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Should junk food be taxed?
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Nope!WinoGelato wrote: »What if I buy only the USDA approved foods but I hoard them and over consume them, thus continuing to be obese and unhealthy? The proposed card limiting what individuals can and can't purchase is intrusive enough, but in order to ensure full compliance and optimal health, don't you also need to monitor and control their actual intake and the activity of the individual as well? Are we going to have guards assigned to our houses to make sure that we eat the healthy foods in healthy amounts and get healthy amounts of exercise too? I mean, if that is the most important goal of our society, to be healthy for us and for our children, then we should also be willing to have someone directly monitor our consumption too, right?
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Aren't black market dealers criminals? Because it sounds like you're saying, "If there were a food card, I'd become a criminal."mskessler89 wrote: »
Forgoing healthy food so that you can buy up a lot of sugar and sell it on some black market sounds very foolish. Is that really what you want? To become a criminal and eat unhealthy food? Those two things sound like the insane things to me.mskessler89 wrote: »
It could be set up with a yearly limit, easy. They could even print warning on receipts like they do with the gas discounts so people don't forget or go too crazy. It really wouldn't be that hard and people would start learning what healthy eating is about.mskessler89 wrote: »
If you bought in bulk it would just last longer so it's really not an issue. You get so much of this and that. If you want to buy it all once, do that. Your choice. You like choice, right? So choose. It's your diet and your allotment do whatever you want with it.WinoGelato wrote: »
I do not know. I just do not know the answer for alcohol.mskessler89 wrote: »Maybe have smaller bottles of alcohol? Same price but little bottles?
So make the wine industry entirely change their production model? Nope. Also, alcohol is a good example of something I might buy in large quantities for a party - I guess parties are out the window because 1) a host can't buy all the supplies needed on their card and 2) it's not guaranteed people would only consume their "share" at a party. No more parties, guys.
You haven't answered my question about how people who buy things in bulk to save money would be able to use their card, either.
Buy in bulk. Who said anything about stopping you? You're making it more complicated than it needs to be.
But if people have pre set limits on their cards as you previously suggested, then surely buying in bulk would exceed those limits...
You seem to think this is so simple but fail to grasp the limitless nuanced complexities of such a proposal...
Nobody is being told what to eat or how to shop.
Oh, ok! I get it! Over the course of MY ENTIRE LIFETIME, I get 20,000 lbs of chicken! If I eat that by the time I'm 40, then I get no more chicken for the rest of my life. I just need to budget my whole life out! Totes got this. So on board now.
Let's see. I'll gamble that I won't like Cheetos between ages 60 and 90. So starting when I'm 30, I'll double up on my Cheetos purchases. Prunes are something I'll need when I'm older but not so much right now, so I'll save all of those for old age. This will work just fine.
We have to do something. We are an unhealthy country and it is costing us money.
A yearly budget would probably be better for my aims at being a junk food dealer on the black market. Sugar addicts would use up their allotment within the first 3-6 months. Then I can start buying mine and doling it out for quadruple profits. My husband's too, since I do the shopping. And maybe I could get a couple of my friends in the action. Ooooh, I could have my friends who live overseas ship in Oreos by the case. I'd make a ton of money, then one day, bam! I move to Fiji and retire... And purchase and eat whatever I want with no limits.
Guys, we have to make this happen. I know how I'm going to get rich now!!!
No no, I'm still eating healthy food! And I never said anything about becoming a criminal, just a dealer on the black market. It's kind of the same idea as having a limit on what you can buy, but being able to buy whatever you want. Don't you see the similarity??????
Pssh you're misunderstanding. I'm saying if there were a food card, I'd move to Fiji. After taking advantage of the lucrative business opportunities available by supplying Carlos with bonus Oreos. It's really not that hard.1 -
Move to Fiji if you like, but the tax is coming.mskessler89 wrote: »
Aren't black market dealers criminals? Because it sounds like you're saying, "If there were a food card, I'd become a criminal."mskessler89 wrote: »
Forgoing healthy food so that you can buy up a lot of sugar and sell it on some black market sounds very foolish. Is that really what you want? To become a criminal and eat unhealthy food? Those two things sound like the insane things to me.mskessler89 wrote: »
It could be set up with a yearly limit, easy. They could even print warning on receipts like they do with the gas discounts so people don't forget or go too crazy. It really wouldn't be that hard and people would start learning what healthy eating is about.mskessler89 wrote: »
If you bought in bulk it would just last longer so it's really not an issue. You get so much of this and that. If you want to buy it all once, do that. Your choice. You like choice, right? So choose. It's your diet and your allotment do whatever you want with it.WinoGelato wrote: »
I do not know. I just do not know the answer for alcohol.mskessler89 wrote: »Maybe have smaller bottles of alcohol? Same price but little bottles?
So make the wine industry entirely change their production model? Nope. Also, alcohol is a good example of something I might buy in large quantities for a party - I guess parties are out the window because 1) a host can't buy all the supplies needed on their card and 2) it's not guaranteed people would only consume their "share" at a party. No more parties, guys.
You haven't answered my question about how people who buy things in bulk to save money would be able to use their card, either.
Buy in bulk. Who said anything about stopping you? You're making it more complicated than it needs to be.
But if people have pre set limits on their cards as you previously suggested, then surely buying in bulk would exceed those limits...
You seem to think this is so simple but fail to grasp the limitless nuanced complexities of such a proposal...
Nobody is being told what to eat or how to shop.
Oh, ok! I get it! Over the course of MY ENTIRE LIFETIME, I get 20,000 lbs of chicken! If I eat that by the time I'm 40, then I get no more chicken for the rest of my life. I just need to budget my whole life out! Totes got this. So on board now.
Let's see. I'll gamble that I won't like Cheetos between ages 60 and 90. So starting when I'm 30, I'll double up on my Cheetos purchases. Prunes are something I'll need when I'm older but not so much right now, so I'll save all of those for old age. This will work just fine.
We have to do something. We are an unhealthy country and it is costing us money.
A yearly budget would probably be better for my aims at being a junk food dealer on the black market. Sugar addicts would use up their allotment within the first 3-6 months. Then I can start buying mine and doling it out for quadruple profits. My husband's too, since I do the shopping. And maybe I could get a couple of my friends in the action. Ooooh, I could have my friends who live overseas ship in Oreos by the case. I'd make a ton of money, then one day, bam! I move to Fiji and retire... And purchase and eat whatever I want with no limits.
Guys, we have to make this happen. I know how I'm going to get rich now!!!
No no, I'm still eating healthy food! And I never said anything about becoming a criminal, just a dealer on the black market. It's kind of the same idea as having a limit on what you can buy, but being able to buy whatever you want. Don't you see the similarity??????
Pssh you're misunderstanding. I'm saying if there were a food card, I'd move to Fiji. After taking advantage of the lucrative business opportunities available by supplying Carlos with bonus Oreos. It's really not that hard.
A card would be easier and I think it would be healthier, but the tax is coming and that is good.
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Move to Fiji if you like, but the tax is coming.mskessler89 wrote: »
Aren't black market dealers criminals? Because it sounds like you're saying, "If there were a food card, I'd become a criminal."mskessler89 wrote: »
Forgoing healthy food so that you can buy up a lot of sugar and sell it on some black market sounds very foolish. Is that really what you want? To become a criminal and eat unhealthy food? Those two things sound like the insane things to me.mskessler89 wrote: »
It could be set up with a yearly limit, easy. They could even print warning on receipts like they do with the gas discounts so people don't forget or go too crazy. It really wouldn't be that hard and people would start learning what healthy eating is about.mskessler89 wrote: »
If you bought in bulk it would just last longer so it's really not an issue. You get so much of this and that. If you want to buy it all once, do that. Your choice. You like choice, right? So choose. It's your diet and your allotment do whatever you want with it.WinoGelato wrote: »
I do not know. I just do not know the answer for alcohol.mskessler89 wrote: »Maybe have smaller bottles of alcohol? Same price but little bottles?
So make the wine industry entirely change their production model? Nope. Also, alcohol is a good example of something I might buy in large quantities for a party - I guess parties are out the window because 1) a host can't buy all the supplies needed on their card and 2) it's not guaranteed people would only consume their "share" at a party. No more parties, guys.
You haven't answered my question about how people who buy things in bulk to save money would be able to use their card, either.
