Help needed from all you veterans. To say I'm getting frustrated is an understatement! Pleeaassee
minamina27
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Hi everybody just like to say thank you in advance for any help or suggestions. I spend half of the day reading the forums and know that many of you are veterans at this and always offer great advice.
I have been using Mfp for over a year and lost 38lb fairly quickly early last year, albeit on what I now know to be too few calories for me, around 1200-1400. I started the gym last July after I had lost most of that weight although at that time I wasn't very consistent but managed around 3 or 4 days a week mainly cardio. I got my fitbit HR at around the same time. I love my food and so was working out so I could eat more. The year ended with me having 8 weeks away from the gym and logging, and making poor food choices prior to the Xmas holidays which resulted in me gaining around 10lb.
Fast forward to now.
I am 200lb, female 5'6, with a daily expenditure averaging ~3000 - 3200 according to my fitbit HR.
I go to the gym religiously Monday to Friday 6.30am - 8 and work out for the whole time except for 15 minutes of stretching to cool down. I also walk most days and do Zumba classes etc twice a week and a run on Saturday. Infact I have visited the gym or done a 5k outside 78 times in 76 days! (I have a chart at home that I chart my workouts on).
I lost 8lb initially in about 4 weeks but nothing since. I am now trying to eat less of my exercise calories but my weekly chart showing net calories is looking really poor. This week so far I will average around 500 net a day ( eating back ~50% fitbit adjustment). Last week I averaged ~900, week before ~1100. I AM NOT DOING INTENTIONAL LOW CALORIE. I'm just adjusting the amount of fitbit adjusted calories that I am eating back. 100%, 80%, 75% and now 50%.
I know the first question on everyone's mind will be about accurate logging. I log everything and as accurately as possible using a scale, in grams. I drink only water and unsweetened tea with no milk so I don't believe that's the problem.
This is my 3rd week on stronglifts so I only do around 25 minutes of cardio now on my lifting days, 2 gym days just cardio plus a 4 mile run on a Saturday morning and walking most days and Zumba classes.
To say I'm getting frustrated is an understatement!
I am fitter and more active than I have ever been and In all honestly I am focusing on being fit and healthy but that doesn't sit right when you're classed as obese! So would like to see the scale move, and preferably downwards!
Please please please any advice? My food diary is public.
I have been using Mfp for over a year and lost 38lb fairly quickly early last year, albeit on what I now know to be too few calories for me, around 1200-1400. I started the gym last July after I had lost most of that weight although at that time I wasn't very consistent but managed around 3 or 4 days a week mainly cardio. I got my fitbit HR at around the same time. I love my food and so was working out so I could eat more. The year ended with me having 8 weeks away from the gym and logging, and making poor food choices prior to the Xmas holidays which resulted in me gaining around 10lb.
Fast forward to now.
I am 200lb, female 5'6, with a daily expenditure averaging ~3000 - 3200 according to my fitbit HR.
I go to the gym religiously Monday to Friday 6.30am - 8 and work out for the whole time except for 15 minutes of stretching to cool down. I also walk most days and do Zumba classes etc twice a week and a run on Saturday. Infact I have visited the gym or done a 5k outside 78 times in 76 days! (I have a chart at home that I chart my workouts on).
I lost 8lb initially in about 4 weeks but nothing since. I am now trying to eat less of my exercise calories but my weekly chart showing net calories is looking really poor. This week so far I will average around 500 net a day ( eating back ~50% fitbit adjustment). Last week I averaged ~900, week before ~1100. I AM NOT DOING INTENTIONAL LOW CALORIE. I'm just adjusting the amount of fitbit adjusted calories that I am eating back. 100%, 80%, 75% and now 50%.
I know the first question on everyone's mind will be about accurate logging. I log everything and as accurately as possible using a scale, in grams. I drink only water and unsweetened tea with no milk so I don't believe that's the problem.
This is my 3rd week on stronglifts so I only do around 25 minutes of cardio now on my lifting days, 2 gym days just cardio plus a 4 mile run on a Saturday morning and walking most days and Zumba classes.
To say I'm getting frustrated is an understatement!
I am fitter and more active than I have ever been and In all honestly I am focusing on being fit and healthy but that doesn't sit right when you're classed as obese! So would like to see the scale move, and preferably downwards!
Please please please any advice? My food diary is public.
