Trying to gain more muscle and cutting down fat to look leaner and bigger

Toysoldiers111
Toysoldiers111 Posts: 16 Member
in Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
Worked out for about 2 years, I was 55kg and not I am 75kg I would like to put on mass but would like to be toned but I do not want to be overly big. I current have 24% of fat and I am 6ft tall. Any advice?

Also in need of friends on this app so my time line doesn't look so boring :)

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  • Toysoldiers111
    Toysoldiers111 Posts: 16 Member
    Am in the correct group?
  • xHarrySims
    xHarrySims Posts: 13 Member
    You don't gain and cut at the same time. You go on a bulk, eat everything in sight and workout 5/6 days a week to gain as much muscle as possible for around 3/6 months. Then cut down any fat with intermittent fasting or cutting diet. You can't gain and cut efficiently
  • pbryd
    pbryd Posts: 364 Member
    Cut down to 10-12% bodyfat, then start a slow bulk.
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member
    Toysoldiers111 wrote: »
    Worked out for about 2 years, I was 55kg and not I am 75kg I would like to put on mass but would like to be toned but I do not want to be overly big. I current have 24% of fat and I am 6ft tall. Any advice?

    Also in need of friends on this app so my time line doesn't look so boring :)

    Pick one or the other....can't do both unless you are on 'gear'

    If you are 24% BF, I would suggest cutting back at this point.
  • Toysoldiers111
    Toysoldiers111 Posts: 16 Member
    You guys are awesome, I need this type of advise, I should have joined earlier! Hope you guys can help me out since I am kind of new to all of this.
  • Toysoldiers111
    Toysoldiers111 Posts: 16 Member
    I'm just using pre-work out atm, creatine on my days off and protein shakes. I'm now trying to monitor how much I eat.
  • Toysoldiers111
    Toysoldiers111 Posts: 16 Member
    I feel like I am getting bigger, but I guess I will have to bulk so I can push more then maintain the strength while cutting?
  • Toysoldiers111
    Toysoldiers111 Posts: 16 Member
    edited May 2016
    MityMax96 wrote: »
    Toysoldiers111 wrote: »
    Worked out for about 2 years, I was 55kg and not I am 75kg I would like to put on mass but would like to be toned but I do not want to be overly big. I current have 24% of fat and I am 6ft tall. Any advice?

    Also in need of friends on this app so my time line doesn't look so boring :)

    Pick one or the other....can't do both unless you are on 'gear'

    If you are 24% BF, I would suggest cutting back at this point.

    Cutting back as in slim down more? Im not really that big tho. I would post a picture but can't seem to find one to post one up here.
  • Toysoldiers111
    Toysoldiers111 Posts: 16 Member
    pbryd wrote: »
    Cut down to 10-12% bodyfat, then start a slow bulk.

    I guess your way is different to xharryslims way of doing it then
  • pbryd
    pbryd Posts: 364 Member
    Toysoldiers111 wrote: »
    pbryd wrote: »
    Cut down to 10-12% bodyfat, then start a slow bulk.

    I guess your way is different to xharryslims way of doing it then

    Same basic thing but told from different starting points.

    Because your bodyfat is already high, you should consider cutting first. If you bulk now, you'll only end up fatter.
  • Toysoldiers111
    Toysoldiers111 Posts: 16 Member
    pbryd wrote: »
    Toysoldiers111 wrote: »
    pbryd wrote: »
    Cut down to 10-12% bodyfat, then start a slow bulk.

    I guess your way is different to xharryslims way of doing it then

    Same basic thing but told from different starting points.

    Because your bodyfat is already high, you should consider cutting first. If you bulk now, you'll only end up fatter.

    Thanks for sending me in the right direction and I shall know where to look for information. Should I be lifting till I fail still if I am cutting back?
  • xHarrySims
    xHarrySims Posts: 13 Member
    Toysoldiers111 wrote: »
    I'm just using pre-work out atm, creatine on my days off and protein shakes. I'm now trying to monitor how much I eat.
    Come off the creatine now as your are going to be cutting
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member
    Toysoldiers111 wrote: »
    MityMax96 wrote: »
    Toysoldiers111 wrote: »
    Worked out for about 2 years, I was 55kg and not I am 75kg I would like to put on mass but would like to be toned but I do not want to be overly big. I current have 24% of fat and I am 6ft tall. Any advice?

    Also in need of friends on this app so my time line doesn't look so boring :)

    Pick one or the other....can't do both unless you are on 'gear'

    If you are 24% BF, I would suggest cutting back at this point.

    Cutting back as in slim down more? Im not really that big tho. I would post a picture but can't seem to find one to post one up here.

    Correct.
    Cut down some, and drop weight.
    Assuming you are at 24% Body fat, that is very high, and shows a very bad ratio muscle/fat....which will only get worse if you continue to eat in a surplus/bulk.

    Since you need to cut back, eat less calories, I would suggest try to get your calories and macros from food vs. protein drinks.
  • mreichard
    mreichard Posts: 235 Member
    Not to hijack the thread, but why no creatine when cutting? I'm trying to lose weight and I just started sl5x5 like a month ago. Yesterday, I read that vegetarians (I am one) and guys over 50 (I'm 49) should definitely take creatine, so I bought some. Is it just because of the water retention?
  • Toysoldiers111
    Toysoldiers111 Posts: 16 Member
    mreichard wrote: »
    Not to hijack the thread, but why no creatine when cutting? I'm trying to lose weight and I just started sl5x5 like a month ago. Yesterday, I read that vegetarians (I am one) and guys over 50 (I'm 49) should definitely take creatine, so I bought some. Is it just because of the water retention?