Buy in bulk. Who said anything about stopping you? You're making it more complicated than it needs to be.
But if people have pre set limits on their cards as you previously suggested, then surely buying in bulk would exceed those limits...
You seem to think this is so simple but fail to grasp the limitless nuanced complexities of such a proposal...
Nobody is being told what to eat or how to shop.
Oh, ok! I get it! Over the course of MY ENTIRE LIFETIME, I get 20,000 lbs of chicken! If I eat that by the time I'm 40, then I get no more chicken for the rest of my life. I just need to budget my whole life out! Totes got this. So on board now.
Let's see. I'll gamble that I won't like Cheetos between ages 60 and 90. So starting when I'm 30, I'll double up on my Cheetos purchases. Prunes are something I'll need when I'm older but not so much right now, so I'll save all of those for old age. This will work just fine.
We have to do something. We are an unhealthy country and it is costing us money.
A yearly budget would probably be better for my aims at being a junk food dealer on the black market. Sugar addicts would use up their allotment within the first 3-6 months. Then I can start buying mine and doling it out for quadruple profits. My husband's too, since I do the shopping. And maybe I could get a couple of my friends in the action. Ooooh, I could have my friends who live overseas ship in Oreos by the case. I'd make a ton of money, then one day, bam! I move to Fiji and retire... And purchase and eat whatever I want with no limits.
Guys, we have to make this happen. I know how I'm going to get rich now!!!
No no, I'm still eating healthy food! And I never said anything about becoming a criminal, just a dealer on the black market. It's kind of the same idea as having a limit on what you can buy, but being able to buy whatever you want. Don't you see the similarity??????
Pssh you're misunderstanding. I'm saying if there were a food card, I'd move to Fiji. After taking advantage of the lucrative business opportunities available by supplying Carlos with bonus Oreos. It's really not that hard.
A card would be easier and I think it would be healthier, but the tax is coming and that is good.
Who gets to decide what's healthy and what isn't? The government? Your Dr.? Do you honestly believe that this will force people to eat your so called "healthy foods" only? Just like prohibition, stopped alcohol usage right?
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I don't think a tax will stop very many people but a card would help a lot more people. The tax would have to be really high to be effective in deterring people from an unhealthy lifestyle. Just in this thread you can see how many people start getting really upset about the idea of eating healthier.
Move to Fiji if you like, but the tax is coming.mskessler89 wrote: »
Aren't black market dealers criminals? Because it sounds like you're saying, "If there were a food card, I'd become a criminal."mskessler89 wrote: »
Forgoing healthy food so that you can buy up a lot of sugar and sell it on some black market sounds very foolish. Is that really what you want? To become a criminal and eat unhealthy food? Those two things sound like the insane things to me.mskessler89 wrote: »
It could be set up with a yearly limit, easy. They could even print warning on receipts like they do with the gas discounts so people don't forget or go too crazy. It really wouldn't be that hard and people would start learning what healthy eating is about.mskessler89 wrote: »
If you bought in bulk it would just last longer so it's really not an issue. You get so much of this and that. If you want to buy it all once, do that. Your choice. You like choice, right? So choose. It's your diet and your allotment do whatever you want with it.WinoGelato wrote: »
I do not know. I just do not know the answer for alcohol.mskessler89 wrote: »Maybe have smaller bottles of alcohol? Same price but little bottles?
So make the wine industry entirely change their production model? Nope. Also, alcohol is a good example of something I might buy in large quantities for a party - I guess parties are out the window because 1) a host can't buy all the supplies needed on their card and 2) it's not guaranteed people would only consume their "share" at a party. No more parties, guys.
You haven't answered my question about how people who buy things in bulk to save money would be able to use their card, either.
Buy in bulk. Who said anything about stopping you? You're making it more complicated than it needs to be.
But if people have pre set limits on their cards as you previously suggested, then surely buying in bulk would exceed those limits...
You seem to think this is so simple but fail to grasp the limitless nuanced complexities of such a proposal...
Nobody is being told what to eat or how to shop.
Oh, ok! I get it! Over the course of MY ENTIRE LIFETIME, I get 20,000 lbs of chicken! If I eat that by the time I'm 40, then I get no more chicken for the rest of my life. I just need to budget my whole life out! Totes got this. So on board now.
Let's see. I'll gamble that I won't like Cheetos between ages 60 and 90. So starting when I'm 30, I'll double up on my Cheetos purchases. Prunes are something I'll need when I'm older but not so much right now, so I'll save all of those for old age. This will work just fine.
We have to do something. We are an unhealthy country and it is costing us money.
A yearly budget would probably be better for my aims at being a junk food dealer on the black market. Sugar addicts would use up their allotment within the first 3-6 months. Then I can start buying mine and doling it out for quadruple profits. My husband's too, since I do the shopping. And maybe I could get a couple of my friends in the action. Ooooh, I could have my friends who live overseas ship in Oreos by the case. I'd make a ton of money, then one day, bam! I move to Fiji and retire... And purchase and eat whatever I want with no limits.
Guys, we have to make this happen. I know how I'm going to get rich now!!!
No no, I'm still eating healthy food! And I never said anything about becoming a criminal, just a dealer on the black market. It's kind of the same idea as having a limit on what you can buy, but being able to buy whatever you want. Don't you see the similarity??????
Pssh you're misunderstanding. I'm saying if there were a food card, I'd move to Fiji. After taking advantage of the lucrative business opportunities available by supplying Carlos with bonus Oreos. It's really not that hard.
A card would be easier and I think it would be healthier, but the tax is coming and that is good.
Who gets to decide what's healthy and what isn't? The government? Your Dr.? Do you honestly believe that this will force people to eat your so called "healthy foods" only? Just like prohibition, stopped alcohol usage right?
We are an unhealthy country and we can't afford it. The tax will help pay for the healthcare, but it won't make people healthy and healthy people is better.
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mskessler89 wrote: »
Aren't black market dealers criminals? Because it sounds like you're saying, "If there were a food card, I'd become a criminal."mskessler89 wrote: »
Forgoing healthy food so that you can buy up a lot of sugar and sell it on some black market sounds very foolish. Is that really what you want? To become a criminal and eat unhealthy food? Those two things sound like the insane things to me.mskessler89 wrote: »
It could be set up with a yearly limit, easy. They could even print warning on receipts like they do with the gas discounts so people don't forget or go too crazy. It really wouldn't be that hard and people would start learning what healthy eating is about.mskessler89 wrote: »
If you bought in bulk it would just last longer so it's really not an issue. You get so much of this and that. If you want to buy it all once, do that. Your choice. You like choice, right? So choose. It's your diet and your allotment do whatever you want with it.WinoGelato wrote: »
I do not know. I just do not know the answer for alcohol.mskessler89 wrote: »Maybe have smaller bottles of alcohol? Same price but little bottles?
So make the wine industry entirely change their production model? Nope. Also, alcohol is a good example of something I might buy in large quantities for a party - I guess parties are out the window because 1) a host can't buy all the supplies needed on their card and 2) it's not guaranteed people would only consume their "share" at a party. No more parties, guys.
You haven't answered my question about how people who buy things in bulk to save money would be able to use their card, either.
Buy in bulk. Who said anything about stopping you? You're making it more complicated than it needs to be.
But if people have pre set limits on their cards as you previously suggested, then surely buying in bulk would exceed those limits...
You seem to think this is so simple but fail to grasp the limitless nuanced complexities of such a proposal...
Nobody is being told what to eat or how to shop.
Oh, ok! I get it! Over the course of MY ENTIRE LIFETIME, I get 20,000 lbs of chicken! If I eat that by the time I'm 40, then I get no more chicken for the rest of my life. I just need to budget my whole life out! Totes got this. So on board now.
Let's see. I'll gamble that I won't like Cheetos between ages 60 and 90. So starting when I'm 30, I'll double up on my Cheetos purchases. Prunes are something I'll need when I'm older but not so much right now, so I'll save all of those for old age. This will work just fine.
We have to do something. We are an unhealthy country and it is costing us money.
A yearly budget would probably be better for my aims at being a junk food dealer on the black market. Sugar addicts would use up their allotment within the first 3-6 months. Then I can start buying mine and doling it out for quadruple profits. My husband's too, since I do the shopping. And maybe I could get a couple of my friends in the action. Ooooh, I could have my friends who live overseas ship in Oreos by the case. I'd make a ton of money, then one day, bam! I move to Fiji and retire... And purchase and eat whatever I want with no limits.
