October (2016) Running Challenge
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Totally did not want to get up to run this morning. So I didn't :-p I don't remember if I mentioned I was awake half the night Saturday night with asthma? Then I had a long day taking a group of kids to a corn maze/pumpkin patch Sunday. A nap would've been nice.
So I get off work a little early today and I'm gonna try for a 3pm run but goodness, it's 81 degrees outside (and climbing) and crazy windy! This oughta be fun :-/ Our next cool front hits Thursday - hallelujah! I hope this is summer's last hoorah. I suppose I should have a little mercy on myself and skip the hills today with the 20mph wind.
@AdrianChr92 Welcome back to running. I know a week can be an eternity to a runner who's not running :-D
@mmteixeira Lovely pic! This is my favorite season (although summer won't seem to leave us here).
@RespectTheKitty Hang in there and don't give up. Just do what you can.
@KatieJane83 Sorry for your situation
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_nikkiwolf_ wrote: »Just so that you know why I couldn't resist, this is the nice trail leading up the mountain:
And this is the view from above the treeline (full panorama here):
Insanely jealous!!
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kristinegift wrote: »Ate some humble pie at my race today... I should have looked at the elevation chart with a more critical eye before I decided this was my fall goal race for the half.
@kristinegift I feel your pain - my first 10k two weeks ago was almost all hills - I did learn a great deal about what I could do though so worth it in the end - but I still wish I had scouted it first
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skippygirlsmom wrote: »@katiejane83 I'm sorry about the boyfriend, I hate that his family caused this. Can't we as parents learn to be happy for our kids. I pray that no matter who Skip brings home that I'm good enough of a person to be happy if she is happy. I think all we can ask (and want) for our children is for them to find someone who loves them, respects them and helps them to be all they can be. BTW been there done that with my EX hubby, his mom would actually try to fix him up with other people while we were married.
Thank you! Yeah, I feel like when I have children, as long as they're happy and not hurting themselves/others I'll be happy. But what can you do. I have an ex hubby too, but ending that was a very good decision on my part, lol, considering how I was treated. And I learned one of life's most important lessons from that experience - know your own worth!3 -
Coming back to this thread after the weekend is tough. So many comments I want to make, but by the time I get through everything, I forget what they were! Old age, I guess. A few that I remember noting:
@RunRachelRunnn - I agree whole heartedly with the advice that @5512bf gave you on page 34. Also want to add that determining a race pace/strategy is one of the most difficult parts of racing. At some point, you just have to trust your instincts and go by feel, as many others have said. You know what type of runner you are, so only you know what strategy is going to suit you.
@RespectTheKitty - That is one awesome friend you have there! Enjoy!
@_nikkiwolf_ and others- Fabulous photos!
@kristinegift - I understand your disappointment, but still a really solid time! Those 7:05 starts always come back to haunt you!
So, here is the quick recap of my weekend at the Columbus half marathon:
My goal for this fall was to focus on half marathon training and set a new PR. My previous PR had been set in Dayton in October of 2014 and all of my focus had turned to marathon training after that, so it had been some time since I raced a HM. I had two races on my mind, Dayton, my first ever half marathon and current PR, and Columbus, my full marathon PR and Boston Qualifier in 2015. The events fell on back to back weekends (October 9th and 16th). Since they both had their advantages and I could not decide between the two, I decided to do both. My main goal was to PR at least one of the races and my "I don't really know if I can do this" goal was to break 1:40 (previous PR was 1:43:56).
As I mentioned, last week in Dayton, despite having huge concerns going into the race, I managed to exceed my expectations and not only PR, but also achieve my pipe-dream goal of sub 1:40 by two whole seconds with a 1:39:58. Having accomplished that, I felt very satisfied and decided to head into Columbus without any expectations. I would go out and give it my best shot, but if I fell short of 1:40 I was not going to let it get me down. I have had a number of things putting a damper on my training lately and I was afraid that all of these things might come into play here.
Despite forecasts of rain for most of the week, the weather predictions took a favorable change on Friday: Sunny and 59F around start time. Temps were expected to warm into the high 70s by noon, but with a 7:30 start time, I was not concerned with that being an issue. Race day morning did not disappoint. Clear and cool with plenty of beautiful moonlight.
