Maintenance Seems Too Low?

Hey everyone. I was just hoping for a little bit of advice (my food diary is public).

I am 5'4" and 111lbs. I am currently working on becoming stronger, so that I can do work around the farm more easily, and have no access to a gym where I live. MyFitnessPal has calculated my maintenance calories at 1560 a day, which means I often need to go on an hour-long brisk walk just so that I can eat dinner without going over. We're operating on a very limited food stamp budget (about $110), so I don't have a whole lot of flexibility as far as food goes, especially with the garden winding down, the new flock of chickens aren't laying yet, and it's not time to send the pigs to freezer camp.

Today, for example, I ate:
Breakfast
-peanut butter and jelly sandwich for breakfast (fresh bread and canned jelly)
-mug of coffee

I may have overestimated the peanut butter and coffee creamer a little, as I tend to be very sparing with condiments, but not by a noticeable amount. Between breakfast and lunch, a liter of water.

Lunch
-Leftover roast from the other night
-Another mug of coffee (my coffee pot makes 2 mugs full, so I drink 2 a day)

That about uses up all of my calories for the day. I am making a leftovers pineapple beef stew meal served over rice for dinner for everyone, which means I'll need to go on a long walk to win back some calories, and even then I'll be over.

Does anyone have any advice on what I can do?



(Note: days I didn't log or where restaurant meals appear, my fiancé and his family took me out to eat)
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  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    I eat net 1550 and get 3 meals and a snack in without too much trouble.

    Start on MFP's number, but you may find you can actually eat more.
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,416 Member
    edited September 2016
    Well, peanut butter and jelly sandwich = lots of calories.
    Same with a roast (if it's beef) Beef is expensive and high calorie. I have it maybe once every two weeks.

    I eat on about $4 a day, 1600-1700 cals.

    Beans, rice, chicken on sale, oats (rolled, in the big container about $.012 per serving) eggs, cheese in a big 2lb loaf, on sale $4, tuna, bacon or sausage. Butter and yogurt, frozen vegetables, fresh lettuce, apples, bananas, melon, tomatoes, avocado, onion.

    Buy stuff in bulk on sale. Buy spices and whatever else is available fresh at the dollar store.

    It's possible. 1600-1700 calories is my maintenance cals without exercise - however I'm taller, weigh 30 pounds more and I'm waaaaay older, so take that with a grain of salt. You'll need to track your intake for a couple months to dial that number in.
  • deannasawyer
    deannasawyer Posts: 47 Member
    edited September 2016
    I am glad to hear that number doesn't seem abnormally low!

    Breakfast was 641 calories:
    My bread recipe is 276 calories for 2 slices,
    Peanut butter is 190 calories for a serving,
    Coffee jelly is 32 calories,
    and a brewed 12 fl oz mug of coffee w/ 1 tbsp of sugar and 1 tbsp of non-dairy creamer is 143 calories

    Lunch was 820 calories:
    The leftover pot roast was originally a slow-cooker 3lb roast, which I split up into 6 servings. I ate one serving for lunch, which MFP said was 677 calories.
    Coffee was made the same way as this morning.

    I am full now, and will not eat dinner until about 8-8:30pm, but I couldn't have gone all the way until tomorrow on this.

    EDIT: Hello, cmriverside! Looks like you posted while I was typing. Those foods you describe would be lovely, but planning just 21 dinners for 4 people put me at $100, and that was relying on things I already had preserved, spices I have already stockpiled, and meat purchased on sale. That leaves me with very little I can do for other meals, since dairy needs to be conserved for dinners. I am a breadbaker, so bread is something easy to come by.
  • adelanghe
    adelanghe Posts: 27 Member
    Can you explain me what is that Donkin Donuts coffee? Just curious about the high caloric value, and I'm not familiar with that kind of coffee
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    I am glad to hear that number doesn't seem abnormally low!

    Breakfast was 641 calories:
    My bread recipe is 276 calories for 2 slices,
    Peanut butter is 190 calories for a serving,
    Coffee jelly is 32 calories,
    and a brewed 12 fl oz mug of coffee w/ 1 tbsp of sugar and 1 tbsp of non-dairy creamer is 143 calories

    Lunch was 820 calories
    The leftover pot roast was originally a slow-cooker 3lb roast, which I split up into 6 servings. I ate one serving for lunch, which MFP said was 677 calories.
    Coffee was made the same way as this morning.

