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endlessfall16 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »dvdiamond11 wrote: »
I eat very healthy foods. No fast food, prepackaged foods, very low sugar consumption, etc... I just eat too much!kommodevaran wrote: »What are the right things, and why do you quit eating them?
Its really about wrapping my brain around what I want more, to eat and drink and be social, or to use my willpower to say no, or to not drink (wine) when going out (yeah right). Last night my husband and I were invited to a yearly get together with a lot of our friends. He went without me. I decided the temptation was just too much to deal with. BTW, I live in wine country. Drinking wine is a way of life around these parts. I also work in the wine industry. So wine is everywhere and one of my passions.
I know I can do this,its just so danged hard!
Boring food and restrictive behavior tends to lead to overeating. We can do anything for a while, but what counts is what we can do for life. Eating and drinking is an important part of social occasions, food is designed (also by nature) to be a pleasure, and we are supposed to eat end enjoy it - you can't rely on your willpower for long to stop you from following your instincts. It sounds really sad that you couldn't go and see your friends. What if you had one or two glasses of wine, like mom22dogs suggested? And balanced the eating with socializing?
Hmm...everything is almost opposite for me. Boring foods tends to make me eat less and go do something else. Why would anyone want to fill way up with cucumbers, celery sticks? LOL. The key with this is...you actually have to eat boring foods in order to eat less. Interesting foods, occasions would make me overeat. Third grade logic here.
Having one or two glasses of wine or whatever the restrictive amount of your favorite foods is very counterproductive to one's diet. You'll be stimulating your appetite and thus constantly testing your willpower, remembering to cut back. Why would you put yourself in a tough situation and then work hard to get out?
In this regard, I would eat until I'm satisfied physically and emotionally (and skip other meals to make up) or don't eat that good food at all which is much easier to do (for your diet). Eating foods in a superficial amount is also counterproductive.
Like you said, which I agree, food is meant to provide nutrients, a pleasure (but that has to be with enough quantify) and for socializing and what not, which has to be eaten the way it's meant.
I think diet food is supposed to have the effect you get from it, but I have overeaten the boring food to try to get satisfaction, and then I overate junk food to try to get satisfaction. It didn't work, and I don't think it works for that many people. I eat much less when the food is great, interesting, tasty, delicious.
If wine is a trigger "food", and urges her to overconsume, then the OP shouldn't drink wine either. But we haven't been able to establish that.
The magic happens when we find a diet, structure, plan, whatever, that lets us enjoy food and eat to satiety, while losing and maintaining weight effortlessly. You will know it's working because it won't be hard. This will be something different for each person.
Strange day for me to run into so many contradicting thoughts/ideas.
But nevertheless, interesting.
I think you use boring foods all wrong. Boring foods such as a simple sandwich, boiled eggs, cucumber salad, are meant for you to fill up quickly without a ton of calories, while aren't bad at nutrition. There's very little joy, satisfaction from them. That's why they are boring, per definition.
You are the first one I see that says tasty, interesting foods help you eat less. I think overweight people's diet issue is they like their foods too much. Put it another way, foods are too much fun and tasty to them.
Another case of not talking about the same things?
When I think about boring food, I think about low fat yogurt, skim milk, boiled chicken breast, rice cakes, plain raw carrots, plain boiled potatoes, plain hard boiled eggs.
I used to think I liked food too much and that was why I couldn't stop eating, but I have learnt that I have just been wanting food/taste too much. Wanting also means missing, and I wanted taste and enjoyment from food too much because I didn't allow myself to have that. My liking has always been normal, and now my wanting is normal too, because I let myself have what I want and like and I don't worry about losing health and gaining weight.
What you are calling boring food, seems to be what I would call simple food. Simple food can be delicious and tasty, food doesn't have to be elaborate and expensive. Balanced and varied, well prepared, in appropriate amounts, simple food can be very pleasureable - to me.
