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Why are there more eating opportunities for kids now than in the past?
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I wonder if all the extra opportunities lead children to being overweight adults because they are conditioned to always having something to eat. Do they even know what hungry feels like?
I am early 30s and while some other folks have posted snacks were common when they were kids, they weren't for me (maybe depends on where you grew up, affluence, social norms). My parents were both overweight and anti-snack. I remember being hungry SO MUCH when I was a kid. Lunch was usually a sandwich, a fruit, a small dessert, and a small milk. And that never felt like enough. I was hungry before lunch, and the worst was coming home I was STARVING. My parents didn't want us snacking before dinner so it was just waiting until dinner was made. We had some type of snack food, but that was the dessert item in our lunches, so was only allowed to be eaten for lunch. I don't think the food was inadequate so I don't know why I remember being hungry so much.
I was not overweight as a child, but became overweight towards the end of high school, and then more seriously towards the end of college. In a way, my parents' training worked. As an adult, I am not much of a snacker. But I am obese and suffer from some binge eating issues. I am sure there are a TON of factors that go into that, but I don't think not having snacks pushed on me was an effective deterrence to not becoming obese.0 -
ashleyjongepier wrote: »If this were about adults the majority would say so long as you are within your calories it doesn't matter how many times you eat a day.
If you count or otherwise monitor how much you eat, no it wouldn't.
Most people don't, though -- which is why most people in the US are overweight. I do believe that the change in our culture from a society where we mostly ate at planned and scheduled times (the specific times don't matter) to one in which we think food needs to be available at all times and graze at will/think snacking a lot is normal and necessary is one contributor to why there has been an overall increase in the number of calories people eat and the obesity rate.
Small kids who don't eat enough in a smaller number of meals would be an exception, but I don't think the idea that we must eat every 2 hours and any perceived hunger is to be avoided at all costs and eating when you just feel like it (a feeling often brought about by the presence of appealing food) is helpful culturally.
Are there other reasons (like greater inactivity now) that obesity has increased? Of course.1 -
Maybe it's something that's more common in America. I think there are more opportunities for everyone to snack now but when I was at school it was more things like Orange quarters after sports activities! Jugs of water or the water fountain. I'm UK based.0
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DorkothyParker wrote: »Does it matter if a child eats meals or snacks?
It seems meal times are cultural, not necessarily health-based. Some adults do very well with IF and some better with grazing.
I think it's better to offer healthy food free range for whenever my daughter will eat it than to try to force her into some arbitrary standard of consumption. At the end of the day, it's the same food as she would have eaten in three separate meal times, but in 7 or 8 instead.
So sugary junk and juice aside, for children, does frequency matter or is it individualized as with adults?
Oh and to add, isn't telling a kid "You eat lunch at noon and if you don't, there is no food until 3" going to encourage them to eat even if not hungry so that they don't get hungry waiting for the next meal or snack time? Isn't that the opposite of healthful eating?
If they're not hungry enough to eat lunch, they shouldn't be hungry enough to need a snack if the next meal is in a reasonable amount of time. If a kid turns their nose up at meals frequently because they're not hungry from snacking, I figure it's time to limit or eliminate snacks. Or, make the snacks proper mini-meals so the kid is getting proper nutrition. The timing and frequency isn't so important other than for convenience.0 -
DorkothyParker wrote: »Does it matter if a child eats meals or snacks?
It seems meal times are cultural, not necessarily health-based. Some adults do very well with IF and some better with grazing.
I think it's better to offer healthy food free range for whenever my daughter will eat it than to try to force her into some arbitrary standard of consumption. At the end of the day, it's the same food as she would have eaten in three separate meal times, but in 7 or 8 instead.
So sugary junk and juice aside, for children, does frequency matter or is it individualized as with adults?
Oh and to add, isn't telling a kid "You eat lunch at noon and if you don't, there is no food until 3" going to encourage them to eat even if not hungry so that they don't get hungry waiting for the next meal or snack time? Isn't that the opposite of healthful eating?
If they're not hungry enough to eat lunch, they shouldn't be hungry enough to need a snack if the next meal is in a reasonable amount of time. If a kid turns their nose up at meals frequently because they're not hungry from snacking, I figure it's time to limit or eliminate snacks. Or, make the snacks proper mini-meals so the kid is getting proper nutrition. The timing and frequency isn't so important other than for convenience.
