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worth watching - Sugar: The Bitter Truth
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perkymommy wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »perkymommy wrote: »"Super Size Me" is another good one for those who eat a lot of fast food.
And then there's John Cisna who showed that guy was full of *kitten* because he purposely overate to an extreme degree.
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-lose-weight-eating-only-mcdonalds-2015-10?IR=T
Maybe I should make a documentary of me eating only homecooked meals and grossly overeating them until I'm fat. There's good money in fearmongering.
IMO, it's the idea that it's not good food to be eating. I know eating it every single meal isn't typical of what people really do
If you knew the story behind all that crap is prepared in factories you wouldn't eat it. But yes, I realize that man took it to the extreme. And the really overweight/obese people don't get that way eating only home cooked meals. If you believe that then you are being fooled. Processed foods maybe, but mostly fast foods.
My family tree is full of overweight/obese people, many who never ate fast food (because it wasn't even available back in the 'good old days'). My great-grandma use to boast that she'd never had pizza in her life. She died overweight.
You gain weight by eating over your maintenance calories. Not because you eat fast food. You can definitely become overweight by eating only 'healthy'/'clean'/'whole' foods, if you're eating too much of it.
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hence those post from people asking why they are not losing weight etc, most know, but not everyone and then those that do want to lose weight, not all of them have that motivation and need that push
at the end of the day, pretty much everything is about money/profit
even fitbit
But what does that have to do with the video you posted above regarding sugar?0 -
You say it is just the simple case of burning more than you eat, nobody is denying that, I'm pretty sure everyone knows that
If you read this site for a while (or many other weight loss forums and gurus on the internet) you will be disabused of that charming but overly optimistic idea.however, if it was really that simple, there would be no need for fitbit, gyms, this site and many other health sites
Why? These are all aids in moving more (increasing CO) or monitoring how much you eat (CI).those ripoff lose weight tablets/meds/drinks etc
Many people will always want a solution that requires no work or changes, that promise you can continue to sit on the couch and eat as much as you want and magically be thin. Heck, I love to exercise, and yet if you told me I could pay $20 and always be the perfect weight, no matter what, I'd really wish you weren't lying to me (although I'd know you were).there would be no overweight/obese people
Sure there would. Simple and logical doesn't mean easy, and if something requires work or sacrifice or a lifestyle change, lots of people are going to decide it's not worth it.
If what you are saying is that accurate or not the documentary could be motivational for some people, I'm sure it could be.0 -
perkymommy wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »perkymommy wrote: »"Super Size Me" is another good one for those who eat a lot of fast food.
And then there's John Cisna who showed that guy was full of *kitten* because he purposely overate to an extreme degree.
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-lose-weight-eating-only-mcdonalds-2015-10?IR=T
Maybe I should make a documentary of me eating only homecooked meals and grossly overeating them until I'm fat. There's good money in fearmongering.
IMO, it's the idea that it's not good food to be eating. I know eating it every single meal isn't typical of what people really do If you knew the story behind all that crap is prepared in factories you wouldn't eat it. But yes, I realize that man took it to the extreme. And the really overweight/obese people don't get that way eating only home cooked meals. If you believe that then you are being fooled. Processed foods maybe, but mostly fast foods.
My maternal grandmother and both my maternal great-grandmothers were all obese, and they were farm women, who grew, raised, killed, eviscerated, plucked, milked, churned, canned, and cooked the vast majority of the food they ate for pretty much all of their adult lives (OK, their husbands butchered the pigs and cows, and they bought things like flour, coffee, and sugar from the store), without electricity at all in the case of the older generation, and electricity only from middle-age on in the case of my grandmother. Laundry done with a hand-agitated tub and a hand-turned wringer.
But I guess I'm just being fooled, and they were running out to the (non-existent) McDonalds after the cows and chickens went to bed.0 -
You only watched the first 10 minutes but you think it's worth watching for everyone else?
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I've not watched the whole thing, just the first 10 mins or so
I just thought it would help motivate/push those struggling to lose weight
You say it is just the simple case of burning more than you eat, nobody is denying that,
so instead of just saying no it is not worth watching, why not post one or something that will help those that are struggling to lose weight etc
but before you think I am attacking you and go on the offensive, don't bother, that is not my intention
I just want to help those struggling, which is the whole point of fitbit and this forum
Your intentions are golden, but the reception is not always that warm around here. The CICO advice plays like a broken record around here, but it is very old advice that hasn't helped many people for decades. People need better help then being slammed in a forum that is suppose to support people.
I personally had to change my beliefs about food entirely before I could start really losing weight and getting healthy. Even had to relearn how to cook. The CICO approach failed me many times. It wasn't until I dumped this outdated POV that I began to succeed. Instead of looking at food as if all calories are the exact same, look at food from a nutritional view. When you do this foods like refined sugars, fast foods, and artificial additives don't look so appetizing anymore. I also read a ton about insulin spikes and the role of hormones, which made a lot more sense then a bunch of internet guys implying I (and others here) are just stupid and doing it wrong. Stay strong, join a group here that focuses on clean eating or whatever preference you prefer, and ignore the main boards for advice.