Guys, we have to make this happen. I know how I'm going to get rich now!!!
No no, I'm still eating healthy food! And I never said anything about becoming a criminal, just a dealer on the black market. It's kind of the same idea as having a limit on what you can buy, but being able to buy whatever you want. Don't you see the similarity??????
Pssh you're misunderstanding. I'm saying if there were a food card, I'd move to Fiji. After taking advantage of the lucrative business opportunities available by supplying Carlos with bonus Oreos. It's really not that hard.
You'd become fabulously wealthy.2 -
Taxed or banned. Tax policy, including sin tax, is extremely effective in modifying behavior. We need tax revenues to pay for roads, cops, and the military anyway so we might as well raise the revenue in the most helpful way possible.
Either that or ban health insurance so I don't have to pay for the consequences of other people's bad behavior.0 -
Hoooooly crap. This is what I get for cooking when I got home from work. This thread went full retard. Zipp, you've lost your mind. Everyone else, good luck. We're either being trolled, or dealing with someone who has had their head stuffed with so much propaganda, that it will be nigh impossible to change. The Kims thing seems even more appropriate in light of this.6
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It really isn't different. The only people who will have a change are people who aren't already eating healthy.Carlos_421 wrote: »
Again, nobody is being told what they can and cannot eat. If you want Cheetos, choose Cheetos. Your choice. Carlos can have his Oreos.WinoGelato wrote: »
If you're already eating healthy then nothing changes. If you're not eating healthy it's a nudge in the right direction.Carlos_421 wrote: »
If you're eating healthy, then nothing changes and you're getting upset over nothing.Carlos_421 wrote: »
This thread with people fighting for the right to be unhealthy just proves how much help they need and how they're incapable of eating and being healthy on their own.Carlos_421 wrote: »It would certainly be easier and cheaper for everyone to have a card but people seem really upset, so I guess a tax is better for now. Let them pay their healthcare costs via a tax. A diet system as part of healthcare would be good in the future. It is time to start discussing it now so people get used it and will calm down about it.
I still think a card would be easier and do a better job lowering healthcare costs, but fine. Tax for now, card later.
How about none of the above?
The tax is a done deal. We are going to tax junk food. Reading this thread makes me even more certain that we need a card system as part of our health are system. People have to learn to eat for health because nothing is more important than our health and our children's health.
You've gotta be kidding me...
Lady, if one of us needs help from the other I can assure you I'm not the needy one. And I sure don't need help from a government bureaucracy.
I eat deliberately and toward my goals. I get a solid balance of macronutrients and also ensure proper intake of micronutrients as well.
All my health markers are fantastic. My blood work is great. My blood pressure is excellent. I'm the picture of health.
I've run a 5k in under 23 minutes. I've deadlifted 2.5 times my bodyweight. I'm also currently cutting weight shooting for single digit body fat.
Educate me. Please tell me where I need help from the government.
Resistance to government encroachment on my life is not proof for its necessity!
And why do you keep saying the tax is a done deal? I'm pretty sure it would have made the news by now and I sure haven't seen anything about it (I even looked).
Done deal = going to happen. Sorry if that was confusing, I didn't mean that it had already happened. It will, though. Cannot stop that.
Don't we already tax pop? I don't hear anyone complain about that.
My liberties change!!
And you already said you want to get rid of McD's so that affects me on a fairly regular basis (here's lookin at you, artisan grilled chicken sandwich).
What about my Oreos? I include a lot of Oreos in my healthy diet. I have a feeling the food gestapo would try to take them from me in your plan.
And no, we don't already tax pop.
Stop fighting for the freedom to be unhealthy. That is the insane thing.
You seem to be evading a lot of the questions about specifics.... Cheetohs, are they allowed or not allowed? What about Carlos' beloved Oreos? What at McDonalds isn't allowed, since you said they should stop selling the unhealthy food? I asked what was unhealthy at McDonalds and if it is unhealthy in any quantity and any frequency...
You keep saying those of us eating healthy will be able to continue to do so, but my definition of healthy eating is anything that fits within my calorie limit and provides a variety of macro and micronutrients. That includes McDonalds, Cheetohs, Oreos, ice cream and wine on a pretty regular basis...
So if we're able to get whatever we want with the card, just how is it different than the visa I already use and how is it any kind of a solution?
So, I'm still around 40 pounds overweight. I went to college and now work my butt of 12-13 hour days to earn MY money. Are you telling me you think the government should take my paycheck, put it on a card and tell me how to spend MY money that I worked for?4 -
No. Buy whatever you please. Nobody is telling anybody what to eat. Spend as much or as little as you like.stephanieluvspb wrote: »
It really isn't different. The only people who will have a change are people who aren't already eating healthy.Carlos_421 wrote: »
Again, nobody is being told what they can and cannot eat. If you want Cheetos, choose Cheetos. Your choice. Carlos can have his Oreos.WinoGelato wrote: »
If you're already eating healthy then nothing changes. If you're not eating healthy it's a nudge in the right direction.Carlos_421 wrote: »
If you're eating healthy, then nothing changes and you're getting upset over nothing.Carlos_421 wrote: »
This thread with people fighting for the right to be unhealthy just proves how much help they need and how they're incapable of eating and being healthy on their own.Carlos_421 wrote: »It would certainly be easier and cheaper for everyone to have a card but people seem really upset, so I guess a tax is better for now. Let them pay their healthcare costs via a tax. A diet system as part of healthcare would be good in the future. It is time to start discussing it now so people get used it and will calm down about it.
I still think a card would be easier and do a better job lowering healthcare costs, but fine. Tax for now, card later.
How about none of the above?
The tax is a done deal. We are going to tax junk food. Reading this thread makes me even more certain that we need a card system as part of our health are system. People have to learn to eat for health because nothing is more important than our health and our children's health.
You've gotta be kidding me...
Lady, if one of us needs help from the other I can assure you I'm not the needy one. And I sure don't need help from a government bureaucracy.
I eat deliberately and toward my goals. I get a solid balance of macronutrients and also ensure proper intake of micronutrients as well.
All my health markers are fantastic. My blood work is great. My blood pressure is excellent. I'm the picture of health.
I've run a 5k in under 23 minutes. I've deadlifted 2.5 times my bodyweight. I'm also currently cutting weight shooting for single digit body fat.
Educate me. Please tell me where I need help from the government.
Resistance to government encroachment on my life is not proof for its necessity!
And why do you keep saying the tax is a done deal? I'm pretty sure it would have made the news by now and I sure haven't seen anything about it (I even looked).
Done deal = going to happen. Sorry if that was confusing, I didn't mean that it had already happened. It will, though. Cannot stop that.
Don't we already tax pop? I don't hear anyone complain about that.
My liberties change!!
And you already said you want to get rid of McD's so that affects me on a fairly regular basis (here's lookin at you, artisan grilled chicken sandwich).
What about my Oreos? I include a lot of Oreos in my healthy diet. I have a feeling the food gestapo would try to take them from me in your plan.
And no, we don't already tax pop.
Stop fighting for the freedom to be unhealthy. That is the insane thing.
You seem to be evading a lot of the questions about specifics.... Cheetohs, are they allowed or not allowed? What about Carlos' beloved Oreos? What at McDonalds isn't allowed, since you said they should stop selling the unhealthy food? I asked what was unhealthy at McDonalds and if it is unhealthy in any quantity and any frequency...
You keep saying those of us eating healthy will be able to continue to do so, but my definition of healthy eating is anything that fits within my calorie limit and provides a variety of macro and micronutrients. That includes McDonalds, Cheetohs, Oreos, ice cream and wine on a pretty regular basis...
So if we're able to get whatever we want with the card, just how is it different than the visa I already use and how is it any kind of a solution?
So, I'm still around 40 pounds overweight. I went to college and now work my butt of 12-13 hour days to earn MY money. Are you telling me you think the government should take my paycheck, put it on a card and tell me how to spend MY money that I worked for?
We already do this with WIC recipients. They even have *buy this, not that* and they're actually limited by brand in some cases. This cereal, not that cereal. It isn't complicated and it works. I'm not suggesting that a card would have to be as limited as the WIC program, but a national food program could work and be a good way to get people to eat healthier.