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For how long has your weight loss stalled? During that time, have there been changes in how the same pair of jeans fits?0
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I'm confused about what exercise you are doing for how long. Could you list your exercise out (what you do and for how long) for each day like this:
Sunday - 3 mile walk
Monday - SL5x5 45 minutes, Zumba 25 minutes
and so on and so forth. That would help me understand better and (theoretically) give better suggestions.0 -
If you are on any form of hormonal birth control, hormonal IUD included, it could be the culprit.0
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How long have you been eating the same things and doing the same exercises? Maybe you just need to shake things up a bit.. change up your routine either eating, exercise or both? I change my routines every 30 days or so, it keeps my body guessing, keeps me from getting bored and helps me to avoid a plateau.0
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I lost 70 pounds on just a calorie deficit (no exercise) so I don't know much about eating back exercise calories, but maybe your fitbit is wrong about how many calories your burning?
If you really are accurate with your logging, maybe you should consider getting a physical from your doctor to see if there's any hidden reasons why you're struggling to lose weight.0 -
Well if you are eating all of your excersize calories back and you are basing those on your fit bit it isn't 100% accurate.
I have a fit bit charge hr and I have been in maitence calories for 5 months now and I have never eaten all the calories the fit bit says I can eat.
You might be losing fat and gaining muscle even though the scale isn't moving. How are your cloths fitting or your measurements doing?
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You really need to be consistent to offer any advise. You have added several new workouts and played with calories over and over. Each if these things can cause hormonal changes and water retention.
Pick a plan and stick with it for six weeks, then evaluate the results.0 -
I took a look at your food diary. On Sunday, your weights for this meal are suspiciously round:
Also, you are using user-created entries for the cabbage, carrots, and green beans. I get the wording for system entries from https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods
On other days, you managed to have the exact same amount of chicken and potatoes three days in a row. That never happens to me.
Try tightening up your logging for a few weeks.0 -
The obvious answers having been already given, I'll ask if you've had bloodwork done in the past year?
My first thought is you are eating too much. Even if your device says you should eat 3000 calories, that's crazy high. I know I would have to be working out several hours a day every day to be needing that kind of fuel. I'm guessing your workouts aren't several hours a day. Heart rate devices aren't meant to be used one-for-one as a calorie using and calorie eating tool.
Why not plug in your numbers to Myfitnesspal's goal setting tool and use those numbers for a while? One way or the other, you have to pick a method and a number and stick with them long enough to get a baseline data set.0 -
I think your fitbit is incorrect.0
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I would stay under 2K calories0
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Wow. Fast responses. Just going to take a while to respond, I'm a slow typer! But here goes0
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if it were me, i would stop using the fitbit calculations for a couple of months and use MFP exclusively for all data. eat back a quarter to MAYBE half of your estimated burns.
OR, run your data through scoobys and follow a TDEE method for a couple of months and see if that helps.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »For how long has your weight loss stalled? During that time, have there been changes in how the same pair of jeans fits?
Since the beginning of February. Yes they fit a little better so must have lost and inch or twoI'm confused about what exercise you are doing for how long. Could you list your exercise out (what you do and for how long) for each day like this:
Sunday - 3 mile walk
Monday - SL5x5 45 minutes, Zumba 25 minutes
and so on and so forth. That would help me understand better and (theoretically) give better suggestions.
Monday am stronglifts then 20 minutes running on treadmill sprints
Tuesday am 5k running treadmill, then either sprints/elliptical or profile inclines programme with different speeds,
Pm Zumba 1 hour
Wednesday am stronglifts then 20 minutes running on treadmill sprints
Thursday am 5k running, 30 minute Hiit class, then whatever time left on elliptical or sprints
Friday am stronglifts then 20 minutes running on treadmill sprints
Saturday 4 mile run
Sunday Zumba 1 hour
Plus I walk most days usually between 30 minutes and 2 hours0 -
No hormones etc or medication of any kindDessilicious wrote: »If you are on any form of hormonal birth control, hormonal IUD included, it could be the culprit.cushman5279 wrote: »How long have you been eating the same things and doing the same exercises? Maybe you just need to shake things up a bit.. change up your routine either eating, exercise or both? I change my routines every 30 days or so, it keeps my body guessing, keeps me from getting bored and helps me to avoid a plateau.