I also have problems with the concept of "filling" foods - my experience is that the mere dilation of the stomach doesn't have too much to do with how satisfied I get. Nutritionists distinguish between "sated" and "satiated". This is a difference I have recognized. I can get "fed up" with boring food, but not satisfied. I will seek more food to get satisfaction. The problem for me was that I was gullible and stupid, and believed diet food was good, and that I just had to push through or something. So I didn't say "screw it, I'm eating what I like, give me some real food" - I said "everything that tastes good is bad for me, so then I'll just go for the food that tastes the most". Junk has a strong and simple tastes, not very rich and nuanced. Real food can quite possible taste boring to an untrained palate. I know I have been picking up more and more flavors during the last 2-3 years. It's like an adventure.0 -
I know exactly what I have to do. I know what foods to eat and how much to exercise. I have learned a lot about myself over the years. One of them is I am not 'moderation girl'. I have been trying to maintain my lifestyle and eat less and exercise more. That thinking got me into the trouble I am in now! Haha!
The truth is I have to be strict with myself at least for the first month just to get a groove going. I am just frustrated because capturing that frame of mind that just 'clicks' and gets you on your way seems to be absent.
When I was successful before I had a 'no slippery slope' policy. Which meant I could not give myself cheat days, a taste of this or that, a glass of wine. For me those are just triggers for excuses.
And 54 sucks! I thought the weight came off slow in my late 40's. Sheesh, this is like shoveling poop uphill only just to have it roll back down.
Thanks for letting me vent. I appreciate all the feedback.0 -
endlessfall16 wrote: »ItsyBitsy246 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »dvdiamond11 wrote: »
I eat very healthy foods. No fast food, prepackaged foods, very low sugar consumption, etc... I just eat too much!kommodevaran wrote: »What are the right things, and why do you quit eating them?
Its really about wrapping my brain around what I want more, to eat and drink and be social, or to use my willpower to say no, or to not drink (wine) when going out (yeah right). Last night my husband and I were invited to a yearly get together with a lot of our friends. He went without me. I decided the temptation was just too much to deal with. BTW, I live in wine country. Drinking wine is a way of life around these parts. I also work in the wine industry. So wine is everywhere and one of my passions.
I know I can do this,its just so danged hard!
Boring food and restrictive behavior tends to lead to overeating. We can do anything for a while, but what counts is what we can do for life. Eating and drinking is an important part of social occasions, food is designed (also by nature) to be a pleasure, and we are supposed to eat end enjoy it - you can't rely on your willpower for long to stop you from following your instincts. It sounds really sad that you couldn't go and see your friends. What if you had one or two glasses of wine, like mom22dogs suggested? And balanced the eating with socializing?
Hmm...everything is almost opposite for me. Boring foods tends to make me eat less and go do something else. Why would anyone want to fill way up with cucumbers, celery sticks? LOL. The key with this is...you actually have to eat boring foods in order to eat less. Interesting foods, occasions would make me overeat. Third grade logic here.
Having one or two glasses of wine or whatever the restrictive amount of your favorite foods is very counterproductive to one's diet. You'll be stimulating your appetite and thus constantly testing your willpower, remembering to cut back. Why would you put yourself in a tough situation and then work hard to get out?
In this regard, I would eat until I'm satisfied physically and emotionally (and skip other meals to make up) or don't eat that good food at all which is much easier to do (for your diet). Eating foods in a superficial amount is also counterproductive.
Like you said, which I agree, food is meant to provide nutrients, a pleasure (but that has to be with enough quantify) and for socializing and what not, which has to be eaten the way it's meant.
Interesting. I guess everyone is different. I haven't found having one or two glasses of wine (or whatever smaller portion of foods) to be counter productive at all. This is coming from a woman who knows how to down and enjoy her wine/beer/liquor/food. I also don't feel like my willpower is being tested either if I eat smaller portions of foods I love. I wanted to say that maybe its because I've doing this for five months and it's second nature, but upon reflection, this wasn't an issue at the beginning either. Just a mental shift I guess.
If you have no problem eating smaller portions, I don't know what challenge there is for you to lose or maintain your weight.
Another interesting (weird to me) thing from your previous post is " Exercise has always made me feel depressed and angry afterwards,"
It should be the opposite, quoted the Web:
"When you exercise, your body releases chemicals called endorphins. These endorphins interact with the receptors in your brain that reduce your perception of pain. Endorphins also trigger a positive feeling in the body, similar to that of morphine."
So far it hasn't been too challenging; I hope I didn't jinx myself by saying that! Odd as it seems, I never really thought about counting calories until I started this in March. I just tried to eat healthy and "not too much" which over the years turned out to be too much indeed. My deficit isn't huge either, so that helps.