When I registered for the race, I was asked to give an expected finish time that would determine my corral assignment. This race is both a full and half marathon, run simultaneously, with close to 18,000 total participants. There was a wave start with five corrals, A-E. I had entered an expected finishing time of 1:40, which placed me in the A corral. The corral was very crowded, as expected, but once the race started it became very apparent that a lot of people had fudged their finishing times in order to obtain the A corral assignment (total jerk thing to do, BTW). As a result, I (and a lot of other folks) spent about the first half mile dodging slower runners and even a number of walkers! My first mile ended up being my slowest overall and 20 seconds slower than my average.
After settling into my groove with some open space around mile number 1, I tried to find my "comfortable" pace. I was trying to go somewhere between 7:30 and 7:40 and figure out how long I could hang on, which is my usual HM strategy. The course is nice (also pretty flat), there is plenty of crowd support and scenery as well as frequent aid stations. I avoided most of the aid stations since I had my 10 oz hand-held filled with Propel. I would hit them later if I needed. Miles 2-10 pace averages ranged from 7:24-7:38, but I was still unsure if I could hang on at this rate for three more miles. Around mile 10, they were handing out Gus, so I took one because I was feeling like I was starting to fade. In the end, I'm not sure that it made much difference and I slowed my pace slightly to around 7:45 for miles 11 and 12 due to fatigue. Just after the mile 12 mark and right before the HM split, I saw my husband and our friend (whose wife was running the full). I motioned to them that I was dragging and they cheered me on. I picked the pace back up slightly for the final mile, but the final 0.4 miles down the chute to the finished seemed way longer than I remembered (even from the full last year). It was a struggle to the finish, but I crossed the line and hit my Garmin: 1:40:03. It was going to be close. I would need to find the results tent to get my official results.
It took me a minute or two to recompose myself after crossing the finish line. I grabbed a bottle of water and a goody bag and headed out of the Athlete's Area to find my hubby and my official results. Both of these tasks turned out to be more difficult than expected. There was no typical results tent, only monitors displaying the race results. However, at that time, the monitors were only displaying the top three finishers in each age group so far and they were very difficult to read without my glasses. Finding my hubby was another chore because I do not carry my phone during races and with the added complication of having a friend running the full and starting in a different corral, we were happy enough to get to the starting line okay and had failed to make post-race plans. So I decided to head back out on the course where I had seen them where I figured they would still be waiting on my friend. This was another difficult task, but I finally caught up with them about 45 minutes later. They had been tracking me via the live tracking feature, so they actually knew my finishing time before I did: 1:39:57. I had beaten my previous week's time by one second! A one second PR is still a PR and I was happy to take it!
Overall, I was 11/741 in my age group (top 1.5%), 111/6367 Female (top 1.7%) and 493/10159 overall (top 5%). I was very pleased with these results for a race this size. Another little anecdote I forgot to mention: As I was beginning to fade somewhere around mile 10-11, I noticed a somewhat elderly lady come cruising by. She was kind of hobbling along, but at a pretty good pace. She was passing me, so it must have been around 7:30 pace. I did not remember passing her again, so I looked for older finishers ahead of me. The winner of the 65-70 female age group was 67 years old and finished in 1:38:01. I think that must have been her. Very inspiring, especially since I have been questioning lately whether I am still capable of making any more significant gains at my age!
Oh yeah, forgot to mention. On the subject of geeky science types: I am an analytical chemist. I like numbers and spreed sheets and stuff (e.g. the Danial's table), but I am very impatient with technology.7 -
Date Miles Total 10/01 3.1 3.1 + Strength 10/02 6.4 9.5 10/03 Rest 10/04 Strength 10/05 4.0 13.5 10/06 3.2 16.7 10/07 Strength 10/08 3.3 20.0 10/09 7.0 27.0 10/10 Rest 10/11 3.2 30.2 + Strength 10/12 Rest 10/13 5.0 35.2 10/14 Rest (Forgot to do the strength training...) 10/15 4.3 39.5 10/16 8.3 47.8 <- Total So Far
The church youth group had a lock-in Friday night and I was staying with them. I thought I would have to sacrifice my Saturday group run. But 2 of the girls had set their minds to run on Saturday morning and so, I didn't need to miss my run, yay! We took a long way to get donuts to the group and we run walk the way back.