    I am full now, and will not eat dinner until about 8-8:30pm, but I couldn't have gone all the way until tomorrow on this.

    So you're making the choice to use nearly 300 cals on bread, 190 cals on PB etc...

    my breakfast is usually around 300 cals of protein enriched cereal with milk or fat free Greek yoghurt with granola...

    I'd look at where you can make better use of your cals tbh.
  • deannasawyer
    deannasawyer Posts: 47 Member
    edited September 2016

    So you're making the choice to use nearly 300 cals on bread, 190 cals on PB etc...

    my breakfast is usually around 300 cals of protein enriched cereal with milk or fat free Greek yoghurt with granola...

    I'd look at where you can make better use of your cals tbh.

    The breakfast you just described would cost as much as a dinner, not accounting for needing to feed the rest of my family. I can make a whole loaf of bread for the cost of 3 cups of flour, 2 tsp of yeast (purchased in 1lb increments for $5), and water. Other ingredients are added when I have extra. Jellies are already in my cupboard from canning over the last year.

    The dunkin donuts coffee is a bag of coffee grounds that I was gifted for Christmas last year. The brewed black coffee itself has 0 calories.
  • kgirlhart
    kgirlhart Posts: 5,162 Member
    My maintenance calories before exercise are 1560. I am 5'4.75" and 133. I am older than you at 48. I usually end up eating about 1800 calories a day. My plan is usually 450 for breakfast 450 for lunch and that leaves me 660 for dinner and an evening snack. If I do no exercise. I don't work out at a gym. I do 30 minutes of yoga (dvds) on weekdays and I walk about 3 miles daily ,so unless I'm sick I will get some extra calories every day. My typical breakfast is 2 boiled eggs (140 cal) a greek yogurt (100 cals) 2 cups of coffee with 2 tsp sugar and 2 tbsp half and half each (140 total cals) and some fruit. That puts me at 380 calories before I add the fruit and I usually have around 25-50 calories worth of fruit. Based on today's breakfast and lunch it seems to me like you might be able to cut back your calories at breakfast and lunch if you want to have more calories for dinner. Are you doing chores on a farm every day? I would think that you could either add that in as exercise, or consider yourself lightly active and get some more calories that way.
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member

    So you're making the choice to use nearly 300 cals on bread, 190 cals on PB etc...

    my breakfast is usually around 300 cals of protein enriched cereal with milk or fat free Greek yoghurt with granola...

    I'd look at where you can make better use of your cals tbh.

    The breakfast you just described would cost as much as a dinner, not accounting for needing to feed the rest of my family. I can make a whole loaf of bread for the cost of 3 cups of flour, 2 tsp of yeast (purchased in 1lb increments for $5), and water. Other ingredients are added when I have extra.

    The dunkin donuts coffee is a bag of coffee grounds that I was gifted for Christmas last year. The brewed black coffee itself has 0 calories.

    I was just saying there are many different things you can get that are filling without being 600 calories. Not that you had to eat what I eat.
  • mom23mangos
    mom23mangos Posts: 3,069 Member
    Lots more vegetables! Substitute Cauliflower rice to serve your stew over. Use spaghetti squash and zucchini as noodles. Keep the bread and peanut butter in moderation. Those things will quickly add up the calories. If it's filling for you, that's fine. Otherwise, bulk up with veggies. This is a great website for inspiration - http://www.hungry-girl.com/

    It sounds like you depend upon the land a lot to provide the majority of your food. Can you hunt for your protein sources and then spend your money on fresh fruits and vegetables?
  • deannasawyer
    deannasawyer Posts: 47 Member
    edited September 2016
    Hey guys, it seems like some of you may be reading my tone incorrectly. Please understand that I am not offended or being defensive. I am just honestly perplexed and not sure what I can do within my means. I know it is done, I'm just not sure how.

    I do wear a fitbit to track my steps, which is why I put in sedentary. My farm consists of 2 goats, 8 sheep, 4 pigs, and a flock of chickens, so I do have some physical chores such as hauling hay & grain, cleaning stalls, feeding, wrestling sheep/goats down for hoof trimmings.. but I am not sure I would consider those major calorie-burners. I am perfectly okay with exercising; I just know I'm not doing something right if I have to exercise just to eat dinner!
    Lots more vegetables! Substitute Cauliflower rice to serve your stew over. Use spaghetti squash and zucchini as noodles. Keep the bread and peanut butter in moderation. Those things will quickly add up the calories. If it's filling for you, that's fine. Otherwise, bulk up with veggies. This is a great website for inspiration - http://www.hungry-girl.com/

    It sounds like you depend upon the land a lot to provide the majority of your food. Can you hunt for your protein sources and then spend your money on fresh fruits and vegetables?