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KarlynKeto wrote: »I've not watched the whole thing, just the first 10 mins or so
I just thought it would help motivate/push those struggling to lose weight
You say it is just the simple case of burning more than you eat, nobody is denying that,
so instead of just saying no it is not worth watching, why not post one or something that will help those that are struggling to lose weight etc
but before you think I am attacking you and go on the offensive, don't bother, that is not my intention
I just want to help those struggling, which is the whole point of fitbit and this forum
Your intentions are golden, but the reception is not always that warm around here. The CICO advice plays like a broken record around here, but it is very old advice that hasn't helped many people for decades. People need better help then being slammed in a forum that is suppose to support people.
I personally had to change my beliefs about food entirely before I could start really losing weight and getting healthy. Even had to relearn how to cook. The CICO approach failed me many times. It wasn't until I dumped this outdated POV that I began to succeed. Instead of looking at food as if all calories are the exact same, look at food from a nutritional view. When you do this foods like refined sugars, fast foods, and artificial additives don't look so appetizing anymore. I also read a ton about insulin spikes and the role of hormones, which made a lot more sense then a bunch of internet guys implying I (and others here) are just stupid and doing it wrong. Stay strong, join a group here that focuses on clean eating or whatever preference you prefer, and ignore the main boards for advice.
Or get informed and make your own decisions. Sorry CICO didn't work for you.0 -
KarlynKeto wrote: »I've not watched the whole thing, just the first 10 mins or so
I just thought it would help motivate/push those struggling to lose weight
You say it is just the simple case of burning more than you eat, nobody is denying that,
so instead of just saying no it is not worth watching, why not post one or something that will help those that are struggling to lose weight etc
but before you think I am attacking you and go on the offensive, don't bother, that is not my intention
I just want to help those struggling, which is the whole point of fitbit and this forum
Your intentions are golden, but the reception is not always that warm around here. The CICO advice plays like a broken record around here, but it is very old advice that hasn't helped many people for decades. People need better help then being slammed in a forum that is suppose to support people.
I personally had to change my beliefs about food entirely before I could start really losing weight and getting healthy. Even had to relearn how to cook. The CICO approach failed me many times. It wasn't until I dumped this outdated POV that I began to succeed. Instead of looking at food as if all calories are the exact same, look at food from a nutritional view. When you do this foods like refined sugars, fast foods, and artificial additives don't look so appetizing anymore. I also read a ton about insulin spikes and the role of hormones, which made a lot more sense then a bunch of internet guys implying I (and others here) are just stupid and doing it wrong. Stay strong, join a group here that focuses on clean eating or whatever preference you prefer, and ignore the main boards for advice.
That's so odd CICO didn't seem to work for you. My experience has been the opposite, it worked brilliantly for me and I'm now in excellent health, have lost the extra weight and am now in maintenance. I didn't do anything but cut back on the amount of calories I consumed. Still continued to all the foods I liked though, and didn't cut anything out. Interesting how different our experience have been!0 -
KarlynKeto wrote: »I've not watched the whole thing, just the first 10 mins or so
I just thought it would help motivate/push those struggling to lose weight
You say it is just the simple case of burning more than you eat, nobody is denying that,
so instead of just saying no it is not worth watching, why not post one or something that will help those that are struggling to lose weight etc
but before you think I am attacking you and go on the offensive, don't bother, that is not my intention
I just want to help those struggling, which is the whole point of fitbit and this forum
Your intentions are golden, but the reception is not always that warm around here. The CICO advice plays like a broken record around here, but it is very old advice that hasn't helped many people for decades. People need better help then being slammed in a forum that is suppose to support people.
I personally had to change my beliefs about food entirely before I could start really losing weight and getting healthy. Even had to relearn how to cook. The CICO approach failed me many times. It wasn't until I dumped this outdated POV that I began to succeed. Instead of looking at food as if all calories are the exact same, look at food from a nutritional view. When you do this foods like refined sugars, fast foods, and artificial additives don't look so appetizing anymore. I also read a ton about insulin spikes and the role of hormones, which made a lot more sense then a bunch of internet guys implying I (and others here) are just stupid and doing it wrong. Stay strong, join a group here that focuses on clean eating or whatever preference you prefer, and ignore the main boards for advice.
CICO is an energy balance equation, not a diet. All diets follow it. And no one on here is stating that you shouldn't be looking to eat whole nutrient dense foods, that will satiate you, and provide your body with the fuel it needs to achieve a goals. When people say statements like this, they are misinterpreting what members are saying. Many of us will promoting find a lifestyle or diet approach that is sustainable, addresses nutritional requirements and keeps you full. Personally, I think Eric Helms has a good picture on this subject:
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hence those post from people asking why they are not losing weight etc, most know, but not everyone and then those that do want to lose weight, not all of them have that motivation and need that push
at the end of the day, pretty much everything is about money/profit
even fitbit
Losing weight is a fairly easy process. You can pretty much ask anyone and they have lost weight at one point in their life. Unfortunately, finding a sustainable and reasonable approach can be very difficult and requires some level of understanding. The reason there are devices like fitbit is to act as a motivator and/or tool to increase success. I know people who use them, just so they can aim for 10K steps daily. This is no different than MFP. I use it as my motivator and tool to succeed.0 -
I think the biggest thing we do when we fail at weight loss is make it too complicated. That is why CICO is preached so much here. It is a basic no nonsense scientific equation that eliminates almost any other considerations. How you achieve CICO is up to you, but you don't need to eat clean, eliminate carbs, sugars, fat, processed food, foods colored red, foods starting with the letter M, or any other demonization of a class of food to lose weight. If it helps you personally, great, but don't preach it as a necessity to anyone else.0
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KarlynKeto wrote: »I've not watched the whole thing, just the first 10 mins or so
I just thought it would help motivate/push those struggling to lose weight
You say it is just the simple case of burning more than you eat, nobody is denying that,
so instead of just saying no it is not worth watching, why not post one or something that will help those that are struggling to lose weight etc
but before you think I am attacking you and go on the offensive, don't bother, that is not my intention
I just want to help those struggling, which is the whole point of fitbit and this forum
Your intentions are golden, but the reception is not always that warm around here. The CICO advice plays like a broken record around here, but it is very old advice that hasn't helped many people for decades. People need better help then being slammed in a forum that is suppose to support people.