Then, I had my long run on Sunday afternoon. My kids took their bikes. DH ran with the youngest in the first 5 miles while I ran with my own pace way behind everyone else. At one point, I was thinking "wow, this feels comfortable" but that didn't last long. DH had to leave for an event and I ran the last 3 miles trying to keep up with my 7-year-old biking. She kept talking to me and I was like "I can't hear you when you are in front of me" when I was actually thinking "this is NOT my conversational pace!" My splits pace don't seem to be different much comparing the first 5 miles and the last 3 tho. Perhaps, I just did a lot more of chasing and slowing down in those last 3 miles.
Thank you, @7lenny7, for the information and the link to that table several pages back. The spreadsheet didn't work on my Mac but I could get the data online from other sites. With my 5k race PR, I should be able to run a HM in approximately 2 hours. But I could not even break 2:20 yet. Perhaps, I still need a lot more training for my legs like you said... Or, I really should have run the race faster but didn't have the experience to run in the right effort level. Also, HRmax still confuses me: I started C25k about 2 years ago and my age based HRmax estimate was around 177 but I remember the treadmill was showing 180+. It was higher than my HRmax. I don't have a HRM now so, I don't know what kind of zone I have been running in even though I do try to keep it easy. I would very much like to get a HRM or a GPS watch with that function soon so I have an idea. I feel like perceived effort could be so deceiving.
@shanaber I also have a degree in Math/Stat field. I had 2/3 of my college credits in Math and the majority of the rest was Computer Science. Before I throw in the towel claiming that the Excel spreadsheet wouldn't work on my Mac, I did try and tweak the formulas and make it work. Mac does not interpret duration as a number. I was able make the changes so it calculated my VDOT and VO2Max. But I could not yet get the pace and decided not to waste my time any more because I can get those numbers online else where. I guess I have become less of a number geek after these years of being a stay home mom
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Ended up walking about 10 miles yesterday (in addition to a relatively intense solo 70 mile bike ride) so I postponed my longer run until this AM. Did the first 7 outside, then finished up on the treadmill as it was getting a bit too hot and sticky. Looking forward to a nice long swim this afternoon to help with the recovery.
10/1 - 5 miles (w. 5x800s @ 6:00 pace)
10/2 - 8 miles (finished at MP)
10/3 - 4 miles
10/4 - 4 miles
10/5 - 4 mile
10/8 - 3 miles
10/9 - 26.2 miles (3:04:57 - Chicago marathon)
10/13 - 4 miles
10/15 - 6 miles
10/17 - 12 miles
Total: 76 miles
Goal: 140 miles
Remaining: 64 miles
2016 Race Schedule:
Disney Marathon - Jan 6 - 3:29:09
Gasparilla 15K - Feb 20 - 1:01:59
Ironman 70.3 Florida - Apr 10 - 5:07:51
Pittsburgh Marathon - May 1 - 3:08:25
Ironman 70.3 Augusta - Sep 25 - 4:43:56
Chicago Marathon - Oct 9 - 3:04:57
Ironman Florida - Nov 5
Rock 'n Roll Las Vegas 10K - Nov 13
@virkati - Usually in bigger races through urban environments, GPS watches brutally fail. Short of a pacer route mistake (see portland/santa rosa), course setup mistake (Vancouver), it probably is 13.1 as too many folks use races like those to qualify for the Olympic trials. Chicago for me registered at 27.02 (vs. definitely 26.2) and 28.5 for another friend. Although my garmin gave me a marathon PR of 2:59 for it (vs. my actual 3:05), I'm more likely to just believe the course (as it is a world major).
@kristinegift - Sorry to hear about the 1/2, still, good to learn some lessons about pacing/etc.. in your setup races. For me, as my GPS wasn't happy in Chicago, just sticking with the 3:05 pacers seemed to do the trick early on with keeping me on track and way from early mile mistakes.
@ddmom0811 - Haven't tried the horse route near Gainsville. Have a bunch of friends who ride Clarmont every few weekends, which has some nice hills as well. My Ironman 70.3 course in Haines City had some nice rollers too.