    Thank you so much for your suggestion! I have been using summer squash and zucchini that I froze to bulk up casseroles, but I am sure that there is more I can do with them. It would be nice to be able to spend money on fresh fruits, since I know that they are recommended for a healthy diet. Currently the only fruits we have available are drops from nearby apple trees (well, the ones good enough for humans anyway! The others go to the pigs). I may be able to work something out. We could cut back further on meat for now, only having it once every 2 weeks instead of once a week until the pigs are ready.

    Cmriverside, I do thank you for your suggestions. Currently my family is operating on a net loss as far as income goes, and while I am the one in charge of food, I have no control over the finances. Perhaps once these pigs are in the freezer and we're not spending $75/wk on grain, it may be easier (eggs from the new flock will help, too!).
  • tcunbeliever
    tcunbeliever Posts: 8,219 Member
    If it were me and I needed to cut calories I would just have the coffee black, and probably ditch the PB or reduce the amount and have it as toast with either just jelly or just a tiny bit of PB and then jelly.

    I'd also probably cut the lunch portion in half, but that's kind of personal preference since I like a smaller lunch and if I eat a big one I get all sluggish in the afternoon.
  • deannasawyer
    deannasawyer Posts: 47 Member
    That sounds like a good idea. I could probably transition to drinking it with just sugar, and eventually black (or not at all). The coffee was a gift, so once it is gone, I will likely not drink it anymore. Peanut butter also seems like a good way to avoid calories, and I don't need to be buying it anyway. Surely just jelly would be fine.
  • deannasawyer
    deannasawyer Posts: 47 Member
    edited September 2016
    :p Beef is not the norm for me. Because it is so expensive, it's more of a monthly treat (buy one roast and split amongst several meals) but I get what you mean about the calorie-dense foods.

    To be completely honest (and I feel very silly), I've never purchased frozen vegetables. I've always eaten fresh or home-canned. Do they cost much to buy frozen typically?
  • shannonkk
    shannonkk Posts: 192 Member
    could you maybe make thinner slices of bread and just put jelly on it. could you half that roast serving and add some baked potatoe with it. Baked potatoes cooked in juices are my go to when I need to fill up on less calories. Also, maybe you could use a tablespoon of milk instead of creamer.
  • kimny72
    kimny72 Posts: 16,011 Member
    :p Beef is not the norm for me. Because it is so expensive, it's more of a monthly treat (buy one roast and split amongst several meals) but I get what you mean about the calorie-dense foods.

    To be completely honest (and I feel very silly), I've never purchased frozen vegetables. I've always eaten fresh or home-canned. Do they cost much to buy frozen typically?

    I guess it might depend where you live, but here in NY I can buy bags of store brand frozen veggies for $0.99 - $1.29 each. Things like corn, peas, broccoli, spinach, carrots. I usually get maybe 4 servings out of them, but adding veggies to other things even in small quantities can add volume without adding many calories.
  • deannasawyer
    deannasawyer Posts: 47 Member
    edited September 2016
    Great idea, Shannonkk. :) That would also stretch the roast longer. Bread is kind of a toss-up since fresh bread goes bad so quickly, but hopefully when the dry winter air comes that won't be so much of an issue.

    I live in rural ME, so those prices should be similar, Kimny72. I'll take a look next time I go to the store. Even if I can't afford too much to start, I can slowly start stocking the freezer.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    What were your inputs for activity level...if you put sedentary then that would probably be about right...most people need to move more if they want to eat more...sedentary people can't eat much...they're too sedentary and don't require much fuel.

    My wife is 5'2" and maintains on around 2200 - 2300 calories per day...she trains regularly.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Also be aware that 1560 goal is for an actual sedentary day. And from MFP sedentary is really sedentary, like no kids, pets, not much reason for moving.

    Dollars to donuts your Fitbit is informing MFP that you are no where near sedentary - and your actual eating allowance is much higher if you have accounts synced.

