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Sugar or Sweetener?
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MYTH: Insulin Makes You Hungry
FACT: Insulin Suppresses Appetite
It is a well known fact that insulin acutely suppresses appetite. This has been demonstrated in dozens and dozens of experiments.
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/index.php/free-content/free-content/volume-1-issue-7-insulin-and-thinking-better/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/5 -
Either, can live without both.0
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Erythritol ftw. I can't help but love the stuff.0
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I use sugar, a tsp is like 16 calories? So what..it's really not that much to be worried about.0
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I am a newly-admitted diabetic, but I've used xylitol for years, having lost 124 lbs. I tried stevia but just can't do it. I do drink diet pop, which use other sweeteners.0
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Give me some sugar. Sweeteners taste disgusting and life is too short to eat disgusting things.0
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I don't have a study to share but do think artificial sugar does something to make me want to eat more. It stays in check if I limit it. Only like it in drinks and packaged foods. I have tried baking with it but haven't had much success.0
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I've never liked the taste of sweeteners, so I will use sugar or honey.0
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FunkyTobias wrote: »
MYTH: Insulin Makes You Hungry
FACT: Insulin Suppresses Appetite
It is a well known fact that insulin acutely suppresses appetite. This has been demonstrated in dozens and dozens of experiments.
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/index.php/free-content/free-content/volume-1-issue-7-insulin-and-thinking-better/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
^ This ^
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Sugar is an essential part of our diet. Refined sugar is a killer. Like most things, if it's natural it's good, if it's artifical it's bad. Stevia is an exception, use that as a sweetner if you want, however the best and most healthy source is natural brown sugar.
Also, insulin is usually the main point of focus in discussions and heath programs, however equally important to insulin is glucagon. By consuming natural sugar sources, the sugar is converted into glycogen. A healthy pancreas can then release glucagon when the body needs it. Correctly functioning glucagon release is the key to insulin sensitivity, since insulin and glucagon are two heads of the same beast so to speak - they complement one another in every way imaginable.0 -
Sugar is an essential part of our diet. Refined sugar is a killer. Like most things, if it's natural it's good, if it's artifical it's bad. Stevia is an exception, use that as a sweetner if you want, however the best and most healthy source is natural brown sugar.
Also, insulin is usually the main point of focus in discussions and heath programs, however equally important to insulin is glucagon. By consuming natural sugar sources, the sugar is converted into glycogen. A healthy pancreas can then release glucagon when the body needs it. Correctly functioning glucagon release is the key to insulin sensitivity, since insulin and glucagon are two heads of the same beast so to speak - they complement one another in every way imaginable.
Artificial sweeteners are not inherently bad.2 -
Sugar is an essential part of our diet. Refined sugar is a killer. Like most things, if it's natural it's good, if it's artifical it's bad. Stevia is an exception, use that as a sweetner if you want, however the best and most healthy source is natural brown sugar.
Also, insulin is usually the main point of focus in discussions and heath programs, however equally important to insulin is glucagon. By consuming natural sugar sources, the sugar is converted into glycogen. A healthy pancreas can then release glucagon when the body needs it. Correctly functioning glucagon release is the key to insulin sensitivity, since insulin and glucagon are two heads of the same beast so to speak - they complement one another in every way imaginable.
You do retailer "natural brown sugar" is the name that cane sugar is marketed under when it's refined with a single crystallization process?1 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »
MYTH: Insulin Makes You Hungry
FACT: Insulin Suppresses Appetite
It is a well known fact that insulin acutely suppresses appetite. This has been demonstrated in dozens and dozens of experiments.
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/index.php/free-content/free-content/volume-1-issue-7-insulin-and-thinking-better/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
Yeah, there are studies where insulin is injected into animals' brains... and then there are studies based on humans, in real life: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1490021/
Insulin may have some anorexigenic effects in the brain, but when your insulin is chronically elevated and/or your insulin resistant, lowering insulin so that you actually have alternating periods of low or high insulin (as his graph displays) is important.
And the insulin response from protein is caused by incretins, which also delay gastric emptying and promote satiety--unlike that from refined carbohydrates.0 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »
MYTH: Insulin Makes You Hungry
FACT: Insulin Suppresses Appetite
It is a well known fact that insulin acutely suppresses appetite. This has been demonstrated in dozens and dozens of experiments.