I personally had to change my beliefs about food entirely before I could start really losing weight and getting healthy. Even had to relearn how to cook. The CICO approach failed me many times. It wasn't until I dumped this outdated POV that I began to succeed. Instead of looking at food as if all calories are the exact same, look at food from a nutritional view. When you do this foods like refined sugars, fast foods, and artificial additives don't look so appetizing anymore. I also read a ton about insulin spikes and the role of hormones, which made a lot more sense then a bunch of internet guys implying I (and others here) are just stupid and doing it wrong. Stay strong, join a group here that focuses on clean eating or whatever preference you prefer, and ignore the main boards for advice.
CICO is an energy balance equation, not a diet. All diets follow it. And no one on here is stating that you shouldn't be looking to eat whole nutrient dense foods, that will satiate you, and provide your body with the fuel it needs to achieve a goals. When people say statements like this, they are misinterpreting what members are saying. Many of us will promoting find a lifestyle or diet approach that is sustainable, addresses nutritional requirements and keeps you full. Personally, I think Eric Helms has a good picture on this subject:
I have no beef with people who promote healthy lifestyle -- whatever that is for them. As for the calorie in calorie out method I don't doubt that the approach has its merit, it just cannot stand on its own for many people. the original poster here pretty much got the door slammed in his face. Why? Because he read or saw something that looked credible to him? This has happened repeatedly on many threads. One has to be very careful of what questions they ask around here or some of the regulars are going to get rude with them. It's as if there's only one way to do it right, and every other option is just wrong.
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KarlynKeto wrote: »KarlynKeto wrote: »I've not watched the whole thing, just the first 10 mins or so
I just thought it would help motivate/push those struggling to lose weight
You say it is just the simple case of burning more than you eat, nobody is denying that,
so instead of just saying no it is not worth watching, why not post one or something that will help those that are struggling to lose weight etc
but before you think I am attacking you and go on the offensive, don't bother, that is not my intention
I just want to help those struggling, which is the whole point of fitbit and this forum
Your intentions are golden, but the reception is not always that warm around here. The CICO advice plays like a broken record around here, but it is very old advice that hasn't helped many people for decades. People need better help then being slammed in a forum that is suppose to support people.
I personally had to change my beliefs about food entirely before I could start really losing weight and getting healthy. Even had to relearn how to cook. The CICO approach failed me many times. It wasn't until I dumped this outdated POV that I began to succeed. Instead of looking at food as if all calories are the exact same, look at food from a nutritional view. When you do this foods like refined sugars, fast foods, and artificial additives don't look so appetizing anymore. I also read a ton about insulin spikes and the role of hormones, which made a lot more sense then a bunch of internet guys implying I (and others here) are just stupid and doing it wrong. Stay strong, join a group here that focuses on clean eating or whatever preference you prefer, and ignore the main boards for advice.
CICO is an energy balance equation, not a diet. All diets follow it. And no one on here is stating that you shouldn't be looking to eat whole nutrient dense foods, that will satiate you, and provide your body with the fuel it needs to achieve a goals. When people say statements like this, they are misinterpreting what members are saying. Many of us will promoting find a lifestyle or diet approach that is sustainable, addresses nutritional requirements and keeps you full. Personally, I think Eric Helms has a good picture on this subject:
I have no beef with people who promote healthy lifestyle -- whatever that is for them. As for the calorie in calorie out method I don't doubt that the approach has its merit, it just cannot stand on its own for many people. the original poster here pretty much got the door slammed in his face. Why? Because he read or saw something that looked credible to him? This has happened repeatedly on many threads. One has to be very careful of what questions they ask around here or some of the regulars are going to get rude with them. It's as if there's only one way to do it right, and every other option is just wrong.
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No one is rude. Just stating facts.0 -
KarlynKeto wrote: »KarlynKeto wrote: »I've not watched the whole thing, just the first 10 mins or so
I just thought it would help motivate/push those struggling to lose weight
You say it is just the simple case of burning more than you eat, nobody is denying that,
so instead of just saying no it is not worth watching, why not post one or something that will help those that are struggling to lose weight etc
but before you think I am attacking you and go on the offensive, don't bother, that is not my intention
I just want to help those struggling, which is the whole point of fitbit and this forum
Your intentions are golden, but the reception is not always that warm around here. The CICO advice plays like a broken record around here, but it is very old advice that hasn't helped many people for decades. People need better help then being slammed in a forum that is suppose to support people.
