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never seen the bolded part at any gym I have been too ...sounds like you have been drinking the planet no gains kool aid...
You're not listening to much then. And if you're thinking i'm 100% dead serious I'd like to introduce you to sarcasm.
Picture on the top left is June of 2014, picture on the bottom right is June of 2015. And I could really care less about "bulking up" I have no interest in bulking. Fitness comes in many different shapes, fashions and forms.
Hmmm I don't understand sarcasm, but when I use it you don't understand it...? Interesting..
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Yeah, I don't understand what gyms these people are going to with people yelling at each other and growling and walking around kissing their muscles...I've been in and out of gyms most of my life and have rarely if ever witnessed that kind of behavior. I mean, yeah...when something is heavy I'm probably going to grunt a little lifting it...that is just working...but the kind of nonsense that people talk about I've just never really seen.
Personally, I think people are full of *kitten* and just remarking based on some pre-conceived notion they have...probably from being at PF and being indoctrinated.5 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I've been a Planet Fitness member for the past two years. I've lost a ton of weight and toned a ton of muscle by working there. You're going to get a lot of hate because 1) They don't have personal trainers 2) They do have "snack days" 3) You're not allowed to throw weights around and yell like a Primate/Neanderthal then you drop your weights.
You're not allowed to do traditional weight training at all...like movements that are generally the back bone and foundation of any well programmed lifting routine. And some lifts require dropping weight...a clean for example or a snatch...you drop the weight on those lifts when they're heavy or you'll rip your shoulders out.
This is my problem with PF...doing something very traditional and functional from a training standpoint is seen as neanderthal behavior...but yeah...PF don't judge...not one bit.
Effing joke!
For me it works. Everyone is different. Three years ago I broke my left arms Radius Bone. Shattered in a few places and I went from not being able to open a sugar packet at the time I started PT, to butterflying 175 pound, and benching roughly 120 pounds. Now granted i know those numbers are that high for some. But it's helped me get to where I am today. I focus more on my running and cycling. But I understand that resistance training is required and warranted. And they allow me to do that during the colder months when I go indoors. Once again I was being sarcastic on the "Primate/Neanderthal" comment, That's why i saidAnd if the desk hand makes the alarm go off for that then they really do not understand how lifting works. As far as throwing weights around once again if you're lifting slightly above your threshold it's going to be undestood that you're going to drop/aggressively put down the weights after a few sets.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I've been a Planet Fitness member for the past two years. I've lost a ton of weight and toned a ton of muscle by working there. You're going to get a lot of hate because 1) They don't have personal trainers 2) They do have "snack days" 3) You're not allowed to throw weights around and yell like a Primate/Neanderthal then you drop your weights.
You're not allowed to do traditional weight training at all...like movements that are generally the back bone and foundation of any well programmed lifting routine. And some lifts require dropping weight...a clean for example or a snatch...you drop the weight on those lifts when they're heavy or you'll rip your shoulders out.
This is my problem with PF...doing something very traditional and functional from a training standpoint is seen as neanderthal behavior...but yeah...PF don't judge...not one bit.
Effing joke!
For me it works. Everyone is different. Three years ago I broke my left arms Radius Bone. Shattered in a few places and I went from not being able to open a sugar packet at the time I started PT, to butterflying 175 pound, and benching roughly 120 pounds. Now granted i know those numbers are that high for some. But it's helped me get to where I am today. I focus more on my running and cycling. But I understand that resistance training is required and warranted. And they allow me to do that during the colder months when I go indoors. Once again I was being sarcastic on the "Primate/Neanderthal" comment, That's why i saidAnd if the desk hand makes the alarm go off for that then they really do not understand how lifting works. As far as throwing weights around once again if you're lifting slightly above your threshold it's going to be undestood that you're going to drop/aggressively put down the weights after a few sets.
I would agree which is why I said in my original post that it depends on what you want out of a gym...and maybe you were being sarcastic, but that's also basically the company line...
I'm a cyclist and I go to a gym that caters primarily to cyclists of various disciplines. The owner and my coach and very good friend is one of the team USA BMX coaches and he's also a USAC road coach...everything he has us do in the gym is centered around Olympic lifts and other traditional compound movements...so we're just a bunch of BMX and road and dirt bike riding "lunks" up in there...that's what is so irritating...the notion that if one is lifting in this manner, one is a "lunk"...no...we're just really into our training and want to be the best athletes (in my case I use the term loosely) we can be. Lifting like a boss isn't always about body building..as a cyclist I'm about 180* from a body builder...lifting like a boss is about functional training and being all you can possibly be.4 -
I've got issues with Planet Fitness as a company, but as a gym, if it fits your needs, go for it.2
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I too am a PF person. I understand why people who like to lift & who are what I'm going to call more serious athletes don't like the place. It is not a gym that caters to their needs.