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/index.php/free-content/free-content/volume-1-issue-7-insulin-and-thinking-better/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
Yeah, there are studies where insulin is injected into animals' brains... and then there are studies based on humans, in real life: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1490021/
Two words: Texas Sharpshooter
See also: p-hackingInsulin may have some anorexigenic effects in the brain, but when your insulin is chronically elevated and/or your insulin resistant, lowering insulin so that you actually have alternating periods of low or high insulin (as his graph displays) is important.
And the insulin response from protein is caused by incretins, which also delay gastric emptying and promote satiety--unlike that from refined carbohydrates.
And the goalposts move again.
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Sugar is an essential part of our diet. Refined sugar is a killer. Like most things, if it's natural it's good, if it's artifical it's bad. Stevia is an exception, use that as a sweetner if you want, however the best and most healthy source is natural brown sugar.
Also, insulin is usually the main point of focus in discussions and heath programs, however equally important to insulin is glucagon. By consuming natural sugar sources, the sugar is converted into glycogen. A healthy pancreas can then release glucagon when the body needs it. Correctly functioning glucagon release is the key to insulin sensitivity, since insulin and glucagon are two heads of the same beast so to speak - they complement one another in every way imaginable.
You do know that natural sugar and refined sugar are the same substance, right?6 -
Sugar is an essential part of our diet. Refined sugar is a killer. Like most things, if it's natural it's good, if it's artifical it's bad. Stevia is an exception, use that as a sweetner if you want, however the best and most healthy source is natural brown sugar.
This is pure chemophobia/appeal to nature fallacy.
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Sugar is an essential part of our diet. Refined sugar is a killer. Like most things, if it's natural it's good, if it's artifical it's bad. Stevia is an exception, use that as a sweetner if you want, however the best and most healthy source is natural brown sugar.
This is pure chemophobia/appeal to nature fallacy.
Holy crap, those are a thing now? I mean, I know they are, and I've called people out on it before, because nine out of ten times, nature wants to kill you, not feed you.
I just didn't know they were being called by names. I need to get out more.3 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »
MYTH: Insulin Makes You Hungry
FACT: Insulin Suppresses Appetite
It is a well known fact that insulin acutely suppresses appetite. This has been demonstrated in dozens and dozens of experiments.
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/index.php/free-content/free-content/volume-1-issue-7-insulin-and-thinking-better/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
Yeah, there are studies where insulin is injected into animals' brains... and then there are studies based on humans, in real life: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1490021/
Insulin may have some anorexigenic effects in the brain, but when your insulin is chronically elevated and/or your insulin resistant, lowering insulin so that you actually have alternating periods of low or high insulin (as his graph displays) is important.
And the insulin response from protein is caused by incretins, which also delay gastric emptying and promote satiety--unlike that from refined carbohydrates.
It really is OK to just acknowledge you got something wrong rather than go off at a tangent.
You obviously have a hunger for knowledge but it's self-limiting if you only want "facts" that support your bias.
“Take a walk outside - it will serve you far more than pacing around in your mind.”
― Rasheed Ogunlaru6 -
I use sugars like honey,maple syrup and raw sugar in small amounts (I normally drink water and only take milk in my coffee). Depends what im using it for.
I try to stay away from the refined and bleached white sugar,etc.
I also try to stay away from artifical sweetners.0 -
Something to consider:
https://www.verywell.com/thyroid-patients-should-avoid-artificial-sweeteners-32330200 -
Sorry for the second post. I don't see an edit button.
What I meant to add is that if you actually knew what was in artificial sweeteners, and knew how they are made, you might think twice. Would you eat formaldehyde? Mmmmmm. Formaldehyde. Yum, right? No? Thought not.
I stopped using anything with aspartame in it when i realized that my sinusitis was made much, much worse when I used it. I had reached the point where I could not sleep at night because my nose was so blocked. Within a week of discontinuing it, my breathing started to improve.0 -
Sorry for the second post. I don't see an edit button.
What I meant to add is that if you actually knew what was in artificial sweeteners, and knew how they are made, you might think twice. Would you eat formaldehyde? Mmmmmm. Formaldehyde. Yum, right? No? Thought not.
