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Is Health Always Worth It

BreezeDoveal
BreezeDoveal Posts: 566 Member
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People often say, "well it is healthier" regarding the pure physiological and mortality rate affects without considering quality of life. Why? Ultimately, doesn't that mean we we should be contemplating this:
https://www.amazon.com/Castration-Advantages-Disadvantages-Victor-Cheney/dp/1414012292/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1471530212&sr=8-1&keywords=benefits+of+castration
The book contains considerable data to substantiate each of the aspects of the castration results. The simple 15-minute surgery gives a whopping thirteen and a half years of average life expectancy increase, cures prostate cancer and improves the body's immune system functioning.

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  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    You're right; prostate cancer is a higher quality of life.
  • Chef_Barbell
    Chef_Barbell Posts: 6,644 Member
    :huh:
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  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    Of course it's not for people who already have prostate cancer!
  • AngelinaB_
    AngelinaB_ Posts: 563 Member
    edited August 2016
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    The idea has been contemplated for clinically healthy males.

    Bit extreme.

    Prostate cancer have high rates of survival if caught early, I never heard such treatment be recommended by most doctors, unlike for example breast cancer sometimes a preventative mastectomy on healthy females who carry a BRCA1 or BRCA2 gene mutation is recommended.

    Quality of life is important of course. But who doesn't consider it with health issues?
  • BillMcKay1
    BillMcKay1 Posts: 315 Member
    edited August 2016
    That was worth it just to read the reviews. Almost as good as the ones for veet for men from the UK.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Veet-Men-Hair-Removal-Cream/product-reviews/B000KKNQBK
  • quiksylver296
    quiksylver296 Posts: 28,439 Member
    BillMcKay1 wrote: »
    That was worth it just to read the reviews. Almost as good as the ones for veet for men.

    Oh my gosh! Hilarious! Not sugar-free gummy bear level, but totally worth reading.
  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
    BillMcKay1 wrote: »
    That was worth it just to read the reviews. Almost as good as the ones for veet for men.

    The "Customers Who Viewed This Item Also Viewed" titles were also quite amusing.
  • AngelinaB_
    AngelinaB_ Posts: 563 Member
    edited August 2016
    BillMcKay1 wrote: »
    That was worth it just to read the reviews. Almost as good as the ones for veet for men from the UK.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Veet-Men-Hair-Removal-Cream/product-reviews/B000KKNQBK

    Hahaha hysterical! I didn't check the OP amazon review at first, just did lol

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  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
    Considering the number of erectile dysfunction commercials and ads, this may not be a significant change in quality of life for many.

    You know what prevents that? Exercise. The "magic" happens because of blood flow, people with good cardiovascular health never develop problems in that area. It's the couch potatoes who do.

    I'm not old enough to know first hand, but this is what I've been told.
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  • CipherZero
    CipherZero Posts: 1,418 Member
    I would rather have a more healthy life overall than a longer one. As it is, men's T-levels drop they get older, and the more like women they become (harder to maintain/gain muscle mass, etc.).

    Men and women overall would be better served by losing the excess fat, moving more, and getting under a barbell. These things will solve more problems than whatever latest and greatest study the media latches onto and misinterprets.
  • coreyreichle
    coreyreichle Posts: 1,031 Member
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    People often say, "well it is healthier" regarding the pure physiological and mortality rate affects without considering quality of life. Why? Ultimately, doesn't that mean we we should be contemplating this:
    https://www.amazon.com/Castration-Advantages-Disadvantages-Victor-Cheney/dp/1414012292/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1471530212&sr=8-1&keywords=benefits+of+castration
    The book contains considerable data to substantiate each of the aspects of the castration results. The simple 15-minute surgery gives a whopping thirteen and a half years of average life expectancy increase, cures prostate cancer and improves the body's immune system functioning.

    I'm pretty sure QOL is always a determinant in how healthy one is.
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  • JustMissTracy
    JustMissTracy Posts: 6,338 Member
    Yes.
  • CipherZero
    CipherZero Posts: 1,418 Member
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    CipherZero wrote: »
    I would rather have a more healthy life overall than a longer one. As it is, men's T-levels drop they get older, and the more like women they become (harder to maintain/gain muscle mass, etc.).

    Men and women overall would be better served by losing the excess fat, moving more, and getting under a barbell. These things will solve more problems than whatever latest and greatest study the media latches onto and misinterprets.

    But is older men's T dropping a cause of poor health or a result?
    Won't losing weight be a way to cause health testosterone in men like:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23412685

    There's the question no one has a solid answer on. I don't have a number from when I was a fatass, but my current Free-T is right on the average for someone fifteen years younger. And research has borne out living longer won't massively increase life span, but will compress the time you spend circling the drain.

