On Gardening
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amusedmonkey wrote: »As promised, here it is:
Are those the peas or the pods?
Those are the pods, and they house 1-2 chickpeas each (look at the open pod in the middle). What's nice is when you roast them in pods you don't need to add any oil, the pods release natural oils so they never stick.0 -
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amusedmonkey wrote: »As promised, here it is:
This looks so very delicious!0 -
sistrsprkl wrote: »I love gardening and plan to work in my garden this afternoon. I don't log any of my exercise including gardening. It's just all part of the healthy life I try to maintain. Here's to bountiful gardens for everyone this year! My dad just put a fence around mine so the deer don't mow it all down like last year
The deer have already gotten to our lettuce I told my husband yesterday we may have to put some fence around it this year so it doesn't all get eaten.0 -
I have tracked it as exercise when I worked out in my natural areas around my house so far this spring. I would be sweating so hard and the next day I would be so sore I could barely get out of bed after working 2-3 hours outdoors, so you betcha I'm logging it in as a workout! Anything I work up a sweat to gets logged.0
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justrollme wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »As promised, here it is:
This looks so very delicious!
This^^
I have a few raised beds that I am planting now... gardening it quite the workout, not sure how many squats I'm doing? But I love it!0 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »I was getting ready to type a long comment about gardening on another thread with @GaleHawkins, but thought, it's such an important topic, it really deserves a thread of its own.
Just to give a little background, I have been a gardener since the bug bit me in high school. It wasn't until I had kids that I started to see my weight creep up, but in the summer when I was doing intensive gardening, I would lose 20 lbs or so through no additional effort (exercise, calorie counting), especially in the years that I was putting in a new garden or expanding a current garden (I have my home garden, formerly had a lake garden where my uncle is now building a house, and am intensely involved with a community garden). To give my most recent example, last winter my weight had reached 185 or so (not that I weighted myself very frequently, as it was so discouraging) but by the time I got completely fed up in late July and resolved to lose all the weight, I had already fallen to 168, and I would attribute most of that to hours spent in the garden.
Here are the calorie burns that Harvard Medical School gives for various gardening activities (counts are for a half hour at the following weights: 125 lbs/155 lbs/185 lbs)
Planting: 120/149/178
Raking: 120/149/178
General gardening: 135/167/200
Weeding: 139/172/205
Digging/spading dirt: 150/186/222
Here is the full report with many different activities listed: http://www.health.harvard.edu/diet-and-weight-loss/calories-burned-in-30-minutes-of-leisure-and-routine-activities
Anyway, while it's not going to give you the same burn as running or intense cardio, anyone who gardens knows that you can spend hours and hours doing some pretty intense work, and get a great core workout while spading potatoes or stacking straw bales or flipping compost. For me, 4 hours in the garden is a 1336 calorie burn for "general" work--and some days I will spend 8 or 9 hours between my two gardens. It is hard work, but I love having my hands in the soil and being out in nature, and the time just flies.
But wait...there's more! The activity level is just half the story. If you are growing a vegetable garden and eating from it, that is another huge boost for health. My background is in medieval literature, with a particular emphasis on science, medicine and agriculture (because it's not geeky enough to JUST be a medievalist). While researching the many and sundry famines and wars, I would marvel at how the average peasant was able to stay alive (many times they didn't) on so little sustenance. What is bad news for the peasant is good news for us--as a gardener, you expend so much effort in gardening, you will never reap those calories back from just the garden. MAYBE if you have a bumper crop of 100% potatoes, but even the Irish needed a cow to make that work. Grains are another basic staff of life, with corn being the superstar. If you're growing lettuce--forget about it. If you want an additional challenge, you can try to garden 100% organically, which makes things even more, um, challenging.
Finally, there are the therapeutic aspects of gardening. I did a quick scan of some of the lit (and by quick, I mean reading the first five headlines that popped up on Google Scholar) and saw a lot of references to nursing home horticultural therapy and then this very interesting social sciences report on incarcerated kids and their garden: http://juvenilerecidivism.yolasite.com/resources/Therapeutic gardening in a long-term detention setting.pdf
Gardening is a huge commitment and takes a lot of time, and I have seen a lot of people start enthusiastically then fall away when they realized how difficult it is. But if you enter it with the perspective that, not only am I gardening, but this is a workout that I am going to commit to, including hours of weeding while sweating under the hot sun, I think that people would find it to be a very rewarding endeavor, both in calories burned and nutrition (if not calories) reaped.