    That takes care of the eating enough - as to how to do it in budget - you got some good suggestions I'll let continue.
  • shannonkk
    shannonkk Posts: 192 Member
    I put my bread in the freezer because I like the kind that goes bad quick, freeze your bread and toast it or warm it in the oven, yumm. Do you make noodles or pretzels, they just need a little salt and no condiments.
  • flaminica
    flaminica Posts: 304 Member
    MyFitnessPal has calculated my maintenance calories at 1560 a day.

    Old saying: The proof is in the pudding.

    Your actual maintenance calories may be higher than MFP claims. Continue to closely monitor your calories and your weight. If pounds continue to drift off, increase calories until you find your balanced point. This may take several months. MFP told me back in May that my maintenance calorie count was only 1420, but I've lost six pounds since then eating around 1700. The TDEE formula they use is clearly a bit aggressive for some people.
  • deannasawyer
    deannasawyer Posts: 47 Member
    Some days, my Fitbit gives me 500-600 extra calories. Normally it only gives me about 200 more by the end of the day. If I go over my calorie allowance, I usually spend a couple hours before bed on the exercise bike while I do computer work.

    Great tip about the bread in the freezer! I do indeed make noodles & pretzels as well, just not as often as they tend to take up a large amount of time to make.
  • Spliner1969
    Spliner1969 Posts: 3,233 Member
    Question for the OP: Are you hoping to subsist at maintenance without any form of regular exercise? If so, you may need to adjust some of the things you eat. I do a lot of things differently, like buy lower calorie breads (Healthy Life, and Sara Lee make 35 and 45 calorie per slice bread that is pretty tasty). They also make hamburger and hotdog buns that come in at 80 calories. Peanut butter is difficult, because of the oils it's really high calorie. You choose to eat it or not, I prefer PB2 it's about 1/3 the calories and, for me at least, the chocolate version is pretty tasty. PB2 and other peanut butter powders are expensive though, so I don't always buy them and sometimes just deal with the calories from regular peanut butter that the family eats. Anything with lots of fat is going to be lots of calories, so try to increase protein a bit and lower fat, but don't cut all fat, you need a good amount for good health. IIFYM.com's calculator helped me quite a bit, as you can add in your regular exercise in their calc and come up with a daily calorie level and macros to stick with for maintenance. I eat a lot of low fat items for calorie reduction, but some of it just isn't as tasty as the full fat version, but lower fat, or light versions sometimes are.

    Do check out some other calculators around the net. You'll find some are different, and most will be higher than MFP's estimation if you add in your regular exercise. Just remember, if you use something like IIFYM to calculate a calorie goal for maintenance based on added exercise, you must turn off additional calories added from exercise at MFP or you'll go over and not realize it.
  • jesheckah
    jesheckah Posts: 33 Member
    For frozen veggies, you could also check your local dollar store! They sometimes have bags that are pretty decently sized, same for fruits. i got a bag of mixed berries there that I use to flavor waters and it has lasted me a few months.

    If you can buy beans in bulk, you can make REALLY yummy simple beans for cheap.

    https://www.walmart.com/ip/10314949?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227008506416&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=40890148232&wl4=pla-57787710346&wl5=9023446&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=10314949&wl13=&veh=sem

    This 8 pounds will make at least 3X that in volume. Just soak them overnight in 2 cup increments, rinse them, and then put them in a pot with 3X as much water. Sprinkle a small amount of salt, and put 1/4th an onion in with them. if you have a rice cooker or pressure cooker they will be done in about 3 hours, otherwise it can take 4-6. Keep them covered.

    You could also look into getting some quaker oats and doing cold oats for breakfast.

    http://hurrythefoodup.com/how-to-make-overnight-oats-in-a-jar/

    The possibilities for what you can add are endless, but you get more fiber that way, and you can use up small scraps.
  • DoreenaV1975
    DoreenaV1975 Posts: 567 Member
    Oh wow! I average about 1300-1380 a day when (I'm eating at full maintenance mode) and I eat 3 meals and 3 snacks a day.
    Even when I'm "deficiting" at 1,000-1200 calories I feel like I eat more than you do, or at least more often.
    I see a lot of wasted calories in your meals.
    For the record I eat cookies and peanut butter and coffee... etc... almost on the daily (well, coffee definitely on the daily) and I still fit it all in my calories, just in smaller portions - for example PB is 1 TBSP not 2.
    I think the problem is your limited access to food or you just don't realize how easily cutting a few of your portions down will benefit you in the long run. My coffee, before MFP used to be in the 100 calorie range. I now average about 50-60 calories per every 2 cups! I made adjustments because I wanted to be able to eat more/more often! Looks like you may want to figure that out.
  • deannasawyer
    deannasawyer Posts: 47 Member
    edited September 2016
    My regular exercise comes from work around the farm, so some days are more active than others. I'd like to be able to maintain at sedentary level, so that I can adjust according to my activity that day instead of overshooting my calorie intake and then trying to make it up at the end of the day.