@mobycarp - Given your outcome at Boston last year, I think you've done pretty well at the marathon distance, but definitely understand how pacing mistakes in marathons can make the races pretty miserable experiences.0 -
@kristinegift I feel you. my first half they said there were some hills, they should have said some minimountains.
and my 5k on saturday, even trail runners were humbled by the hills.0 -
@lporter229 great race report and fantastic job!!! Can you imagine your time if you weren't playing dodge with stupid people! Congrats!!!!!
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Non-running daily check in: After yesterday's intervals, I was still able to jog the hallway while my eggs cooked this morning. I didn't hurt as much as the day after the previous set of intervals, so that's progress. But it still seems prudent not to run today. PT tomorrow, and I'll see how that goes.2
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kristinegift wrote: »I'm just gonna say that all his HR, zones, vo2, etc. etc. is too much for my brain. I just have 4 modes: Conversational (most of my runs are done at this "pace"); faster for a while (marathon pace); faster so you can't talk (HM pace); so fast you might die (5k pace). No HR straps, no calculations, just "can I breathe? can I talk? ok ok!" I'm old school
@kristinegift that's a great way to run, for sure! Running doesn't have to be complicated. Shouldn't be complicated. That's one of the reasons I hesitated to post the link to the Daniel's tables. Speaking for myself, though, I love digging in to the minutia of anything I do but for most runners it's just way more that is necessary.
@MobyCarp though I feel sorry about your injury, I do enjoy reading about how you benchmark against your eggs cooking. Before you know it you'll be able to run down the hall long enough to cook eggs and bacon.
@shanaber I'm an electrical engineer and my wife has her Master's degree in Math. My kids are math geeks too. Two of the three are/were on the math team at school, my middle kid had a perfect score on the math portion of the ACT (science portion too), and my youngest is the only freshman in a class full of junior in advanced high school math. So yeah...you could say that we math at our house. I have my run data on two different spreadsheets on Google Docs, which repeats data from Garmin Connect, but I have it set up so I can easily see what I want, and easily plan ahead, whether it be for the next week or as I currently have it, my training through my April ultra.
@9voice9 ah yes...Lynyrd Skynyrd, my favorite band in my youth...I gave up a pair of free tickets to the 1987 World Series, Game 7 (in which my beloved MN Twins beat the St. Louis Cardinals, thanks for asking!) so I could go with my friends to see Lynyrd Skynyrd on their reunion tour (when Johnny first joined) in Indianapolis. At the time, that was as close as they were going to get to Minnesota. The real pisser was that we ended up getting back to Minnesota early enough that I could have made the game. The double pisser was that Skynyrd eventually did make their way to Minneapolis. I went to that concert too. I still like them quite a bit, but now lean more towards The Allman Brothers.
@RespectTheKitty that is amazing! What makes it even more cool is that this happened so soon after your other "friend" disrespected you and your running. You're awesome and people are noticing!
@RunRachelleRun I had trouble figuring out my goal pace on my first HM. The problem is, it takes running an HM to know what it feels like to run an HM, and then to know what level of effort you can sustain. I cant' recall if I was using the Daniel's table then or not. What I do know is that I went out what I thought was too fast (even though my perceived effort felt sustainable) so at about the mid-way point I took what I call a running break. I didn't walk, but i did slow down so my pace was slower...maybe a minute per mile slower...for about a half mile to let my HR drop and rest up. So I guess what I'm saying is, when you're out there, slowing the pace for a while is a viable alternative to walking to let your body rest and recover. In any event, be conservative. Not only does it leave more room for a PR on your next one, there's less chance of injury. I still haven't run a 5K all out because I'm paranoid but injury.
@katharmonic that's creepy on both counts! Love the pix though.
@kristinegift sorry your race didn't go as planned but you learned some valuable lessons that will certainly help you next time. Sounds like you're determined to do better next time and I have no doubt that you will.
@virkati awesome job on that HM!! Look at the plot of your race. Notice how jaggy the lines are? I'm sure you didn't wander about like that during the race. Your phone GPS didn't get a strong track on the satellites and the result is an erroneous distance. That's why I gave up on using my phone for tracking my runs.