This. Could the idea that many people can't stand to be a little hungry is why 70% of the population is overweight/obese?1 -
I agree. Too much snacking. Even when my girls were young (now 13 & 20) some mothers didn't leave home without it looking like they were portaging a segment of the Lewis & Clarke expedition.
People also like to use use hunger as an excuse for bad manners in children in my opinion.
But in fairness to children everywhere, there was also not so much constant car travel! Kids get dragged on long commutes to work, all day shopping safaris to regional strip malls, cover ungodly distances for team sports. How could they eat three square meals at home on these schedules?
My upbringing seems so quaint now. We had a hot breakfast every morning. I walked to a neighborhood school. I could goof around until dinner, then bath, homework (very little), and bed for a good 10 hour stretch. And this was until I was driving and working at age 16 or 17. In the summer breakfast was required, then you could pack a lunch and be out on your bike all day. Same drill for dinner, bath, bed. We didn't need snacks. Maybe a piece of local fruit if it was in season. If you were lucky somebody in your family made a batch of cookies on the weekend. There were never seconds! After dinner in the summer a walk to thrifty drug for a 5-cent scoop double cone maybe if mom was feeling expansive. LOL
And a note to mothers of young children everywhere: goldfish crackers are pure crap, plain and simple.0 -
I always snacked as a kid and was rail thin until I intentionally tried to put on weight after high school. Working with the school system as a yard duty monitor now, I really don't see any difference from when I grew up to now, with the exception of how kids show a lot of disrespect to authority than when I was growing up.
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I do not think it's the frequency of the foods/snacks, but the quality/quantity. Additionally, I think weight has a lot to do with our own hunger awareness. As a child, I was often told to "make a happy plate" rather than "Oh, just eat until you're almost/mostly full. The difference? It became ingrained in my psyche to eat until the plate is clear, rather than until fullness. The consequence? Weight gain. For some reason, I cannot handle large meals. I never could. Instead, I eat 6 "mini meals" throughout the day, and some kids may be similar. The downside to that is if I miss my "snack time" or "mini meal" I can feel my attitude shift. Hanger is a real thing. If you skip a meal or a snack, and your blood sugar takes a dip, your brain perceives a life-threatening situation (and may even release adrenaline). Some of it does boil down to your biological makeup and upbringing. Obviously, some people are less prone to enraged outbursts than others. However, I am assuming the schools want to sidestep this problem. Also, there is an increase of diabetes in our society; therefore, it may also be an attempt to alleviate waning blood glucose levels by the end of the day. Anyway, these are all just hypotheses, and are in no way a reflective statement of the way our schools/recreation centers/ society run. It's just an opinion.
There are a few articles about this available online.
Also: I have noticed that there are more healthy options on the children's menu than the adult's menu. At least, this is how it is in my area. Has anyone else noticed this as well?
I went to a restaurant the other day and they offered a fruit and veggie platter on the kids menu, but adults can't order it? So, if I'm a grown up, I must want a cheeseburger?0 -
I don't know if kids snack more now but the snack foods seem to have switched to convenience foods which are less nutritious and healthful IMO....Very generally speaking. Plus snacks seem to be more organized and "sanctioned" than they used to be.
For example, I remember getting orange slices at half time of our soccer games as a kid; nothing at practices. I have been coaching youth soccer over the last 10 years and snacks are at every game and practice, and often consist of a juic box and yogurt tube, package of some gummy candy, or a candy/granola bar. Practices are right after dinner! This is a firmly middleclass area and the kids are all fed. They don't need the snacks already, and they definitely don't NEED candy.
I was coaching basketball this winter and I was battling with a mother who insisted on giving candy to her son at half time, and was trying to give them to the rest of the team because they had been on court for 10-15 minutes. LOL These are 11-13 year old boys. It seemed goofy.
All that being said, my kids snack. A LOT. They homeschool so they can eat when they are hungry. They snack but it is more like mini-meals in quality.
My boys are more focused when they can snack. We go to classes once a week and I pack my 13 year old, who is very mildly autistic, what amounts to a produce bag to snack on. For a 5 hour day I'll often pack him a canteloupe, a couple of peppers, 4-6 mini cucumbers, an apple, a banana, a smokie and a bun, some peanuts, and a pepperoni or two. He is allowed to eat it in class, and he stays much more focused. My younger two will snack less.