I'd love to hear thoughts from any other gardeners out there, as well as provide encouragement to anyone who may be considering starting.
@jmbmilholland Thanks for starting this topic!0 -
We've done a garden for about 8 years now. We started out small, 10ft x 2 ft. We expanded about 5 years ago to more than double.
We mostly grow the same few things - tomatoes, peppers (hot and sweet), basil, rosemary (it just keeps growing!), kale (in the winter), bush beans, 1 cucumber plant - I can barely handle all the yield from 1!
We eat and preserve just about everything. We grow a lot of basil and puree it with olive oil and freeze it so we can have pesto year round.
We had several bad tries with squash which bums me out cause I love summer squash.
Also, towards the end of the season the cucumbers get afflicted with tiny little worms or something. I guess it's ok because by then I'm generally pickled out.
Our yard is fenced in, but rabbits love to help themselves - I lost my entire bean crop last year to them. They ate every bean plant that started growing, then it got too hot to grow.
We've pared down this year since my spouse will be deployed all summer - he does the bulk of the work so I'm on the hook this summer. The pressure is on!
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Was very pleased to come across this thread - and thought I had posted all about my gardening (a smallish front garden in London, but I still manage to squeeze in some fruit and veg along side the flowers and self built patios)... But it didn't end up being saved I think...so I try again another day...
Gardening is good excercise - for the heart, mind and body.
And eating that well deserved cake/healthy apple sitting in it whilst admiring your handiworkimproves the taste buds too...
My veggie seeds in and just just beginning to show (well the sweet peas that went in same time are, and potatoes happily cchitting). Great time of year!
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@gentlygently I'd love to see a photo of your London garden, if you ever have the chance to post it. I am such a garden voyeur! @zdyb23456 what was your problem with the squash plants? I have had mine get killed by squash vine borers. When we have co-planted radishes into the hills (and leave them there--don't harvest) we haven't gotten borers, but even if you notice the tell-tale sign of wilting leaves, you can sometimes locate the borer, kill it with a pin/wire, and heap soil over the wound in the stalk. This has worked for the me the couple of times I tried it. I have no tip for beans, because our beans (in the community garden) get tag-teamed by the rabbits and the deer. They haven't discovered my home garden, possibly due to our scary, stinky, deaf old Boxer. Good luck with the garden while your spouse is deployed. Just remember--when it gets hard--you're burning calories!0
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@jmbmilholland I just saw you posted to me. I am in high desert. I love all forms of cabbage (it's my fave), daikon radish, zucchini, any leafy greens... those kinds of things. I think we are a great area for potatoes and onions. We are known for potatoes, actually. But, alas, I am on a ketogenic diet and I don't eat starchy veggies or most fruits. I do eat avocado, coconut, and olives. An occasional tomato, dark and flavorful, is a worthwhile treat. Those puny orange things in the store make me sad and feel wasteful to eat.
Rosemary is growing in my yard from way back and sage. I am allergic to most of what grows in my yard. Even lavender which grows so well here breaks me out in a rash over prolonged contact (as with trimming).
My boss tells me we have a lot of clay.
I am meeting with someone to clear out all the weeds which make up my front and back yard. I'd like to get sprinklers installed in the back along with some new grass but in the front I will probably lay down net and mulch and have a few plants interspersed. Maybe that would be good on the side of the house to grow things?0 -
We had several bad tries with squash which bums me out cause I love summer squash.
What was the problem with your squash. We have had problems in the past with powdery mildew but you can prevent that by spraying the plants with milk. It works better as prevention than a cure so I spray mine regularly from the time they are small. We haven't lost any squash since.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »We had several bad tries with squash which bums me out cause I love summer squash.
What was the problem with your squash. We have had problems in the past with powdery mildew but you can prevent that by spraying the plants with milk. It works better as prevention than a cure so I spray mine regularly from the time they are small. We haven't lost any squash since.
Milk spray for powdery mildew? You got me googling with that one. Interesting, thanks for the tip. https://www.growveg.com/guides/using-milk-to-prevent-powdery-mildew/
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A few years ago:
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Ok they are not all showing - but gives you some idea we really started from scratch, and managed to squeeze a lot in.. Restricted the colour palette as a small space and had fun doing all the hard landscaping ourselves...
Including sorting all the stone shapes..
And doing cordon and step over fruit trees.. I love it...
