Weight Training....
maryd4love
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I just read that you should do some weight training because it will build muscle and help you burn more fat. So.....what kind of weight training does everyone do and for how long each time.
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Check the second link in my signature. It sounds like a program for guys, but it works great for women as well. Starting out it only took me 20 minutes, but I'm now up to 45 minutes due to longer rest periods between sets. it is a 3 day a week program and really simple.0
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Yes replace fat with muscles and you will burn more calories while at rest. I have a total gym that I use 3-4 times a week for about 15 mins. You can also use those reisistance bands for a great strength training workout that is inexpensive. Best of luck to you:)0
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I just started doing strength training as well. This is a great 10 minute body circuit training, I think its a great start for those who aren't too intense with weight training. I love it so far. I also like to do crunches on top of the planks he does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ZQ4iBOFxQ0 -
Do you just do upper body weight training? I work my legs so much with everything else I do. I am afraid it might be muscle overload.0
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In the past I've done conventional body part splits in the gym (chest/back, shoulders/arms, legs) all on separate days 3-4 days a week for 45mins - 1 hour per session. Lately I've been doing exclusively bodyweight and kettlebell routines due to the fact that I have limited time and a new baby in the house. Choose a commitment level that's realistic for your situation. If you have a gym membership and can allot 1 hour a day to go to the gym then by all means do that but if you don't, just do some basic bodyweight excercises (squat, push-up, pull-up, planks, dips) at home. You'd be surprised at how much you can do with very little equipment. As I've gotten older it's become more important to choose excercises that I can commit to and be consistent with than it has to have the "perfect routine". Even the most perfect strength training routines are useless if you can't commit to doing them.
That being said, if you are new to strength training focus on compound movements using your whole body. You will see much better results than if you buy some dinky dumbbell and do a bunch of bicep curls and the increase in metabolism and functional strength will work wonders for your energy and weight loss.0 -
I do one to two hours of cardio a day and an hour of weight training. Should you start there? no. However be forewarned that for many of us it's addictive.0
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In the past I've done conventional body part splits in the gym (chest/back, shoulders/arms, legs) all on separate days 3-4 days a week for 45mins - 1 hour per session. Lately I've been doing exclusively bodyweight and kettlebell routines due to the fact that I have limited time and a new baby in the house. Choose a commitment level that's realistic for your situation. If you have a gym membership and can allot 1 hour a day to go to the gym then by all means do that but if you don't, just do some basic bodyweight excercises (squat, push-up, pull-up, planks, dips) at home. You'd be surprised at how much you can do with very little equipment. As I've gotten older it's become more important to choose excercises that I can commit to and be consistent with than it has to have the "perfect routine". Even the most perfect strength training routines are useless if you can't commit to doing them.
That being said, if you are new to strength training focus on compound movements using your whole body. You will see much better results than if you buy some dinky dumbbell and do a bunch of bicep curls and the increase in metabolism and functional strength will work wonders for your energy and weight loss.
I'm interest in what you're doing with the kettlebell....I have one and haven't gotten stuck into it yet.0 -
Do you just do upper body weight training? I work my legs so much with everything else I do. I am afraid it might be muscle overload.0
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Check the second link in my signature. It sounds like a program for guys, but it works great for women as well. Starting out it only took me 20 minutes, but I'm now up to 45 minutes due to longer rest periods between sets. it is a 3 day a week program and really simple.
Crossfit for the weight-lifting beginner, especially a 5x5? Probably not where she needs to be, boss. (Edit: I didn't click the link before. Trying to sell your advice on a message board? Nice)
To OP:
You do need a comprehensive plan to make sure you're working all of your muscles at every available angle. You can state with doing 3 sets of 15 reps on all of the weight machines at your local gym if you're brand new and have no lifting experience, which is where it sounds like you're at.
Get a personal trainer session (or several would be better for both of you) and have him/her take you through a very basic set of workouts that you can do on your own. You want to ask about working with dumbbells and barbells and fundamental motions where possible. The idea is to get your comfortable with basic program building and all of the equipment at the gym. Unfortunately, there is no one right answer here as you will constantly have to rejigger your workout plan every couple of months or so to keep your body guessing.0 -
Not to mention the body burns a lot more calories at rest. I just do weights at home, different routines and also have a DVD of weights and cardio mix. Seems to work.0
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Yes I just do upper body strength training. My legs get such a workout from the elliptical, exercise bike and treadmill plus my upper body is weak and need to tone more on my arms.
