"The End of Dieting" - and Toxic Hunger

jessicastanfill
jessicastanfill Posts: 69 Member
in Food and Nutrition
I just finished reading "The End of Dieting" by Joel Fuhrman.
and I'm really confused about Toxic Hunger. Whoever has read this, can you please explain to me the difference between "Toxic hunger" and hunger? If you can describe the difference as you've experienced it.....I'm pretty sure I'm hungry right now, don't know if it's real hunger according to his definition??
THanks! :)

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  • MommyL2015
    MommyL2015 Posts: 1,411 Member
    The only thing you need to know is that Joel Fuhrman is a regular on Dr. Oz, so anything he says is most likely utter crap.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    It's a BS term made up to scare people into following his plan.
  • SarcasmIsMyLoveLanguage
    SarcasmIsMyLoveLanguage Posts: 2,668 Member
    Toxic Hunger? WTF?
    brb....Googling
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    SarcasmIsMyLoveLanguage wrote: »
    Toxic Hunger? WTF?
    brb....Googling

    It's truly ridiculous.
  • SarcasmIsMyLoveLanguage
    SarcasmIsMyLoveLanguage Posts: 2,668 Member
    MommyL2015 wrote: »
    The only thing you need to know is that Joel Fuhrman is a regular on Dr. Oz, so anything he says is most likely utter crap.

    And a world-class figure skater, according to his bio.
  • tincanonastring
    tincanonastring Posts: 3,944 Member
    I just read his stupid blog and I can actually feel my intelligence being sucked out through my eyeballs.
    Toxic hunger is the group of symptoms a person experiences as our body mobilizes toxic wastes for elimination.

    When our diet is low in nutrients, we build up intra-cellular waste products. So when digestion stops, our body goes through a period of “cleaning.” Meaning our tissues release toxic substances into circulation for removal. Our cells can harbor toxic products that will eventually make us sick.

    These uncomfortable “detox symptoms” occur after a meal is digested and the digestive track is empty. We start to feel shaky, head-achy, weak, get abdominal cramps or spasms, which we believe are hunger symptoms because they are relieved by eating.

    What a load of toxic BS.
  • rileysowner
    rileysowner Posts: 8,327 Member
    It is, as people said, a term meant to scare people into using his program. He is yet another "woo" peddler.
  • tulips_and_tea
    tulips_and_tea Posts: 5,741 Member
    tincanonastring wrote: »
    I just read his stupid blog and I can actually feel my intelligence being sucked out through my eyeballs.
    Toxic hunger is the group of symptoms a person experiences as our body mobilizes toxic wastes for elimination.

    When our diet is low in nutrients, we build up intra-cellular waste products. So when digestion stops, our body goes through a period of “cleaning.” Meaning our tissues release toxic substances into circulation for removal. Our cells can harbor toxic products that will eventually make us sick.

    These uncomfortable “detox symptoms” occur after a meal is digested and the digestive track is empty. We start to feel shaky, head-achy, weak, get abdominal cramps or spasms, which we believe are hunger symptoms because they are relieved by eating.

    What a load of toxic BS.

    Yep, and yet I can think of a few people IRL that I know would believe this. Guess they aren't the only ones.

    Problem is there is so much bad and untrue information out there it's hard to know what to believe, particularly when you're still in the mode of looking for a "magic pill" or quick fix.
  • tincanonastring
    tincanonastring Posts: 3,944 Member
    I just assume that if someone is trying to separate me from my money, that it's a scam (other than the gym and my grocer).
  • goldthistime
    goldthistime Posts: 3,213 Member
    I'm also not a fan of Fuhrman. He lives in a world separate from science.
  • ReaderGirl3
    ReaderGirl3 Posts: 868 Member
    MommyL2015 wrote: »
    The only thing you need to know is that Joel Fuhrman is a regular on Dr. Oz, so anything he says is most likely utter crap.

    Pretty much this.

  • Panda_brat
    Panda_brat Posts: 291 Member
    Toxic hunger, sounds like a bad guy on Aqua Teen hunger force. kwskn73jxmln.jpg
  • SolotoCEO
    SolotoCEO Posts: 293 Member
    Eat as clean as possible - fresh fruits and veggies, lean meats, whole grains. He refers to the processed foods as being the toxic - high calorie, low nutritional value. If you are hungry - eat! Just make smart choices.
  • concordancia
    concordancia Posts: 5,320 Member
    I recognize much of that woo from research into water fasting. Is he recommending extended fasts, as well?
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,281 Member
    SolotoCEO wrote: »
    Eat as clean as possible - fresh fruits and veggies, lean meats, whole grains. He refers to the processed foods as being the toxic - high calorie, low nutritional value. If you are hungry - eat! Just make smart choices.

    Some ( not all) processed foods may be high calorie, low nutrition but, no, they are not toxic.
  • corgicake
    corgicake Posts: 846 Member
    The only people who can use the word 'toxic' and still get taken seriously by me are those folks that get called if the rugrat ate or drank something that definitely isn't a grocery item.
  • eldamiano
    eldamiano Posts: 2,667 Member
    Toxic hunger is when you are radioactive. Hunger is when you are hungry....
  • abadvat
    abadvat Posts: 1,241 Member
    toxic hunger where i come from are munchies... get baked - get toxic hunger!
  • kommodevaran
    kommodevaran Posts: 17,890 Member
    You can eat and eat and eat and get all the calories you need (and gain lots of weight) and still be hungry if you don't get enough of all the nutrients you need. You can also experience cravings for junk even though you are eating properly. This is the general idea, and it's valid. But the term is not good in combination with all the mumbo jumbo and fearmongering. Don't listen to that. (Don't take the joking about it too seriously either.) Just eat a well-rounded diet, appropriately portioned to your needs, and don't worry so much.
  • WinoGelato
    WinoGelato Posts: 13,454 Member
    tincanonastring wrote: »
    I just read his stupid blog and I can actually feel my intelligence being sucked out through my eyeballs.
    Toxic hunger is the group of symptoms a person experiences as our body mobilizes toxic wastes for elimination.

