Regardless of form/ weight....deadlifts cause pain

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  • dwdw2345
    dwdw2345 Posts: 4 Member
    hill8570 wrote: »
    Are you lifting with a belt? Or at least pushing out hard with the abs and holding your valsalva hard? If the abs and air aren't doing their part, your back is going to have to carry way too much of the load.

    This ^. Well the abs part of it anyway. I don't even know what a valsalva is and was a little hesitant to Google it at work I might add.

    After several years of reading/research, pain, injuries and on/off deadlifting, for me it was as simple as being sure to flex my abs on the way up AND on the way down.
  • dwdw2345
    dwdw2345 Posts: 4 Member
    hill8570 wrote: »
    Are you lifting with a belt? Or at least pushing out hard with the abs and holding your valsalva hard? If the abs and air aren't doing their part, your back is going to have to carry way too much of the load.

    This ^. Well the abs part of it anyway. I don't even know what a valsalva is and was a little hesitant to Google it at work I might add.

    After several years of reading/research, pain, injuries and on/off deadlifting, for me it was as simple as being sure to flex my abs on the way up AND on the way down.
  • Neanbean13
    Neanbean13 Posts: 211 Member
    Goodness im wondering who yold you this was correct form?
  • arditarose
    arditarose Posts: 15,573 Member
    OP, start closer to the bar. I know you're going for that super upright position but it just doesn't work on all body types.

    I like this Ed Coan video for sumo deads. Man does he have you starting close to the bar. When I do it my shins are already practically touching the bar.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDt8HwxVST0
  • DopeItUp
    DopeItUp Posts: 18,771 Member
    edited October 2016
    Some good advice in here, I would definitely take a hard look at your setup since it seems you may be sacrificing several important technique factors just to get your torso a little more vertical - which isn't necessarily the smartest thing. You'd have to post a video from the front to analyze the initial setup a little better.

    Personally, for someone that's having back pain deadlifting the first thing I'd do is remove the touch-n-go sets. Do full reset for each rep. I bet that one change alone will help.
  • Leadfoot_Lewis
    Leadfoot_Lewis Posts: 1,623 Member
    arditarose wrote: »
    OP, start closer to the bar. I know you're going for that super upright position but it just doesn't work on all body types.

    I like this Ed Coan video for sumo deads. Man does he have you starting close to the bar. When I do it my shins are already practically touching the bar.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDt8HwxVST0

    Great post-Ed Coan has some great videos on YouTube - I think I've watched all of them LOL!

    Anyway nothing really more to add. The further you get away from the barbell the more likely you are to round your back. When you're lifting weight from the floor Barbells like to move in straight lines close to your body.
  • Chieflrg
    Chieflrg Posts: 9,097 Member
    edited October 2016
    You need to get closer to the bar. From the break you are on your toes and it looks like the bar is drifting forward.

    Also I see you with little to none hip drive. Your hip should be into that bar right after floor break.

    Do you do conventionals at all?

  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    edited October 2016
    JonDrees wrote: »
    pinggolfer96 wrote: »
    JonDrees wrote: »
    Post a video of you deadlifting.
    DopeItUp wrote: »
    I too would like to see a video. I used to have similar issues with the deadlift and it turned out that my form was crap. It looked pretty decent at a glance (even on video) but a close analysis of technique quickly cured me of any problems.
    sarahkw04 wrote: »
    VIdeoing your form - like others have said - would be great so you (and we) can truly see your form.

    Also, where is the bar when you lift? Meaning, is it drifting out in front of you? I think I've finally broken it, but I had a habit of letting the bar drift out when I lifted. Basically, the closer it is to you, the less strain you're putting on your back compared to when it drifts out. I've tweaked my back a couple of times deadlifting and both times I knew when I done it what caused it - bar position.

    Here is a quick vid I got with Pretty light weight. Didn't hurt too much today, but I still felt a little discomfort

    https://youtu.be/PdvUK_NhpTk

    It's not terrible. It would be good to see you at a higher percentage of your max - like 75%+

    1. The bar is too far from your shins
    2. Your weight is on your toes
    3. The bar path is not vertical
    4. Too much knee bend

    Basically, everything is a result of a poor set up. When standing straight up, the bar should only be 2-4 inches from your shin (directly over your arches).

    That's everything I could see from that angle.

    Same thoughts...

    Also, looks like you're just trying to squat the weight up... there is no forward hip movement.
  • louvig
    louvig Posts: 15 Member
    Have you tried using the Vasalva Maneuver for deadlifts? It's a breathing technique for lifting basically tightening your abs with air and gives more support to the lower back helping it to stay straight. Also, I keep the bar as close to my shins and legs as possible on the way up and down. My back pain was gone when I started using this technique. It requires holding your breath and not everyone can do it because it can raise blood pressure and make you light headed. This page tells you all about it if you are not familiar with it: http://www.kingofthegym.com/valsalva-maneuver/ If you haven't tried it, it may be worth a try.
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