I would caution against just doing upper body stuff. Your legs are the biggest muscles in your body and by stimulating them with resistance training you are giving your metabolism a huge boost. The workouts you get from cardio type excercises are not doing the same thing as squats or lunges even though you are sore afterwards. But if you are doing a lot of lower body cardio on top of lower body training then it's best to spread them out so they don't fall on consecutive days to avoid feeling fatigued.0 -
I do weights after my cardio but I split it up. One day I do just upper body and then the next day I do lower.0
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I see a personal trainer and take what exercises he has me do and make my own routines. We do a total body routine during our sessions.. nothing too complicated. I fear that if it was, I wouldn't be able to do it on my own!0
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Do you just do upper body weight training? I work my legs so much with everything else I do. I am afraid it might be muscle overload.
I agree with omnisis, skipping legs is a mistake. Pushing heavier resistance is a different type of workout on your legs that you're not getting on an eliptical. If you're too tired after cardio to do legs then do your resistance training first. Since you haven't been working legs you'll experience some soreness and your cardio may suffer for a week but once your body adapts you'll feel better and your cardio will improve because you'll legs will be stronger.0 -
I see a personal trainer and take what exercises he has me do and make my own routines. We do a total body routine during our sessions.. nothing too complicated. I fear that if it was, I wouldn't be able to do it on my own!
Most gyms will offer at least a few free or reduced cost sessions so you can learn the machines and decide if you want to work weekly or every other week with a trainer.
I lift three times a week for 45 min to an hour depending on how I feel.0 -
I'm following the program in the book "The New Rules of Lifting for Women." Check it out at your local library or on Amazon. I bought it for around $10.
I lift 3 times per week and the workouts range from 30-45 minutes including the warm-ups. There are many women on MFP that are doing this program and we have our own thread. Very supportive bunch of ladies.
Lifting weights is the best! Good luck.0 -
I see a personal trainer and take what exercises he has me do and make my own routines. We do a total body routine during our sessions.. nothing too complicated. I fear that if it was, I wouldn't be able to do it on my own!
Most gyms will offer at least a few free or reduced cost sessions so you can learn the machines and decide if you want to work weekly or every other week with a trainer.
I lift three times a week for 45 min to an hour depending on how I feel.
From a personal trainer here: THANK YOU. It kills me to see people waste so much money on fads, memberships, videos, programs, magazines etc. when they really don't know what's right for them. And yet they won't invest in a trainer. There is no one perfect program. A good, reputable trainer will discuss all your time constraints, goals, support system, fitness options and more. A good trainer also knows his or her limits. Do not hire a trainer that puts you on a food program or supplements unless they are a registered dietician. They are breaking their sworn code of ethics and praciticing beyond their scope, if they do.0 -
I'm following the program in the book "The New Rules of Lifting for Women." Check it out at your local library or on Amazon. I bought it for around $10.
I lift 3 times per week and the workouts range from 30-45 minutes including the warm-ups. There are many women on MFP that are doing this program and we have our own thread. Very supportive bunch of ladies.
Lifting weights is the best! Good luck.
Completely agree. In fact whether you hire a trainer or not you should read this book before first. It will give you a good knowledge basis. Keep in mind that probably most of what you have seen people do in the gym with strength training is just wrong.
An good example are the people here telling you to just work your upper body. That is a recipe for disaster. So is working with most of the machines in the gym or doing isolation exercises. The corner stone of any good strength training program is the squat and deadlift. Your goal is towards exercises that parallel actual real world performance and work large muscle groups. Your small muscles (biceps, forearms, triceps, calves, etc.) will get plenty of work if you focus on multi-muscle exercises.
Pick up a copy of "The New Rules of Lifting for Women" and have fun.0 -
sorry, hate to harp, but machines serve their purpose too. I have several clients that want simple, so I teach them ways to use machines that truly are beneficial, and teach them how to add variety, without confusing the heck out of them.