I personally had to change my beliefs about food entirely before I could start really losing weight and getting healthy. Even had to relearn how to cook. The CICO approach failed me many times. It wasn't until I dumped this outdated POV that I began to succeed. Instead of looking at food as if all calories are the exact same, look at food from a nutritional view. When you do this foods like refined sugars, fast foods, and artificial additives don't look so appetizing anymore. I also read a ton about insulin spikes and the role of hormones, which made a lot more sense then a bunch of internet guys implying I (and others here) are just stupid and doing it wrong. Stay strong, join a group here that focuses on clean eating or whatever preference you prefer, and ignore the main boards for advice.
CICO is an energy balance equation, not a diet. All diets follow it. And no one on here is stating that you shouldn't be looking to eat whole nutrient dense foods, that will satiate you, and provide your body with the fuel it needs to achieve a goals. When people say statements like this, they are misinterpreting what members are saying. Many of us will promoting find a lifestyle or diet approach that is sustainable, addresses nutritional requirements and keeps you full. Personally, I think Eric Helms has a good picture on this subject:
I have no beef with people who promote healthy lifestyle -- whatever that is for them. As for the calorie in calorie out method I don't doubt that the approach has its merit, it just cannot stand on its own for many people. the original poster here pretty much got the door slammed in his face. Why? Because he read or saw something that looked credible to him? This has happened repeatedly on many threads. One has to be very careful of what questions they ask around here or some of the regulars are going to get rude with them. It's as if there's only one way to do it right, and every other option is just wrong.
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I'm a regular and still get scared when I ask a question or start a thread lol
I've seen some far out diaries consisting of way more junk than whole fresh foods. These diaries usually belong to young, fit guys. But what they need to remember is that they're not going to be young and fit forever..
I definitely can't get away with eating whatever I want and not really giving a toss about nutrition like I did when I was in my 20's. That way of eating and thinking did eventually catch up with me...
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stevencloser wrote: »
The comments section is worth reading too.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »
The comments section is worth reading too.
Thanks for pointing this out!0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »KarlynKeto wrote: »KarlynKeto wrote: »I've not watched the whole thing, just the first 10 mins or so
I just thought it would help motivate/push those struggling to lose weight
You say it is just the simple case of burning more than you eat, nobody is denying that,
so instead of just saying no it is not worth watching, why not post one or something that will help those that are struggling to lose weight etc
but before you think I am attacking you and go on the offensive, don't bother, that is not my intention
I just want to help those struggling, which is the whole point of fitbit and this forum
Your intentions are golden, but the reception is not always that warm around here. The CICO advice plays like a broken record around here, but it is very old advice that hasn't helped many people for decades. People need better help then being slammed in a forum that is suppose to support people.
I personally had to change my beliefs about food entirely before I could start really losing weight and getting healthy. Even had to relearn how to cook. The CICO approach failed me many times. It wasn't until I dumped this outdated POV that I began to succeed. Instead of looking at food as if all calories are the exact same, look at food from a nutritional view. When you do this foods like refined sugars, fast foods, and artificial additives don't look so appetizing anymore. I also read a ton about insulin spikes and the role of hormones, which made a lot more sense then a bunch of internet guys implying I (and others here) are just stupid and doing it wrong. Stay strong, join a group here that focuses on clean eating or whatever preference you prefer, and ignore the main boards for advice.
CICO is an energy balance equation, not a diet. All diets follow it. And no one on here is stating that you shouldn't be looking to eat whole nutrient dense foods, that will satiate you, and provide your body with the fuel it needs to achieve a goals. When people say statements like this, they are misinterpreting what members are saying. Many of us will promoting find a lifestyle or diet approach that is sustainable, addresses nutritional requirements and keeps you full. Personally, I think Eric Helms has a good picture on this subject:
I have no beef with people who promote healthy lifestyle -- whatever that is for them. As for the calorie in calorie out method I don't doubt that the approach has its merit, it just cannot stand on its own for many people. the original poster here pretty much got the door slammed in his face. Why? Because he read or saw something that looked credible to him? This has happened repeatedly on many threads. One has to be very careful of what questions they ask around here or some of the regulars are going to get rude with them. It's as if there's only one way to do it right, and every other option is just wrong.
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I'm a regular and still get scared when I ask a question or start a thread lol
I've seen some far out diaries consisting of way more junk than whole fresh foods. These diaries usually belong to young, fit guys. But what they need to remember is that they're not going to be young and fit forever..
I definitely can't get away with eating whatever I want and not really giving a toss about nutrition like I did when I was in my 20's. That way of eating and thinking did eventually catch up with me...
No one is advocating not caring about nutrition. You have been around long enough to know that. You can easily find people who don't care about nutrition in any dietary arrangement, even ones that severely limit sugar. The problem is that some people equate sugar, as a substance in a vacuum, with poor nutrition. This is certainly not the case. True, high sugar items tend to be very high in fat and low in moisture, and subsequently are calorie dense, but is quitting sugar the solution or part of the problem? Putting a large stop sign on food items is likely to make them more desirable. For some adults, it works, because they are already hardwired to think certain foodstuff are "bad" and it can be too hard to normalize all food, but what is more likely to work for his niece? Telling a child she could never have something she loves again (while watching her thin brother eat it) or encouraging healthy portions of a variety of foods?
Where I live, it's not uncommon to see children in the grocery store buying a couple of apples for their pocket money instead of a candy bar, simply because they feel like having apples that day. When I was a child I used to buy tomato juice in school on most days because I liked it more than soda. Some children bought orange juice, others soda, others flavored water, others plain milk. Since most of the families cooked home with nutritious foods, these choices had no bearing on the overall quality of the diet.
