April 2016 Running Challenge
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Just because fast runners eat 3 bananas doesn't mean eating 3 bananas makes you a fast runner. Its training and time at the "wheel" is just one factor.
The funny thing about averages is that it just means half the people ran more than that. And half reported less on Strava. Reported less. Actual miles ran? Who knows.
Don't worry about other people's times. Follow your plan, stay uninjured and build up slowly.
The article says nothing about the years of training these runners may or may not have. Their weight. Prior experience.5 -
@louubelle16 In addition to the points @EvgeniZyntx already made, two other things that came to my mind:
The article doesn't say anything about how the runners felt afterwards. Maybe the people who did two runs per week finished the marathon, but you've got no idea if they stayed injury-free or not.
Maybe in addition to their two runs, some of them spent huge amounts of time on the bike, but the article doesn't say. Running 26 mi with a weekly basis of 14 mi doesn't sound like it would be fun!
Also, the article doesn't mention pace. According to them, the average weekly time spent running for "Sub 3-hour finishers: 5hs and 22mins". A 3-hour-marathon pace is faster than my 5k race pace! Recently, I've run ~6 hours per week - and I'm not sure if I could run a marathon even in under 5 hours, because I'm slooooow
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@mobycarp- I had to laugh at your comment that you paid the PT to learn what the hip abductor is. I still don’t know, but prefer to remain in the dark.
@ceciliaslater - - love that story! How cute!
@shanaber - Love that article! You have to love her daughter too. Amazing women. My favorite part was her comment after she finished her first 5K:
“Good Lord, I thought that race was never going to end, but afterwards I felt free,” Ms. Keeling recalled. “I just threw off all of the bad memories, the aggravation, the stress.”
4/1- 5.1 miles in the rain
4/2 - rest/travel day
4/3 - 34 miles on bike
4/4 - 5.1 miles (intervals)
4/5 - 5.1 miles - intervals (although slower than yesterday)
4/6 - 22 miles on bike + Strength training
4/7 - 4.2 miles - slow and steady
4/8 - strength training
4/9 - 34 miles on bike
4/10 - 50 miles on bike
4/11 - 5.1 miles - recovery run from all the biking + strength training
4/12 - 4.2 miles
4/13 - rest day (biking rained out).
4/14 - 4.8 miles
4/15 - sick day
4/16 - 4.2 very slow miles (feeling better)
4/17 - 35 miles on bike
4/18 - 5 miles (intervals)
4/19 - strength training
4/20 - 4 miles + 24 mile bike ride
4/21 - 5 miles
4/22 - strength training
4/23 - 34 miles on bike
4/24 - 50 miles on bike
4/25 - 3.9 miles - recovery run
4/26 - 5.2 miles - intervals! Or Fartleks.
4/27 - 4.2 miles + biking tonight (assuming no rain).
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4/1: Rest day!
4/2: 5 miles
4/3: 13.1 Caesar Rodney HM!
4/4: 3 miles with Joe to Go crew
4/5: Rest day
4/6: 10 miles (am), 6 miles (pm)
4/7: 7 miles tempo (am), 6 miles with Thursday crew (pm)
4/8: Rest day
4/9: 22 miles << Last super long run for this training cycle!
4/10: 10 miles
4/11: 6 miles with Joe to Go crew
4/12: Rest day!!!
4/13: 10 miles @ marathon pace
4/14: 8 miles (am), 6.4 miles with Thursday crew (pm)
4/15: Rest day!!
4/16: 10.75 miles + 6k (3.75 miles) race = 14.5 miles
4/17: 7.1 miles
4/18: 6 miles with Joe to Go crew
4/19: Rest day!
4/20: 8 miles
4/21: 6.4 miles with Thursday crew
4/22: Rest day!
4/23: 6 miles
4/24: 10 miles big group run
4/25: 4 miles with Joe to Go crew
4/26: Rest day
4/27: 6 miles
1.5 to warm up, 3 miles at MP (7:45, 7:47, 7:46: am I consistent or what?), 1.5 easy to cool down. This is my last workout before the marathon. Tomorrow's group run is going to ACTUALLY be slow; about half our store group runners are running either the half or the full on Sunday. I wish the paces had felt just a little easier, but I keep telling myself that on a Wednesday morning I haven't eaten, caffeinated or gotten pumped up; on race day those paces will (hopefully) feel easier after breakfast and coffee and with spectators.