    Thank you all for your suggestions. <3 I took some notes, and here is my takeaway from this discussion (in no particular order):
    -Cut out or minimize peanut butter entirely
    -Put the bread in the freezer so I do not feel pressured to eat it as quickly
    -(when eggs are available) Use eggs to help feel fuller in lieu of more bread
    -Buy frozen fruits/veggies for the freezer when I have a little extra money, and use these to bulk up meals (not just dinner)
    -Transition to black coffee
    -BEANS & TATERS (thanks guys!)
    -Introduce more fiber

    Was there anything else super important that I missed?

    Also: I completely get what you mean, Doreena. When I made a batch of meringue cookies with some extra egg whites I had, for example, I was shocked at how often I could treat myself with a cookie, since the calories per cookie were something like only 30 apiece.

    EDIT: Oh, duh! The dehydrator! I could totally dehydrate some of the apple drops to eat later, and dehydrate other fruits/veggies when they are on sale to use as snacks! (doh!)
  • Spliner1969
    Spliner1969 Posts: 3,233 Member
    -Cut out or minimize peanut butter entirely
    -Put the bread in the freezer so I do not feel pressured to eat it as quickly
    -(when eggs are available) Use eggs to help feel fuller in lieu of more bread
    -Buy frozen fruits/veggies for the freezer when I have a little extra money, and use these to bulk up meals (not just dinner)
    -Transition to black coffee
    -BEANS & TATERS
    -Introduce more fiber

    Was there anything else super important that I missed?

    I would miss peanut butter, do try PB2 sometime though. Peanut Butter would be great on a day when you've burned extra calories. PB2 on other days when you have a craving (there are other brands of peanut powder, Jiff, etc.).

    I also tried to transition to black coffee with no luck. I just don't like it, it's bitter and sucks. So now I drink it black (no creamer most of the time, or maybe 1 tsp dry non-dairy @ 10 cals, plus I use Stevia Packets. They cost me carbs but are 0 calorie. I do drink it less than I used to, but it's still good with Stevia and lighter creamer options. Hell if you can skip the creamer and just use the Stevia, it's 0 calories.

    Taters are good. Try other veggies too, I like cauliflower. Always hated it as a kid, and still dislike it raw, but take about 300g of it, toss it with salt pepper and about a tbsp of olive oil, then bake it at 375 for about 30-45 minutes until it gets a little brown around the edges. It makes a very filling 2 serving dish @ about 100 calories each and has a good amount of fiber. Add that recipe to MFP's recipe calculator and you'll see what I mean.

    For breakfast I learned to like Bran Cereal. So now I generally eat .5 cups of original Fiber One Bran with half a banana chopped up in it with .5 cup of vanilla almond milk, then I drink a protein shake after it. What I do is take bananas, let them ripen, then chop them up into slices and freeze them in the freezer, store them in zip lock bags, and simply chop up about 63g of them to add to my cereal in the morning. It's not bad at all with the vanilla almond milk.

    .5 cup Fiber One Original Bran Cereal = 60 cal, 25 carbs (complex carbs!), 14g fiber!!, 2g protein
    .5 cup Silk Light Vanilla Almond Milk = 30 cal, 6 carbs, 1g protein
    63g Dole banana (half a medium) = 55 cal, 15 carbs, 2g fiber, 1g protein

    Total for the cereal is 145 cal, 46 carbs, 16g fiber!, 4g protein

    I then drink a 2 scoop Body Fortress Vanilla or Chocolate When Isolate shake = 280 cal, 60g protein, 6 carbs, 2g fiber mixed with nothing but water

    It's a pretty filling breakfast at about 425 calories, 64g protein, 18g fiber, and 52 carbs. It may sound like it tastes bad but it doesn't, I enjoy it and it's simple and quick. On weekends I work out more and eat a bigger breakfast but that's my go-to M-F breakfast.

    Just ideas, you can mix in any fruit you want into the cereal, and it'll help you get your fiber up quickly.