It really depends on YOUR resources, YOUR orthopedic and medical concerns, YOUR attention span, YOUR learning curve. A book or video can be a place to educate yourself, but you can also get confused real fast by this author saying machines are bad, and this author saying you should just use body weight, and this author saying to use free weights. It can all be a bit overwhelming. And remember authors are trying to sell their books as something clearly unique. They are biased. A trainer can help you get past the bias and use good things from the sources you have studied, and steer you clear of things that aren't right for you.
Like others have said, the key is what will you be easily able to follow, progress with , and add variety with?
No book or video can substitute for proper feedback. So you are right to see what others are doing. Keep a list of what sounds interesting. Look at (don't do) some books and videos, THEN meet with a trainer, tell that person what you have been exposed to, what you have done in the past, what motivates you, what concerns you, and let the trainer guide you. Pay them for their expertise. They will consult with you for free, but don't expect them to give you a complete program for free. They might show you proper techniques for free, but a good trainer is not as expensive as you think, and worth a lot, when it comes to having things fine tuned.0 -
Check the second link in my signature. It sounds like a program for guys, but it works great for women as well. Starting out it only took me 20 minutes, but I'm now up to 45 minutes due to longer rest periods between sets. it is a 3 day a week program and really simple.
Crossfit for the weight-lifting beginner, especially a 5x5? Probably not where she needs to be, boss. (Edit: I didn't click the link before. Trying to sell your advice on a message board? Nice)
To OP:
You do need a comprehensive plan to make sure you're working all of your muscles at every available angle. You can state with doing 3 sets of 15 reps on all of the weight machines at your local gym if you're brand new and have no lifting experience, which is where it sounds like you're at.
Get a personal trainer session (or several would be better for both of you) and have him/her take you through a very basic set of workouts that you can do on your own. You want to ask about working with dumbbells and barbells and fundamental motions where possible. The idea is to get your comfortable with basic program building and all of the equipment at the gym. Unfortunately, there is no one right answer here as you will constantly have to rejigger your workout plan every couple of months or so to keep your body guessing.
Thanks for the advice!0 -
Do you just do upper body weight training? I work my legs so much with everything else I do. I am afraid it might be muscle overload.
Thanks!0 -
Thanks to everyone for the advice. There is a lot of information for me to think about. Thank you again!0
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sorry, hate to harp, but machines serve their purpose too. I have several clients that want simple, so I teach them ways to use machines that truly are beneficial, and teach them how to add variety, without confusing the heck out of them...
I am sorry but if a trainer advised me to use a nautilus style machine that would be indicator to get a new trainer. Obviously there some good machines such as the cable pull stations etc. but these tend to work more like a free weight in that they do not force a single path of movement or isolate a small muscle group. The fact is most machines do a lot of bad things including attempt focus on exercises for small muscle groups in isolation, force a single path of movement and in same cases place the lifter in jeopardy of physical harm (incline leg press being a great example).
What I find very alarming is the suggestion that beginners should start using these machines to avoid confusion? Why would you introduce someone to doing something the wrong way as a path to avoid confusion? Using these machines will not get them results they desire, involve a lot of wasted effort, may lead to potential injury and even worse will fail to develop a lot supporting muscles that are involved in normal free weight training whether that is with barbells or body weight. On top of all of that if they were just introduced to a smaller number of large muscle group exercise the would see full body results with fewer exercises and better results. To try to achieve the same thing with machines will require a lot more exercises and leads to the false idea that they need these machines to develop strength.
These machines are holdovers from the 70s and 80s and just do not match current training ideas or standards. The best most gyms could do would be to mothball them and open a lot more floor space for more productive use.0 -
sorry, hate to harp, but machines serve their purpose too. I have several clients that want simple, so I teach them ways to use machines that truly are beneficial, and teach them how to add variety, without confusing the heck out of them...
I am sorry but if a trainer advised me to use a nautilus style machine that would be indicator to get a new trainer. Obviously there some good machines such as the cable pull stations etc. but these tend to work more like a free weight in that they do not force a single path of movement or isolate a small muscle group. The fact is most machines do a lot of bad things including attempt focus on exercises for small muscle groups in isolation, force a single path of movement and in same cases place the lifter in jeopardy of physical harm (incline leg press being a great example).