About the depression after exercise, I used to think I was a total freak until I started googling "depression after exercise" or some such search term and learned that I'm not the only one.
Here's one example: http://ask.metafilter.com/186518/Runners-low
ETA: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1209062/i-often-feel-super-depressed-after-exercise-why
I also have summer SAD, whereas most people with SAD seem to be affected by winter. Go figure. 0 -
kommodevaran wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »dvdiamond11 wrote: »
I eat very healthy foods. No fast food, prepackaged foods, very low sugar consumption, etc... I just eat too much!kommodevaran wrote: »What are the right things, and why do you quit eating them?
Its really about wrapping my brain around what I want more, to eat and drink and be social, or to use my willpower to say no, or to not drink (wine) when going out (yeah right). Last night my husband and I were invited to a yearly get together with a lot of our friends. He went without me. I decided the temptation was just too much to deal with. BTW, I live in wine country. Drinking wine is a way of life around these parts. I also work in the wine industry. So wine is everywhere and one of my passions.
I know I can do this,its just so danged hard!
Boring food and restrictive behavior tends to lead to overeating. We can do anything for a while, but what counts is what we can do for life. Eating and drinking is an important part of social occasions, food is designed (also by nature) to be a pleasure, and we are supposed to eat end enjoy it - you can't rely on your willpower for long to stop you from following your instincts. It sounds really sad that you couldn't go and see your friends. What if you had one or two glasses of wine, like mom22dogs suggested? And balanced the eating with socializing?
Hmm...everything is almost opposite for me. Boring foods tends to make me eat less and go do something else. Why would anyone want to fill way up with cucumbers, celery sticks? LOL. The key with this is...you actually have to eat boring foods in order to eat less. Interesting foods, occasions would make me overeat. Third grade logic here.
Having one or two glasses of wine or whatever the restrictive amount of your favorite foods is very counterproductive to one's diet. You'll be stimulating your appetite and thus constantly testing your willpower, remembering to cut back. Why would you put yourself in a tough situation and then work hard to get out?
In this regard, I would eat until I'm satisfied physically and emotionally (and skip other meals to make up) or don't eat that good food at all which is much easier to do (for your diet). Eating foods in a superficial amount is also counterproductive.
Like you said, which I agree, food is meant to provide nutrients, a pleasure (but that has to be with enough quantify) and for socializing and what not, which has to be eaten the way it's meant.
I think diet food is supposed to have the effect you get from it, but I have overeaten the boring food to try to get satisfaction, and then I overate junk food to try to get satisfaction. It didn't work, and I don't think it works for that many people. I eat much less when the food is great, interesting, tasty, delicious.
If wine is a trigger "food", and urges her to overconsume, then the OP shouldn't drink wine either. But we haven't been able to establish that.
The magic happens when we find a diet, structure, plan, whatever, that lets us enjoy food and eat to satiety, while losing and maintaining weight effortlessly. You will know it's working because it won't be hard. This will be something different for each person.
Strange day for me to run into so many contradicting thoughts/ideas. But nevertheless, interesting.
I think you use boring foods all wrong. Boring foods such as a simple sandwich, boiled eggs, cucumber salad, are meant for you to fill up quickly without a ton of calories, while aren't bad at nutrition. There's very little joy, satisfaction from them. That's why they are boring, per definition.
You are the first one I see that says tasty, interesting foods help you eat less. I think overweight people's diet issue is they like their foods too much. Put it another way, foods are too much fun and tasty to them.
Another case of not talking about the same things? When I think about boring food, I think about low fat yogurt, skim milk, boiled chicken breast, rice cakes, plain raw carrots, plain boiled potatoes, plain hard boiled eggs.
I used to think I liked food too much and that was why I couldn't stop eating, but I have learnt that I have just been wanting food/taste too much. Wanting also means missing, and I wanted taste and enjoyment from food too much because I didn't allow myself to have that. My liking has always been normal, and now my wanting is normal too, because I let myself have what I want and like and I don't worry about losing health and gaining weight.
What you are calling boring food, seems to be what I would call simple food. Simple food can be delicious and tasty, food doesn't have to be elaborate and expensive. Balanced and varied, well prepared, in appropriate amounts, simple food can be very pleasureable - to me.