Lately I have noticed a shift in the culture, where young mothers affected by the "bad food" propaganda, are denying their kids the choice... so these choices are becoming more and more desirable to them. It's sad to watch, really...0 -
Really? I'm betting that many mid western and southern states (where obesity ranks the highest) isn't because of fast food but because of "home" food that super calorie dense. Frying everything, putting loads of butter on everything, adding sugar to recipes, etc.perkymommy wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »perkymommy wrote: »"Super Size Me" is another good one for those who eat a lot of fast food.
And then there's John Cisna who showed that guy was full of *kitten* because he purposely overate to an extreme degree.
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-lose-weight-eating-only-mcdonalds-2015-10?IR=T
Maybe I should make a documentary of me eating only homecooked meals and grossly overeating them until I'm fat. There's good money in fearmongering.
IMO, it's the idea that it's not good food to be eating. I know eating it every single meal isn't typical of what people really do If you knew the story behind all that crap is prepared in factories you wouldn't eat it. But yes, I realize that man took it to the extreme. And the really overweight/obese people don't get that way eating only home cooked meals. If you believe that then you are being fooled. Processed foods maybe, but mostly fast foods.
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Kickboxing Certified Instructor
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When human physiology actually changes, then you can say that CICO is outdated. Problem is human physiology hasn't changed in thousands of years.KarlynKeto wrote: »I've not watched the whole thing, just the first 10 mins or so
I just thought it would help motivate/push those struggling to lose weight
You say it is just the simple case of burning more than you eat, nobody is denying that,
so instead of just saying no it is not worth watching, why not post one or something that will help those that are struggling to lose weight etc
but before you think I am attacking you and go on the offensive, don't bother, that is not my intention
I just want to help those struggling, which is the whole point of fitbit and this forum
Your intentions are golden, but the reception is not always that warm around here. The CICO advice plays like a broken record around here, but it is very old advice that hasn't helped many people for decades. People need better help then being slammed in a forum that is suppose to support people.
I personally had to change my beliefs about food entirely before I could start really losing weight and getting healthy. Even had to relearn how to cook. The CICO approach failed me many times. It wasn't until I dumped this outdated POV that I began to succeed. Instead of looking at food as if all calories are the exact same, look at food from a nutritional view. When you do this foods like refined sugars, fast foods, and artificial additives don't look so appetizing anymore. I also read a ton about insulin spikes and the role of hormones, which made a lot more sense then a bunch of internet guys implying I (and others here) are just stupid and doing it wrong. Stay strong, join a group here that focuses on clean eating or whatever preference you prefer, and ignore the main boards for advice.
If you failed it's because you likely didn't do it right. Many of my clientele thought the same till they ACTUALLY did start counting calories.
And trust the countries that don't have an obesity problem aren't eating "clean" on a daily basis. They just eat ENOUGH and not a surplus.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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KarlynKeto wrote: »I've not watched the whole thing, just the first 10 mins or so
I just thought it would help motivate/push those struggling to lose weight
You say it is just the simple case of burning more than you eat, nobody is denying that,
so instead of just saying no it is not worth watching, why not post one or something that will help those that are struggling to lose weight etc
but before you think I am attacking you and go on the offensive, don't bother, that is not my intention
I just want to help those struggling, which is the whole point of fitbit and this forum
Your intentions are golden, but the reception is not always that warm around here. The CICO advice plays like a broken record around here, but it is very old advice that hasn't helped many people for decades. People need better help then being slammed in a forum that is suppose to support people.
I personally had to change my beliefs about food entirely before I could start really losing weight and getting healthy. Even had to relearn how to cook. The CICO approach failed me many times. It wasn't until I dumped this outdated POV that I began to succeed. Instead of looking at food as if all calories are the exact same, look at food from a nutritional view. When you do this foods like refined sugars, fast foods, and artificial additives don't look so appetizing anymore. I also read a ton about insulin spikes and the role of hormones, which made a lot more sense then a bunch of internet guys implying I (and others here) are just stupid and doing it wrong. Stay strong, join a group here that focuses on clean eating or whatever preference you prefer, and ignore the main boards for advice.
CICO is the bottom line, the one law that is true for any and all weight loss.
I can't believe to how many people this needs to be pointed out, but hormones, nutrition or ANYTHING can NOT overwrite the laws of physics, which clearly state that energy can not be created or destroyed.
The fat on your tummy is nothing but stored energy and it got there because you were consuming more than your body put out. You could have eaten nothing but twinkies or nothing but broccoli, the result would have been the same.
CICO is true for every living, breathing person on the planet, from the Inuit who eat almost exclusively meat, to people who are vegan, from people in countries where homecooked meals are the non-plus-ultra to countries where processed foods are the staple.
It is true for 20 year olds in the prime of their health to 80 year olds with every ailment known to man.
Always.
No matter how you choose to eat, you have to consume less calories than you burn, it's the universal truth of fat loss, and that's why you get told to do just that if you're making a thread asking if you should do X to "kickstart your weightloss" or whatever.