@ereck44 congrats on the bloodwork! I have seen similar results and need to get back in for a new lab test.
@mmteixeira I'd love to run that path!
@mbaker566, Doubling up on the 5K's, nice! Adam was with you the entire way this time. I love that you ran with his ring.
@katiejane83, that just sucks!! WTH!! I just don't get some people (the parents). Obviously your Bf was in a tough spot, a spot his folks shouldn't have put him in. perhaps they caught a glimpse of your current MFP profile photo? (JK!) @skippygirlsmom I actually hope my kids find partners very much different than us. It will make family gatherings much more interesting!
@mom3over40 going from 5k to HM on those tables only work *IF* you get in a large base of miles so that basically your fitness level in relationship to an HM matches the fitness level you had for a 5K. Particularly for a first time a longer race distance, I would not expect to be able to meet the expected times. You're body is probably just not adapted to it yet. Daniel's table told me I could expect a 3:58 marathon. I made 4:00 my goal. I ended up with 4:09 because my quads just hadn't' been built up enough to withstand the beating. As far as HRMax, you could use one of the equations as a starting point, but I feel there is so much variability between runners that it's not a very good tool when you're trying determine a zone range within a few BPM. I use 185 because 182 is the highest reliable number I've been able to reach on my Garmin HR monitor (ignore first mile spikes, which can be crazy) so I added a few BPMs to it and declared that to be the number. One equation tells you to subtract your age from 220 to get your max. That would give me 171 but I've gone over that many times. With the tables it's really an iterative process for me. If I use the correct numbers for HRMax, then the various paces vs. HR should be correct (assuming not outlying issues such as high heat). After some tweaking, I've gotten it to work well for me.
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juliet3455 wrote: »@7lenny7 Envy that you can wear The Salomon Speed Cross trail shoes. Unfortunately I have DUCK Feet so I need a Big Toe Box and the Salomon running shoes just don't have that. I have 2 pairs of Salomon Hiking boots and they have the wide Toe Box option. Salomon has always had one of the best Tread patterns for Nasty Soft Terrain Trail shoes. On Hard Rock-Mountain Trails the lugs are a little to stiff and get ripped off/destroyed.
@juliet3455 (and a tag for @_nikkiwolf_ and @elise4270 who asked about them)Don't be so quick with the envy! I won these and had my choice of 4 different models. These seemed to be the model which would work best, however, my first run didn't go so well. A 6.3 mile trail run over hilly trails left me with a big blister on the outside of my big toe. The toe box was very snug. I'm not willing to give up on them right away. I had used my thicker trail socks, and hadn't used any "Trail Toes". After my blister is gone I'll try again with some thin, slippery socks I normally don't like, and I'll lube up Trail Toes.
The tread, on the other hand, was fantastic! The trail was a mix of loose sand, hard-pack sand, packed limestone gravel, and rocky/rooty dirt. I don't think I ever slipped.
I'm not sold on the quick lace system. I want to be able to loose the toe box portion without my heel slipping.
I'll try these again on my next trail run.@7lenny7 - Love the pictures! Kody looks SO happy! Do you have to worry about ticks when you run with him there?
@shanaber we definitely have ticks here! As a hunting dog, Kody needs a good tick repellent and I use Vectra 3D. He's 8 years old, spent a lot of time in the woods and in the fields, and I've never found a tick on him. The stuff ain't cheap though.
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Speaking of the Danielson tables. I plugged in the 15k time from my last HM and the 10k time was within seconds of what my recorded PR is. It will be interesting to see next summer how things look after I've been running for a year. The predicted marathon time really intrigued me. I don't think, even when/if I train up for one next year, that I'd be able to get the time the table says, but it was cool to see0
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@juliet3455 (and a tag for @_nikkiwolf_ and @elise4270 who asked about them)Don't be so quick with the envy! I won these and had my choice of 4 different models. These seemed to be the model which would work best, however, my first run didn't go so well. A 6.3 mile trail run over hilly trails left me with a big blister on the outside of my big toe. The toe box was very snug. I'm not willing to give up on them right away. I had used my thicker trail socks, and hadn't used any "Trail Toes". After my blister is gone I'll try again with some thin, slippery socks I normally don't like, and I'll lube up Trail Toes.