    Feel free to open your opinions
  • bioklutz
    bioklutz Posts: 1,365 Member
    If you are 24% you would want to cut. Images below for a visual comparison to where you are at right now.

    This article is a good read.
    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/initial-body-fat-and-body-composition-changes.html
    "If you’re above 15% body fat (about 24-27% for women), diet first. If you can get to the 10-12% (19-24%) body fat range or so, I think you’ll be in an overall better position to gain mass."

    body-fat-percentage-men.jpg
  • Toysoldiers111
    Toysoldiers111 Posts: 16 Member
    bioklutz wrote: »
    If you are 24% you would want to cut. Images below for a visual comparison to where you are at right now.

    This article is a good read.
    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/initial-body-fat-and-body-composition-changes.html
    "If you’re above 15% body fat (about 24-27% for women), diet first. If you can get to the 10-12% (19-24%) body fat range or so, I think you’ll be in an overall better position to gain mass."

    body-fat-percentage-men.jpg
    Thanks guys you all are so friendly here!
  • Toysoldiers111
    Toysoldiers111 Posts: 16 Member
    edited May 2016
    Toysoldiers111 wrote: »
    bioklutz wrote: »
    If you are 24% you would want to cut. Images below for a visual comparison to where you are at right now.

    This article is a good read.
    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/initial-body-fat-and-body-composition-changes.html
    "If you’re above 15% body fat (about 24-27% for women), diet first. If you can get to the 10-12% (19-24%) body fat range or so, I think you’ll be in an overall better position to gain mass."

    body-fat-percentage-men.jpg
    Thanks guys you all are so friendly here!

    Would I need to change my workout at all while cutting fat, or carry on with my routines?
    bioklutz wrote: »
    If you are 24% you would want to cut. Images below for a visual comparison to where you are at right now.

    This article is a good read.
    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/initial-body-fat-and-body-composition-changes.html
    "If you’re above 15% body fat (about 24-27% for women), diet first. If you can get to the 10-12% (19-24%) body fat range or so, I think you’ll be in an overall better position to gain mass."

    body-fat-percentage-men.jpg

    Would I need to change my workout at all while cutting fat, or carry on with my routines?
  • bioklutz
    bioklutz Posts: 1,365 Member
    As long as you are following a structured program you wouldn't need to change it. If you are looking for something new: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
  • codsterlaing95
    codsterlaing95 Posts: 221 Member
    Cut down to at least 15% and then slow bulk again. 10-12% is more ideal, though.
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member
    mreichard wrote: »
    Not to hijack the thread, but why no creatine when cutting? I'm trying to lose weight and I just started sl5x5 like a month ago. Yesterday, I read that vegetarians (I am one) and guys over 50 (I'm 49) should definitely take creatine, so I bought some. Is it just because of the water retention?

    It's optional.
    If you wish to take creatine, then take it.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,426 MFP Moderator
    mreichard wrote: »
    Not to hijack the thread, but why no creatine when cutting? I'm trying to lose weight and I just started sl5x5 like a month ago. Yesterday, I read that vegetarians (I am one) and guys over 50 (I'm 49) should definitely take creatine, so I bought some. Is it just because of the water retention?

    From the vegans/vegetarians I know, they saw some good benefits from it, even during cuts. You don't really retain water with creatine. Not everyone is a responder to creatine, but those are generally people who tend to eat high levels of meat.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,426 MFP Moderator
    Toysoldiers111 wrote: »
    I'm just using pre-work out atm, creatine on my days off and protein shakes. I'm now trying to monitor how much I eat.

    Creatine is a saturator and shouldn't be taken on just your days off. It should be 5g daily.


    I would also agree that you cut. Your body is more primed to build fat, not muscle when you are at higher body fat percentages.
  • Toysoldiers111
    Toysoldiers111 Posts: 16 Member
    psulemon wrote: »
    Toysoldiers111 wrote: »
    I'm just using pre-work out atm, creatine on my days off and protein shakes. I'm now trying to monitor how much I eat.

    Creatine is a saturator and shouldn't be taken on just your days off. It should be 5g daily.


    I would also agree that you cut. Your body is more primed to build fat, not muscle when you are at higher body fat percentages.

    I mean I use pre work out on the days I go gym which has creatine with it and I just take creatine on its own on rest days.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,426 MFP Moderator
    Toysoldiers111 wrote: »
    psulemon wrote: »
    Toysoldiers111 wrote: »
    I'm just using pre-work out atm, creatine on my days off and protein shakes. I'm now trying to monitor how much I eat.

    Creatine is a saturator and shouldn't be taken on just your days off. It should be 5g daily.


    I would also agree that you cut. Your body is more primed to build fat, not muscle when you are at higher body fat percentages.

    I mean I use pre work out on the days I go gym which has creatine with it and I just take creatine on its own on rest days.

    Ideally, you want 5gs a day. So if that comes from your preworkout, that is fine, as long as you are consistent
  • Toysoldiers111
    Toysoldiers111 Posts: 16 Member
    Are the machines at the gym which measure your, weight and body accurate?
  • Toysoldiers111
    Toysoldiers111 Posts: 16 Member
    edited May 2016
    Toysoldiers111 wrote: »
    Are the machines at the gym which measure your, weight and body accurate?

    I look more in the 15-20% according to the picture above ^
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,426 MFP Moderator
    Toysoldiers111 wrote: »
    Are the machines at the gym which measure your, weight and body accurate?

    They can be off by 6%. So not really.
  • wakamaka
    wakamaka Posts: 27 Member
    Toysoldiers111 wrote: »
    Are the machines at the gym which measure your, weight and body accurate?

    Order yourself some cheap calipers from amazon or eBay if you'd like. Can be as low as $6 and may come with a measuring tape thing. Then compare your own measured to the Gyms to get 2 measured results.

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