Is it ok to eat those 2 oreos you've been craving if you jump on the elliptical and burn the 140 cal
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WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Just curious how many others do this??? I've already reached my calorie limit for the day but I've been drooling for some oreos all week... can eat em then burn em off?
slcfitcollective.com/slc-fit-blog/how-does-blood-sugar-affect-weight-loss
@ZLARZ Note how one stops the ability to burn fat and instead can only store fat when eating in a way that increases blood glucose over 100.
Please becareful offering such advice to people who seem to be experiencing symptoms of disordered thinking. It can be dangerous.
You are fully aware I gave no advice in that post. To give or accept dieting advice by the way of social media would be risky behavior at best. The writer of the article points out fat loss in the presents of elevated levels of the hormone Insulin is not going to work out well. That is not advice but a biological fact.
That's an interesting technicality you are falling back on that you "gave no advice" but posting inaccurate information that seems to reinforce some of the disordered thinking that the OP is exhibiting is still irresponsible.
Again, the writer of the article says that it is impossible to lose weight if insulin is present in the body.Such a grossly inaccurate statement should make any reader skeptical about the validity of other content.
I could write the most profound, well researched article about any subject in the world but if I make such a blatantly false error in it, I would expect to have no credibility.
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Wow. You're going to be this weird about food for the rest of your life? Why not simplify it, eat things you enjoy when you want them, and know that you can live like that forever? I don't see this ending well.0
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girlwithcurls2 wrote: »Wow. You're going to be this weird about food for the rest of your life? Why not simplify it, eat things you enjoy when you want them, and know that you can live like that forever? I don't see this ending well.
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Sure why not. It beats just having the oreos and thinking it has zero consequences. I did that for a long time but, i wouldn't stop at two. Now i realize that i'm a grown up if i want more i need to earn it. Kinda like money but, i'm learning that lesson slower2
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I'm glad you're going to let yourself play with more calories. I think you'll be pleased with the results. 3 lbs a week, just isn't sustainable, especially when you're so close to goal. For whatever it's worth, I set myself a 1 lb/week goal when i came here nearly a year ago with about 20 lbs to lose. When I got within 10, I reset it to 1/2 lb/week. I was permuch at my goal in mid-October, and decided I'd make my goal 140-145 pounds. So at 140 (beginning of November) I put myself on maintenance. It's worked out well - I haven't had to set a weight loss goal since. I'm 5-6, by the way, and turned 64 last week. Maintenance for me is 1510 calories.3
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emmadonaldson95 wrote: »Just curious how many others do this??? I've already reached my calorie limit for the day but I've been drooling for some oreos all week... can eat em then burn em off?
I would say you can if you really want but eating what you burn is a really bad habit to get into. Burning is meant to help weightloss not enable you to eat for than you should. Maybe as a 1 off yes but not as a regular thing. E.g. my friends birthday last week was cocktails i made sure to have a huge gym session that day and select the lowest calories cocktails i could but i would never do that regularly.
I would say a better plan is to carefully think about what you want to eat that day either plan at breakfast or the night before and aim to budget in an extra 100 calories to give yourself a little treat in the evening by reducing other consumption in the day.
What if some of us do not enjoy "lowest calorie cocktails" and do not want to miss any events (friend's birthday, friend's kid's baptism, sister's engagement, on and on?WinoGelato wrote: »groetzinger659 wrote: »maybe so. most of us don't have all day to read everything-hence my quick reply.
I also suggest finding some kind of chocolate protein bar instead of oreas-they have more nutrients that the body can use for fuel..that would be my second option...switcheroo=play choices=chose a cookie or choose something better.
You may be too busy to read all the responses but on a site such as this where there are people who have disordered thoughts about food, that can be potentially dangerous as your advice may reinforce their "I want to eat bad food so I must punish myself with exercise" mentality. At a minimum, there are often key details that an OP didn't think to put in their original post that come out later, things like their stats and goals, medical conditions, etc.
From this thread I learned a new term "disordered thinking". So, if the OP used his words wisely and said he wanted everything...the oreos and wt loss also through exercise, he'd be OK?
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girlwithcurls2 wrote: »Wow. You're going to be this weird about food for the rest of your life? Why not simplify it, eat things you enjoy when you want them, and know that you can live like that forever? I don't see this ending well.
Sorry, but I have to agree with this. It's two cookies. 140 calories. That's making no difference to anything (unless it's regularly....). I think it's a bit extreme to think you have to start doing cardio to burn that off. It would be very stressful in the long run having that strict of a mindset.
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There's nothing wrong with eating those two Oreos. Last month I went on vacation for 4 days.
I ate whatever I wanted I drink whatever I wanted. I didn't deny myself anything. One month later I'm down 8 pounds from where I was before I went on vacation.
As long as you don't do it everyday there's nothing wrong with treating yourself. We all are on a long journey and definitely don't want to go back to where we came from. It's like the old car commercial enjoy the journey because if you make the journey miserable you're going to want to get want to get out.