I sometimes do other classes such as Mma or yoga. But up until starting stronglifts I mainly did a mix of cardio with some core work etcAskTracyAnnK28 wrote: »I lost 70 pounds on just a calorie deficit (no exercise) so I don't know much about eating back exercise calories, but maybe your fitbit is wrong about how many calories your burning?
If you really are accurate with your logging, maybe you should consider getting a physical from your doctor to see if there's any hidden reasons why you're struggling to lose weight.
Regarding my fitbit calories, it gives me less than what I use to use with map my fitness and mfp. For my weight etc the calories from running (ok jogging!) seem quite similar to the calculators.
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It's adding 1,200-1,600 calories a day for exercise. Something's wrong with that. I have a fitbit and do CrossFit 5 days a week. I get at most 600 calories added per day.0
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kshama2001 wrote: »I took a look at your food diary. On Sunday, your weights for this meal are suspiciously round:
Also, you are using user-created entries for the cabbage, carrots, and green beans. I get the wording for system entries from https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods
On other days, you managed to have the exact same amount of chicken and potatoes three days in a row. That never happens to me.
Try tightening up your logging for a few weeks.
Hi. I knew someone would pick up on that. However I have less than that but round it up to the nearest entry that I have previously added. I always overestimate not under. For instance if my chicken is 235g or 245 g I will log it as 250g thanks.cmriverside wrote: »The obvious answers having been already given, I'll ask if you've had bloodwork done in the past year?
My first thought is you are eating too much. Even if your device says you should eat 3000 calories, that's crazy high. I know I would have to be working out several hours a day every day to be needing that kind of fuel. I'm guessing your workouts aren't several hours a day. Heart rate devices aren't meant to be used one-for-one as a calorie using and calorie eating tool.
Why not plug in your numbers to Myfitnesspal's goal setting tool and use those numbers for a while? One way or the other, you have to pick a method and a number and stick with them long enough to get a baseline data set.
No I haven't had any blood tests done. Although my fitbit says ~3000 I never ever eat that much, oh actually a party or two throughout the year. Mfp gives me 1250 a day and my fit bit is set to lose 1.5 lb a week so adjusts according to my deficit.
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Thanks for all your replies so far.0
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You are not burnign more than 1000 calories per day on this exercise routine. And you are eating too much. I checked your diet for the last couple of weeks in February. You are around 2000 calories with several days over 3000, some closer to 4000. You need to be more consistent. And no matter what your fitbit says, I would not expect more than 500-600 calories from exercise. Assuming you have a sedentary lifestyle other than your exercise, I woudl be surprised if your TDEE is above 2500 or so.0
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I'm going to offer a different possibility--that any weight loss you may have accomplished may be hidden by water retention from increased exercise. I know this happens to me whenever I really step it up, and it can linger for a couple of weeks before I get a "whoosh" of weight loss all of a sudden. Here is an article that made a lot of sense to me: http://www.leangains.com/2010/01/how-to-deal-with-water-retention-part.html
As for your Fitbit, I have a flex, and its calorie estimate is pretty spot on for me. I get fairly large adjustments (like 300-500 calories) from just hitting or exceeding my step count without doing any purposeful exercise (for comparison, I'm only 5'2" and weight about 155 lbs). On days I really exercise hard, I can get up to an 800 calorie or so adjustment. The reason for the large adjustment is because I have MFP set to sedentary. If I had it set to active, my adjustment would be smaller, but I would get more calories up front. I prefer to start with the lower calorie goal and "earn as I go."
Anyway, I hope you see a loss soon. Best of luck!0 -
This is why I don't have a fit bit. We have friends that have had them and it grossly overestimates your daily calorie burn. IMO, your better off using a HRM during cardio exercises and calculating your daily calories needs based off your activity level by using MFP's (or Scooby's) simple calculator. Like others said make sure you are weighing your food accurately too.0
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I use a Fitbit (the most basic model, the Zip) and find it is really accurate. But I am making a skeptical McKayla Maroney face about a 3000-3200 burn.0
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Another to say your Fitbit might be overestimating.
I use an UP3 and it gives me an INSANE amount of calories for walking and running. I have a theory the closer you are to a healthy weight the more accurate it is, but I think for us obese gals it does some multiplication that makes it incorrect.