Upcoming Races:
3/12: Run O' The Mill 5K: New PR! 21:55
4/3: Caesar Rodney HM: New PR! 1:40:13
4/16: River Horse 6K (Ewing, NJ)
5/1: New Jersey Marathon (Lots of towns, NJ)
5/15: Princeton 5k << social event, not racing!
6/11: Pacers Princeton Halfway Half (Princeton, NJ)
7/4: a fourth of july race somewhere!
11/20: Philadelphia Marathon (Philly, PA)
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4/1- Rest
4/2- 6.23 miles
4/3- 4.01 miles
4/4- Rest
4/5- 4.02 miles
4/6- Rest
4/7- 4.02 Miles
4/8- Rest
4/9- 6.24 Miles
4/10- 4.01 Miles
4/11- Rest
4/12- 4.14 Miles
4/13- 2.2 Miles (first Wednesday Run)
4/14- 4.13 Miles
4/15- Much needed Rest
4/16- 8.2
4/16- 1.4 <- Second little jog, with wife
4/17- Rest <- made myself rest
4/18- Rest <- Normal scheduled Rest day
4/19- 4.1
4/20- Rest<- Part of cut back/heal up
4/21- 4.28 Miles
4/22- 2.0<- Wife’s second run!
4/23- 6.3
4/24- Rest <- took a day after pushing on my 10K TT yesterday.
4/25-Rest
4/26-5.1
4/27- 3
Totals: 73.44/60
Notes on today's run. I was feeling kind of blah this morning. Training plan calls for rest or 30-45 minutes of cross training or running for today, so I decided to do an easy 3 mile run. Averaged around 11:30/mile for a nice easy pace. Sinuses were really acting up though, so my HR was higher than I would have wanted it to be. Apparently my garmin, which I wear almost 24/7 actually started registering the run last night, as my "start time" is 11:37 last night, when I know I was sleeping. That made for some funky looking data graphs. Other than that, not a bad Wednesday run, in between my longer 5 mile runs on Tuesday and Wednesday. Same schedule next week, then starting some speed work the following week.0 -
April
1-no run yet, maybe later
2-13.2mi
3-nothing
4-nothing
5-5.35
6-yoga tonight
7-nope
8-late night tonight(ani difranco concert), so no run this morning
9-nothing
10-nothing
11-4.27mi
12- slept in
13-yoga (foam rolling-esque aerial yoga)
14-nothing
15-nothing
16-my bacholette party-lots of dancing
17-recovery from party.
18-nothing
19-4.86mi hard one
20-5.00mi and yoga
21-nothing
22-2+ hours of aerial yoga
23-1+ hour of aerial yoga
24-nothing
25-nothing yet, maybe later
26-5.15mi easy run. i want to work more on hills than speed. hills are coming in my half marathon.
27-5.06mi technically it was an easy run but I couldn't catch my breath. more hills
RACES:
Jan 16-Frosty 5k-33:43:123 (gun time-don't have chip time)
Feb 13-Steve Cullen Run 8k chip time: 53:37
Feb 15 Puppy Love Virtual Run 10k runkeeper time: 1:13:20
Mar 12-Great Pi Run 5k 32:17
May 7-Door County Half Marathon
May 28-Top Gun Run 5k
June 11-Rock n Sole 1/4 Marathon?
June 19th through Sunday, July 10th SHE Power Virtual Half
July 20-Cream Puff 5k?
July 30-National Watermelon Day 5k?
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@kristinegift - you will do great! You are right, race day will be a whole different atmosphere! And you got your paper done?
@MNLittleFinn - what on Earth? Crazy Garmin!
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@kristinegift - you will do great! You are right, race day will be a whole different atmosphere! And you got your paper done?
Haha not even close! Hoping to get the last sections done today though (about 10-15 more double-spaced pages) and then write the conclusion tomorrow and send it off to my advisor. Then I get to start the love-hate process of editing next week.1 -
@louubelle16 - I have to wonder if the slower marathon runners tended to do more running on the treadmill, which they likely would not have logged in Strava. I agree that 18mpw at peak marathon training seems incredibly low for someone finishing in under 5 hours.0
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@MNLittleFinn
Just saw your "Morning run" on Strava that started at 11pm and was wondering... ;-)
Just in case the funny start bothers you: If you click on the "wrench" symbol in your activities, you should have an option to crop it, i.e. cut away pieces at the beginning or end of an activity if you started the watch too early/stopped too late.