A Healthier USA. It's good for everyone.0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »mskessler89 wrote: »
Aren't black market dealers criminals? Because it sounds like you're saying, "If there were a food card, I'd become a criminal."mskessler89 wrote: »
Forgoing healthy food so that you can buy up a lot of sugar and sell it on some black market sounds very foolish. Is that really what you want? To become a criminal and eat unhealthy food? Those two things sound like the insane things to me.mskessler89 wrote: »
It could be set up with a yearly limit, easy. They could even print warning on receipts like they do with the gas discounts so people don't forget or go too crazy. It really wouldn't be that hard and people would start learning what healthy eating is about.mskessler89 wrote: »
If you bought in bulk it would just last longer so it's really not an issue. You get so much of this and that. If you want to buy it all once, do that. Your choice. You like choice, right? So choose. It's your diet and your allotment do whatever you want with it.WinoGelato wrote: »
I do not know. I just do not know the answer for alcohol.mskessler89 wrote: »Maybe have smaller bottles of alcohol? Same price but little bottles?
So make the wine industry entirely change their production model? Nope. Also, alcohol is a good example of something I might buy in large quantities for a party - I guess parties are out the window because 1) a host can't buy all the supplies needed on their card and 2) it's not guaranteed people would only consume their "share" at a party. No more parties, guys.
You haven't answered my question about how people who buy things in bulk to save money would be able to use their card, either.
Buy in bulk. Who said anything about stopping you? You're making it more complicated than it needs to be.
But if people have pre set limits on their cards as you previously suggested, then surely buying in bulk would exceed those limits...
You seem to think this is so simple but fail to grasp the limitless nuanced complexities of such a proposal...
Nobody is being told what to eat or how to shop.
Oh, ok! I get it! Over the course of MY ENTIRE LIFETIME, I get 20,000 lbs of chicken! If I eat that by the time I'm 40, then I get no more chicken for the rest of my life. I just need to budget my whole life out! Totes got this. So on board now.
Let's see. I'll gamble that I won't like Cheetos between ages 60 and 90. So starting when I'm 30, I'll double up on my Cheetos purchases. Prunes are something I'll need when I'm older but not so much right now, so I'll save all of those for old age. This will work just fine.
We have to do something. We are an unhealthy country and it is costing us money.
A yearly budget would probably be better for my aims at being a junk food dealer on the black market. Sugar addicts would use up their allotment within the first 3-6 months. Then I can start buying mine and doling it out for quadruple profits. My husband's too, since I do the shopping. And maybe I could get a couple of my friends in the action. Ooooh, I could have my friends who live overseas ship in Oreos by the case. I'd make a ton of money, then one day, bam! I move to Fiji and retire... And purchase and eat whatever I want with no limits.
Guys, we have to make this happen. I know how I'm going to get rich now!!!
No no, I'm still eating healthy food! And I never said anything about becoming a criminal, just a dealer on the black market. It's kind of the same idea as having a limit on what you can buy, but being able to buy whatever you want. Don't you see the similarity??????
Pssh you're misunderstanding. I'm saying if there were a food card, I'd move to Fiji. After taking advantage of the lucrative business opportunities available by supplying Carlos with bonus Oreos. It's really not that hard.
You'd become fabulously wealthy.
And you would become addicted to the sugar in the oreos as you would now fit criteria committing crimes for your sugar fix.Sorry, since there is already a lot of trolling going on, I couldn't resist.2 -
No. Buy whatever you please. Nobody is telling anybody what to eat. Spend as much or as little as you like.stephanieluvspb wrote: »
It really isn't different. The only people who will have a change are people who aren't already eating healthy.Carlos_421 wrote: »
Again, nobody is being told what they can and cannot eat. If you want Cheetos, choose Cheetos. Your choice. Carlos can have his Oreos.WinoGelato wrote: »
If you're already eating healthy then nothing changes. If you're not eating healthy it's a nudge in the right direction.Carlos_421 wrote: »
If you're eating healthy, then nothing changes and you're getting upset over nothing.Carlos_421 wrote: »
This thread with people fighting for the right to be unhealthy just proves how much help they need and how they're incapable of eating and being healthy on their own.Carlos_421 wrote: »It would certainly be easier and cheaper for everyone to have a card but people seem really upset, so I guess a tax is better for now. Let them pay their healthcare costs via a tax. A diet system as part of healthcare would be good in the future. It is time to start discussing it now so people get used it and will calm down about it.
I still think a card would be easier and do a better job lowering healthcare costs, but fine. Tax for now, card later.
How about none of the above?
The tax is a done deal. We are going to tax junk food. Reading this thread makes me even more certain that we need a card system as part of our health are system. People have to learn to eat for health because nothing is more important than our health and our children's health.
You've gotta be kidding me...
Lady, if one of us needs help from the other I can assure you I'm not the needy one. And I sure don't need help from a government bureaucracy.
I eat deliberately and toward my goals. I get a solid balance of macronutrients and also ensure proper intake of micronutrients as well.
All my health markers are fantastic. My blood work is great. My blood pressure is excellent. I'm the picture of health.
I've run a 5k in under 23 minutes. I've deadlifted 2.5 times my bodyweight. I'm also currently cutting weight shooting for single digit body fat.
Educate me. Please tell me where I need help from the government.
Resistance to government encroachment on my life is not proof for its necessity!
And why do you keep saying the tax is a done deal? I'm pretty sure it would have made the news by now and I sure haven't seen anything about it (I even looked).
Done deal = going to happen. Sorry if that was confusing, I didn't mean that it had already happened. It will, though. Cannot stop that.
Don't we already tax pop? I don't hear anyone complain about that.
My liberties change!!
And you already said you want to get rid of McD's so that affects me on a fairly regular basis (here's lookin at you, artisan grilled chicken sandwich).
What about my Oreos? I include a lot of Oreos in my healthy diet. I have a feeling the food gestapo would try to take them from me in your plan.
And no, we don't already tax pop.
Stop fighting for the freedom to be unhealthy. That is the insane thing.
You seem to be evading a lot of the questions about specifics.... Cheetohs, are they allowed or not allowed? What about Carlos' beloved Oreos? What at McDonalds isn't allowed, since you said they should stop selling the unhealthy food? I asked what was unhealthy at McDonalds and if it is unhealthy in any quantity and any frequency...
You keep saying those of us eating healthy will be able to continue to do so, but my definition of healthy eating is anything that fits within my calorie limit and provides a variety of macro and micronutrients. That includes McDonalds, Cheetohs, Oreos, ice cream and wine on a pretty regular basis...
So if we're able to get whatever we want with the card, just how is it different than the visa I already use and how is it any kind of a solution?
So, I'm still around 40 pounds overweight. I went to college and now work my butt of 12-13 hour days to earn MY money. Are you telling me you think the government should take my paycheck, put it on a card and tell me how to spend MY money that I worked for?
We already do this with WIC recipients. They even have *buy this, not that* and they're actually limited by brand in some cases. This cereal, not that cereal. It isn't complicated and it works. I'm not suggesting that a card would have to be as limited as the WIC program, but a national food program could work and be a good way to get people to eat healthier.
A Healthier USA. It's good for everyone.
I also must have missed the part where you defined "healthy". I keep seeing little tidbits here and there about what is bad, but please, enlighten me as to exactly what constitutes healthy, in your opinion.2 -
No. Buy whatever you please. Nobody is telling anybody what to eat. Spend as much or as little as you like.stephanieluvspb wrote: »
It really isn't different. The only people who will have a change are people who aren't already eating healthy.Carlos_421 wrote: »
Again, nobody is being told what they can and cannot eat. If you want Cheetos, choose Cheetos. Your choice. Carlos can have his Oreos.WinoGelato wrote: »
If you're already eating healthy then nothing changes. If you're not eating healthy it's a nudge in the right direction.Carlos_421 wrote: »
If you're eating healthy, then nothing changes and you're getting upset over nothing.Carlos_421 wrote: »
This thread with people fighting for the right to be unhealthy just proves how much help they need and how they're incapable of eating and being healthy on their own.Carlos_421 wrote: »It would certainly be easier and cheaper for everyone to have a card but people seem really upset, so I guess a tax is better for now. Let them pay their healthcare costs via a tax. A diet system as part of healthcare would be good in the future. It is time to start discussing it now so people get used it and will calm down about it.