Yesterday, for instance, it gave me 1,744 calories for my active burn (and 1,437 for resting). It thinks I went 7.85 miles. I walked for 3.25 miles at lunch, take a 1 mile round trip in and out of work every day, walked another 1 mile after work, and ran for 1.5 miles after work. So that's 6.75 in addition to any small amount of steps I might have taken going here or there, so it is already overestimating on distance. But even if we pretend I walked all of that, 1.5 miles ran and 6.35 miles walked... the standard calculation is .63 x (weight in lbs) x miles for calories burned running and .33 x (weight in lbs) x miles for calories burned walking. So that should be no more than 571 extra calories. And yet it gave me more than 3x that! Or even if you assume 100-120 cals per mile, that is still 800 more than the high end of that calculation.
I also think MFP's standard calories for walking/running overestimate. This has been my personal experience, I use a spreadsheet to average all my food eaten and exercise calories burned and estimate my weight loss and compare that to my actual weight loss. It has started to get a lot more accurate once I started using the above calculation instead of MFP numbers or even my HRM numbers.0 -
minamina27 wrote: »This is my 3rd week on stronglifts so I only do around 25 minutes of cardio now on my lifting days, 2 gym days just cardio plus a 4 mile run on a Saturday morning and walking most days and Zumba classes.
And here is a totally opposite vote about your Fitbit being inaccurate given the substantial amount of exercise you are doing.
You just started Stronglifts. The possibility of water retention is extremely high.
Your weight changes? Are you using scale or a trending weight apps such as trendweight and weightgrapher?
If you are not using a trending weight app, please connect your fitbit account to them so that you can automatically transfer weight information over and can look at your trending weight changes as opposed to your scale weight changes to try and control a bit for water weight variations.
You also said that your body composition changed and that your clothes fit better. Did that happen magically?
Attached is a DXA scan of a female in her 40s who over a period of 3.3. months, BY EVIDENCE of her scan results, generated a daily deficit in the 1000 Cal range.
I bet you she was going WTF?!, just like you are, when her scale was showing "just" 12.1lbs of weight loss in spite of the deficit she thought she had.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5ivy2PKgcqcUFRJbHJ6UWZKXzZJelVMYkpPcUc4a0RFalQ4/view?usp=sharing
I am not saying that her result is typical. But it is obviously not impossible if you take an untrained individual who has sufficient fat available and train them.
If you want to test whether this is related to your exercise and just want to see a big weight drop, just stop exercising for a week and eat at (your much reduced because of lack of exercise) maintenance calories for that week, and see what happens with your weight.0 -
Thank you so much for your words of wisdom so far.
Just to clarifyYou are not burnign more than 1000 calories per day on this exercise routine. And you are eating too much. I checked your diet for the last couple of weeks in February. You are around 2000 calories with several days over 3000, some closer to 4000. You need to be more consistent. And no matter what your fitbit says, I would not expect more than 500-600 calories from exercise. Assuming you have a sedentary lifestyle other than your exercise, I woudl be surprised if your TDEE is above 2500 or so.
I am **200lbs** and so I do burn more calories than somebody who is not obese. I have checked many calculators which give me 450-500 cals for a 5k at my weight, plus I spend/ was spending up to 45 minutes after that doing cardio. Zumba, according to my fitbit burns anywhere between 450 and 550,I walk an average 17000 steps a day and as my mfp is set to sedentary that's why I get a larger adjustment than if I set it to active?.. Yes I have several days over 2000 and even a couple over 3000 with 3029 being my highest! but if I have an occasion to attend or birthday etc I average for the week and you will notice that the days prior to or after are a lot lower. On the 'worst of such weeks my average daily calories were 1550 net.
I know that the calorie burn given is inflated and that is why I'm trying different proportions of it to eat back. I am just using the best tools I have available to me and I'm sure my fitbit HR is a better estimator than MFP or the machines.
I appreciate you taking the time to help. Would you suggest sticking with 50% or changing my mfp to slightly active or active? Thanks.0 -
blues4miles wrote: »Another to say your Fitbit might be overestimating.
I use an UP3 and it gives me an INSANE amount of calories for walking and running. I have a theory the closer you are to a healthy weight the more accurate it is, but I think for us obese gals it does some multiplication that makes it incorrect.