The tread, on the other hand, was fantastic! The trail was a mix of loose sand, hard-pack sand, packed limestone gravel, and rocky/rooty dirt. I don't think I ever slipped.
I'm not sold on the quick lace system. I want to be able to loose the toe box portion without my heel slipping.
I'll try these again on my next trail run.
@7lenny7 I had considered the Speed Cross 3's on sale a week or two ago on Amazon - shoe looked awesome and the tread looked great but I read the lugs on the outside are not durable and they run narrow (which you have confirmed) - I also wasn't a fan of the quick lace system - I ended up getting the Saucony Peregrine 6's which I had demoed on a 3 mile trail run and really liked - wider toe box and very aggressive treads... now I just need a chance to go out and run in them 0 -
Date :::: Miles :::: Oct total (goal 50)
10/01/16 :::: 5.8 :::: 5.8
10/02/16 :::: 2.8 :::: 8.6
10/03/16 :::: 2.2 :::: 10.8
10/04/16 :::: 3.1 :::: 13.9
10/05/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 13.9
10/06/16 :::: 2.2 :::: 16.1
10/07/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 16.1
10/08/16 :::: 1.2 :::: 17.3
10/09/16 :::: 13.1 :::: 30.4 walk Stella
10/10/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 30.4 walk Stella
10/11/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 30.4 walk Stella
10/12/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 30.4 walk Stella
10/13/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 30.4 swim 20 minutes
10/14/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 30.4 walk Stella
10/15/16 :::: 0.0 :::: 30.4 walk Stella
10/16/16 :::: 2.2 :::: 32.6 plus 5 mile walk w/ Stella!
10/17/16 :::: 1.4 :::: 33.9
Today: ugh, 20 minute run felt like I'd never run before. My legs felt terrible. Not sure I will do my group workout tomorrow night. I should probably squeeze in more yoga/stretching.
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Yeah, like <100 miles over 2 months is gonna happen with you.MNLittleFinn wrote: »...less than 100 miles to run in Nov/Dec, to make my yearly mileage goal.
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Was able to get a 5 mile run on the treadmill this evening. I swear, running is like a drug. I feel miserable when I don't get a run, and I'm always looking forward to my next run. What has happened to me?! 3
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And of course, I'm in middle Georgia, which was the stomping ground for the Allmans in the day. Eat at H&H when I can arrange it - just because it's connected. Not a HUGE fan, but I do enjoy a lot of their stuff - it's an interesting mix of an almost jazz-like harmonic and stylistic approach with the Southern Rock thang, with a good measure of the blues thrown in, just for giggles.@9voice9 ah yes...Lynyrd Skynyrd, my favorite band in my youth...I gave up a pair of free tickets to the 1987 World Series, Game 7 (in which my beloved MN Twins beat the St. Louis Cardinals, thanks for asking!) so I could go with my friends to see Lynyrd Skynyrd on their reunion tour (when Johnny first joined) in Indianapolis. At the time, that was as close as they were going to get to Minnesota. The real pisser was that we ended up getting back to Minnesota early enough that I could have made the game. The double pisser was that Skynyrd eventually did make their way to Minneapolis. I went to that concert too. I still like them quite a bit, but now lean more towards The Allman Brothers.1 -
@mmteixeira I have the 4's andmmteixeira wrote: »I ended up getting the Saucony Peregrine 6's which I had demoed on a 3 mile trail run and really liked - wider toe box and very aggressive treads... now I just need a chance to go out and run in them
them. Like you said the Wider Toe Box ( Thank You Saucony ) and aggressive treads. I Recently did a 10 km Roots and Ruts race on some Gnarly Single Track Bush Trail. Didn't matter if it was a 2 or 20 step Vertical Hill (up or down - what our club members call Sissy Hills ) or side slopes they grabbed on and hung on. Making the race a lot of fun. I may not have had a good Clock time but I had a good time playing in the trees and hills. The Race Name is very accurate with Tree roots sticking up all over the place and Ruts from Motocross Bikes and ATV's. Then the mini-swamps/mud holes that could grab a shoe and suck it off your foot - Passed two Lady runners who had lost shoes in the widest-deepest swamp - one was rebooting and the other was still searching for her one shoe. Like a true runner they were both laughing about the adventure. Anyone who has ever lost a boot in spring gumbo mud knows what this is like. Seen them at the finish line and nominated them for Dirtiest Mudder award - they deferred to the kids who were doing 3/5km.