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endlessfall16 wrote: »emmadonaldson95 wrote: »Just curious how many others do this??? I've already reached my calorie limit for the day but I've been drooling for some oreos all week... can eat em then burn em off?
I would say you can if you really want but eating what you burn is a really bad habit to get into. Burning is meant to help weightloss not enable you to eat for than you should. Maybe as a 1 off yes but not as a regular thing. E.g. my friends birthday last week was cocktails i made sure to have a huge gym session that day and select the lowest calories cocktails i could but i would never do that regularly.
I would say a better plan is to carefully think about what you want to eat that day either plan at breakfast or the night before and aim to budget in an extra 100 calories to give yourself a little treat in the evening by reducing other consumption in the day.
What if some of us do not enjoy "lowest calorie cocktails" and do not want to miss any events (friend's birthday, friend's kid's baptism, sister's engagement, on and on?WinoGelato wrote: »groetzinger659 wrote: »maybe so. most of us don't have all day to read everything-hence my quick reply.
I also suggest finding some kind of chocolate protein bar instead of oreas-they have more nutrients that the body can use for fuel..that would be my second option...switcheroo=play choices=chose a cookie or choose something better.
You may be too busy to read all the responses but on a site such as this where there are people who have disordered thoughts about food, that can be potentially dangerous as your advice may reinforce their "I want to eat bad food so I must punish myself with exercise" mentality. At a minimum, there are often key details that an OP didn't think to put in their original post that come out later, things like their stats and goals, medical conditions, etc.
From this thread I learned a new term "disordered thinking". So, if the OP used his words wisely and said he wanted everything...the oreos and wt loss also through exercise, he'd be OK?
Well first, OP is a she, not a he.
Second, as I mentioned in my first post. It's not so much the actuality of what OP is describing that is concerning, it's the way she's phrasing it. Her words convey a tone of using food as a reward and exercise as a punishment, which yes, is a sign of disordered thinking about food and weight loss.
Glad you were able to learn something new today. I enjoy learning from others perspectives and experiences too.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Well, whenever I craved sweets I'd have a little but then burn it off. But then I recently saw some thing where a woman said it's not the same and that's no way to lose weight. I just assumed calorie intake/calorie deficit it's all the same when it comes to weight loss. I know junk food isn't good for you though before anyone states that lol
Again, I think it's better to build a lifestyle that allows for treats rather than having to work them off as though you've done something bad....
But working out is fun.
Have the delicious food ... then go have some fun working it off.
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The more I eat sweets, the more often I want them. I've found it more productive to stay away from my own particular temptations so that the cravings will go away and I won't be miserable thinking about them all the time0
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Do what works for you. If that means maintaining discipline to the point of keeping daily goals really close and that keeps you on track, no reason not to do it. I personally look at goals more on the weekly level, but that's just me.
I tend to look at it in the inverse... go bike or work out hard and then no I can eat what I want for the day because I have 3000 or so calories in hand for the day. But no harm in doing it the other way around if it works for you and keeps you motivated and accountable.
If you really want to figure out your calorie burn you can simply reverse the math. Calculate your loss rate, the food you eat, and you'll end up with your TDEE.
As for the loss rate, I think it's healthier to stay to the 1% rule once you are down to reasonable weights, losing no more than 1% of your body weight per week. By looking at it that way, you change your deficit as you lose, and lose slower as you lighten up.1 -
Will those two turn into three and so on until the packet is gone? That's the problem with some of us with weight to lose we don't know when to stop!3
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katie22mfp wrote: »Will those two turn into three and so on until the packet is gone? That's the problem with some of us with weight to lose we don't know when to stop!
I can't speak for the OP, but for some of us, we can have one or two cookies (whatever fits in our calorie limit) and that's it. Personally I'm more of a hoarder when it comes to food ... I prefer to know that there are still lots left in the cupboard for tomorrow and the next day and the next day ...3 -
It's always ok to eat the oreos.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Well, whenever I craved sweets I'd have a little but then burn it off. But then I recently saw some thing where a woman said it's not the same and that's no way to lose weight. I just assumed calorie intake/calorie deficit it's all the same when it comes to weight loss. I know junk food isn't good for you though before anyone states that lol
Again, I think it's better to build a lifestyle that allows for treats rather than having to work them off as though you've done something bad....