I still think a card would be easier and do a better job lowering healthcare costs, but fine. Tax for now, card later.
How about none of the above?
The tax is a done deal. We are going to tax junk food. Reading this thread makes me even more certain that we need a card system as part of our health are system. People have to learn to eat for health because nothing is more important than our health and our children's health.
You've gotta be kidding me...
Lady, if one of us needs help from the other I can assure you I'm not the needy one. And I sure don't need help from a government bureaucracy.
I eat deliberately and toward my goals. I get a solid balance of macronutrients and also ensure proper intake of micronutrients as well.
All my health markers are fantastic. My blood work is great. My blood pressure is excellent. I'm the picture of health.
I've run a 5k in under 23 minutes. I've deadlifted 2.5 times my bodyweight. I'm also currently cutting weight shooting for single digit body fat.
Educate me. Please tell me where I need help from the government.
Resistance to government encroachment on my life is not proof for its necessity!
And why do you keep saying the tax is a done deal? I'm pretty sure it would have made the news by now and I sure haven't seen anything about it (I even looked).
Done deal = going to happen. Sorry if that was confusing, I didn't mean that it had already happened. It will, though. Cannot stop that.
Don't we already tax pop? I don't hear anyone complain about that.
My liberties change!!
And you already said you want to get rid of McD's so that affects me on a fairly regular basis (here's lookin at you, artisan grilled chicken sandwich).
What about my Oreos? I include a lot of Oreos in my healthy diet. I have a feeling the food gestapo would try to take them from me in your plan.
And no, we don't already tax pop.
Stop fighting for the freedom to be unhealthy. That is the insane thing.
You seem to be evading a lot of the questions about specifics.... Cheetohs, are they allowed or not allowed? What about Carlos' beloved Oreos? What at McDonalds isn't allowed, since you said they should stop selling the unhealthy food? I asked what was unhealthy at McDonalds and if it is unhealthy in any quantity and any frequency...
You keep saying those of us eating healthy will be able to continue to do so, but my definition of healthy eating is anything that fits within my calorie limit and provides a variety of macro and micronutrients. That includes McDonalds, Cheetohs, Oreos, ice cream and wine on a pretty regular basis...
So if we're able to get whatever we want with the card, just how is it different than the visa I already use and how is it any kind of a solution?
So, I'm still around 40 pounds overweight. I went to college and now work my butt of 12-13 hour days to earn MY money. Are you telling me you think the government should take my paycheck, put it on a card and tell me how to spend MY money that I worked for?
We already do this with WIC recipients. They even have *buy this, not that* and they're actually limited by brand in some cases. This cereal, not that cereal. It isn't complicated and it works. I'm not suggesting that a card would have to be as limited as the WIC program, but a national food program could work and be a good way to get people to eat healthier.
A Healthier USA. It's good for everyone.
So if I can buy whatever I please, what is the point of the card1 -
This is an excellent reason why a Healthy USA program would be beneficial. People wouldn't have to learn about the elements of a healthy diet. They'd just use the card. If you try to buy Oreos and you're over your limit you just cannot buy them and have to use up some of your other choices. You don't have to guess or wonder or do any learning at all. It's right on the card. The more I think about it, the better an idea it seems to be. Except alcohol. That's a puzzling one.Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
No. Buy whatever you please. Nobody is telling anybody what to eat. Spend as much or as little as you like.stephanieluvspb wrote: »
It really isn't different. The only people who will have a change are people who aren't already eating healthy.Carlos_421 wrote: »
Again, nobody is being told what they can and cannot eat. If you want Cheetos, choose Cheetos. Your choice. Carlos can have his Oreos.WinoGelato wrote: »
If you're already eating healthy then nothing changes. If you're not eating healthy it's a nudge in the right direction.Carlos_421 wrote: »
If you're eating healthy, then nothing changes and you're getting upset over nothing.Carlos_421 wrote: »
This thread with people fighting for the right to be unhealthy just proves how much help they need and how they're incapable of eating and being healthy on their own.Carlos_421 wrote: »It would certainly be easier and cheaper for everyone to have a card but people seem really upset, so I guess a tax is better for now. Let them pay their healthcare costs via a tax. A diet system as part of healthcare would be good in the future. It is time to start discussing it now so people get used it and will calm down about it.
I still think a card would be easier and do a better job lowering healthcare costs, but fine. Tax for now, card later.
How about none of the above?
The tax is a done deal. We are going to tax junk food. Reading this thread makes me even more certain that we need a card system as part of our health are system. People have to learn to eat for health because nothing is more important than our health and our children's health.
You've gotta be kidding me...
Lady, if one of us needs help from the other I can assure you I'm not the needy one. And I sure don't need help from a government bureaucracy.
I eat deliberately and toward my goals. I get a solid balance of macronutrients and also ensure proper intake of micronutrients as well.
All my health markers are fantastic. My blood work is great. My blood pressure is excellent. I'm the picture of health.
I've run a 5k in under 23 minutes. I've deadlifted 2.5 times my bodyweight. I'm also currently cutting weight shooting for single digit body fat.
Educate me. Please tell me where I need help from the government.
Resistance to government encroachment on my life is not proof for its necessity!
And why do you keep saying the tax is a done deal? I'm pretty sure it would have made the news by now and I sure haven't seen anything about it (I even looked).
Done deal = going to happen. Sorry if that was confusing, I didn't mean that it had already happened. It will, though. Cannot stop that.
Don't we already tax pop? I don't hear anyone complain about that.
My liberties change!!
And you already said you want to get rid of McD's so that affects me on a fairly regular basis (here's lookin at you, artisan grilled chicken sandwich).
What about my Oreos? I include a lot of Oreos in my healthy diet. I have a feeling the food gestapo would try to take them from me in your plan.
And no, we don't already tax pop.
Stop fighting for the freedom to be unhealthy. That is the insane thing.
You seem to be evading a lot of the questions about specifics.... Cheetohs, are they allowed or not allowed? What about Carlos' beloved Oreos? What at McDonalds isn't allowed, since you said they should stop selling the unhealthy food? I asked what was unhealthy at McDonalds and if it is unhealthy in any quantity and any frequency...
You keep saying those of us eating healthy will be able to continue to do so, but my definition of healthy eating is anything that fits within my calorie limit and provides a variety of macro and micronutrients. That includes McDonalds, Cheetohs, Oreos, ice cream and wine on a pretty regular basis...
So if we're able to get whatever we want with the card, just how is it different than the visa I already use and how is it any kind of a solution?
So, I'm still around 40 pounds overweight. I went to college and now work my butt of 12-13 hour days to earn MY money. Are you telling me you think the government should take my paycheck, put it on a card and tell me how to spend MY money that I worked for?
We already do this with WIC recipients. They even have *buy this, not that* and they're actually limited by brand in some cases. This cereal, not that cereal. It isn't complicated and it works. I'm not suggesting that a card would have to be as limited as the WIC program, but a national food program could work and be a good way to get people to eat healthier.
A Healthier USA. It's good for everyone.
I also must have missed the part where you defined "healthy". I keep seeing little tidbits here and there about what is bad, but please, enlighten me as to exactly what constitutes healthy, in your opinion.
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This is an excellent reason why a Healthy USA program would be beneficial. People wouldn't have to learn about the elements of a healthy diet. They'd just use the card. If you try to buy Oreos and you're over your limit you just cannot buy them and have to use up some of your other choices. You don't have to guess or wonder or do any learning at all. It's right on the card. The more I think about it, the better an idea it seems to be. Except alcohol. That's a puzzling one.Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
No. Buy whatever you please. Nobody is telling anybody what to eat. Spend as much or as little as you like.stephanieluvspb wrote: »
It really isn't different. The only people who will have a change are people who aren't already eating healthy.Carlos_421 wrote: »
Again, nobody is being told what they can and cannot eat. If you want Cheetos, choose Cheetos. Your choice. Carlos can have his Oreos.WinoGelato wrote: »
If you're already eating healthy then nothing changes. If you're not eating healthy it's a nudge in the right direction.Carlos_421 wrote: »
If you're eating healthy, then nothing changes and you're getting upset over nothing.Carlos_421 wrote: »
This thread with people fighting for the right to be unhealthy just proves how much help they need and how they're incapable of eating and being healthy on their own.Carlos_421 wrote: »It would certainly be easier and cheaper for everyone to have a card but people seem really upset, so I guess a tax is better for now. Let them pay their healthcare costs via a tax. A diet system as part of healthcare would be good in the future. It is time to start discussing it now so people get used it and will calm down about it.