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Date Miles today. Miles for April
4/1 REST DAY
4/2 14.3 miles - 14.3 <<< 13.1 HM + 1.2 warmup
4/3 REST DAY
4/4 4.2 miles - 18.5 << will try and get a second lunch time run in
4/4 4.0 miles - 22.5 << daily double, 3E +1HMP
4/5 8 miles - 30.5
4/6 4.2 miles - 34.7 << easy recovery 4 (taper week)
4/7 6 miles - 40.7
4/8 5 miles - 45.7
4/9 3.3 miles - 49
4/10 14.2 miles - 63.2 << 13.1 + 1.1 w/u
4/11 6.2 miles - 69.4
4/12 9 miles - 78.4
4/12 6.2 miles - 84.6 << daily double
4/13 6.2 miles - 90.8
4/14 9.6 miles - 100.4
4/14 6.2 miles - 106.6 << daily double
4/15 6.2 miles - 112.8 << recovery run
4/16 16 miles - 128.8 << LSD run with a fast finish
4/17 REST DAY
4/18 10.5 miles 139.3
4/19 8 miles 147.3 << Tempo pace for a few miles
4/19 6.2 miles 153.5 << daily double
4/20 6.2 miles - 159.7
4/21 9 miles - 168.7 << Madkin Mnt + some tempo work
4/21 4 miles - 172.7 << daily double
4/22 6.2 miles - 178.9 << recovery day
4/23 17.5 miles - 196.4 << Long run on Madkin & Weeden Mnts 1193 ft elev
4/24 REST DAY
4/25 8 miles - 204.4 << have a daily double planned for later on today
4/25 4 miles - 208.4 << daily double
4/26 8 miles - 216.4
4/26 4 miles - 220.4 << daily double
4/27 6.2 miles - 226.6
Upcoming races:
UAH 8K - 3/6 <<< 34:33 3 in AG
Oak Barrel HM - 4/2 <<<< 1:38:00 3 in AG
Bridge Street HM - 4/10 <<< 1:36:33 3 in AG
PEO-AVN Team Day 5K - 5/4
Cotton Row Run 10K - 5/30
Firecracker Chase 10.2 miler 6/25
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4/1 - 3 miles
4/2 - 5m
4/4 - 3m
4/5 - 4m
4/6 - 4m
4/8 - 3m
4/9 - 5m
4/11 - 3m
4/12 - 2.5m
4/13 - 4.5m
4/14 - 1m
4/15 - 3m
4/16 - 5m
4/18 - 3m
4/19 - 4m
4/20 - 3m
4/21 - 2m
4/22 - 6m
4/23 - 3.1m
4/25 - 3m
4/26 - 5m
4/27 - 4m
Total to date: 79.1 miles
Apr Goal: 85 miles (93.1% complete)
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@MobyCarp so kind, your thoughts are really touching my hurt , I'm actually in the ex-runners heaven
I see that the decision I took to stop posting how many miles I run to avoid reading stupid judgemental comments was the right one
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@_nikkiwolf_ funny thing is, all of the stats, including start and stop location are correct, but for some reason, the start time is really messed up. I could correct the activity start time on GC, but not Strava. It doesn't effect any of the stats, but it just looks really funky when I'm reading it.
I wonder if it's because I had to restart my FR last night because of an issue, and it had the wrong time for a while!0 -
louubelle16 wrote: »I've just read an article on a UK newspaper website which analysed the training patterns 12-weeks pre-race of those who ran the London Marathon last year. When reading it, some of their stats really surprised me:
Some of that weekly mileage seems really low to me, especially for the 4-5hours. I pretty much do that much now over 3 runs but I know a marathon would destroy my body. I don't think I'd make it round! Or so I thought, but maybe that shows I'm wrong and underestimate my body? And according to that and my training plan, my marathon next year should be about 3 hours, which it absolutely will not! Or maybe it will? I'm now confused, the theory doesn't seem to match reality, according to this?
I guess I was just generally surprised to see what people really do and how they perform. Now I don't know what to think about my training...
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/the-running-blog/2016/apr/21/sub-3-marathon-data-strava-london
Someone who is generally low-mileage (30 miles per week or so) might get down to 15 miles or so on a taper, maybe. At each level, those look like about half the normal training miles I would expect to see.
And I agree with @ceciliaslater that maybe they had more treadmill miles.
