Losing weight with unhealthy food
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ncboiler89 wrote: »Labeling food healthy or unhealthy is unhealthy imo.
So much this3 -
mostly nutritious diet that has balanced macros + pizza + calorie deficit = sanity.9
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I eat fresh pizza every other week and also eat dessert but not every night. Moderation.3
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I've lost 80 pounds eating 20% of my calories in 'junk'.6
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beatyfamily1 wrote: »Be aware you are setting yourself up for health problems down the road if this is a consistent thing.
So many facts in this statement I don't know what to do with myself...........
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Dorian1988 wrote: »Should I feel guilty I'm having frozen pizzas and other junk food even if I stick to my goal calorie intake? I realise this will mean that I'll eat less throughout the day than if I had healthy food.
I'm not talking about health here but strictly if it affects the rate of weight loss.
No you should not. Feel guilty about food unless you stole it or harmed someone to get it.
Yes you will still lose weight if the food is in your calorie goal. You can eat cardboard smeared with butter and lose weight if you still have a deficit. That is weight loss not nutrition. Nutritional content helps your body to function and you feel better when your needs are met.
Pizza has nutrients, thus it is not junk or unhealthy food. Frozen pizza might not taste great and maybe has more sodium or fat than a pizza you make yourself but still has nutrients. You can make your own pizza easily. You can throw lean meats, low fat cheeses and tons of low calorie vegetables on a pizza if you'd like. Peppers, onions, spinach, mushrooms, tomato...a whole salad.
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Dorian1988 wrote: »Should I feel guilty I'm having frozen pizzas and other junk food even if I stick to my goal calorie intake? I realise this will mean that I'll eat less throughout the day than if I had healthy food.
I'm not talking about health here but strictly if it affects the rate of weight loss.
Long term caloric deficit will result in weight loss. /thread
You can still eat "plenty of Junk" EVERY DAY and still be "healthy" per metabolic chem panels, blood pressure, heart rate, etc.......
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Dorian1988 wrote: »Should I feel guilty I'm having frozen pizzas and other junk food even if I stick to my goal calorie intake? I realise this will mean that I'll eat less throughout the day than if I had healthy food.
I'm not talking about health here but strictly if it affects the rate of weight loss.
Should you feel guilty? Of course not!! It's food!! As long as you stick to your daily calories, even if all you eat is frozen pizzas and other junk food, then yes... YOU WILL LOSE WEIGHT!! :flowerforyou:3 -
OP you may find this thread interesting...
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10348650/cico-still-skeptical-come-inside-for-a-meticulous-log-that-proves-it/p13 -
You're asking if you should feel guilty, and I (and most of the others posting here) say no. But are you asking because you do indeed feel guilty?
If that is the case, maybe on the days you are eating frozen pizza, pair it with something nutritionally dense or fresh and low cal. Throw a side of fresh string beans and garlic in the oven to roast while the pizza is heating. Eat it with a side salad or a cup of veggie soup.
Even when I plan and exercise and have a surplus of calories ready to go, eating a bunch of fried chicken wings from my favorite takeout place leaves me with a little guilt. Or poutine. Eating poutine is my favorite, but the guilt incapacitates me for hours. (I may be confusing guilt with gravy. Either way. . .)
Basically, I feel a little better mentally if I have some kind of vegetable with my pile of wings.0 -
Dorian1988 wrote: »Should I feel guilty I'm having frozen pizzas and other junk food even if I stick to my goal calorie intake? I realise this will mean that I'll eat less throughout the day than if I had healthy food.
I'm not talking about health here but strictly if it affects the rate of weight loss.
The only real danger is the bolded. If you are eating pizza often is there calorie "creep" because you find it is not filling you enough for the density of the calories and you struggle to maintain the caloric deficit due to hunger later. Best laid plans of mice and men and all that.
I avoid it as 95g or 1/6th of a pizza for 360cal (delisso deluxe rising crust) just doesn't keep me full and makes it harder later. For those same kcals I get chicken breast, rice, veggies and salad and I'm full.
The only problem with food like pizza now and again is portion control. If you can control the portion then good on ya!1 -
Most pizza has tons of saturated fat and astronomical sodium. The micros from veggies (typically onions, mushrooms & peppers) are minimal because you are getting very small quantity of veggies per slice, depending of course on the type of pizza toppings you get. I'm not saying not to eat pizza, but let's keep the facts real!cerise_noir wrote: »There is NOTHING wrong with pizza...NOTHING.
It contains carbs, fats, calcium, lots of protein, good micros from the veggies...
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Eh. I eat pizza, tacos, Burger King, candy bars, cakes, and even *gasp* drink diet soda regularly. My doc says I am healthy, so I will stick with the professional medical opinion. And the french fries.9
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No....eating frozen (or any other pizza) on occasion is NOT setting yourself up for health problems....beatyfamily1 wrote: »Be aware you are setting yourself up for health problems down the road if this is a consistent thing.
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cerise_noir, I couldnt agree more. I just got weighed today at the docs - down 77 pounds from October last year, great blood pressure and bloodwork, and I havent cut out a thing - just moderated portions and frequency. And I do sweet f*** all for exercise too!! And I have hypothyroid. And I am old. Its just a calories thing, unless you have a complicating medical issue.2
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louisepaul16 wrote: »beatyfamily1 wrote: »Be aware you are setting yourself up for health problems down the road if this is a consistent thing.
for eating frozen pizza? really?
interesting.