What I find very alarming is the suggestion that beginners should start using these machines to avoid confusion? Why would you introduce someone to doing something the wrong way as a path to avoid confusion? Using these machines will not get them results they desire, involve a lot of wasted effort, may lead to potential injury and even worse will fail to develop a lot supporting muscles that are involved in normal free weight training whether that is with barbells or body weight. On top of all of that if they were just introduced to a smaller number of large muscle group exercise the would see full body results with fewer exercises and better results. To try to achieve the same thing with machines will require a lot more exercises and leads to the false idea that they need these machines to develop strength.
These machines are holdovers from the 70s and 80s and just do not match current training ideas or standards. The best most gyms could do would be to mothball them and open a lot more floor space for more productive use.
Completely agree. You get much more done in a lot less time using free weights. Also, do heavy weights for few reps and you will get toned a lot faster than light weight more reps.0 -
sorry, hate to harp, but machines serve their purpose too. I have several clients that want simple, so I teach them ways to use machines that truly are beneficial, and teach them how to add variety, without confusing the heck out of them...
I am sorry but if a trainer advised me to use a nautilus style machine that would be indicator to get a new trainer. Obviously there some good machines such as the cable pull stations etc. but these tend to work more like a free weight in that they do not force a single path of movement or isolate a small muscle group. The fact is most machines do a lot of bad things including attempt focus on exercises for small muscle groups in isolation, force a single path of movement and in same cases place the lifter in jeopardy of physical harm (incline leg press being a great example).
What I find very alarming is the suggestion that beginners should start using these machines to avoid confusion? Why would you introduce someone to doing something the wrong way as a path to avoid confusion? Using these machines will not get them results they desire, involve a lot of wasted effort, may lead to potential injury and even worse will fail to develop a lot supporting muscles that are involved in normal free weight training whether that is with barbells or body weight. On top of all of that if they were just introduced to a smaller number of large muscle group exercise the would see full body results with fewer exercises and better results. To try to achieve the same thing with machines will require a lot more exercises and leads to the false idea that they need these machines to develop strength.
These machines are holdovers from the 70s and 80s and just do not match current training ideas or standards. The best most gyms could do would be to mothball them and open a lot more floor space for more productive use.
Completely agree. You get much more done in a lot less time using free weights. Also, do heavy weights for few reps and you will get toned a lot faster than light weight more reps.
That's not entirely true, some muscles are denser in slow-twitch fibers and respond better to volume. Your rhomboids are a great example of this.0 -
I've read all the responses, and for me it boils down to personal preference. I do not do a lot of free weights, squats or lunges - my legs just won't take it. I do use many of the machines and hand weights and have had great success working with a trainer on my technique and switching up to include new routines. I don't do a ton of heavy weights - my preference is medium weight with more reps. To each their own, but feel strongly that a newby should see out advice from someone who knows what they are doing to prevent injury and get encouragment and education.0
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sorry, hate to harp, but machines serve their purpose too. I have several clients that want simple, so I teach them ways to use machines that truly are beneficial, and teach them how to add variety, without confusing the heck out of them...
I am sorry but if a trainer advised me to use a nautilus style machine that would be indicator to get a new trainer. Obviously there some good machines such as the cable pull stations etc. but these tend to work more like a free weight in that they do not force a single path of movement or isolate a small muscle group. The fact is most machines do a lot of bad things including attempt focus on exercises for small muscle groups in isolation, force a single path of movement and in same cases place the lifter in jeopardy of physical harm (incline leg press being a great example).
What I find very alarming is the suggestion that beginners should start using these machines to avoid confusion? Why would you introduce someone to doing something the wrong way as a path to avoid confusion? Using these machines will not get them results they desire, involve a lot of wasted effort, may lead to potential injury and even worse will fail to develop a lot supporting muscles that are involved in normal free weight training whether that is with barbells or body weight. On top of all of that if they were just introduced to a smaller number of large muscle group exercise the would see full body results with fewer exercises and better results. To try to achieve the same thing with machines will require a lot more exercises and leads to the false idea that they need these machines to develop strength.