Eat less calories than you burn, how you do it sustainably is up to you, you're a grownass person, act like it. Why do I have to tell this to someone twice my age?0 -
KarlynKeto wrote: »KarlynKeto wrote: »I've not watched the whole thing, just the first 10 mins or so
I just thought it would help motivate/push those struggling to lose weight
You say it is just the simple case of burning more than you eat, nobody is denying that,
so instead of just saying no it is not worth watching, why not post one or something that will help those that are struggling to lose weight etc
but before you think I am attacking you and go on the offensive, don't bother, that is not my intention
I just want to help those struggling, which is the whole point of fitbit and this forum
Your intentions are golden, but the reception is not always that warm around here. The CICO advice plays like a broken record around here, but it is very old advice that hasn't helped many people for decades. People need better help then being slammed in a forum that is suppose to support people.
I personally had to change my beliefs about food entirely before I could start really losing weight and getting healthy. Even had to relearn how to cook. The CICO approach failed me many times. It wasn't until I dumped this outdated POV that I began to succeed. Instead of looking at food as if all calories are the exact same, look at food from a nutritional view. When you do this foods like refined sugars, fast foods, and artificial additives don't look so appetizing anymore. I also read a ton about insulin spikes and the role of hormones, which made a lot more sense then a bunch of internet guys implying I (and others here) are just stupid and doing it wrong. Stay strong, join a group here that focuses on clean eating or whatever preference you prefer, and ignore the main boards for advice.
CICO is an energy balance equation, not a diet. All diets follow it. And no one on here is stating that you shouldn't be looking to eat whole nutrient dense foods, that will satiate you, and provide your body with the fuel it needs to achieve a goals. When people say statements like this, they are misinterpreting what members are saying. Many of us will promoting find a lifestyle or diet approach that is sustainable, addresses nutritional requirements and keeps you full. Personally, I think Eric Helms has a good picture on this subject:
I have no beef with people who promote healthy lifestyle -- whatever that is for them. As for the calorie in calorie out method I don't doubt that the approach has its merit, it just cannot stand on its own for many people. the original poster here pretty much got the door slammed in his face. Why? Because he read or saw something that looked credible to him? This has happened repeatedly on many threads. One has to be very careful of what questions they ask around here or some of the regulars are going to get rude with them. It's as if there's only one way to do it right, and every other option is just wrong.
/rant
But one must understand that even if you find something interesting, doesn't mean its backed by science and disagreement =/= rude. That is the best thing about forums, is that people will offer different points of view and you can learn from it. If I only wanted confirmation bias, I would still believe that meal frequency and timing matters, sugar is the devil and so much more. Unfortunately, many see that same challenging of ideas as being rude, and it's not (dont' get me wrong, there are some rude comments but the mods generally try to address those).
Calories in vs calories out, is an over-simplification of the science of weight loss. And when people say it doesn't work, it means they do not understand what it truly means. Many think it means you can eat anything and lose weight as long as you consume less than you burn.... which is true (i.e. the Twinkie experiment). Unfortunately, when people fail, they blame the equation/concept.
Calories in is fairly easy to understand, but hard to be 100% accurate (even professions tend to under-estimate calories in by as much as 400 a day). Calories out is even more difficult since we don't live in a metabolic chambers, nor have the equipment to measure accurately; calories out is made up of basal metabolic rate, thermal effect of food, thermal effect of activity and non exercise activity thermogenesis. The bigger issues are, we don't know our true metabolic rate, unless you have had it test (an online calculator isn't correct), we don't know the exact amount of calories you burn during exercise, through digestion or even throughout the daily doing daily task.
Then you add in the fact, that people over complicate things by following all sorts of arbitrary rules (cut this food group or that food group) which may or may not align to their personality (happened to me with Paleo.... cutting out foods I love is not a good thing for me) or they don't find foods that satiate themselves and it leads to failure. That doesn't mean CICO didn't work, it means the implementation plan didn't work.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »KarlynKeto wrote: »KarlynKeto wrote: »I've not watched the whole thing, just the first 10 mins or so
I just thought it would help motivate/push those struggling to lose weight
You say it is just the simple case of burning more than you eat, nobody is denying that,
so instead of just saying no it is not worth watching, why not post one or something that will help those that are struggling to lose weight etc
but before you think I am attacking you and go on the offensive, don't bother, that is not my intention
I just want to help those struggling, which is the whole point of fitbit and this forum
Your intentions are golden, but the reception is not always that warm around here. The CICO advice plays like a broken record around here, but it is very old advice that hasn't helped many people for decades. People need better help then being slammed in a forum that is suppose to support people.
I personally had to change my beliefs about food entirely before I could start really losing weight and getting healthy. Even had to relearn how to cook. The CICO approach failed me many times. It wasn't until I dumped this outdated POV that I began to succeed. Instead of looking at food as if all calories are the exact same, look at food from a nutritional view. When you do this foods like refined sugars, fast foods, and artificial additives don't look so appetizing anymore. I also read a ton about insulin spikes and the role of hormones, which made a lot more sense then a bunch of internet guys implying I (and others here) are just stupid and doing it wrong. Stay strong, join a group here that focuses on clean eating or whatever preference you prefer, and ignore the main boards for advice.
CICO is an energy balance equation, not a diet. All diets follow it. And no one on here is stating that you shouldn't be looking to eat whole nutrient dense foods, that will satiate you, and provide your body with the fuel it needs to achieve a goals. When people say statements like this, they are misinterpreting what members are saying. Many of us will promoting find a lifestyle or diet approach that is sustainable, addresses nutritional requirements and keeps you full. Personally, I think Eric Helms has a good picture on this subject:
I have no beef with people who promote healthy lifestyle -- whatever that is for them. As for the calorie in calorie out method I don't doubt that the approach has its merit, it just cannot stand on its own for many people. the original poster here pretty much got the door slammed in his face. Why? Because he read or saw something that looked credible to him? This has happened repeatedly on many threads. One has to be very careful of what questions they ask around here or some of the regulars are going to get rude with them. It's as if there's only one way to do it right, and every other option is just wrong.