I still think a card would be easier and do a better job lowering healthcare costs, but fine. Tax for now, card later.
How about none of the above?
The tax is a done deal. We are going to tax junk food. Reading this thread makes me even more certain that we need a card system as part of our health are system. People have to learn to eat for health because nothing is more important than our health and our children's health.
You've gotta be kidding me...
Lady, if one of us needs help from the other I can assure you I'm not the needy one. And I sure don't need help from a government bureaucracy.
I eat deliberately and toward my goals. I get a solid balance of macronutrients and also ensure proper intake of micronutrients as well.
All my health markers are fantastic. My blood work is great. My blood pressure is excellent. I'm the picture of health.
I've run a 5k in under 23 minutes. I've deadlifted 2.5 times my bodyweight. I'm also currently cutting weight shooting for single digit body fat.
Educate me. Please tell me where I need help from the government.
Resistance to government encroachment on my life is not proof for its necessity!
And why do you keep saying the tax is a done deal? I'm pretty sure it would have made the news by now and I sure haven't seen anything about it (I even looked).
Done deal = going to happen. Sorry if that was confusing, I didn't mean that it had already happened. It will, though. Cannot stop that.
Don't we already tax pop? I don't hear anyone complain about that.
My liberties change!!
And you already said you want to get rid of McD's so that affects me on a fairly regular basis (here's lookin at you, artisan grilled chicken sandwich).
What about my Oreos? I include a lot of Oreos in my healthy diet. I have a feeling the food gestapo would try to take them from me in your plan.
And no, we don't already tax pop.
Stop fighting for the freedom to be unhealthy. That is the insane thing.
You seem to be evading a lot of the questions about specifics.... Cheetohs, are they allowed or not allowed? What about Carlos' beloved Oreos? What at McDonalds isn't allowed, since you said they should stop selling the unhealthy food? I asked what was unhealthy at McDonalds and if it is unhealthy in any quantity and any frequency...
You keep saying those of us eating healthy will be able to continue to do so, but my definition of healthy eating is anything that fits within my calorie limit and provides a variety of macro and micronutrients. That includes McDonalds, Cheetohs, Oreos, ice cream and wine on a pretty regular basis...
So if we're able to get whatever we want with the card, just how is it different than the visa I already use and how is it any kind of a solution?
So, I'm still around 40 pounds overweight. I went to college and now work my butt of 12-13 hour days to earn MY money. Are you telling me you think the government should take my paycheck, put it on a card and tell me how to spend MY money that I worked for?
We already do this with WIC recipients. They even have *buy this, not that* and they're actually limited by brand in some cases. This cereal, not that cereal. It isn't complicated and it works. I'm not suggesting that a card would have to be as limited as the WIC program, but a national food program could work and be a good way to get people to eat healthier.
A Healthier USA. It's good for everyone.
I also must have missed the part where you defined "healthy". I keep seeing little tidbits here and there about what is bad, but please, enlighten me as to exactly what constitutes healthy, in your opinion.
No, I'm asking because you are proposing something, without defining parameters. Stop dodging the question.2 -
To help people make healthy choices. Give it some time and people would be better able to tell what is and isn't good for them. Until they learn, rely on the card. It won't let you buy too many Cheetos.stephanieluvspb wrote: »
No. Buy whatever you please. Nobody is telling anybody what to eat. Spend as much or as little as you like.stephanieluvspb wrote: »
It really isn't different. The only people who will have a change are people who aren't already eating healthy.Carlos_421 wrote: »
Again, nobody is being told what they can and cannot eat. If you want Cheetos, choose Cheetos. Your choice. Carlos can have his Oreos.WinoGelato wrote: »
If you're already eating healthy then nothing changes. If you're not eating healthy it's a nudge in the right direction.Carlos_421 wrote: »
If you're eating healthy, then nothing changes and you're getting upset over nothing.Carlos_421 wrote: »
This thread with people fighting for the right to be unhealthy just proves how much help they need and how they're incapable of eating and being healthy on their own.Carlos_421 wrote: »It would certainly be easier and cheaper for everyone to have a card but people seem really upset, so I guess a tax is better for now. Let them pay their healthcare costs via a tax. A diet system as part of healthcare would be good in the future. It is time to start discussing it now so people get used it and will calm down about it.
I still think a card would be easier and do a better job lowering healthcare costs, but fine. Tax for now, card later.
How about none of the above?
The tax is a done deal. We are going to tax junk food. Reading this thread makes me even more certain that we need a card system as part of our health are system. People have to learn to eat for health because nothing is more important than our health and our children's health.
You've gotta be kidding me...
Lady, if one of us needs help from the other I can assure you I'm not the needy one. And I sure don't need help from a government bureaucracy.
I eat deliberately and toward my goals. I get a solid balance of macronutrients and also ensure proper intake of micronutrients as well.
All my health markers are fantastic. My blood work is great. My blood pressure is excellent. I'm the picture of health.
I've run a 5k in under 23 minutes. I've deadlifted 2.5 times my bodyweight. I'm also currently cutting weight shooting for single digit body fat.
Educate me. Please tell me where I need help from the government.
Resistance to government encroachment on my life is not proof for its necessity!
And why do you keep saying the tax is a done deal? I'm pretty sure it would have made the news by now and I sure haven't seen anything about it (I even looked).
Done deal = going to happen. Sorry if that was confusing, I didn't mean that it had already happened. It will, though. Cannot stop that.
Don't we already tax pop? I don't hear anyone complain about that.
My liberties change!!
And you already said you want to get rid of McD's so that affects me on a fairly regular basis (here's lookin at you, artisan grilled chicken sandwich).
What about my Oreos? I include a lot of Oreos in my healthy diet. I have a feeling the food gestapo would try to take them from me in your plan.
And no, we don't already tax pop.
Stop fighting for the freedom to be unhealthy. That is the insane thing.
You seem to be evading a lot of the questions about specifics.... Cheetohs, are they allowed or not allowed? What about Carlos' beloved Oreos? What at McDonalds isn't allowed, since you said they should stop selling the unhealthy food? I asked what was unhealthy at McDonalds and if it is unhealthy in any quantity and any frequency...
You keep saying those of us eating healthy will be able to continue to do so, but my definition of healthy eating is anything that fits within my calorie limit and provides a variety of macro and micronutrients. That includes McDonalds, Cheetohs, Oreos, ice cream and wine on a pretty regular basis...
So if we're able to get whatever we want with the card, just how is it different than the visa I already use and how is it any kind of a solution?
So, I'm still around 40 pounds overweight. I went to college and now work my butt of 12-13 hour days to earn MY money. Are you telling me you think the government should take my paycheck, put it on a card and tell me how to spend MY money that I worked for?
We already do this with WIC recipients. They even have *buy this, not that* and they're actually limited by brand in some cases. This cereal, not that cereal. It isn't complicated and it works. I'm not suggesting that a card would have to be as limited as the WIC program, but a national food program could work and be a good way to get people to eat healthier.
A Healthier USA. It's good for everyone.
So if I can buy whatever I please, what is the point of the card
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No. Buy whatever you please. Nobody is telling anybody what to eat. Spend as much or as little as you like.stephanieluvspb wrote: »
It really isn't different. The only people who will have a change are people who aren't already eating healthy.Carlos_421 wrote: »
Again, nobody is being told what they can and cannot eat. If you want Cheetos, choose Cheetos. Your choice. Carlos can have his Oreos.WinoGelato wrote: »
If you're already eating healthy then nothing changes. If you're not eating healthy it's a nudge in the right direction.Carlos_421 wrote: »
If you're eating healthy, then nothing changes and you're getting upset over nothing.Carlos_421 wrote: »
This thread with people fighting for the right to be unhealthy just proves how much help they need and how they're incapable of eating and being healthy on their own.Carlos_421 wrote: »It would certainly be easier and cheaper for everyone to have a card but people seem really upset, so I guess a tax is better for now. Let them pay their healthcare costs via a tax. A diet system as part of healthcare would be good in the future. It is time to start discussing it now so people get used it and will calm down about it.