I am so slow, my half time is barely sub-3 hours! And I was running about 30 miles per week leading up to that point--about 6 hours per week running. I wouldn't have wanted to run a marathon on that...but then again, I'm sure it would take me at least 6 hours to do so.
I went out to run today, but it was raining. So I went back inside. I felt like the Witch of the West and was quite concerned about melting. Tomorrow I go with my friend to chemo, so I likely won't run then, either. But Friday I think I'll do a leg-shake-out and Saturday is a (newly added) race to close out April. It's been a good month, with higher mileage than I anticipated. I only have half of May to run (surgery May 13, with at least a week off) so I think my miles will be much lower, but I'm so excited about the summer and training for a bunch of fall races!
4/1...5.0 @ 12:00 on the TM (4.0 @ 11:15 and 1.0 walking)
4/2....3.1 @ 11:45 through the neighborhood. My ankle hurt the first mile or so, especially on the uphill bits--downhill isn't too bad
4/3...Rest day
4/4...4.6 @ 11:32 on the rail trail and neighborhood streets
4/5...2.8 @ 11:50 on the TM--that's 2.3 (just to make it even!) @ 11:15 and .5 at a walk, plus strength training
4/6...Rest day, but I got to go help out at my son's RunFit club. Next time I'm wearing my own running shoes so I can chase him with a sharp stick so he doesn't walk so much! (That was a joke...don't call CPS or Jeff Galloway...)
4/7...7.0 @ 11:25 on the TM (This was really 6.25 at 11:05 and .75 walking to cool down)
4/8...2.0 @ 12:06 (just had a short time to run while the kids were at gym)
4/9...Unintended rest day. I got dressed to run...that counts for something, right? LOL
4/10...4.6 @ 13:39 with the slow poke pup. We ran about 3 miles in the 12:00 neighborhood and walked the rest. Well, I walked. He sniffed and did...doggy stuff.
4/11...3.0 @ 12:00 ish on the basement beheamoth. The kiddos were home sick from school so I was grounded, too.
4/12...2.25 @ 12:00 on the treadmill and strength training
4/13...6.2 @ 12:34 on the rail trail and neighborhood streets
4/14...Rest Day
4/15...4.75 @ 11:56 on the park trail. I decided to try running with earbuds so I couldn't hear my phone telling me how fast I was going. I settled in to a nice easy pace, but I didn't hold back either. This is the pace I love to run, and it was remarkably consistent, with splits of 11:55, 11:46, 12:03, 11:51 and 12:00.
4/16-17 I've been a slug with a terrible head cold, so no running.
4/18...5.0 @ 12:23 My first run in the heat...I was wilting by mile 4. The funny thing is that I looked at last year's run for today and lo and behold, I told myself then that I should remember water and sunscreen. Some people never learn!
4/19...3.5 @ 13:16 Ugh. I started out with the dog and then had to bring him back home because he just wouldn't get with the program. And then I was just sluggish with breathing troubles (oh, Spring, you are lovely but sneezy!!) It's probably good for me to just do a nice, easy run, but I was still a little disappointed.
4/20...4.75 @ 12:06 on the park trail. I'll be honest and say that I'm surprised my time was this slow--it felt like I was flying. It was a really nice run, though, and the weather was perfect. I think I was smiling the whole time.
4/21...Rest Day. I took my daughter to Temple University to visit with lots of walking...and food trucks!
4/22...3.5 @ a super easy 12:38 on the Perkiomen Trail--it was a wonderful run
4/23...6.25 @ 11:57 on the lake trail and roads for the Healthy Strides Community 10K
4/24...Rest Day
4/25...4.75 @ at an easy 12:23 on a new-to-me lake trail.
4/26...3.0 @ 12:40 (2 running, 1 walking) on the treadmill at the gym, and strength training
4/27-28 Rest Days
4/29...
4/30...
Completed races:
1/18 MLK 8K, Burke, VA 56:14
2/22 Princess Half, Orlando FL, 2:49:33
4/23 Healthy Strides Community 10K, Burke, VA 1:14:29
Upcoming races:
4/30 Run for the Children 8K, Fairfax, VA
5/21 RunFitKidz 5K, Springfield, VA
6/12 Celebrate Fairfax 5K, Fairfax, VA
7/4 Freedom 5K, Fairfax VA
9/5 Great American 5K, Fairfax, VA
Either Hemlock Half or Divas Half in September
10/30 MCM 10K, Washington, DC
11/6 The Parks 10K, Washington, DC
11/19 Potomac River Half, Carderock, MD
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louubelle16 wrote: »I've just read an article on a UK newspaper website which analysed the training patterns 12-weeks pre-race of those who ran the London Marathon last year. When reading it, some of their stats really surprised me:
Some of that weekly mileage seems really low to me, especially for the 4-5hours. I pretty much do that much now over 3 runs but I know a marathon would destroy my body. I don't think I'd make it round! Or so I thought, but maybe that shows I'm wrong and underestimate my body? And according to that and my training plan, my marathon next year should be about 3 hours, which it absolutely will not! Or maybe it will? I'm now confused, the theory doesn't seem to match reality, according to this?