As a kid, I snacked. I had oatmeal for breakfast; a half pita sandwich with meat, cheese and lettuce, apple and a juice box; after school I had a banana or two oatmeal cookies (homemade); dinner; and then a bedtime snack of fruit or a cookie (if I didn't get one earlier). I was slim active kid. Beyond the juice, I wouldn't change much about my past diet.1 -
As a mother of 3 (8,7,4), I allow my kids to snack all the time. The rule is, one healthy snack and then one unhealthy snack. So first snack has to be a fruit, applesauce, nuts, organic popcorn, yogurt and then they can have a pre-packaged cheeze-it, goldfish, fruit snack, graham crackers, fruit roll, or something along those lines. They are allowed a dessert after dinner. All of my kids are slim and tall. I think a lot of the snacking allowed in schools is necessary because, according to my kids, they barely have time to eat a full lunch before the bell rings. So I am sure that many kids took lunch home and were hungry when they got there or were in a hurry in the morning and missed most of breakfast. At least now these kids aren't dying of hunger waiting for a bell to ring. My kids still bring lunch home though!
I also have my kids in sports and they are all on the swim team which has practice 5 days a week. As far as treats after a game, I do disagree with that. Mostly because I hate having to be in charge of snacks for 11 other kids! Swimming doesn't require snacks so its the best!!!! In my opinion, you can bring your own kid a snack, healthy or not and give it to them after the game. Team snacks (for small kids) are about reward and comaraderie but unnecessary especially after an hour game or less.0 -
@nvmomketo I think you are right. I do not remember *candy* being a part of our snacks. As a child, I would have half (or 1/3 of) a banana for a snack after school. Sometimes, I would have an apple, orange, berries (whatever happened to be in season at the time). I never considered candy a snack, but a "special treat" that kids earned for Christmas, or something offered at weddings. Then again, special treats for me were Apples with cinnamon, fresh pineapple right out of the peel, or cantaloupe with homemade light topping (plain yogurt, but I didn't know this at the time Granola bars were considered a meal on busy days, and seeing how the macros stack up, I can kind of see why. I didn't consider myself an active child, I was mostly on academic teams; however, my father made me go play outside after school (tag, hide and seek, dodge ball, double dutch etc). Candy during an athletic game seems like a bad idea.0
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I coached my kids' soccer teams. Boy-oh-boy did I fight those team moms over the half-time snack and the juice box after. Even when the kids were in high-school there had to be a sweet drink afterwards -- except on the high school team, where the parents were not involved.
I never saw one of those high-school players become so emaciated that they could not make the next game. Nor do I remember feeling deprived, when I played as a kid, when all we got was water from the water fountain.
It's all too much. It's not the extra calories so much. It's the training, the training that you cannot go for two hours without putting something in your mouth, the training that an activity is not fun if it does not include sugar. Those are bad, bad habits to saddle our youth with.
Wow! Parents are allowed to do this? Where I am, I cannot imagine approaching the kids with snacks or juice or water or whatever mid-practice! They would think I am completely crazy.0 -
I think a lot of the prevalence of snacks can be attributed to the much busier schedules and longer days out of the house that are common for children today. I'm a working mom of 2 boys, ages 4 and 7.
My kids eat breakfast at home around 7am. We leave for the before care program at school at 8 am. They can eat free breakfast at school at 9 am if they choose (they usually do). After that, lunch is at 12:30 pm. Without that second breakfast, they would have 5.5 hours between breakfast at home and lunch. Their lunch period is 18 minutes. That includes the time to get about 100 children from grades PreK to 1st grade into the lunch room, seated, open their lunches (little ones often need help opening bottles of water and sandwich bags) and eating. My kids rarely finish their lunch and I've been there watching them shoving the last of their sandwich in their mouths as they are ushered out for recess. The 4 year old does get an afternoon snack at school, the 7 year old does not. They both get a snack at their after school child care programs. I pick them up around 5:30 and we rush to get to baseball practice or game. If they say they are hungry then, I let them share a bag of animal crackers or something. By the time we get done with practice or the game, and get home, it's 7 pm and we still have to cook and eat dinner, do homework, take baths, and read before bed at 8:30.
That is an incredibly long day for all of us and I can't imagine making it through without all of those snacking opportunities.3 -
We didn't have the choice years ago, nor did we sit in front of tvs or computers. More playing and less junk food !0
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