If frozen pizza is all you eat, then of course! Pizza is great for an occasional thing, once a week, or once every 2 weeks as a not so healthy meal, but you can't really compare a frozen pizza with a salad, or salmon and broccoli can you now?
There is a lot of fat in pizza, sugar, and additives and preservatives, it's certainly not the food of champions now is it?
As stated by others, no one is saying eat only pizza, stop erecting straw men to make your point. Fat is not in and of itself bad as long as its calories are taken into account. The whole low fat eating approach has far less to commend it than previously thought. As for frozen pizza having lots of additives and preservatives, the last two frozen pizzas I had had no food additives or preservatives. All the ingredients were normal things I would have used making a pizza from scratch at home. For those pronunciation challenged people, not one ingredient you would struggle to pronounce. It even had lots of spinach on it and we all know from Popeye that spinach is amazing
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Dorian1988 wrote: »Should I feel guilty I'm having frozen pizzas and other junk food even if I stick to my goal calorie intake? I realise this will mean that I'll eat less throughout the day than if I had healthy food.
I'm not talking about health here but strictly if it affects the rate of weight loss.
Why would you feel guilty? Losing weight with unhealthy food is healthier than staying fat for sure!3 -
ncboiler89 wrote: »Labeling food healthy or unhealthy is unhealthy imo.
Interesting. How is a label detrimental to my health?2 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »ncboiler89 wrote: »Labeling food healthy or unhealthy is unhealthy imo.
Interesting. How is a label detrimental to my health?
Maybe not yours or mine but labelling perfectly normal food as unhealthy does cause some people stress and can also make it hard for people to hit an appropriate calorie goal whether losing, maintaining or gaining weight.4 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »ncboiler89 wrote: »Labeling food healthy or unhealthy is unhealthy imo.
Interesting. How is a label detrimental to my health?
Maybe not yours or mine but labelling perfectly normal food as unhealthy does cause some people stress and can also make it hard for people to hit an appropriate calorie goal whether losing, maintaining or gaining weight.
Hmm, well I do agree that stress is unhealthy.0 -
If you can moderate your intake such that you do not go over your calorie goals, which you say you are not going over, eat the frozen pizza! Moderation seems to be working for you, keep at it! You're not setting yourself up for failure-don't listen to those people. Weight loss is all about finding what is sustainable for YOU. I cut out a ton of food the first time I lost weight, and here I am again, trying moderation [read: eating pizza, ice cream, chips, etc in portions that will fit with calorie goals] and I've lost 26lbs so far. It is working for me so far.
I agree with another poster that asked if you are *actually* feeling guilty if you are asking if you *should* feel guilty. Overcoming an unhealthy relationship with food myself, I think it would be beneficial to ask why you are feeling guilty about eating pizza, even though it fits within your calorie goals. Is it because it has a label of "junk" or an "unhealthy" food? Perhaps you are getting flack from other people because they don't understand calories in/calories out? Think of it this way: Is eating pizza keeping you from going off-the-wall-binging, or keeping you sane in the midst of changing your eating habits? Then in my book, pizza sounds like an emotional/mental health benefit. There are many ways to be healthy
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If I couldn't eat pizza on occasion I would just assume put a gun to my head and end it all. That said, going forward I realize I can't eat as much as I used to, but I'm still going to eat it.2
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Massive thanks to all of you guys for your advices and debates on the matter. I can't answer to each of you, but I read all your comments and it changed my perspective a lot.11
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Dorian1988 wrote: »Massive thanks to all of you guys for your advices and debates on the matter. I can't answer to each of you, but I read all your comments and it changed my perspective a lot.
Hooray! A thread with a happy ending!2 -
If I couldn't eat pizza on occasion I would just assume put a gun to my head and end it all. That said, going forward I realize I can't eat as much as I used to, but I'm still going to eat it.
Sorry I know we have a happy ending but this is amazing. And spot on. Although my attempts at making my own pizza to control the ingredients going in it ended up making my dogs a little happy (because...cheese).0 -
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BALANCE.
People on both sides of these debates kinda get crazy in their commenting. Chances are both sets of people actually try to include nutritionally dense, low calorie foods in their typical diet.
I don't think guilt is something that should be attached to food. It should be more along the lines of, "Does this fit my calorie goals? Does this fit in with my macros and other food choices today?", and if you're meeting your macros and nutrients more often than not, then sometimes it's fine to say, "Who cares? It fits in my calories."
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The problem here is you will become deprived of key nutrients and vitamins while have excess lipids in your blood causing high cholesterol.
Also a calorie is not a calorie. While the key to weight loss is calories in vs calories out there is also something called an empty calorie, which gives you no nutritional benefit. Also while eating just "junk food" or empty calories at a calorie deficit will make you lose muscle, not fat. Even if you are excersizing your body doesn't have the nutrients it need to build muscle. So when you lose weight you will still look bigger than you actually weight because you will have excess fat on your body from all the junk food.0 -
The beauty about some nutritionally richer foods is that they're generally lower in calories. It's possible to fit both the cake and the salad into one's daily calories.FloralBlossom wrote: »The problem here is you will become deprived of key nutrients and vitamins while have excess lipids in your blood causing high cholesterol.
Also a calorie is not a calorie. While the key to weight loss is calories in vs calories out there is also something called an empty calorie, which gives you no nutritional benefit. Also while eating just "junk food" or empty calories at a calorie deficit will make you lose muscle, not fat. Even if you are excersizing your body doesn't have the nutrients it need to build muscle. So when you lose weight you will still look bigger than you actually weight because you will have excess fat on your body from all the junk food.5
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