Personally I think the color scheme inside is atrocious & the idea that you get free pizza at a gym is insane.
I like it because at least when I go the other people there are just like me: middle aged, slightly (or more) pudgy people who are trying. You get some 20 somethings at other times because it's cheap. There are some cut guys & girls there but they are the minority & they don't seem to mind working out near us less serious attendees.
For me it's helpful to look around and see "like" people. When I have walked into a gym where everybody looks like they want to be on next month's cover of Muscle & Fitness, Shape or Men's Health magazine I know it's not the gym for me.
Since I re-joined PF, I met with their in-house trainer twice. The 1st time he helped me design a program to deal with my issues & limitations. Today I attended his 30 minutes Abs class. He was so patient and encouraging. He's a fit 23 year old but he wasn't looking down on the 3 women old enough to be his mom. those tow women were great sources of encouragement for me. In fact today was the first say in my LIFE that I ever received praise in a gym. All of my childhood memories of gyms involve humiliation and abuse. So to me, if a gym can make me feel like I fit in without requiring me to commit to becoming an athlete it's a good place.
While bashing weight lifters may irk some people, if you are PF's target market -- usually a relative newbie who is more about movement & doing something as you lurch off the couch maybe for the 1st time, like me -- it's a good place because you feel accepted.7 -
That lack of courtesy, respect and basic manners has seeped so far into the psyche that they appear to not have noticed that identifying a group of people as inferior because of their chosen pass time and their physicality is totally reprehensible
It's discrimatory and promotes fear and hatred, and it's embedded in policy and infrastructure
Disappointing it's allowed to stand as a marketing tactic ...
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Even if it means telling people that bodybuilders and other athletes are horrible people? Even if it means telling the public (incorrectly) that deadlifts and other highly functional moves are only to be performed by such detestable human beings?If it helps a group of people who would not otherwise be helped, it's good.
Somehow, I doubt that PF would get a pass if they were to discriminate against the overweight in that manner. Middle America would be in an uproar. PF demeans highly accomplished athletes instead though, and so the people around here applaud their tactics. Something is wrong with that.
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What if the tables were turned, though? what if they were to bash the overweight instead? Or the elderly? Or women? If that were to make other people feel accepted, would this still be a good thing?While bashing weight lifters may irk some people, if you are PF's target market -- usually a relative newbie who is more about movement & doing something as you lurch off the couch maybe for the 1st time, like me -- it's a good place because you feel accepted.
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"cwolfman13 wrote: »...that's what is so irritating...the notion that if one is lifting in this manner, one is a "lunk"...no...we're just really into our training and want to be the best athletes (in my case I use the term loosely) we can be. Lifting like a boss isn't always about body building..as a cyclist I'm about 180* from a body builder...lifting like a boss is about functional training and being all you can possibly be.
Correct. This is yet another problem with PF. It's not just that they demean hard-working bodybuilders. It's also that they foster incorrect notions of what weight lifting and other intense exercise is all about.
When I took a tour of Planet Fitness, I asked my guide why they didn't have any bench press stations or squat racks. He immediately said, "Those are for bodybuilders. We don't cater to those kind of people." I thought that was a deeply shameful thing to say, since virtually everyone can benefit from those kinds of exercises. Heck, even high school students are taught how to do such exercises! People in the fitness industry should know better.
This is why I disagree when people say that Planet Fitness is just right for beginners. The equipment might arguably match what most beginners are looking for, but the amount of misinformation that this company spreads is astounding. That's not what beginners need.3 -
All that stuff about the loud grunts and throwing weights down being forbidden, I could care less. That was never a factor in our decision to sign up. We just needed to get our sweat on after midnight due to work hours with a good price. Planet Fitness fit the bill perfectly. People will continue to make fun of PF and their philosophies because they aren't fans of the huge guys staring at themselves in the mirror the whole time they're lifting huge amounts of weights. There are gyms of all kinds. Salon.com had an article online about it before and talking about how different gyms are like cliques in school. Don't know the link offhand but compared them (typically) to members of the Breakfast Club. It was pretty funny. If you're really into weights and love your slamming and grunting, PF isn't the gym for you but there is one out there for you. If you want to sweat away your fat on as many cardio machines as possible, come over to Planet Fitness. Disclaimer: If the lunk alarm goes off when you're on a treadmill, you might get tested for roids.1
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While bashing weight lifters may irk some people, if you are PF's target market -- usually a relative newbie who is more about movement & doing something as you lurch off the couch maybe for the 1st time, like me -- it's a good place because you feel accepted.