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Eat what you want and exercise. That's what I do and I've been losing pretty steadily. You're an adult, not a dog, so forget about "treats" and eat what you want.2
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I kinda do the opposite.. I prelog my day every morning including treats, so I know how much exercise i need to do to stay in the green.2
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@endlessfall16 - no reason to miss any events. But going to celebrations &c doesn't mean you have to eat and drink everything. If you don't like lowest-calorie cocktails and the higher-calorie ones won't fit in your calorie budget, drink water or fizzy water and eat more food. Alcohol isn't necessary for a good time. 0
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Sure. Have them. But first exercise for an hour then read the ingredients and log the calories. Look up an ingredient you don't recognize. Then set the table and turn off electronics. Have the cookies on a plate with a knife and fork. Enjoy!0
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WinoGelato wrote: »You can do what you are describing, but rather than approaching it as if you have to burn off the food or earn it, you could just use MFP as designed. When you exercise you should be eating back at least a portion of those calories. It's not "burning off the bad food" or "earning your treats", that sounds like you are training a dog. It's just part of your overall plan. Set a reasonable goal for your total amount of weight you're trying to lose. Eat a variety of foods within that calorie goal, focusing on satiating nutrient dense foods but there's nothing wrong with Oreos or any food in moderation. Exercise if you enjoy it, eating back at least a portion of those calories.
What are your stats (height, weight, goal weight and rate of loss)? 1200 cals is the lowest recommended calorie amount for women and many people can lose weight eating far more than that. I lost 30 lbs and never ate less than 1600 cals. Plenty of Oreos, pizza, and wine too. I didn't earn them or punish myself for eating them. I just worked them into my plan.
Good luck!
I agree with this.
Also, there is no reason you have to keep the equation in the context of just 1 day. If you want Oreo's and its 11 PM at night, you don't HAVE to go jump on the elliptical after. You can always just recognize that you were a little higher today and the next day or whatever do a little extra cardio to make sure your calories are evening out. Personally I track my weekly deficit and somedays I'm over and somedays I'm under I just make sure my net deficit balances out at the end of the week.
Your calorie intake seems rather low and your loss rate is greater than most would recommend. You might want to think about increasing your base intake.
ETA: I would think about changing your perspective a little bit. You're not "absolving those sins you've committied with Oreos" you are "balancing your activity with a diet you enjoy while still acheiving your weight loss goals". Its a subtle difference but makes a big mental difference in how you view this whole process.3 -
@endlessfall16 - no reason to miss any events. But going to celebrations &c doesn't mean you have to eat and drink everything. If you don't like lowest-calorie cocktails and the higher-calorie ones won't fit in your calorie budget, drink water or fizzy water and eat more food. Alcohol isn't necessary for a good time.
I agree about not missing any events. I'm not missing anything at all. I'm not into alcohol so much. I just drink my share but I love (my favorite) foods and enjoy them all the way. I create deficits not through moderating with the foods I like. That would be contradicting and annoying. It's through exercising which I enjoy most of the time, and cutbacks in "regular, uneventful" meals. I do not pay attention to calories or portions in these special events/ favorite food meals. 0 -
girlwithcurls2 wrote: »Wow. You're going to be this weird about food for the rest of your life? Why not simplify it, eat things you enjoy when you want them, and know that you can live like that forever? I don't see this ending well.
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Having the odd treat here and there will help you longer term, because you're more likely to stick to your healthier choices longer term if you aren't feeling deprived or 'punished'.
We need to be careful not to think of 'bad' food and 'good' food; WE are not 'bad' for making certain choices and we're not 'good' for making certain choices either. It's just food. Some foods have more nutrients than others. Some foods have more calories than others. It's too easy to get bogged down into a negative, punitive way of thinking about food (and I definitely include myself in this), which is just destructive. Have your Oreo cookies, because you enjoy them. Also, go for a walk - not because you had the cookies, but because you are committed to a healthier lifestyle, and that includes regular exercise. Take care of yourself (body AND soul/spirit!)
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I can't do the two Oreos because it would lead to 4 Oreos, then 6, then 8, and so on...sweets are a trigger for overeating for me. I stick to sugar-free ice cream. But to each his own. If you can eat two Oreos, go for it. Just allow for it in your calories.1
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Just curious how many others do this??? I've already reached my calorie limit for the day but I've been drooling for some oreos all week... can eat em then burn em off?
slcfitcollective.com/slc-fit-blog/how-does-blood-sugar-affect-weight-loss
@ZLARZ Note how one stops the ability to burn fat and instead can only store fat when eating in a way that increases blood glucose over 100.
My blood glucose is ALWAYS >100 d/t T2d . I'm losing fat aeb my fat % dropping when measured by my doc.0 -
Sure. Have them. But first exercise for an hour then read the ingredients and log the calories. Look up an ingredient you don't recognize. Then set the table and turn off electronics. Have the cookies on a plate with a knife and fork. Enjoy!
What??
Now that sounds like punishment.
Seriously just eat the Oreos if you are craving them that bad. Either add in some exercise today, or pre-log the calories for the next day so you can account for them.
Your body isn't a computer that has an end time of when it counts your calorie intake. Just because you have 1200 calories for the day, your body doesn't have a reset at 12:01 am that rolls back to zero for the next day. Your body is constantly burning calories, and as long as it is in a deficit (over time) you will lose weight.
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