Had a really nice slow Riverbank Run tonight 11 km 69 mins, 3C=38F just a beautiful evening for a run.
No major discomfort from my right calf. Definitely looks like my assessment of the one pair of shoes causing the trouble was right. My favorite Shoe store is joining up with some social agencies and doing a Shoes for Peru so most of my retired shoes will be dropped in the collection. As one lady said - An old pair of shoes that we consider to be worn out is better than sandals made from an old car tire and a piece of rope. Going to throw in a few soccer balls ( football for Europeans ) and hand pumps.
October Running 140km Goal 160km Stretch
10/01 – 0.0 km – 0.0 - 140 km – YTD 954.5 km
10/01 – 6.0 km – 6.0 - 134 km
10/02 – 1.0 km – 7.0 - 133 km
10/04 – 2.0 km – 9.0 - 131 km
10/06 – 2.0 km – 11.0 - 129 km
10/08 – 6.0 km – 17.0 - 123 km
10/11 – 10.0 km – 27.0 - 113 km
10/12 – 10.0 km – 37.0 - 103 km
10/13 – 5.0 km – 42.0 - 98 km
10/14 – 6.0 km – 48.0 - 92 km
10/15 – 8.0 km – 56.0 - 84 km
10/15 – 11.0 km – 67.0 - 73 km – YTD 1021.5 km Mizuno Inspire Riverbank 69 mins
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Yeah, like <100 miles over 2 months is gonna happen with you.MNLittleFinn wrote: »...less than 100 miles to run in Nov/Dec, to make my yearly mileage goal.
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RespectTheKitty wrote: »Was able to get a 5 mile run on the treadmill this evening. I swear, running is like a drug. I feel miserable when I don't get a run, and I'm always looking forward to my next run. What has happened to me?!
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@mom3over40 - I know you can get excel for Mac - my daughter uses it quite extensively. I also have the free Excel on my ipad but while curious I have not yet had a chance to try the Daniels spreadsheets with it. I have my doubts that the macros and scripting will actually work. I suspect the numbers geek in you is still there and will make an appearance with your kids. My daughter still teases us (my husband is one too) about having geeks for parents :laugh:mom3over40 wrote: »@shanaber I also have a degree in Math/Stat field. I had 2/3 of my college credits in Math and the majority of the rest was Computer Science. Before I throw in the towel claiming that the Excel spreadsheet wouldn't work on my Mac, I did try and tweak the formulas and make it work. Mac does not interpret duration as a number. I was able make the changes so it calculated my VDOT and VO2Max. But I could not yet get the pace and decided not to waste my time any more because I can get those numbers online else where. I guess I have become less of a number geek after these years of being a stay home mom
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1---3.17 walk/run ish
2---2.7 walk
3---travel day, Dallas PT
4---4.7 walk
5---rest
6---4.04 walk
7---0.6 walk
8---rest
9---state fair walk, 1+ miles
10---3.36
11---pt appointment
12---sore/rest
13---35 minutes bike trainer/2.45 TM walk/few weights
14---4.4 walk
15---4.8 walk
16---2 poké walk
17---2.1 Robbers Cave hike. http://www.travelok.com/listings/view.profile/id.6415?CMP=PPC_G_SP123_RobbersCaveStatePark&gclid=Cj0KEQjwj7q6BRDcxfG4pNTQ2NoBEiQAzUpuW2-_ubXgRJIWqQp62L0OvdsHTDSII--On_mCJgMB8CkaAn9Y8P8HAQ
35.22/50+ walking miles goal
Not Advisable races:
11/05/16 Jenks Half 5k Jenks OK (registered)
12/11/16 BMW Dallas Marathon, Half (registered)
Run the year 2016 898.42/ 2016 (registered) DNF
Advisable races:
March 19th 2017 RNR Half Dallas, TX
March 26th 2017 A2A 5k Ardmore, OK
April 30th 2017 OKC Memorial Marathon, Half1 -
@Elise4270 I lived in Wilburton a short while as a child and have been to Robbers Cave! I'd love to go again as it's not far from where I live now but my husband is so not into hiking. Sigh. That's one of my favorite childhood memories though 0
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October goal...run to earn wine and ice cream
10/1: core/strength training, 2 mile run and 20 minutes of fancy footwork trying to herd the neighbor's stray cow out of our yard
10/2 rest
10/3 slug...never got out of my nightgown and played computer games (it was FABULOUS!)