I stopped using anything with aspartame in it when i realized that my sinusitis was made much, much worse when I used it. I had reached the point where I could not sleep at night because my nose was so blocked. Within a week of discontinuing it, my breathing started to improve.
I know what's in them. I know how they're made. I still eat them when they fit into my goals better than other sweeteners. Is it just me or is it rather condescending to suggest that I must not know what they are if I use them?8 -
Sorry for the second post. I don't see an edit button.
What I meant to add is that if you actually knew what was in artificial sweeteners, and knew how they are made, you might think twice. Would you eat formaldehyde? Mmmmmm. Formaldehyde. Yum, right? No? Thought not.
So no apples, bananas, onions, carrots, beets, cabbage, cauliflower, cucumber, grapes, pears, plums, tomatoes, spinach, watermelon, beef pork, poultry, dairy, cod, shrimp, etc?I stopped using anything with aspartame in it when i realized that my sinusitis was made much, much worse when I used it. I had reached the point where I could not sleep at night because my nose was so blocked. Within a week of discontinuing it, my breathing started to improve.
This should be required reading
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary/p15 -
Wow. Such hostility.
FunkyTobias and Diannethegeek, did either of you read the article about thyroid patients and artificial sweeteners? I AM a thyroid patient, and this information is quite relevant -- and the danger is very real.
But hey, this is this first and last time I try to add something that might help someone else on this forum.
See you all later.1 -
Sorry for the second post. I don't see an edit button.
What I meant to add is that if you actually knew what was in artificial sweeteners, and knew how they are made, you might think twice. Would you eat formaldehyde? Mmmmmm. Formaldehyde. Yum, right? No? Thought not.
I stopped using anything with aspartame in it when i realized that my sinusitis was made much, much worse when I used it. I had reached the point where I could not sleep at night because my nose was so blocked. Within a week of discontinuing it, my breathing started to improve.
I'll read your link about the thyroid if you read this one about formaldehyde. Deal?
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/intheworkplace/formaldehyde2 -
Wow. Such hostility.
FunkyTobias and Diannethegeek, did either of you read the article about thyroid patients and artificial sweeteners? I AM a thyroid patient, and this information is quite relevant -- and the danger is very real.
But hey, this is this first and last time I try to add something that might help someone else on this forum.
See you all later.
No, I didn't because I don't put much stock in random websites.
Now if you have any citations from actual reliable sources, I'm all ears.
And nobody is denying the fact that cretain subsets of the population need to avoid certain substances due to medical conditions and/or sensitivities.
If, in fact, formaldehyde is problematic for thyroid patients then you should avoid artificial sweeteners that contain it, as well as all the foods I listed above. But statements like "would you eat formaldehyde?" are nothing more than fear mongering.8 -
Sorry for the second post. I don't see an edit button.
What I meant to add is that if you actually knew what was in artificial sweeteners, and knew how they are made, you might think twice. Would you eat formaldehyde? Mmmmmm. Formaldehyde. Yum, right? No? Thought not.
I stopped using anything with aspartame in it when i realized that my sinusitis was made much, much worse when I used it. I had reached the point where I could not sleep at night because my nose was so blocked. Within a week of discontinuing it, my breathing started to improve.
There is no formaldehyde in artificial sweeteners. When your body metabolizes aspartame, it creates a small amount of methanol, which then gets further metabolized to formaldehyde.
http://www.andeal.org/topic.cfm?cat=4089
"The fact that methanol and formaldehyde are breakdown products of aspartame sounds scary to consumers. Therefore, it is important to know that formaldehyde is produced by our bodies every day in amounts thousands of times greater than you would ever get from aspartame, as it is a key metabolite that is needed to make other essential compounds, including DNA."3 -
I was thinking of putting a stevia plant in my garden. I've been mostly abstaining from all sweeteners because I don't like the idea of the chemicals nor of refined sugar. I sort of like black coffee and unsweetened tea now.
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Usually artificial sweeteners are just chemical cocktails and that's why they're low calorie.. Sugar is high in sugar (lol) but can be sourced naturally. Agave and stevia are the same.0
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DNA is a chemical cocktail.7
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