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DorkothyParker wrote: »@jmbmilholland I just saw you posted to me. I am in high desert. I love all forms of cabbage (it's my fave), daikon radish, zucchini, any leafy greens... those kinds of things. I think we are a great area for potatoes and onions. We are known for potatoes, actually. But, alas, I am on a ketogenic diet and I don't eat starchy veggies or most fruits. I do eat avocado, coconut, and olives. An occasional tomato, dark and flavorful, is a worthwhile treat. Those puny orange things in the store make me sad and feel wasteful to eat.
Rosemary is growing in my yard from way back and sage. I am allergic to most of what grows in my yard. Even lavender which grows so well here breaks me out in a rash over prolonged contact (as with trimming).
My boss tells me we have a lot of clay.
I am meeting with someone to clear out all the weeds which make up my front and back yard. I'd like to get sprinklers installed in the back along with some new grass but in the front I will probably lay down net and mulch and have a few plants interspersed. Maybe that would be good on the side of the house to grow things?
For most of the things you like, except radish (and I am assuming avocado, coconut, and olives won't grow in Boise, nor Indiana, alas), you should be able to find plant starts at a local gardening center, although you can grow for seeds if you want to take that step. You just sounded nervous about it, so buying starts helps you keep things as easy as possible while you dip your toes in and give it a try. I would also recommend longer gardening gloves even for dealing with tomatoes and zuccs and such, as they can have strong oils in them, and little tiny hairs or spines that can irritate sensitive skin. Veggies will grow great on clay soil but you will want to amend it with lots of compost, which you can get in bags. I generally mulch my veggies with grass clippings over the summer (just add an inch at a time, and it will dry instead of going slimy) but if I really want to preserve moisture, I put down straw. That way you can get by with a week or longer between waterings in a dry spell (but make sure you water deeply when you do). Sometimes the straw will sprout, so just make sure you stay on top of the sprouting (easy to pull as long as the soil has been worked up and is moist).
Good luck with your yard project. If you have questions, Garden Web is an outstanding site just to browse; I looked for Boise-area gardening, and there was this interesting thread recommending Zamzows as a good local nursery. http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1983136/moving-to-the-boise-area
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »We had several bad tries with squash which bums me out cause I love summer squash.
What was the problem with your squash. We have had problems in the past with powdery mildew but you can prevent that by spraying the plants with milk. It works better as prevention than a cure so I spray mine regularly from the time they are small. We haven't lost any squash since.
Milk spray for powdery mildew? You got me googling with that one. Interesting, thanks for the tip. https://www.growveg.com/guides/using-milk-to-prevent-powdery-mildew/
Oh, you are welcome. I read about it in Grit magazine. It was an eye-opener for me too.1 -
gentlygently wrote: »
Ok trying to work out how to load up photos here.... Has this worked?
Thanks for the pictures! Your yard is beautiful, and I especially love the idea of the espalier fruit trees. So far I've been able to fit several dwarf fruit trees into my yard, but I have a board fence and a 1 foot strip of soil that would be an excellent place for some espaliers. Once I'm confident enough with my knowledge and maintenance of the dwarves, that might be my next challenge.0 -
Go for it - they are fun! I like the pruning. Cant say mine are massive fruot produvers - but they look so good and edge my veg patch nocely. Inalso have some autmn raspberey canes in a thin strip (aboit 4 inchess wide) against a fence .. They produce tons...might that work?
I also grow nastursiums and sweet peas up the same wires etc and this year am trying clumbing french beans (worryingly slow to germinate, might need to try some more and geminate inside!)0 -
Here's your debate. Gardening must be bad for you, because I can raise the blood pressure of anyone with tomato plants with this image:
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@Kamikazeflutterby... agreed! But planting some basil and marigolds by your tomatoes help. And seeing them while they are smaller helps with the shock/ jump back reaction when you see these nasty buggers!0
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liftingwateringcan wrote: »@Kamikazeflutterby... agreed! But planting some basil and marigolds by your tomatoes help. And seeing them while they are smaller helps with the shock/ jump back reaction when you see these nasty buggers!
Our tomato plants are surrounded by basil this year. So much pesto is in my future. And basil butter, herb bread, and caprese salad...
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Kamikazeflutterby wrote: »liftingwateringcan wrote: »@Kamikazeflutterby... agreed! But planting some basil and marigolds by your tomatoes help. And seeing them while they are smaller helps with the shock/ jump back reaction when you see these nasty buggers!
Our tomato plants are surrounded by basil this year. So much pesto is in my future. And basil butter, herb bread, and caprese salad...
Our tomato seedlings are ready to go.. but waiting for the wind to calm down before we plant them. Yum on the basil made foods, I can't wait to try making pesto... I've only dried my basil so far.0
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