I still think a card would be easier and do a better job lowering healthcare costs, but fine. Tax for now, card later.
How about none of the above?
The tax is a done deal. We are going to tax junk food. Reading this thread makes me even more certain that we need a card system as part of our health are system. People have to learn to eat for health because nothing is more important than our health and our children's health.
You've gotta be kidding me...
Lady, if one of us needs help from the other I can assure you I'm not the needy one. And I sure don't need help from a government bureaucracy.
I eat deliberately and toward my goals. I get a solid balance of macronutrients and also ensure proper intake of micronutrients as well.
All my health markers are fantastic. My blood work is great. My blood pressure is excellent. I'm the picture of health.
I've run a 5k in under 23 minutes. I've deadlifted 2.5 times my bodyweight. I'm also currently cutting weight shooting for single digit body fat.
Educate me. Please tell me where I need help from the government.
Resistance to government encroachment on my life is not proof for its necessity!
And why do you keep saying the tax is a done deal? I'm pretty sure it would have made the news by now and I sure haven't seen anything about it (I even looked).
Done deal = going to happen. Sorry if that was confusing, I didn't mean that it had already happened. It will, though. Cannot stop that.
Don't we already tax pop? I don't hear anyone complain about that.
My liberties change!!
And you already said you want to get rid of McD's so that affects me on a fairly regular basis (here's lookin at you, artisan grilled chicken sandwich).
What about my Oreos? I include a lot of Oreos in my healthy diet. I have a feeling the food gestapo would try to take them from me in your plan.
And no, we don't already tax pop.
Stop fighting for the freedom to be unhealthy. That is the insane thing.
You seem to be evading a lot of the questions about specifics.... Cheetohs, are they allowed or not allowed? What about Carlos' beloved Oreos? What at McDonalds isn't allowed, since you said they should stop selling the unhealthy food? I asked what was unhealthy at McDonalds and if it is unhealthy in any quantity and any frequency...
You keep saying those of us eating healthy will be able to continue to do so, but my definition of healthy eating is anything that fits within my calorie limit and provides a variety of macro and micronutrients. That includes McDonalds, Cheetohs, Oreos, ice cream and wine on a pretty regular basis...
So if we're able to get whatever we want with the card, just how is it different than the visa I already use and how is it any kind of a solution?
So, I'm still around 40 pounds overweight. I went to college and now work my butt of 12-13 hour days to earn MY money. Are you telling me you think the government should take my paycheck, put it on a card and tell me how to spend MY money that I worked for?
We already do this with WIC recipients. They even have *buy this, not that* and they're actually limited by brand in some cases. This cereal, not that cereal. It isn't complicated and it works. I'm not suggesting that a card would have to be as limited as the WIC program, but a national food program could work and be a good way to get people to eat healthier.
A Healthier USA. It's good for everyone.
I may have missed it but how is this card funded? Does everyone get the same amount on the card and they can't buy anymore food?1 -
This is an excellent reason why a Healthy USA program would be beneficial. People wouldn't have to learn about the elements of a healthy diet. They'd just use the card. If you try to buy Oreos and you're over your limit you just cannot buy them and have to use up some of your other choices. You don't have to guess or wonder or do any learning at all. It's right on the card. The more I think about it, the better an idea it seems to be. Except alcohol. That's a puzzling one.Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
No. Buy whatever you please. Nobody is telling anybody what to eat. Spend as much or as little as you like.stephanieluvspb wrote: »
It really isn't different. The only people who will have a change are people who aren't already eating healthy.Carlos_421 wrote: »
Again, nobody is being told what they can and cannot eat. If you want Cheetos, choose Cheetos. Your choice. Carlos can have his Oreos.WinoGelato wrote: »
If you're already eating healthy then nothing changes. If you're not eating healthy it's a nudge in the right direction.Carlos_421 wrote: »
If you're eating healthy, then nothing changes and you're getting upset over nothing.Carlos_421 wrote: »
This thread with people fighting for the right to be unhealthy just proves how much help they need and how they're incapable of eating and being healthy on their own.Carlos_421 wrote: »It would certainly be easier and cheaper for everyone to have a card but people seem really upset, so I guess a tax is better for now. Let them pay their healthcare costs via a tax. A diet system as part of healthcare would be good in the future. It is time to start discussing it now so people get used it and will calm down about it.
I still think a card would be easier and do a better job lowering healthcare costs, but fine. Tax for now, card later.
How about none of the above?
The tax is a done deal. We are going to tax junk food. Reading this thread makes me even more certain that we need a card system as part of our health are system. People have to learn to eat for health because nothing is more important than our health and our children's health.
You've gotta be kidding me...
Lady, if one of us needs help from the other I can assure you I'm not the needy one. And I sure don't need help from a government bureaucracy.
I eat deliberately and toward my goals. I get a solid balance of macronutrients and also ensure proper intake of micronutrients as well.
All my health markers are fantastic. My blood work is great. My blood pressure is excellent. I'm the picture of health.
I've run a 5k in under 23 minutes. I've deadlifted 2.5 times my bodyweight. I'm also currently cutting weight shooting for single digit body fat.
Educate me. Please tell me where I need help from the government.
Resistance to government encroachment on my life is not proof for its necessity!
And why do you keep saying the tax is a done deal? I'm pretty sure it would have made the news by now and I sure haven't seen anything about it (I even looked).
Done deal = going to happen. Sorry if that was confusing, I didn't mean that it had already happened. It will, though. Cannot stop that.
Don't we already tax pop? I don't hear anyone complain about that.
My liberties change!!
And you already said you want to get rid of McD's so that affects me on a fairly regular basis (here's lookin at you, artisan grilled chicken sandwich).
What about my Oreos? I include a lot of Oreos in my healthy diet. I have a feeling the food gestapo would try to take them from me in your plan.
And no, we don't already tax pop.
Stop fighting for the freedom to be unhealthy. That is the insane thing.
You seem to be evading a lot of the questions about specifics.... Cheetohs, are they allowed or not allowed? What about Carlos' beloved Oreos? What at McDonalds isn't allowed, since you said they should stop selling the unhealthy food? I asked what was unhealthy at McDonalds and if it is unhealthy in any quantity and any frequency...
You keep saying those of us eating healthy will be able to continue to do so, but my definition of healthy eating is anything that fits within my calorie limit and provides a variety of macro and micronutrients. That includes McDonalds, Cheetohs, Oreos, ice cream and wine on a pretty regular basis...
So if we're able to get whatever we want with the card, just how is it different than the visa I already use and how is it any kind of a solution?
So, I'm still around 40 pounds overweight. I went to college and now work my butt of 12-13 hour days to earn MY money. Are you telling me you think the government should take my paycheck, put it on a card and tell me how to spend MY money that I worked for?
We already do this with WIC recipients. They even have *buy this, not that* and they're actually limited by brand in some cases. This cereal, not that cereal. It isn't complicated and it works. I'm not suggesting that a card would have to be as limited as the WIC program, but a national food program could work and be a good way to get people to eat healthier.
A Healthier USA. It's good for everyone.
I also must have missed the part where you defined "healthy". I keep seeing little tidbits here and there about what is bad, but please, enlighten me as to exactly what constitutes healthy, in your opinion.
Ah. So not only can you define what is meant by "healthy" or "unhealthy", you don't actually care to educate the masses. You just want some arbitrary rule determined by the powers that be to be enforced upon citizens who don't even need to think for themselves. Sounds awesome.6 -
WinoGelato wrote: »
This is an excellent reason why a Healthy USA program would be beneficial. People wouldn't have to learn about the elements of a healthy diet. They'd just use the card. If you try to buy Oreos and you're over your limit you just cannot buy them and have to use up some of your other choices. You don't have to guess or wonder or do any learning at all. It's right on the card. The more I think about it, the better an idea it seems to be. Except alcohol. That's a puzzling one.Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
No. Buy whatever you please. Nobody is telling anybody what to eat. Spend as much or as little as you like.stephanieluvspb wrote: »
It really isn't different. The only people who will have a change are people who aren't already eating healthy.Carlos_421 wrote: »
Again, nobody is being told what they can and cannot eat. If you want Cheetos, choose Cheetos. Your choice. Carlos can have his Oreos.WinoGelato wrote: »
If you're already eating healthy then nothing changes. If you're not eating healthy it's a nudge in the right direction.Carlos_421 wrote: »
If you're eating healthy, then nothing changes and you're getting upset over nothing.Carlos_421 wrote: »
This thread with people fighting for the right to be unhealthy just proves how much help they need and how they're incapable of eating and being healthy on their own.Carlos_421 wrote: »It would certainly be easier and cheaper for everyone to have a card but people seem really upset, so I guess a tax is better for now. Let them pay their healthcare costs via a tax. A diet system as part of healthcare would be good in the future. It is time to start discussing it now so people get used it and will calm down about it.
