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janejellyroll wrote: »missyfitz1 wrote: »The complaining about people being unsupportive in this thread is especially confusing, since it is in the "Nutrition Debate" forum.
Now my brain might have been adversely affected by all the chemicals and toxins I consume in margarine, milk, and Peeps, but my understanding of the word "debate" suggests that others may challenge any opinions or beliefs you may post.
'Cuz... debate.
In fact, I believe the Nutrition Debate forum was created so we could demand things like "proof" and "studies" and "science" without being called mean.
*headdesk* I didn't even notice we were in the Nutrition Debate forum. Why was I spending so much energy trying to make the point that debate is positive and a good thing? That's irrelevant. It's the mandate here!
This thread was moved here -- it started in the "Food" area. I think you've made some excellent points, not irrelevant at all.
Huh, didn't think of that, the thread being moved. Damn you processed-food-stuff-toxins, confuddling my brain!
Yeah, it was moved, but it still is titled butter v. margarine! That's a debate format.
Of course, the discussion ended up: either, doesn't matter, whatever you like assuming you aren't eating insane amounts vs. margarine is evil because back in the '80s most had transfats. Oh, and chemicals. Because olive oil is apparently a chemical and cream is not.0 -
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Would it be possible for the moderator to put this kind of post in as a rule when threads are moved to forums that have a different purpose? To kind of place a bookmark for where in a thread the rules changed?
Agreed. When was the thread moved?0 -
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Would it be possible for the moderator to put this kind of post in as a rule when threads are moved to forums that have a different purpose? To kind of place a bookmark for where in a thread the rules changed?
This thread has brought that discussion up on our part. We are going to start leaving a note when it is moved.0 -
I think the defense of prior posters complaining about being asked to defend their statements because it wasn't yet in ND is kind of silly, though. The OP asked what was better to eat, butter or margarine. To jump in and claim butter because margarine is unnatural and does all sorts of specified bad things and then complain when people ask "oh, what's the support for that? do you realize margarine is lots of different compositions?" is just as outrageous whether it's in ND or not. What good does it do for the OP or his/her question to let inaccurate statements pass unchallenged as if that was "being supportive."
Shaking my head.0 -
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Would it be possible for the moderator to put this kind of post in as a rule when threads are moved to forums that have a different purpose? To kind of place a bookmark for where in a thread the rules changed?
This thread has brought that discussion up on our part. We are going to start leaving a note when it is moved.
Awesome, thank you!0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I think the defense of prior posters complaining about being asked to defend their statements because it wasn't yet in ND is kind of silly, though. The OP asked what was better to eat, butter or margarine. To jump in and claim butter because margarine is unnatural and does all sorts of specified bad things and then complain when people ask "oh, what's the support for that? do you realize margarine is lots of different compositions?" is just as outrageous whether it's in ND or not. What good does it do for the OP or his/her question to let inaccurate statements pass unchallenged as if that was "being supportive."
Shaking my head.
I agree with this completely.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I think the defense of prior posters complaining about being asked to defend their statements because it wasn't yet in ND is kind of silly, though. The OP asked what was better to eat, butter or margarine. To jump in and claim butter because margarine is unnatural and does all sorts of specified bad things and then complain when people ask "oh, what's the support for that? do you realize margarine is lots of different compositions?" is just as outrageous whether it's in ND or not. What good does it do for the OP or his/her question to let inaccurate statements pass unchallenged as if that was "being supportive."
Shaking my head.
No matter what forum you're in, if you're going to say "*You* shouldn't eat [x]" or "*You* shouldn't do [x]," there should be some kind of support for that. And I don't think posters should get in trouble for asking for support for claims that something is harmful (or that something is beneficial).0 -
I was once told by a nutritionist to eat close to nature! So I choose butter, I could make my own at home if I wanted to. I can't say the same about Margarine. I made the switch to butter about 2 years ago!!0
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Joanna2012B wrote: »I was once told by a nutritionist to eat close to nature! So I choose butter, I could make my own at home if I wanted to. I can't say the same about Margarine. I made the switch to butter about 2 years ago!!
I can and do make my own margarine.0 -
Joanna2012B wrote: »I was once told by a nutritionist to eat close to nature! So I choose butter, I could make my own at home if I wanted to. I can't say the same about Margarine. I made the switch to butter about 2 years ago!!
Any *kitten* can call themselves a nutritionist (at least in the United States). That term is practically meaningless in terms of someone's qualifications. Ask a Registered Dietician, who has actually studied and has a degree in human nutrition.0 -
Joanna2012B wrote: »I was once told by a nutritionist to eat close to nature! So I choose butter, I could make my own at home if I wanted to. I can't say the same about Margarine. I made the switch to butter about 2 years ago!!
I agree. I love opening my bag of Doritos in a nice park and eating them there. I just need to know if I should bring a tub of butter or margarine to dip them in.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Joanna2012B wrote: »I was once told by a nutritionist to eat close to nature! So I choose butter, I could make my own at home if I wanted to. I can't say the same about Margarine. I made the switch to butter about 2 years ago!!
I can and do make my own margarine.
Yeah, I don't think some people understand what margarine is. At their most basic, butter is creamed milk, margarine is whipped oil. Margarine doesn't have to be partially hydrogenated, made in a factory full of evil chemists.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Joanna2012B wrote: »I was once told by a nutritionist to eat close to nature! So I choose butter, I could make my own at home if I wanted to. I can't say the same about Margarine. I made the switch to butter about 2 years ago!!