    My actual life goal is to be the guy who still mows his own lawn at eighty and drops dead in the middle of it.
  • queenliz99
    queenliz99 Posts: 15,317 Member
    CipherZero wrote: »
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    CipherZero wrote: »
    I would rather have a more healthy life overall than a longer one. As it is, men's T-levels drop they get older, and the more like women they become (harder to maintain/gain muscle mass, etc.).

    Men and women overall would be better served by losing the excess fat, moving more, and getting under a barbell. These things will solve more problems than whatever latest and greatest study the media latches onto and misinterprets.

    But is older men's T dropping a cause of poor health or a result?
    Won't losing weight be a way to cause health testosterone in men like:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23412685

    There's the question no one has a solid answer on. I don't have a number from when I was a fatass, but my current Free-T is right on the average for someone fifteen years younger. And research has borne out living longer won't massively increase life span, but will compress the time you spend circling the drain.

    My actual life goal is to be the guy who still mows his own lawn at eighty and drops dead in the middle of it.

    Are you shirtless when you mow?
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  • CipherZero
    CipherZero Posts: 1,418 Member
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    CipherZero wrote: »

    My actual life goal is to be the guy who still mows his own lawn at eighty and drops dead in the middle of it.

    Are you shirtless when you mow?

    Only if it's terribad hot and humid out. I ain't much to look at.
  • Return2Fit
    Return2Fit Posts: 226 Member
    ryry62685 wrote: »
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    People often say, "well it is healthier" regarding the pure physiological and mortality rate affects without considering quality of life. Why? Ultimately, doesn't that mean we we should be contemplating this:
    https://www.amazon.com/Castration-Advantages-Disadvantages-Victor-Cheney/dp/1414012292/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1471530212&sr=8-1&keywords=benefits+of+castration
    The book contains considerable data to substantiate each of the aspects of the castration results. The simple 15-minute surgery gives a whopping thirteen and a half years of average life expectancy increase, cures prostate cancer and improves the body's immune system functioning.

    Please test and report back
    LOL :D
    PERFECT!
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,225 Member
    coreyreichle wrote: »
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    People often say, "well it is healthier" regarding the pure physiological and mortality rate affects without considering quality of life. Why? Ultimately, doesn't that mean we we should be contemplating this:
    https://www.amazon.com/Castration-Advantages-Disadvantages-Victor-Cheney/dp/1414012292/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1471530212&sr=8-1&keywords=benefits+of+castration
    The book contains considerable data to substantiate each of the aspects of the castration results. The simple 15-minute surgery gives a whopping thirteen and a half years of average life expectancy increase, cures prostate cancer and improves the body's immune system functioning.

    I'm pretty sure QOL is always a determinant in how healthy one is.

    But maybe not always in the expected direction, at all times. Chemotherapy wasn't great for my QOL (at the time, and to a very slight extent even now), but it seems to have been a determinant of how healthy I am (16 years past stage III, locally advanced, multifocal breast cancer - and now far healthier than a lot of women my age).

    Worst hobby I ever had, chemotherapy. Worse than extreme sports. Worse than adventure travel. Not as bad as the articles in those 'women's magazines' would have you think, though.
  • upoffthemat
    upoffthemat Posts: 679 Member
    enterdanger wrote: »
    The_Enginerd wrote: »
    Some sacrifices just aren't worth it.

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    I don't know why this was flagged. It's a perfectly acceptable joke. I can only guess that people don't know that flag is for abuse and misuse of the forum.

    Militant vegans
  • JeromeBarry1
    JeromeBarry1 Posts: 10,179 Member
    A good friend of mine died of prostate cancer a few years ago. His son was an usher at my wedding 33 years ago. His cancer was of the slow variety. Doctors recommended watching and waiting. Doctors are people and don't really want to do a surgery that will leave a man incontinent and impotent for the remainder of his, perhaps longer, life. Men, given the choice, often rather wait and try to die of some other cause.
  • pondee629
    pondee629 Posts: 2,469 Member
    Nothing is always worth everything. There is a cost too high for everything.

    So we get back to balance in all. Don't want to get to the point where living longer is the punishment.

    I thought the cute pig joke was funny.
  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
    NorthCascades wrote: »
    Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
    Considering the number of erectile dysfunction commercials and ads, this may not be a significant change in quality of life for many.

    You know what prevents that? Exercise. The "magic" happens because of blood flow, people with good cardiovascular health never develop problems in that area. It's the couch potatoes who do.

    I'm not old enough to know first hand, but this is what I've been told.

    Never? Absolutely untrue.

    Develop them less often, absolutely true.

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