I still think a card would be easier and do a better job lowering healthcare costs, but fine. Tax for now, card later.
How about none of the above?
The tax is a done deal. We are going to tax junk food. Reading this thread makes me even more certain that we need a card system as part of our health are system. People have to learn to eat for health because nothing is more important than our health and our children's health.
You've gotta be kidding me...
Lady, if one of us needs help from the other I can assure you I'm not the needy one. And I sure don't need help from a government bureaucracy.
I eat deliberately and toward my goals. I get a solid balance of macronutrients and also ensure proper intake of micronutrients as well.
All my health markers are fantastic. My blood work is great. My blood pressure is excellent. I'm the picture of health.
I've run a 5k in under 23 minutes. I've deadlifted 2.5 times my bodyweight. I'm also currently cutting weight shooting for single digit body fat.
Educate me. Please tell me where I need help from the government.
Resistance to government encroachment on my life is not proof for its necessity!
And why do you keep saying the tax is a done deal? I'm pretty sure it would have made the news by now and I sure haven't seen anything about it (I even looked).
Done deal = going to happen. Sorry if that was confusing, I didn't mean that it had already happened. It will, though. Cannot stop that.
Don't we already tax pop? I don't hear anyone complain about that.
My liberties change!!
And you already said you want to get rid of McD's so that affects me on a fairly regular basis (here's lookin at you, artisan grilled chicken sandwich).
What about my Oreos? I include a lot of Oreos in my healthy diet. I have a feeling the food gestapo would try to take them from me in your plan.
And no, we don't already tax pop.
Stop fighting for the freedom to be unhealthy. That is the insane thing.
You seem to be evading a lot of the questions about specifics.... Cheetohs, are they allowed or not allowed? What about Carlos' beloved Oreos? What at McDonalds isn't allowed, since you said they should stop selling the unhealthy food? I asked what was unhealthy at McDonalds and if it is unhealthy in any quantity and any frequency...
You keep saying those of us eating healthy will be able to continue to do so, but my definition of healthy eating is anything that fits within my calorie limit and provides a variety of macro and micronutrients. That includes McDonalds, Cheetohs, Oreos, ice cream and wine on a pretty regular basis...
So if we're able to get whatever we want with the card, just how is it different than the visa I already use and how is it any kind of a solution?
So, I'm still around 40 pounds overweight. I went to college and now work my butt of 12-13 hour days to earn MY money. Are you telling me you think the government should take my paycheck, put it on a card and tell me how to spend MY money that I worked for?
We already do this with WIC recipients. They even have *buy this, not that* and they're actually limited by brand in some cases. This cereal, not that cereal. It isn't complicated and it works. I'm not suggesting that a card would have to be as limited as the WIC program, but a national food program could work and be a good way to get people to eat healthier.
A Healthier USA. It's good for everyone.
I also must have missed the part where you defined "healthy". I keep seeing little tidbits here and there about what is bad, but please, enlighten me as to exactly what constitutes healthy, in your opinion.
Ah. So not only can you define what is meant by "healthy" or "unhealthy", you don't actually care to educate the masses. You just want some arbitrary rule determined by the powers that be to be enforced upon citizens who don't even need to think for themselves. Sounds awesome.
And I thought that my faith in humanity was the lowest the bar could be set. When you put it that way, this whole thing just becomes surreal.2 -
You didn't actually ask a question to dodge, but I'm dodging nothing.Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
This is an excellent reason why a Healthy USA program would be beneficial. People wouldn't have to learn about the elements of a healthy diet. They'd just use the card. If you try to buy Oreos and you're over your limit you just cannot buy them and have to use up some of your other choices. You don't have to guess or wonder or do any learning at all. It's right on the card. The more I think about it, the better an idea it seems to be. Except alcohol. That's a puzzling one.Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
No. Buy whatever you please. Nobody is telling anybody what to eat. Spend as much or as little as you like.stephanieluvspb wrote: »
It really isn't different. The only people who will have a change are people who aren't already eating healthy.Carlos_421 wrote: »
Again, nobody is being told what they can and cannot eat. If you want Cheetos, choose Cheetos. Your choice. Carlos can have his Oreos.WinoGelato wrote: »
If you're already eating healthy then nothing changes. If you're not eating healthy it's a nudge in the right direction.Carlos_421 wrote: »
If you're eating healthy, then nothing changes and you're getting upset over nothing.Carlos_421 wrote: »
This thread with people fighting for the right to be unhealthy just proves how much help they need and how they're incapable of eating and being healthy on their own.Carlos_421 wrote: »It would certainly be easier and cheaper for everyone to have a card but people seem really upset, so I guess a tax is better for now. Let them pay their healthcare costs via a tax. A diet system as part of healthcare would be good in the future. It is time to start discussing it now so people get used it and will calm down about it.
I still think a card would be easier and do a better job lowering healthcare costs, but fine. Tax for now, card later.
How about none of the above?
The tax is a done deal. We are going to tax junk food. Reading this thread makes me even more certain that we need a card system as part of our health are system. People have to learn to eat for health because nothing is more important than our health and our children's health.
You've gotta be kidding me...
Lady, if one of us needs help from the other I can assure you I'm not the needy one. And I sure don't need help from a government bureaucracy.
I eat deliberately and toward my goals. I get a solid balance of macronutrients and also ensure proper intake of micronutrients as well.
All my health markers are fantastic. My blood work is great. My blood pressure is excellent. I'm the picture of health.
I've run a 5k in under 23 minutes. I've deadlifted 2.5 times my bodyweight. I'm also currently cutting weight shooting for single digit body fat.
Educate me. Please tell me where I need help from the government.
Resistance to government encroachment on my life is not proof for its necessity!
And why do you keep saying the tax is a done deal? I'm pretty sure it would have made the news by now and I sure haven't seen anything about it (I even looked).
Done deal = going to happen. Sorry if that was confusing, I didn't mean that it had already happened. It will, though. Cannot stop that.
Don't we already tax pop? I don't hear anyone complain about that.
My liberties change!!
And you already said you want to get rid of McD's so that affects me on a fairly regular basis (here's lookin at you, artisan grilled chicken sandwich).
What about my Oreos? I include a lot of Oreos in my healthy diet. I have a feeling the food gestapo would try to take them from me in your plan.
And no, we don't already tax pop.
Stop fighting for the freedom to be unhealthy. That is the insane thing.
You seem to be evading a lot of the questions about specifics.... Cheetohs, are they allowed or not allowed? What about Carlos' beloved Oreos? What at McDonalds isn't allowed, since you said they should stop selling the unhealthy food? I asked what was unhealthy at McDonalds and if it is unhealthy in any quantity and any frequency...
You keep saying those of us eating healthy will be able to continue to do so, but my definition of healthy eating is anything that fits within my calorie limit and provides a variety of macro and micronutrients. That includes McDonalds, Cheetohs, Oreos, ice cream and wine on a pretty regular basis...
So if we're able to get whatever we want with the card, just how is it different than the visa I already use and how is it any kind of a solution?
So, I'm still around 40 pounds overweight. I went to college and now work my butt of 12-13 hour days to earn MY money. Are you telling me you think the government should take my paycheck, put it on a card and tell me how to spend MY money that I worked for?
We already do this with WIC recipients. They even have *buy this, not that* and they're actually limited by brand in some cases. This cereal, not that cereal. It isn't complicated and it works. I'm not suggesting that a card would have to be as limited as the WIC program, but a national food program could work and be a good way to get people to eat healthier.
A Healthier USA. It's good for everyone.
I also must have missed the part where you defined "healthy". I keep seeing little tidbits here and there about what is bad, but please, enlighten me as to exactly what constitutes healthy, in your opinion.
No, I'm asking because you are proposing something, without defining parameters. Stop dodging the question.
There are no parameters. You just follow whatever is loaded onto your card. If you have special needs then that gets loaded.
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