These machines are holdovers from the 70s and 80s and just do not match current training ideas or standards. The best most gyms could do would be to mothball them and open a lot more floor space for more productive use.
I don't have old equipment. And I have never had Nautilus equipment. You don't know what I have. My machines work the muscles on a 3 pulley system to work like free weights. But there are some pulling type exercises that can best be done with pulleys, verses weights. I don't put all beginners on just machines. I'm sorry if you thought that's what I meant. What I do have is 22 years experience, and updated constantly with the most up to date information. I know a thing or two about body mechanics and how to deal with people who cannot even stand, and help them be their best. My oldest client is 96. My youngest is 11. I have people who are in their 80's doing full body weight pushups. My average client at my gym is 65 years old. And I have them doing whatever is appropriate for them. I use a combination of many types of exercise. And I occasionally give my advice for free here. If you want a trainer that promotes only one type of exercise, and that exercise is good for you, because you believe in it, then go for it, but I am a trainer that really listens to all my customers' concerns and selects exercises and equipment that will work for them.
And I would kindly ask you to not insult me as a trainer, when I am simply trying to give this poster some objective advice, based on 22 years of updated experience. I would NEVER steer a "beginner" down the wrong path. And to say that because I find the simple mechanics in certain machines (that are very effective) less intimidating to some folks, means I'm training them wrong is WRONG itself. I have trained hundreds of clients over the years, and no two programs have ever been identical to each other. That's why I am a PERSONAL trainer. Everybody can be fit, but one program does NOT fit every body.
What makes a trainer good, is not just the body mechanic knowledge he or she posseses, but the ability to read the client's needs. That's why I told the poster to meet with a good trainer. Hopefully, she can find someone knowledgable who will truly get to know her, and help her sift through all this well meant advice.0 -
sorry, hate to harp, but machines serve their purpose too. I have several clients that want simple, so I teach them ways to use machines that truly are beneficial, and teach them how to add variety, without confusing the heck out of them...
I am sorry but if a trainer advised me to use a nautilus style machine that would be indicator to get a new trainer. Obviously there some good machines such as the cable pull stations etc. but these tend to work more like a free weight in that they do not force a single path of movement or isolate a small muscle group. The fact is most machines do a lot of bad things including attempt focus on exercises for small muscle groups in isolation, force a single path of movement and in same cases place the lifter in jeopardy of physical harm (incline leg press being a great example).
What I find very alarming is the suggestion that beginners should start using these machines to avoid confusion? Why would you introduce someone to doing something the wrong way as a path to avoid confusion? Using these machines will not get them results they desire, involve a lot of wasted effort, may lead to potential injury and even worse will fail to develop a lot supporting muscles that are involved in normal free weight training whether that is with barbells or body weight. On top of all of that if they were just introduced to a smaller number of large muscle group exercise the would see full body results with fewer exercises and better results. To try to achieve the same thing with machines will require a lot more exercises and leads to the false idea that they need these machines to develop strength.
These machines are holdovers from the 70s and 80s and just do not match current training ideas or standards. The best most gyms could do would be to mothball them and open a lot more floor space for more productive use.
I don't have old equipment. And I have never had Nautilus equipment. You don't know what I have. My machines work the muscles on a 3 pulley system to work like free weights. But there are some pulling type exercises that can best be done with pulleys, verses weights. I don't put all beginners on just machines. I'm sorry if you thought that's what I meant. What I do have is 22 years experience, and updated constantly with the most up to date information. I know a thing or two about body mechanics and how to deal with people who cannot even stand, and help them be their best. My oldest client is 96. My youngest is 11. I have people who are in their 80's doing full body weight pushups. My average client at my gym is 65 years old. And I have them doing whatever is appropriate for them. I use a combination of many types of exercise. And I occasionally give my advice for free here. If you want a trainer that promotes only one type of exercise, and that exercise is good for you, because you believe in it, then go for it, but I am a trainer that really listens to all my customers' concerns and selects exercises and equipment that will work for them.
And I would kindly ask you to not insult me as a trainer, when I am simply trying to give this poster some objective advice, based on 22 years of updated experience. I would NEVER steer a "beginner" down the wrong path. And to say that because I find the simple mechanics in certain machines (that are very effective) less intimidating to some folks, means I'm training them wrong is WRONG itself. I have trained hundreds of clients over the years, and no two programs have ever been identical to each other. That's why I am a PERSONAL trainer. Everybody can be fit, but one program does NOT fit every body.
