Dr McDougall way of eating

psulemon wrote: »

Skinnybetcher wrote: »

Ketosis is not actually good for you though. Also as far as atkins and keto diets go, I have yet to meet anyone keep their weight off LONG TERM with these diets as it IS possible to have metabolic damage due to restricting your carbs. I am someone who has had to deal with metabolic damage over the last few years from following extremely low carb diets. Now at the end of the day, you have to do what works best for you - so I'm not trying to put anyone down who enjoys or follows a low carb diet. If that's what you like, then that's what matters. With high carb vegan diets, these are supposed to be long term solutions, not short term. You can look at people like Freelee and "HighCarbHannah" on YouTube, who have achieved long term, excellent results from following Mcdougall style diets. But for MOST people, they are not realistic to follow. As a New Yorker, I'm not going to back out of having my NY style pizza. And no, Daiya pizza and vegan style pizza's simply do not cut it. Secondly, I believe that "soy" based products are actually worse for you than consuming meat. Soy protein isolate for instance, is much more cancerous than meat. So unless you're ONLY consuming whole plant foods which are literally just fruit, nuts, avocados, vegetables, legumes, and rice...it's not going to put you at "less of a risk" for cancer. Variety is the spice of life, and I don't think restricting yourself to only certain groups of foods, no matter what diet you follow - is the answer

Oh and about meat being linked to cancer... It's not JUST meat. I do know someone who reversed her cancer completely with a raw food diet. So yes...food can definitely play a huge role in our health. But it isn't fair to say meat is the only and number one cause. Most people, particularly Americans- aren't active. On top of that, because our food is highly processed it's easy to over consume. So if you're going to over consume AND not exercise to burn those calories off, of course it's possible to get cancer and all sorts of diseases. But we have to take into account other factors too, like genetics.

First, there are only a few studies that would suggest a lot of processed red meat has been linked to some cancers, but considering there are tons of varieties of cancers, ones diet is will play less of a roll than you think. Genetics will play a much larger roll. My family and my wife's family have been meat and potatoes types their entire life (English and Irish respectively) and its very typical to see our members live into their 90s (in fact, my overweight great uncle just past away at 96 years old).

Youtube people like Freelee are not people you should follow considering they know nothing about nutrition and mainly spout nonsense. Freelee has maintained her weight loss because she is a long distance cyclist. And if you cycle as much as her, you could be skinny on any diet.


Out of curiosity, how did Keto or low carb cause you metabolic damage. There are tons of people who have been in long term states of ketosis and are healthy.

Skinnybetcher wrote: »

psulemon wrote: »

Skinnybetcher wrote: »

Ketosis is not actually good for you though. Also as far as atkins and keto diets go, I have yet to meet anyone keep their weight off LONG TERM with these diets as it IS possible to have metabolic damage due to restricting your carbs. I am someone who has had to deal with metabolic damage over the last few years from following extremely low carb diets. Now at the end of the day, you have to do what works best for you - so I'm not trying to put anyone down who enjoys or follows a low carb diet. If that's what you like, then that's what matters. With high carb vegan diets, these are supposed to be long term solutions, not short term. You can look at people like Freelee and "HighCarbHannah" on YouTube, who have achieved long term, excellent results from following Mcdougall style diets. But for MOST people, they are not realistic to follow. As a New Yorker, I'm not going to back out of having my NY style pizza. And no, Daiya pizza and vegan style pizza's simply do not cut it. Secondly, I believe that "soy" based products are actually worse for you than consuming meat. Soy protein isolate for instance, is much more cancerous than meat. So unless you're ONLY consuming whole plant foods which are literally just fruit, nuts, avocados, vegetables, legumes, and rice...it's not going to put you at "less of a risk" for cancer. Variety is the spice of life, and I don't think restricting yourself to only certain groups of foods, no matter what diet you follow - is the answer

Oh and about meat being linked to cancer... It's not JUST meat. I do know someone who reversed her cancer completely with a raw food diet. So yes...food can definitely play a huge role in our health. But it isn't fair to say meat is the only and number one cause. Most people, particularly Americans- aren't active. On top of that, because our food is highly processed it's easy to over consume. So if you're going to over consume AND not exercise to burn those calories off, of course it's possible to get cancer and all sorts of diseases. But we have to take into account other factors too, like genetics.

First, there are only a few studies that would suggest a lot of processed red meat has been linked to some cancers, but considering there are tons of varieties of cancers, ones diet is will play less of a roll than you think. Genetics will play a much larger roll. My family and my wife's family have been meat and potatoes types their entire life (English and Irish respectively) and its very typical to see our members live into their 90s (in fact, my overweight great uncle just past away at 96 years old).

Youtube people like Freelee are not people you should follow considering they know nothing about nutrition and mainly spout nonsense. Freelee has maintained her weight loss because she is a long distance cyclist. And if you cycle as much as her, you could be skinny on any diet.


Out of curiosity, how did Keto or low carb cause you metabolic damage. There are tons of people who have been in long term states of ketosis and are healthy.

Yes absolutely, I agree that of course genetics is really important too! There's lots of people who live up to even 100 who consume lots of red meats. Right - in order to eat those types of foods - super high carb...you can't really get away with that without doing a lot of cycling. You can meet almost every single nutritional need through eating a high carb plant based diet, but still vitamin B12 will always be deficient. (Unless you consume nutritional yeast, but I'm not sure if that B12 will even absorb into the body or not).

As far as the metabolic damage goes, I would say the number one reason I did have that is due to my large calorie restriction, and because I was reducing my carbs to pretty much 0 carbs per day. I was consuming anywhere from 800-1000 calories. I'm 5'2. I need at LEAST 1,200 calories per day, assuming that I'm not even exercising. On the low carb diet I was running about 30 minutes-1 hour a day. So I put my body into starvation mode after I went off it. No matter how much exercise, calorie counting I did - I simply gained weight.

But luckily I'm not struggling with this anymore and my body has adjusted to allowing me to eat more calories + exercise and it is now finally resulting in weight loss. This was just my experience though.

JoRocka wrote: »

rainbowbow wrote: »

I personally don't see anything wrong with eating a plant based diet primarily rich in starchy vegetables.

The distinct lack of meats is what does it for me.

But I'm all for people doing whatever works for them.