/rant
I'm a regular and still get scared when I ask a question or start a thread lol
I've seen some far out diaries consisting of way more junk than whole fresh foods. These diaries usually belong to young, fit guys. But what they need to remember is that they're not going to be young and fit forever..
I definitely can't get away with eating whatever I want and not really giving a toss about nutrition like I did when I was in my 20's. That way of eating and thinking did eventually catch up with me...
People will have bad days, or days where there are parties. But ones diary has nothing to do with knowledge or what they preach, just like ones avatar has nothing to do with their knowledge. The people who are identified as the CICO crowd, generally preach the above pyramid. Unfortunately, the argument against is xx food vs yy food, which is a bad argument since it doesn't look at dietary context.
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Christine_72 wrote: »KarlynKeto wrote: »KarlynKeto wrote: »I've not watched the whole thing, just the first 10 mins or so
I just thought it would help motivate/push those struggling to lose weight
You say it is just the simple case of burning more than you eat, nobody is denying that,
so instead of just saying no it is not worth watching, why not post one or something that will help those that are struggling to lose weight etc
but before you think I am attacking you and go on the offensive, don't bother, that is not my intention
I just want to help those struggling, which is the whole point of fitbit and this forum
Your intentions are golden, but the reception is not always that warm around here. The CICO advice plays like a broken record around here, but it is very old advice that hasn't helped many people for decades. People need better help then being slammed in a forum that is suppose to support people.
I personally had to change my beliefs about food entirely before I could start really losing weight and getting healthy. Even had to relearn how to cook. The CICO approach failed me many times. It wasn't until I dumped this outdated POV that I began to succeed. Instead of looking at food as if all calories are the exact same, look at food from a nutritional view. When you do this foods like refined sugars, fast foods, and artificial additives don't look so appetizing anymore. I also read a ton about insulin spikes and the role of hormones, which made a lot more sense then a bunch of internet guys implying I (and others here) are just stupid and doing it wrong. Stay strong, join a group here that focuses on clean eating or whatever preference you prefer, and ignore the main boards for advice.
CICO is an energy balance equation, not a diet. All diets follow it. And no one on here is stating that you shouldn't be looking to eat whole nutrient dense foods, that will satiate you, and provide your body with the fuel it needs to achieve a goals. When people say statements like this, they are misinterpreting what members are saying. Many of us will promoting find a lifestyle or diet approach that is sustainable, addresses nutritional requirements and keeps you full. Personally, I think Eric Helms has a good picture on this subject:
I have no beef with people who promote healthy lifestyle -- whatever that is for them. As for the calorie in calorie out method I don't doubt that the approach has its merit, it just cannot stand on its own for many people. the original poster here pretty much got the door slammed in his face. Why? Because he read or saw something that looked credible to him? This has happened repeatedly on many threads. One has to be very careful of what questions they ask around here or some of the regulars are going to get rude with them. It's as if there's only one way to do it right, and every other option is just wrong.
/rant
I'm a regular and still get scared when I ask a question or start a thread lol
I've seen some far out diaries consisting of way more junk than whole fresh foods. These diaries usually belong to young, fit guys. But what they need to remember is that they're not going to be young and fit forever..
I definitely can't get away with eating whatever I want and not really giving a toss about nutrition like I did when I was in my 20's. That way of eating and thinking did eventually catch up with me...
As I keep saying, why interpret "eat what you want" as not caring about nutrition. What I want includes a nutritionally dense diet that covers the bases and helps with my endurance training and makes me feel good. It seems insulting to me to assume that "eating what you want" means only low nutrient foods. Even apart from these other goals I think it would be weird and not normal to WANT only junk food and not foods with protein, veg, fruit, homecooked foods, etc.
As for OP, I think he or she was treated pretty well. It WAS pointed out that he/she, by his or her own admission, watched only 10 minutes of the doc being recommended and did not actually stand behind the ideas in it, but just said that watching those kinds of things -- even if inaccurate -- could be motivating. If being skeptical of that is supposed to be being mean to OP, eh, I don't get it.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »KarlynKeto wrote: »KarlynKeto wrote: »I've not watched the whole thing, just the first 10 mins or so
I just thought it would help motivate/push those struggling to lose weight
You say it is just the simple case of burning more than you eat, nobody is denying that,
so instead of just saying no it is not worth watching, why not post one or something that will help those that are struggling to lose weight etc
but before you think I am attacking you and go on the offensive, don't bother, that is not my intention
I just want to help those struggling, which is the whole point of fitbit and this forum
Your intentions are golden, but the reception is not always that warm around here. The CICO advice plays like a broken record around here, but it is very old advice that hasn't helped many people for decades. People need better help then being slammed in a forum that is suppose to support people.