I also have problems with the concept of "filling" foods - my experience is that the mere dilation of the stomach doesn't have too much to do with how satisfied I get. Nutritionists distinguish between "sated" and "satiated". This is a difference I have recognized. I can get "fed up" with boring food, but not satisfied. I will seek more food to get satisfaction. The problem for me was that I was gullible and stupid, and believed diet food was good, and that I just had to push through or something. So I didn't say "screw it, I'm eating what I like, give me some real food" - I said "everything that tastes good is bad for me, so then I'll just go for the food that tastes the most". Junk has a strong and simple tastes, not very rich and nuanced. Real food can quite possible taste boring to an untrained palate. I know I have been picking up more and more flavors during the last 2-3 years. It's like an adventure.
That reads a bit snobbish.
I can't imagine or describe the variety of tastes that Carl Jrs or any junk fast food places come up for their burgers and other items. They are not simple tastes if they are made of a dozen ingredients and are processed in many ways and some of which cannot be done at home, thus you cannot be used to the tastes.
Foods in their original forms tend to be boring. I suspect that has to do with evolution, like everyone in our ancestry knew the foods ever since they were around. Only thing new, and thus interesting, is how people throw together a bunch of item and come up with something unseen. There's virtually no cooking show that shows the beauty or appeal of original form foods. Inventing or cooking complex stuff is distinctly human and a positive trait that's encouraged.
"I also have problems with the concept of "filling" foods - my experience is that the mere dilation of the stomach doesn't have too much to do with how satisfied I get."
Again, you miss the point of eating "filling" foods. In wt control context, It's not possible to have satisfying eating all the time, especially in an abundant environment. It's human nature to seek more and more pleasure if allowed. Addictions do not stay the same level.
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That sounds a bit naïve (yes, I deliberately chose that spellingendlessfall16 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »dvdiamond11 wrote: »
I eat very healthy foods. No fast food, prepackaged foods, very low sugar consumption, etc... I just eat too much!kommodevaran wrote: »What are the right things, and why do you quit eating them?
Its really about wrapping my brain around what I want more, to eat and drink and be social, or to use my willpower to say no, or to not drink (wine) when going out (yeah right). Last night my husband and I were invited to a yearly get together with a lot of our friends. He went without me. I decided the temptation was just too much to deal with. BTW, I live in wine country. Drinking wine is a way of life around these parts. I also work in the wine industry. So wine is everywhere and one of my passions.
I know I can do this,its just so danged hard!
Boring food and restrictive behavior tends to lead to overeating. We can do anything for a while, but what counts is what we can do for life. Eating and drinking is an important part of social occasions, food is designed (also by nature) to be a pleasure, and we are supposed to eat end enjoy it - you can't rely on your willpower for long to stop you from following your instincts. It sounds really sad that you couldn't go and see your friends. What if you had one or two glasses of wine, like mom22dogs suggested? And balanced the eating with socializing?
Hmm...everything is almost opposite for me. Boring foods tends to make me eat less and go do something else. Why would anyone want to fill way up with cucumbers, celery sticks? LOL. The key with this is...you actually have to eat boring foods in order to eat less. Interesting foods, occasions would make me overeat. Third grade logic here.
Having one or two glasses of wine or whatever the restrictive amount of your favorite foods is very counterproductive to one's diet. You'll be stimulating your appetite and thus constantly testing your willpower, remembering to cut back. Why would you put yourself in a tough situation and then work hard to get out?
In this regard, I would eat until I'm satisfied physically and emotionally (and skip other meals to make up) or don't eat that good food at all which is much easier to do (for your diet). Eating foods in a superficial amount is also counterproductive.
Like you said, which I agree, food is meant to provide nutrients, a pleasure (but that has to be with enough quantify) and for socializing and what not, which has to be eaten the way it's meant.
I think diet food is supposed to have the effect you get from it, but I have overeaten the boring food to try to get satisfaction, and then I overate junk food to try to get satisfaction. It didn't work, and I don't think it works for that many people. I eat much less when the food is great, interesting, tasty, delicious.
If wine is a trigger "food", and urges her to overconsume, then the OP shouldn't drink wine either. But we haven't been able to establish that.
The magic happens when we find a diet, structure, plan, whatever, that lets us enjoy food and eat to satiety, while losing and maintaining weight effortlessly. You will know it's working because it won't be hard. This will be something different for each person.
Strange day for me to run into so many contradicting thoughts/ideas. But nevertheless, interesting.