Yesterday, for instance, it gave me 1,744 calories for my active burn (and 1,437 for resting). It thinks I went 7.85 miles. I walked for 3.25 miles at lunch, take a 1 mile round trip in and out of work every day, walked another 1 mile after work, and ran for 1.5 miles after work. So that's 6.75 in addition to any small amount of steps I might have taken going here or there, so it is already overestimating on distance. But even if we pretend I walked all of that, 1.5 miles ran and 6.35 miles walked... the standard calculation is .63 x (weight in lbs) x miles for calories burned running and .33 x (weight in lbs) x miles for calories burned walking. So that should be no more than 571 extra calories. And yet it gave me more than 3x that! Or even if you assume 100-120 cals per mile, that is still 800 more than the high end of that calculation.
I also think MFP's standard calories for walking/running overestimate. This has been my personal experience, I use a spreadsheet to average all my food eaten and exercise calories burned and estimate my weight loss and compare that to my actual weight loss. It has started to get a lot more accurate once I started using the above calculation instead of MFP numbers or even my HRM numbers.
For every anecdotal evidence leaning one way, there is another leaning the opposite way.
According to MFP and Google Fit, for the three weeks ending March 12, I should have gained 3.5lbs. This is based on Google's GPS/wifi distance logging and my phone's step calculations. I judge my phone's calculations to be fairly accurate. On some few occasions I have the phone on a charger as opposed to on me. Usually i am in the house when that happens and working on my workstation.
According to MFP and Fitbit, for the three weeks ending March 12, I should have lost 1.47lbs. This is based on the "overly generous" step count of the Fitbit Charge HR that occasionally gives me steps for typing.
According to my trending weight app I lost 1.5lbs during the time period.
In fact, since day 1, I've found Google Fit to be criminally insane in underestimating burns.
All you can do is verify and cross-check your burns and see if they make sense for you and if they appear to match the reality of your trending weight app...
The "gold" standard you may want to use are the MET tables in the compendium of physical activities. The speed of your walk or run has a heck of a lot to do with how many calories your activity burns.0 -
So you start your post stating that 1200 - 1400 was not enough calories for you, but then the follow up is that you are netting a max of 1100 and not losing?
There is a possibility that you have some water retention going on, but at 3 weeks on your current plan I would expect that to reverse soon if that is your issue. Many have stated here that something like 2-3 weeks is a normal period of time to see water retention from starting a new strength training program.
FWIW I'm 5'6, started this time at 211 pounds and have eaten less than 1400 pretty consistently. I mostly ignore my exercise calories. At the moment I'm doing 3 days of spinning class and then 3 days of mixed cardio (walk/row/precor) with the odd walk thrown in here and there. No regular strength training and lean mass is holding up thus far...shows increased actually by 4 pounds, but it is just by tape measure so who knows?0 -
blues4miles wrote: »Another to say your Fitbit might be overestimating.
I use an UP3 and it gives me an INSANE amount of calories for walking and running. I have a theory the closer you are to a healthy weight the more accurate it is, but I think for us obese gals it does some multiplication that makes it incorrect.
Yesterday, for instance, it gave me 1,744 calories for my active burn (and 1,437 for resting). It thinks I went 7.85 miles. I walked for 3.25 miles at lunch, take a 1 mile round trip in and out of work every day, walked another 1 mile after work, and ran for 1.5 miles after work. So that's 6.75 in addition to any small amount of steps I might have taken going here or there, so it is already overestimating on distance. But even if we pretend I walked all of that, 1.5 miles ran and 6.35 miles walked... the standard calculation is .63 x (weight in lbs) x miles for calories burned running and .33 x (weight in lbs) x miles for calories burned walking. So that should be no more than 571 extra calories. And yet it gave me more than 3x that! Or even if you assume 100-120 cals per mile, that is still 800 more than the high end of that calculation.
I also think MFP's standard calories for walking/running overestimate. This has been my personal experience, I use a spreadsheet to average all my food eaten and exercise calories burned and estimate my weight loss and compare that to my actual weight loss. It has started to get a lot more accurate once I started using the above calculation instead of MFP numbers or even my HRM numbers.
For every anecdotal evidence leaning one way, there is another leaning the opposite way.
According to MFP and Google Fit, for the three weeks ending March 12, I should have gained 3.5lbs. This is based on Google's GPS/wifi distance logging and my phone's step calculations. I judge my phone's calculations to be fairly accurate. On some few occasions I have the phone on a charger as opposed to on me. Usually i am in the house when that happens and working on my workstation.