I personally had to change my beliefs about food entirely before I could start really losing weight and getting healthy. Even had to relearn how to cook. The CICO approach failed me many times. It wasn't until I dumped this outdated POV that I began to succeed. Instead of looking at food as if all calories are the exact same, look at food from a nutritional view. When you do this foods like refined sugars, fast foods, and artificial additives don't look so appetizing anymore. I also read a ton about insulin spikes and the role of hormones, which made a lot more sense then a bunch of internet guys implying I (and others here) are just stupid and doing it wrong. Stay strong, join a group here that focuses on clean eating or whatever preference you prefer, and ignore the main boards for advice.
CICO is an energy balance equation, not a diet. All diets follow it. And no one on here is stating that you shouldn't be looking to eat whole nutrient dense foods, that will satiate you, and provide your body with the fuel it needs to achieve a goals. When people say statements like this, they are misinterpreting what members are saying. Many of us will promoting find a lifestyle or diet approach that is sustainable, addresses nutritional requirements and keeps you full. Personally, I think Eric Helms has a good picture on this subject:
I have no beef with people who promote healthy lifestyle -- whatever that is for them. As for the calorie in calorie out method I don't doubt that the approach has its merit, it just cannot stand on its own for many people. the original poster here pretty much got the door slammed in his face. Why? Because he read or saw something that looked credible to him? This has happened repeatedly on many threads. One has to be very careful of what questions they ask around here or some of the regulars are going to get rude with them. It's as if there's only one way to do it right, and every other option is just wrong.
/rant
I'm a regular and still get scared when I ask a question or start a thread lol
I've seen some far out diaries consisting of way more junk than whole fresh foods. These diaries usually belong to young, fit guys. But what they need to remember is that they're not going to be young and fit forever..
I definitely can't get away with eating whatever I want and not really giving a toss about nutrition like I did when I was in my 20's. That way of eating and thinking did eventually catch up with me...
As I keep saying, why interpret "eat what you want" as not caring about nutrition. What I want includes a nutritionally dense diet that covers the bases and helps with my endurance training and makes me feel good. It seems insulting to me to assume that "eating what you want" means only low nutrient foods. Even apart from these other goals I think it would be weird and not normal to WANT only junk food and not foods with protein, veg, fruit, homecooked foods, etc.
As for OP, I think he or she was treated pretty well. It WAS pointed out that he/she, by his or her own admission, watched only 10 minutes of the doc being recommended and did not actually stand behind the ideas in it, but just said that watching those kinds of things -- even if inaccurate -- could be motivating. If being skeptical of that is supposed to be being mean to OP, eh, I don't get it.
This always irks me too. I eat what I want and the only number I focus on is calories. I eat a pretty varied diet which includes everything from fast food and diet soda to whole grains and veggies. I'm in great health and my diet is a mix of all sorts of foods
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just to go back to the "bitter truth" topic, here is an interesting article published today on The Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lustig-john-yudkin0 -
Eggheads need to learn that 1:29 videos won't be watched.
I bailed after 16 minutes. I don't drink sugar water anyway.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »perkymommy wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »perkymommy wrote: »"Super Size Me" is another good one for those who eat a lot of fast food.
And then there's John Cisna who showed that guy was full of *kitten* because he purposely overate to an extreme degree.
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-lose-weight-eating-only-mcdonalds-2015-10?IR=T
Maybe I should make a documentary of me eating only homecooked meals and grossly overeating them until I'm fat. There's good money in fearmongering.
IMO, it's the idea that it's not good food to be eating. I know eating it every single meal isn't typical of what people really do If you knew the story behind all that crap is prepared in factories you wouldn't eat it. But yes, I realize that man took it to the extreme. And the really overweight/obese people don't get that way eating only home cooked meals. If you believe that then you are being fooled. Processed foods maybe, but mostly fast foods.
Must've been all the fast food.
High food availability + sedentary lifestyle = becoming fat.
Yep.
Actually, I read (Please don't ask where but I'm a history buff of the Tudors and can't remember where anymore) but according to historical forensics, they believe he had a bang up pituitary after a bad jousting accident. Apparently, after the accident, we put on a ton of weight and had several other mental problems including depression, extreme mood swings and paranoia that they believe were all brought on from this accident.
Sorry... I had to!!
Now what were we talking about lol?!?!0 -
JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Eggheads need to learn that 1:29 videos won't be watched.
It has over 6 million views on You Tube.
That's pretty good going for a nutrition video I would say.0 -
JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Eggheads need to learn that 1:29 videos won't be watched.
It has over 6 million views on You Tube.
That's pretty good going for a nutrition video I would say.
Yeah, I suffered through it a while back, all.of.it.
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if it was as simple as CICO, then there would not be so many posts/threads saying they are struggling etc or that they can not lose weight, what those people are asking for is some motivation/help, true or false, even if it helps one person that was struggling to lose weight, it did it's job, obviously more the better
heck, even if a slap around the face/a stern telling off helped them to start losing weight, then it did it's job
if losing weight/staying healthy was simple/easy, then there would be no need for companies like FitBit, forums like MFP
WW membership costs a fair bit, as do their products, yet lots of people buy them and pay a monthly membership fee, their food tastes like crap, yet they eat them, why? when all they have to do was moderate their intake
for some people, just simply telling them CICO is all that they need, for some others, they need that little extra, and for some, it doesn't matter what you do or say
TBH, I couldn't care less about the replies, I knew why I posted what I did, and if it helped just one person, then as far as I am concerned, it did its job
I'm here to gossip and help others lose weight, I could quite happily spend my time doing better stuff like watching tv and shopping, heck the time I spend here reading posts and replying to posts, I could have been jogging and burning calories0
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