'active'.
    Individuals who take >12500 steps/day are likely to be classified as 'highly active'.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14715035

    My own observation of the correspondence between MFP and Fitbit is:
    MFP Sedentary: 3500 to 5000 steps
    MFP Lightly Active: 5000 to 8000 steps
    MFP Active: 8000 to 12500 steps
    MFP Very Active: 12500 to 15500 steps
    Exceeds MFP Very Active: above 15500 steps
  • ForecasterJason
    ForecasterJason Posts: 2,577 Member
    Here's the thing. Yesterday I walked outside for about 30 minutes, which includes going up and down hills. Based on my distance, I was walking about 3.2 mph. According to my Fitbit I burned about 200 calories in that time for walking about 1.5 miles. According to the formula that the device uses for BMR, my BMR is in the 1500 range. Based on the MET's that I would have had from my walk, I don't see how that can be correct.
  • GetThatRunnersHigh
    GetThatRunnersHigh Posts: 112 Member
    My own experience with Charge is that it's fairly accurate. It gives me ~500 calories for an 7 mile run. I've been eating all the FitBit calories and I've been maintaining for a year now.
  • Mouse_Potato
    Mouse_Potato Posts: 1,509 Member
    I have a Charge HR and I finds it underestimates by ~100 calories a day for me. I think it is because a lot of my activities are not step-based (see profile picture) and it doesn't really know what to make of them. An hour of aerial silks usually nets me about half what I would get for an hour of walking at a normal pace. And Pilates counts the same as reading on the couch while sipping wine. :smiley:
  • Bbeliever215
    Bbeliever215 Posts: 234 Member
    I walk an average of 25k steps daily ( I typically do high stepper challenges ) and I have been nervous about eating my fitbit calories because they're so high, however I est most of them, if not all at times and have been losing. Slowly but losing. On my rest days, which I tend to average about 12K steps I burn around 2500 or more. I have only had my charger hr since Christmas but I think it's fairly accurate. I am also into strength training and I am not sure how that influences things.
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    edited February 2016
    scolaris wrote: »
    Today my Fitbit HR told me I burned 2864. I walked over 19k steps and lifted weights for 30+ minutes. I hoped telling it I'm 1" shorter than I really am would help but now in worried...

    @scolaris I reduced my height and stride length by 1 inch too. I can't tell that it made any difference. Have you noticed any difference with your numbers?

  • williams969
    williams969 Posts: 2,528 Member
    When I had the Zip, it tended to UNDERestimate. For reference, all my cardio was step based (light jogging/walking), and I ligged strength training through manual entry. I told it I was 5 inches taller (but kept stride length true to resl life) to make it accurate for my personal experience.

    Then I traded up to the Charge HR. In the year I've had it, I've found it much closer to accurate. I've only made a 1inch adjustment. Seems spot on, more or less.
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,200 Member
    Fitbit seeks to encourage people to move more.

    The basic Fitbit formula ought to under-estimate most people for whom Mifflin St Jeor holds true. Fitbit assigns straight BMR to any time period it doesn't detect movement. If you look into the MET tables, this is an under-estimate as many non movement generating daily living activities would get you MET 1.3ish. In fact, if you factor in corrected METs this could be even more for many people.

    So yes, Fitbit gives you perhaps a little bit more than straight MET value for your walking; but, it tends to average out JUST FINE because most people have way more periods of low activity than periods of high activity during their day

    In any case, there is a heck of a lot of difference between I need to run a 1%, 5% , or even 10% correction to my Fitbit TDEE estimate, and OMG I can't trust the calories my Fitbit gives me, I don't eat any of them back (or even I eat 50% of them back given that a Fitbit TDEE adjustment is not a true exercise adjustment and should not be eaten back at only 50%.)

    For most people we are discussing a sub 10% correction which would be smaller than the total deficit/surplus they are running. And if you connect Trendweight to Fitbit, reviewing how far off your logging is from your expected results is relatively easy!

    Of course, as already mentioned, the quality of your food logging also matters: if you are 20% too low when it comes to recording your food intake... yes, Fitbit will "overestimate you".

    Like many things in life: trust AND verify!
  • ForecasterJason
    ForecasterJason Posts: 2,577 Member
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    Fitbit seeks to encourage people to move more.

    The basic Fitbit formula ought to under-estimate most people for whom Mifflin St Jeor holds true. Fitbit assigns straight BMR to any time period it doesn't detect movement. If you look into the MET tables, this is an under-estimate as many non movement generating daily living activities would get you MET 1.3ish. In fact, if you factor in corrected METs this could be even more for many people.

    So yes, Fitbit gives you perhaps a little bit more than straight MET value for your walking; but, it tends to average out JUST FINE because most people have way more periods of low activity than periods of high activity during their day

    In any case, there is a heck of a lot of difference between I need to run a 1%, 5% , or even 10% correction to my Fitbit TDEE estimate, and OMG I can't trust the calories my Fitbit gives me, I don't eat any of them back (or even I eat 50% of them back given that a Fitbit TDEE adjustment is not a true exercise adjustment and should not be eaten back at only 50%.)

    For most people we are discussing a sub 10% correction which would be smaller than the total deficit/surplus they are running. And if you connect Trendweight to Fitbit, reviewing how far off your logging is from your expected results is relatively easy!

    Of course, as already mentioned, the quality of your food logging also matters: if you are 20% too low when it comes to recording your food intake... yes, Fitbit will "overestimate you".

    Like many things in life: trust AND verify!
    Yes, this is true. For me, I think the difference is up to about 8-9% a day, and a lot of days I happen to fall a bit short of what it says anyway without really making an effort.