Am I getting bad advice from my gym?
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CatherineElizabeth13
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Everything I've read on here and online in general suggests that women should heavy lift.
The advice for woman as overweight as myself seem to be to lift heavy from the start, don't wait until you're close goal weight as it will help to prevent muscle loss through deficit eating and help with skin sagging.
Am I right so far?
So I had a discussion with the guy who owns my gym (his wife is a champion body builder). He told me he absolutely won't allow me to do high weight low reps as women should only do low weight high rep.
To me it seems a bit counter productive based on what I've read on here. And I'm not sure his wife would agree with his thinking on women lifting.
I would like to hear peoples thoughts.
The advice for woman as overweight as myself seem to be to lift heavy from the start, don't wait until you're close goal weight as it will help to prevent muscle loss through deficit eating and help with skin sagging.
Am I right so far?
So I had a discussion with the guy who owns my gym (his wife is a champion body builder). He told me he absolutely won't allow me to do high weight low reps as women should only do low weight high rep.
To me it seems a bit counter productive based on what I've read on here. And I'm not sure his wife would agree with his thinking on women lifting.
I would like to hear peoples thoughts.
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Find a new Gym0
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No, expert here, but I've read quite a bit and it sounds like B.S. That was the thinking back in the 1980s, when I was a spring chicken, but I believe it's mostly been refuted now. With the exception of the nutrition advice, I really liked the book New Rules of Lifting for Women. Not because the exercises for men and women are different but because it reiterates that there is no difference in the exercises.
I have about 50 pounds to go and I just started stronglifts. And I feel pretty good.0 -
CatherineElizabeth13 wrote: »Everything I've read on here and online in general suggests that women should heavy lift.
The advice for woman as overweight as myself seem to be to lift heavy from the start, don't wait until you're close goal weight as it will help to prevent muscle loss through deficit eating and help with skin sagging.
Am I right so far?
Yep!CatherineElizabeth13 wrote: »So I had a discussion with the guy who owns my gym (his wife is a champion body builder). He told me he absolutely won't allow me to do high weight low reps as women should only do low weight high rep.
To me it seems a bit counter productive based on what I've read on here. And I'm not sure his wife would agree with his thinking on women lifting.
I would like to hear peoples thoughts.
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No, expert here, but I've read quite a bit and it sounds like B.S. That was the thinking back in the 1980s, when I was a spring chicken, but I believe it's mostly been refuted now. With the exception of the nutrition advice, I really liked the book New Rules of Lifting for Women. Not because the exercises for men and women are different but because it reiterates that there is no difference in the exercises.
I have about 50 pounds to go and I just started stronglifts. And I feel pretty good.
I have that book, that's what I took with me to show him and he flicked through it and laughed.
I just want to use my gym time productively as it only have time for 3 sessions a week.0 -
He laughed? Patronizing *kitten*. find a new gym.0
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WTF. Given his wife's success, you'd think he'd be encouraging women to lift heavy!0
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Find out who trains his wife and use that person.0
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CatherineElizabeth13 wrote: »Everything I've read on here and online in general suggests that women should heavy lift.
The advice for woman as overweight as myself seem to be to lift heavy from the start, don't wait until you're close goal weight as it will help to prevent muscle loss through deficit eating and help with skin sagging.
Am I right so far?
So I had a discussion with the guy who owns my gym (his wife is a champion body builder). He told me he absolutely won't allow me to do high weight low reps as women should only do low weight high rep.
To me it seems a bit counter productive based on what I've read on here. And I'm not sure his wife would agree with his thinking on women lifting.
I would like to hear peoples thoughts.
Sounds like the typical meat head private gym owner. I highly doubt his wife was a champion body-builder doing light weight high rep exercises. Sounds like he just doesn't want another body using that squat rack. Find another gym, if that's not possible you don't have to take his advice. Go ahead do some research, find a structured plan and go for it.0 -
If you have the book, you don't need a trainer. Just get started on your own. Start light, add weight progressively.0
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Find a new gym.
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You don't need a trainer -- check out programs such as StrongLifts 5x5 (that's what I use) -- start lifting and increase as you can and keep lifting -- and lift heavy things, not those little pink dumbbells.0
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You really only need a session or two with a trainer. If that. Youtube can do wonders.0
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You don't have to train high weight low rep either. How low is your rep count?
I prefer staying between 12-16 myself, depending on what part of the body I am working.
But I do also enjoy tabata and other forms of exercise where I will squat with weight for 45 seconds not counting reps. And I have seen tremendous strength and endurance results from that approach as well.
He sounds condescending, and that sucks. But the thing about nutrition and fitness is that everyone thinks they have the perfect answer, and everyone else is wrong. On my fitness journey I have found that everyone is so different, that finding what your body reacts the best to, and finding what you LIKE to do is more important than anything else. Because if you're loving what you do, you will continue doing it, and that is what matters. Consistency above everything.
Also always keep in mind that nutrition, diets and fitness is an INDUSTRY. It is there to make money from people like us. So we have trends like HIGH REPS LOW REPS THIS KIND OF REPS THOSE THINGS UHHH LIFT HEAVY HEAVY HEAVY SQUAT SQUAT SQUAT. You know. While the most important thing is. Work out. Eat sensible. Find what you love. Live it. Become it!0 -
darrensurrey wrote: »WTF. Given his wife's success, you'd think he'd be encouraging women to lift heavy!
Not necessarily. Body builders typically lift in the Hypertrophy ranges 8-15 reps/set, and moderately heavy to do so.
Stronglifts is great for building strength, strength focused routines usually range from 1-6 reps on the top set. He is probably pro body builder and con power lifting. part of the reason could be that you can sell more training session via BB workouts as they can be complex, whereas power lifting (pure strength training) is much simpler, and can really only offer advice on form.0 -
The guy sounds like he is working on outdated ideas along the lines of low weight, high reps = toning. He also sounds remarkably unprofessional.
However...
It is clear you could get great physique and fitness results using a low weight, high rep programme (classically, anything up to 15 reps but I have seen suggestions recently that even up to 30 reps could work well - don't quote me on the exact rep range though as this is from memory).
Alternatively you could get great results from a high weight, low rep programme, a body weight programme, a kettlebell programme etc. You could also get great results from not doing any lifting right now and deferring it until you have lost a chunk of weight (given your starting weight is quite high according to what you tell us.)
The key here is not so much lifting heavy but rather working with resistance.
Up to you really as to what you would prefer, what you enjoy, what your ultimate goals are and what the most efficient means of achieving those goals would be.0 -
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....then go to a new gym. you're not working out there for free right? Why let him tell you what to do or not do?0 -
lillemeddy85 wrote: »You don't have to train high weight low rep either. How low is your rep count?
I prefer staying between 12-16 myself, depending on what part of the body I am working.
He insists that 25 reps is what needs to be done.
When I'm at home I use more than double the weight he has listed and do around 12 reps and that seems to make me feel like I've actually done something. But the thing I worry about at home is whether my form is okay.
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If your grocery bags, cooking pot, purse, toddler are heavier than the weights you're lifting, then I think there's a problem.0
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