I think you use boring foods all wrong. Boring foods such as a simple sandwich, boiled eggs, cucumber salad, are meant for you to fill up quickly without a ton of calories, while aren't bad at nutrition. There's very little joy, satisfaction from them. That's why they are boring, per definition.
You are the first one I see that says tasty, interesting foods help you eat less. I think overweight people's diet issue is they like their foods too much. Put it another way, foods are too much fun and tasty to them.
Another case of not talking about the same things? When I think about boring food, I think about low fat yogurt, skim milk, boiled chicken breast, rice cakes, plain raw carrots, plain boiled potatoes, plain hard boiled eggs.
I used to think I liked food too much and that was why I couldn't stop eating, but I have learnt that I have just been wanting food/taste too much. Wanting also means missing, and I wanted taste and enjoyment from food too much because I didn't allow myself to have that. My liking has always been normal, and now my wanting is normal too, because I let myself have what I want and like and I don't worry about losing health and gaining weight.
What you are calling boring food, seems to be what I would call simple food. Simple food can be delicious and tasty, food doesn't have to be elaborate and expensive. Balanced and varied, well prepared, in appropriate amounts, simple food can be very pleasureable - to me.
I also have problems with the concept of "filling" foods - my experience is that the mere dilation of the stomach doesn't have too much to do with how satisfied I get. Nutritionists distinguish between "sated" and "satiated". This is a difference I have recognized. I can get "fed up" with boring food, but not satisfied. I will seek more food to get satisfaction. The problem for me was that I was gullible and stupid, and believed diet food was good, and that I just had to push through or something. So I didn't say "screw it, I'm eating what I like, give me some real food" - I said "everything that tastes good is bad for me, so then I'll just go for the food that tastes the most". Junk has a strong and simple tastes, not very rich and nuanced. Real food can quite possible taste boring to an untrained palate. I know I have been picking up more and more flavors during the last 2-3 years. It's like an adventure.
That reads a bit snobbish.
I can't imagine or describe the variety of tastes that Carl Jrs or any junk fast food places come up for their burgers and other items. They are not simple tastes if they are made of a dozen ingredients and are processed in many ways and some of which cannot be done at home, thus you cannot be used to the tastes.
Foods in their original forms tend to be boring. I suspect that has to do with evolution, like everyone in our ancestry knew the foods ever since they were around. Only thing new, and thus interesting, is how people throw together a bunch of item and come up with something unseen. There's virtually no cooking show that shows the beauty or appeal of original form foods. Inventing or cooking complex stuff is distinctly human and a positive trait that's encouraged.
). Don't think for a moment that restaurants and food manufactureres develop more and more alluring taste and texture combinations just out of their good hearts. It's about profit. Cooking shows, magazine editors and food scientists have to make up more and more absurd creations (and make it seem like they are creating something new, which they really aren't) to keep customers "happy" and wanting to buy and eat more and more.
I guess we just like what we like, and when we like something more, we have to like the other things less.
I feel satisfied "all the time" now, and I'm in maintenance, even slowly losing some weight. I'm not eating all the time, though."I also have problems with the concept of "filling" foods - my experience is that the mere dilation of the stomach doesn't have too much to do with how satisfied I get."
Again, you miss the point of eating "filling" foods. In wt control context, It's not possible to have satisfying eating all the time, especially in an abundant environment. It's human nature to seek more and more pleasure if allowed.
I don't understand this.Addictions do not stay the same level.0 -
Losing when older IS different. With age we have more maturity and the experience of setting a plan and sticking to it! We have the motivation of health, family, and a longer life, not just a bikini. Lots of older women here have lost tons of weight (literally!). Age is just a number, so don't let anyone convince you differently, especially yourself.
I'm 61. I started shortly after my 59th birthday and losing a dear friend to CHF. I believe at this point in life we have the experience, maturity, and motivation to stick to our commitments. For most of us, it's about far more than looking good in a bikini. It doesn't matter whether its "harder" to lose weight at this age. Menopause doesn't matter. Working, not working, having family, having medical issues, etc. doesn't "matter" for this journey
What matters is that you decide what you want, make a plan, set some good habits, and follow them day in and day out. Don't sit around waiting to "feel motivated." Just act on your plan and follow your new habits, the same way you brush your teeth and take a shower.