I guess I was just generally surprised to see what people really do and how they perform. Now I don't know what to think about my training...
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/the-running-blog/2016/apr/21/sub-3-marathon-data-strava-london
I can tell you that I ran on average over 50 miles a week for at least 2 years now and still have not sub-3 yet. I am more on the lines of 3-4 hours and I ran way more than 27 miles.
I think that graphic is grostly optimistic and does not represent reality.
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I have an interesting story. I just got done with my run this morning and getting my stuff out of my car when a gentleman walking in the parking lot approached me. He was pointing to the back of my car (where I have a bunch of stickers and such) and wanted to know which gospel in the bible these scriptures are from?
Confused, I walked to the back of my car to see which stickers he was referring to. He was pointing at my 13.1 and 26.2 stickers. He was saying that he saw these numbers a lot on the backs of people's cars. He then continued, I looked up Matthew 13:1 and Matthew 26:2 and in John and in Luke and nothing made sense. I tried my best not to laugh and then explained, no. That's mileages for my Half Marathon and Full Marathon.10 -
@Stoshew71 check out Psalms 13:1 and 26:2. For a runner, 13:1 made me laugh a little, they both fit a little for runners1
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Today was a very hilly 10 mile mid-week long run. I intended to keep my effort down a bit and managed to have a great run right at the effort I was targeting, and even at a slightly faster than expected pace.
4/1 - Rest
4/2 - 14 miles
4/3 - 5 miles
4/4 - 5 miles
4/5 - 5 miles
4/6 - 8 miles
4/7 - 5 miles
4/8 - Rest
4/9 - 13.1 miles
4/10 - 5 miles
4/11 - 5 miles
4/12 - 5 miles
4/13 - 8.3 miles
4/14 - 5 miles
4/15 - Rest
4/16 - 13.3 miles
4/17 - 5 miles
4/18 - 4 miles
4/19 - 4 miles
4/20 - 4 miles
4/21 - 4 miles
4/22 - Rest
4/23 - 13.1 miles (or 12.5???)
4/24 - Rest
4/25 - 6 miles
4/26 - 6 miles
4/27 - 10 miles
152.8/160 miles
Upcoming races:
4/9 - Rock the Parkway half marathon (Kansas City, MO) 2:30:17.6 new PR
4/16 - Garmin Wickedly Fast half marathon (Olathe, KS) 2:28:39.52 new PR
4/23 - Heroes for Hope half marathon (North Kansas City, MO) 2:19:14 new PR
5/1 - Buffalo Bell Stampede half marathon (Leavenworth, KS)
5/14 - Running with the Cows half marathon (Bucyrus, KS)
6/2 - Hospital Hill 5k 7pm PRE-RUN (Kansas City, MO)
6/3 - Hospital Hill half marathon 7am RE-RUN (Kansas City, MO)
9/25 - Broadway Bridge half marathon (Kansas City, MO)
10/15 - Kansas City Marathon 26.2 (Kansas City, MO)
11/5 - Jenks half marathon (Jenks, OK)
11/6 - Kansas half marathon (Lawrence, KS)
11/12 - Longview half marathon (Kansas City, MO)
11/13 - Gobbler Grind half marathon (Overland Park, KS)
11/19 - White River half marathon (Cotter, AR)
11/20 - Pilgrim Pacer half marathon (Lenexa, KS)0 -
@stoshew71 That's funny. Considering there's 66 books in the Bible, it doesn't make much sense to list a verse and chapter with no book! But I have to admit, I kept seeing these cars around town with oval stickers that said 4.12. I finally googled "What race is 4.12 miles long?" and got no answer. I finally got close enough one day to read the fine print on a sticker and it is for the name of a local youth group ministry called "412" but I still don't know what the 412 stands for! I honestly think it may just be the address on the building they meet in.0
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