I can and do make my own margarine.
Yeah, I don't think some people understand what margarine is. At their most basic, butter is creamed milk, margarine is whipped oil. Margarine doesn't have to be partially hydrogenated, made in a factory full of evil chemists.
I think there is this misconception that all margarine is identical and if there is something you don't want to consume (or reduce consumption of) in one, that doesn't mean that every margarine ever is like that one.
You can make it yourself, you can get it GMO-free, you can get it organic, you can get it with different types of oils, etc.0 -
So I took a look at one of these new fangled margarines....
Ingredients:
Vegetable Oils in varying proportions (70%) (Sunflower, Rapeseed, Palm# and Linseed), Water, Salt (1.5%), Buttermilk (12%), Emulsifier (Mono- and Diglycerides of Fatty Acids), Acid (Citric Acid), Preservative (Potassium Sorbate), Natural Flavouring (contains Milk), Vitamins A and D, Colour (Carotenes), #This is sustainable Palm Oil
I guess it's the palm oil that holds it together, as the other oils are liquids.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Joanna2012B wrote: »I was once told by a nutritionist to eat close to nature! So I choose butter, I could make my own at home if I wanted to. I can't say the same about Margarine. I made the switch to butter about 2 years ago!!
I can and do make my own margarine.
Yeah, I don't think some people understand what margarine is. At their most basic, butter is creamed milk, margarine is whipped oil. Margarine doesn't have to be partially hydrogenated, made in a factory full of evil chemists.
To be honest, if you'd asked me prior to this thread, I wouldn't have know there are so many different types of margarine. I knew there was one made with olive oil from commercials, and of course the standard 'OMG it's so fake' one. But otherwise, I've been so traumatized by the margarine I was served in the 80's I've stayed far, far away
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Joanna2012B wrote: »I was once told by a nutritionist to eat close to nature! So I choose butter, I could make my own at home if I wanted to. I can't say the same about Margarine. I made the switch to butter about 2 years ago!!
I can and do make my own margarine.
Yeah, I don't think some people understand what margarine is. At their most basic, butter is creamed milk, margarine is whipped oil. Margarine doesn't have to be partially hydrogenated, made in a factory full of evil chemists.
To be honest, if you'd asked me prior to this thread, I wouldn't have know there are so many different types of margarine. I knew there was one made with olive oil from commercials, and of course the standard 'OMG it's so fake' one. But otherwise, I've been so traumatized by the margarine I was served in the 80's I've stayed far, far away
Yeah, I decided I hated it in the '80s too, and never eat it (I just have no reason to buy it, since I use oil or butter where butter is a better choice and don't need a spread). It's just the misinformation that bothers me. I might well like it better now, although I suspect I'd still resent it for not being butter. ;-)0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Joanna2012B wrote: »I was once told by a nutritionist to eat close to nature! So I choose butter, I could make my own at home if I wanted to. I can't say the same about Margarine. I made the switch to butter about 2 years ago!!
I can and do make my own margarine.
Yeah, I don't think some people understand what margarine is. At their most basic, butter is creamed milk, margarine is whipped oil. Margarine doesn't have to be partially hydrogenated, made in a factory full of evil chemists.
To be honest, if you'd asked me prior to this thread, I wouldn't have know there are so many different types of margarine. I knew there was one made with olive oil from commercials, and of course the standard 'OMG it's so fake' one. But otherwise, I've been so traumatized by the margarine I was served in the 80's I've stayed far, far away
LOL, yeah we had Parkay in the blue container. It was... interesting, now that I've expanded my tastes.
I have more positive memories about it though, because when I was very small and I was sick or upset about something my mom would let me have Saltines with margarine with half a can of Coke.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »michelle172415 wrote: »michelle172415 wrote: »You guys are really nitpicking here. What I think @melissa6771 is trying to get at is that butter is all natural; it's made from milk and sometimes salt. Whereas margarine was originally made in a lab and has lots of added ingredients, a lot of which some people prefer not to include in their diets, myself included.
Nothing says natural like grabbing the nipples of another species and yanking for all its worth in hopes you'll a liquid that you'll be able to pound it into a amorpheous solid food stuff that can withstand shipping across the country in a vehicle that is filled with pressurized coolant to create a temperature cooler than ambient. That's my idea of natural for sure.
For productivity's sake, can we use the term synthetic chemicals to denote the lab concept or kemikillz? I'm cool with either, though the later will give me more of a chuckle.
I get my Raw unpasteurized milk from a local farm that treats its animals humanely. My milk comes in glass, because BPA's, and I've taken to making my own butter which is stable at room temperature. But you know everything.
And just in case anyone wants to criticize my consumption of world dairy products, that is a personal decision and I don't need your input. My family can say is organic pasteurized milk so no worries there.
Funny that you'd bring up raw milk. Raw unpasteurized milk is pretty bad for you. About 150 times higher incidence rate of food related outbreaks because of it than treated milk.
http://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/nonpasteurized-outbreaks.html
But "natural" is so much better for you mhmm.
In my n=5, we had raw unpasteurized goat's milk for 14 years without it making us sick.
(I'm not arguing against pasteurization in large scale dairy operations.)0 -
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Would it be possible for the moderator to put this kind of post in as a rule when threads are moved to forums that have a different purpose? To kind of place a bookmark for where in a thread the rules changed?
This thread has brought that discussion up on our part. We are going to start leaving a note when it is moved.
Thank you!0
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