I don't think about whether I "feel motivated" before I fix my meal, go on a walk, or go to fitness class. I do it because that is my plan and my decision. I don't want to go back to where I was--I felt awful physically and mentally--and that's enough to keep me on track. It's not easy, but it can be done. I've done it and after 27 months I am only a few pounds from my goal.
My view is that it's not necessarily harder at "our age". If it's a little harder physically, it can be easier mentally. Maybe we are more committed because "doing it for health" means a lot more. We have the life experience to stick with our goals and commitments. What "other people" think doesn't affect us as much. The mental aspect of weight loss is the hard part, and we have lots of skills in that area. Younger women frequently ask me what I've done & how I stay motivated. So it's not like they have it figured out and it's a breeze. Sometimes I feel bad that I'm not faster or stronger in classes, then I have to remind myself that at age 61 I'm often the oldest there and I've made immense progress in 2+ years. In the end, it's my own progress that matters.
Mentally it can be easier to lose as we get older because we've lived with the weight longer, want to get rid of it more badly, know how to commit to a goal, are more aware of the health concerns, and just have more internal motivation. Forget all the chatter about whether or not it's harder. At my small fitness studio, I've earned a lot of respect from many younger people who've been bouncing up and down the same 10 pounds while I've dropped 147.
I'd encourage you not to use age as an excuse. At this point in life we have the experience & maturity to overcome obstacles and reach our goals. Lots of women have done it!
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I just can't keep seeing this thread title without a "that's what she said." I've tried. I can't.2
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you're ahead of the game if you enjoy exercising. So start there. My advice is to "fake it till you make it."
Have you ever smiled when you were sad or started singing a fun song when you were down? It is almost impossible to stay sad and depressed. Once you work out and eat right for a few weeks.. it will start clicking..and you will be back on track. Just force yourself to go through the motions to start.
You also said.. "log every single bite" or something like that. Seems like the obsessing over the food is what drags you down. fyi.. i'm not logging real strict right now..some days not at all. Why? because I know my personality..and I don't want to do that forever ..it is like a prison sentence to me. So, I exercise I'm eating how I know I should.. and it is working.. I've been at it for 36 days now.. progress is just now showing.
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kommodevaran wrote: »What are the right things?
For me, the right thinfs are low cal, nutritous and add volume aka veg. Also protein and fats.
For me the wrong things are sweets and alcohol because i find it hard to limit them once i start.
But sometimes the wrong things are so right!1 -
endlessfall16 wrote: »It should be the opposite, quoted the Web:
"When you exercise, your body releases chemicals called endorphins. These endorphins interact with the receptors in your brain that reduce your perception of pain. Endorphins also trigger a positive feeling in the body, similar to that of morphine."
Not everyone gets endorphins or "runner's high".1 -
This sounds like my last five years! Hormones change everything! Here to follow the advice.0
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The key I think is the phrase "why bother?". I agree with everyone here that you gain experience and the ability to make a plan. You understand your own limits and what works for you. For me its exactly the same. For ages its been the "why bother?" voice in my head that is the problem. Yes being 47 makes it physically more challenging however I did kick in to some exercise a year ago a lost weight well so I cannot hide behind excuses.
2 weeks ago I got on the scales and weigh more than I ever have even when I was pregnant. Not cool!
I have lost 1kg since then and its the psychology of the process not the food and exercise that gets to me. Thanks for sharing because my head is all over the place and I have to get control of the negative and accentuate the positive.
Hopefully this is not too embarrassing to admit but I went to a hypnotherapist and it helped me focus on the hot 50 year old and picture that me in my head. I even have a haircut and dress in mind to make it real.
Good luck and thanks for the inspiring thoughts.0 -
Whitezombiegirl wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »What are the right things?
For me, the right thinfs are low cal, nutritous and add volume aka veg. Also protein and fats.
For me the wrong things are sweets and alcohol because i find it hard to limit them once i start.
But sometimes the wrong things are so right!
To me, and I will give MFP a lot of the credit for it, no foods are off limits, so that sounds a bit distorted. I used to think that way myself, because I couldn't eat "the right things" for very long, and then I overate "the wrong things" (not alcohol, but I used to gorge myself on chips, ice cream and cookies), and so I was distressed, unhappy and overweight. Have you looked into mindful/intuitive eating?0
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