What makes a trainer good, is not just the body mechanic knowledge he or she posseses, but the ability to read the client's needs. That's why I told the poster to meet with a good trainer. Hopefully, she can find someone knowledgable who will truly get to know her, and help her sift through all this well meant advice.
What??? You don't have your 96 year old doing power snatches from the floor??? I kid of course...0 -
sorry, hate to harp, but machines serve their purpose too. I have several clients that want simple, so I teach them ways to use machines that truly are beneficial, and teach them how to add variety, without confusing the heck out of them...
I am sorry but if a trainer advised me to use a nautilus style machine that would be indicator to get a new trainer. Obviously there some good machines such as the cable pull stations etc. but these tend to work more like a free weight in that they do not force a single path of movement or isolate a small muscle group. The fact is most machines do a lot of bad things including attempt focus on exercises for small muscle groups in isolation, force a single path of movement and in same cases place the lifter in jeopardy of physical harm (incline leg press being a great example).
What I find very alarming is the suggestion that beginners should start using these machines to avoid confusion? Why would you introduce someone to doing something the wrong way as a path to avoid confusion? Using these machines will not get them results they desire, involve a lot of wasted effort, may lead to potential injury and even worse will fail to develop a lot supporting muscles that are involved in normal free weight training whether that is with barbells or body weight. On top of all of that if they were just introduced to a smaller number of large muscle group exercise the would see full body results with fewer exercises and better results. To try to achieve the same thing with machines will require a lot more exercises and leads to the false idea that they need these machines to develop strength.
These machines are holdovers from the 70s and 80s and just do not match current training ideas or standards. The best most gyms could do would be to mothball them and open a lot more floor space for more productive use.
I don't have old equipment. And I have never had Nautilus equipment. You don't know what I have. My machines work the muscles on a 3 pulley system to work like free weights. But there are some pulling type exercises that can best be done with pulleys, verses weights. I don't put all beginners on just machines. I'm sorry if you thought that's what I meant. What I do have is 22 years experience, and updated constantly with the most up to date information. I know a thing or two about body mechanics and how to deal with people who cannot even stand, and help them be their best. My oldest client is 96. My youngest is 11. I have people who are in their 80's doing full body weight pushups. My average client at my gym is 65 years old. And I have them doing whatever is appropriate for them. I use a combination of many types of exercise. And I occasionally give my advice for free here. If you want a trainer that promotes only one type of exercise, and that exercise is good for you, because you believe in it, then go for it, but I am a trainer that really listens to all my customers' concerns and selects exercises and equipment that will work for them.
And I would kindly ask you to not insult me as a trainer, when I am simply trying to give this poster some objective advice, based on 22 years of updated experience. I would NEVER steer a "beginner" down the wrong path. And to say that because I find the simple mechanics in certain machines (that are very effective) less intimidating to some folks, means I'm training them wrong is WRONG itself. I have trained hundreds of clients over the years, and no two programs have ever been identical to each other. That's why I am a PERSONAL trainer. Everybody can be fit, but one program does NOT fit every body.
What makes a trainer good, is not just the body mechanic knowledge he or she posseses, but the ability to read the client's needs. That's why I told the poster to meet with a good trainer. Hopefully, she can find someone knowledgable who will truly get to know her, and help her sift through all this well meant advice.
What??? You don't have your 96 year old doing power snatches from the floor??? I kid of course...
@ JNick77. Ha ha....No, he doesn't do power snatches from the floor, and he can barely get his arms above his head. But his mind is alert, and he fights his arthritis with a vengeance. He faithfully executes and works hard with every task I give him. He shows up an hour and a half early for his session every week because that's the only time he can get his bus to drop him off there. His wife used to come with him up until 3 days before she suddenly died. They are great people. I live in a retirement town, so I do have a lot of older active adults. Many of them have fitness levels that would put most 30 year olds to shame. And we also have a good amount of younger folks too. I could share a lot of amazing stories.
But thanks for making my day, by the way!0
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