According to MFP and Fitbit, for the three weeks ending March 12, I should have lost 1.47lbs. This is based on the "overly generous" step count of the Fitbit Charge HR that occasionally gives me steps for typing.
According to my trending weight app I lost 1.5lbs during the time period.
In fact, since day 1, I've found Google Fit to be criminally insane in underestimating burns.
All you can do is verify and cross-check your burns and see if they make sense for you and if they appear to match the reality of your trending weight app...
The "gold" standard you may want to use are the MET tables in the compendium of physical activities. The speed of your walk or run has a heck of a lot to do with how many calories your activity burns.
Right, and I just said for me it didn't work, so I agree everyone has to fiddle around and see what works for them. Though I peaked at your profile, and you are another point in my theory that it is accurate the closer you are to a healthy weight.
I didn't pull those numbers from a hat, they are in this article in Runner's World: http://www.runnersworld.com/weight-loss/how-many-calories-are-you-really-burning which is from this published study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15570150
I am just telling you my experience, but it frequently gives me 3000+ calories (inactive + active calories) for days that I slowly hobble for 3 miles at a walk, and then slowly shuffle for 3 miles at a jog. If that number was accurate, I would have lost 8 lbs in the last 3 weeks. I have actually lost 3 to 5 (3.3 according to 20 day average which is the same math TrendWeight uses, or 5 if you go by what the scale said 21 days ago versus what it said today). It seems pretty accurate on weekends (1800-2000) when I usually only get around 3k steps in, 1930 is my Scooby TDEE for sedentary. So I feel like there is a multiplier on the steps that is wrong. I'm not saying you or someone else doesn't have accurate numbers or can't burn that many calories, I'm saying I've done the math and it doesn't work out that I'd actually be using 3,000+ calories on all these days.
In sum:
UP3 expected weight loss: 8.3 lbs
Google Fit expected: 3.98 lbs
TDEE & using the run/walk formulas above expected: 3.54 lbs
Actual (using my 20-day moving average from 21 days ago compared to today): 3.335 lbs
We all have to play with our own numbers to see if they are working or not...the UP3 is still valuable for me as a step tracker (ballpark), sleep tracker, and some of the other notifications it has. I just don't trust the calorie burn. It claims to use MET values by the way.0 -
missblondi2u wrote: »I'm going to offer a different possibility--that any weight loss you may have accomplished may be hidden by water retention from increased exercise. I know this happens to me whenever I really step it up, and it can linger for a couple of weeks before I get a "whoosh" of weight loss all of a sudden. Here is an article that made a lot of sense to me: http://www.leangains.com/2010/01/how-to-deal-with-water-retention-part.html
As for your Fitbit, I have a flex, and its calorie estimate is pretty spot on for me. I get fairly large adjustments (like 300-500 calories) from just hitting or exceeding my step count without doing any purposeful exercise (for comparison, I'm only 5'2" and weight about 155 lbs). On days I really exercise hard, I can get up to an 800 calorie or so adjustment. The reason for the large adjustment is because I have MFP set to sedentary. If I had it set to active, my adjustment would be smaller, but I would get more calories up front. I prefer to start with the lower calorie goal and "earn as I go."
Anyway, I hope you see a loss soon. Best of luck!
Thank you
I'm hoping I get a loss on the scale soon. The thing is, I'm going to continue regardless as I like being fit and healthy and there is no way I am going to risk putting weight on. I'm 44 years old with a 2 year old so want to be around for as long as possible. Hopefully the lifting will help lose some inches and so I will see what the next month brings. I'm not sure how long you retain water for but it's 10 weeks since I started back at the gym, and 3 weeks since I started stronglifts.
Here's hoping for my 'whoosh'This is why I don't have a fit bit. We have friends that have had them and it grossly overestimates your daily calorie burn. IMO, your better off using a HRM during cardio exercises and calculating your daily calories needs based off your activity level by using MFP's (or Scooby's) simple calculator. Like others said make sure you are weighing your food accurately too.
Thanks for your reply. I'm not sure it will be of any benefit to me getting a hr monitor. I really got my fitbit as a motivator to increase my activity and it has worked for that purpose and therefore improved my overall health. I'm as sure as I can be that my logging is accurate. I have checked MFP for active and it says I could have 1770 calories a day.. I will try this method if my 50% adjustments get me nowhere., however I regularly net less than this on a weekly average now. Thanks again. .
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