No it is not ok to bash anyone to make other groups feel better
Nor to feel accepted because other groups aren't
I'm sure if you think about what you said you will realise and accept that theoretically that premise is simply abhorrent
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Even if it means telling people that bodybuilders and other athletes are horrible people? Even if it means telling the public (incorrectly) that deadlifts and other highly functional moves are only to be performed by such detestable human beings?If it helps a group of people who would not otherwise be helped, it's good.
Somehow, I doubt that PF would get a pass if they were to discriminate against the overweight in that manner. Middle America would be in an uproar. PF demeans highly accomplished athletes instead though, and so the people around here applaud their tactics. Something is wrong with that.
Lunks are just the people that are throwing the weights around and screaming and grunting the whole time during their workout. How could that not intimidate somebody? If you're just lifting weights and not slamming the weights back down while being respectful to others around you, I see no problem. That wouldn't be lunking at all.0 -
Remember how I said that PF likes to spread a lot of falsehoods? This is another example of that.If you're really into weights and love your slamming and grunting, PF isn't the gym for you but there is one out there for you.
In almost every gym I've been to, deliberately slamming the weights is forbidden. It's also considered horrible etiquette. PF likes to tell people that this is commonplace though, and that their facilities provide a unique refuge from such mythical beasts.
As for grunting, any fitness pro should be able to tell you that moderate grunting is reasonable and expected when working hard. Did you ever wonder why martial artists let out a "Ki-yaa!" yell as they strike? PF wants people to believe that the same moves can be performed equally as well in complete silence, and that's complete bunk. (See http://milkandcookies.com/link/267592 to see the extremes to which PF takes this.)
Of course, yelling at the top of one's lungs is another matter. Again, such behavior is universally considered to be horrible gym etiquette. Mere grunting though? It's to be expected.
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Even if it means telling people that bodybuilders and other athletes are horrible people? Even if it means telling the public (incorrectly) that deadlifts and other highly functional moves are only to be performed by such detestable human beings?If it helps a group of people who would not otherwise be helped, it's good.
Somehow, I doubt that PF would get a pass if they were to discriminate against the overweight in that manner. Middle America would be in an uproar. PF demeans highly accomplished athletes instead though, and so the people around here applaud their tactics. Something is wrong with that.
Lunks are just the people that are throwing the weights around and screaming and grunting the whole time during their workout. How could that not intimidate somebody? If you're just lifting weights and not slamming the weights back down while being respectful to others around you, I see no problem. That wouldn't be lunking at all.
So all bodybuilders are "insert derogatory term"
And a standard involuntary sound associated with physical effort, which most people don't make but you hear in all sports (see tennis for eg) is an issue?
And just because you don't understand safe release for some lifts, to avoid injury, then that just means you (as in one not personal) are ignorant of details
It's hateful marketing
Nobody is saying that PF shouldn't provide the facilities at the cost to the target audience they do ..,but discriminatory marketing practice and promoting hatred and misunderstandings is grotesque manipulation of people's fear of the Unknown ..there are far more serious issues in the world ...still doesn't make it ok
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The question must be asked though. How loud does a grunt have to be to have the lunk alarm go off? The PF gym I went to last night seemed pretty lax. Could have been because it was after midnight but I saw a few girls in there with tanktops that are supposed to be forbidden. Not complaining of course. I'm sure just normal grunting would be permitted. For people that just want a gym to lift weights at, PF isn't for you. That message is never hidden. Everybody should do their research before signing a contract to a gym or anything else for that matter.0
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So all bodybuilders are "insert derogatory term"
Bodybuilders don't need to slam the weights down. If you truly are really strong, you would get an even better workout lowering the weight more slowly to the ground instead of dropping it from six feet in the air. I was only giving a definition of what they deem as lunks...lunkers...whatever the correct usage is.
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Did you watch the video that I linked to in two of my earlier posts? Not very loud at all.The question must be asked though. How loud does a grunt have to be to have the lunk alarm go off?
Enforcement will doubtlessly vary from one location to another, but according to the executive in this video, even moderate exhalation should be enough to set off the alarm.
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Well you can't beat the price and hours of operation! I also think it's a great place for beginners in particular. You don't feel like you're in a competition and people are not walking around kissing their muscles. lol
I've had the opportunity to work out in 2 gyms that make most top 10 lists of the most hard core gyms in the US. I'm old and in decent shape but not huge by any means. I did t feel like I was in a competition and didn't see anyone kissing theit muscles.
Intimidation is in people's heads and pf is fueling this with their advertising imo.1
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