    When our diet is low in nutrients, we build up intra-cellular waste products. So when digestion stops, our body goes through a period of “cleaning.” Meaning our tissues release toxic substances into circulation for removal. Our cells can harbor toxic products that will eventually make us sick.

    These uncomfortable “detox symptoms” occur after a meal is digested and the digestive track is empty. We start to feel shaky, head-achy, weak, get abdominal cramps or spasms, which we believe are hunger symptoms because they are relieved by eating.

    What a load of toxic BS.

    That sounds like toxic logic...
  • jessicastanfill
    jessicastanfill Posts: 69 Member
    some of these responses are hilarious :):) THANK YOU
  • Jruzer
    Jruzer Posts: 3,501 Member
    SolotoCEO wrote: »
    Eat as clean as possible - fresh fruits and veggies, lean meats, whole grains. He refers to the processed foods as being the toxic - high calorie, low nutritional value. If you are hungry - eat! Just make smart choices.

    I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with the bolded sentence above.
  • Jleigh225
    Jleigh225 Posts: 49 Member
    So according to Joel Fuhrman if I eat energy balls and a multi vitamin, I will be completely satiated? ALL THE NUTRIENTS
  • tincanonastring
    tincanonastring Posts: 3,944 Member
    But I don't wanna eat balls!
  • queenliz99
    queenliz99 Posts: 15,317 Member
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  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    Does toxic hunger result in an illegal smile?
  • OneTwentyThree
    OneTwentyThree Posts: 186 Member
    edited April 2016
    I fell into the trap and tried the diet he is promoting. Its basically a low calorie vegan diet and i dont understand how others become vegan, I felt really awful. Yes he was right I stopped feeling hunger but I also felt such low energy that my body probably didnt even care about hunger any more. No idea how people do long term veganism.

    If you read the book reviews people claim it really works for them, I just dont get it. Its like a book on how to have an eating disorder.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    OneTwentyThree wrote: »
    I fell into the trap and tried the diet he is promoting. Its basically a low calorie vegan diet and i dont understand how others become vegan, I felt really awful. Yes he was right I stopped feeling hunger but I also felt such low energy that my body probably didnt even care about hunger any more. No idea how people do long term veganism.

    If you read the book reviews people claim it really works for them, I just dont get it. Its like a book on how to have an eating disorder.

    Because most vegans don't eat anything like what he prescribes. I've been vegan for ten years . . . I eat "toxic" foods, cooked foods, fat, sweet stuff, an adequate number of calories.

    The key to happy and healthy veganism is not to add a bunch of additional restrictions that don't have anything to do with avoiding animal exploitation and suffering.
  • OneTwentyThree
    OneTwentyThree Posts: 186 Member
    edited April 2016
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    OneTwentyThree wrote: »
    I fell into the trap and tried the diet he is promoting. Its basically a low calorie vegan diet and i dont understand how others become vegan, I felt really awful. Yes he was right I stopped feeling hunger but I also felt such low energy that my body probably didnt even care about hunger any more. No idea how people do long term veganism.

    If you read the book reviews people claim it really works for them, I just dont get it. Its like a book on how to have an eating disorder.

    Because most vegans don't eat anything like what he prescribes. I've been vegan for ten years . . . I eat "toxic" foods, cooked foods, fat, sweet stuff, an adequate number of calories.

    The key to happy and healthy veganism is not to add a bunch of additional restrictions that don't have anything to do with avoiding animal exploitation and suffering.

    Yea the issue with the diet probably wasnt the vegan part but the part that he eliminates fats, 0 salt, and very little carbs besides veggies. His veganism however has nothing to do with animal exploitation but its just a way he claims is healthier to eat.
    I think his book should come with a warning that this doesnt work for everyone. I had 0 energy to exercise.
    Also vegans end up having to take supplements that they miss out from meat.. In diets promoting veganism there should be a chapter dedicated to teaching this and advising how to get all necessary vitamins. And also what amount of protein is considered adequate and how to get it.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    OneTwentyThree wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    OneTwentyThree wrote: »
    I fell into the trap and tried the diet he is promoting. Its basically a low calorie vegan diet and i dont understand how others become vegan, I felt really awful. Yes he was right I stopped feeling hunger but I also felt such low energy that my body probably didnt even care about hunger any more. No idea how people do long term veganism.

    If you read the book reviews people claim it really works for them, I just dont get it. Its like a book on how to have an eating disorder.

    Because most vegans don't eat anything like what he prescribes. I've been vegan for ten years . . . I eat "toxic" foods, cooked foods, fat, sweet stuff, an adequate number of calories.

    The key to happy and healthy veganism is not to add a bunch of additional restrictions that don't have anything to do with avoiding animal exploitation and suffering.

    Yea the issue with the diet probably wasnt the vegan part but the part that he eliminates fats, 0 salt, and very little carbs besides veggies.
    I think his book should come with a warning that this doesnt work for everyone. I had 0 energy to exercise.
    Also vegans end up having to take supplements that miss out from meat.. In diets promoting veganism there should be a chapter dedicated to teaching this and advising how to get all necessary vitamins. And also what amount of protein is considered adequate and how to get it.

    The issue definitely wasn't the veganism, it was the additional restrictions. It's very difficult to get adequate calories, fat, and protein on his plan and the food you are eating isn't that enjoyable.

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