10/4 4.10
10/5 3.11
10/6 core/strength training
10/7 rest
10/8 3.25
10/9 6.48
10/10 3.18
10/11 Snorkel 3 hours
10/12 4.28
10/13 core/strength and 2.41
10/14 rest
10/15 4.50
10/16 core/strength and 2.07
10/17 3.22 Today is my son's birthday.....7 months ago we weren't sure he would see this one...Halleluia!
Total 35.38
Upcoming races:
Las Vegas RocknRoll Half 11/13/16
Ticker is my goal for 2016 and accumulation to date:
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I love seeing that so many of us have math or math related backgrounds - wow. We really are a bunch of running, numbers geeks! Fascinating!!
I have been reading through on all the posts and see lots of great races and runs getting done!
@kristinegift - I'm sorry the HM didn't work out the way you wanted but it seems like you learned a lot from it that you can put to good use!
@skippygirlsmom - I am so sorry that Skip is having a rough time this season... It has been a rough fall for both of you and you have been through a lot! I bet she had a wonderful time at the Prom - doesn't seem like she could be old enough to going to one yet!
@mmteixeira - love the scenery that you have to run through! So beautiful!!
@Virkati - I had a similar issue with MMR when I ran the SF Marathon 2nd Half. It was off starting with the 1st or 2nd mile - said I was running VERY fast so I slowed down and the race was a pacing mess for me from that point on. I think the next race I am going to turn the notifications off and just use the pace on my watch. It isn't accurate either but much closer than MMR.
@mbaker566 - I can't believe you ran 2 5ks in one weekend but it does look like they were so much fun and you got great bling! It is a great idea to wear your husbands ring with you so you can keep him close! You know he would be so very proud of you! I also love your pup keeping you from getting up and going anywhere!
@lporter229 - I hate when people move up in corrals just so they can start earlier or be right at the front! I am surprised that there wasn't a meet up tent at the finish line. In SF they had one and it made it much easier to find people after the race. Great job on the PR (1 second PR IS still a PR!) and great race report.
@HonuNui - Happy Birthday to your son! This is definitely a sweet one to celebrate! I am hoping that he is continuing to do well and see improvements.
I had a bit of good news from the sports chiro today - my Achilles is doing well and he may allow me to 'try' a very small amount of running in a week or two. I have another treatment on Friday and go back next week for the analysis to see if my orthotics need to be updated. I am continuing with my walking and the stretches and exercises he gave me.
I also got notice that the USA Invitation HM in November has been canceled due to permit issues- WHAT?!?! Honestly I was shocked! One of the race organizers is Merhawi Keflezighi (Meb's brother)! and they had so much press and excitement about it last year. The good news though is I was prepared to not be able to run it and now I will get my money back! I hope they are able to work things out and can have it next year... and that I can qualify again.
I slipped in the mud tonight at agility class (we actually had rain today!) and came down oddly on my other leg pulling something behind my knee. I have been icing it but it still feels like it is tightening up. Does anyone know of any good stretches for that part of your leg?
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01 October – 10.6 km including parkrun
03 October – 12.4 km
04 October – 10 km
05 October – 10.2 km
06 October – 10 km
08 October – 10.5 km including parkrun
09 October – 13.6 km first try at trail running
10 October – 10.9 km
11 October – 10 km
12 October – 6.7 km
13 October – 9.3 km
15 October – 10 km
16 October – 13 km in the rain
18 October – 10.2 km
Goal: 160 km (100 miles) Awesome Virtual Events October Challenge
Total: 147.4 km
Events:
October 23 – The Bloody Long Walk 35 km
November 6 – Vitality 10 km or HM
@lporter229 Awesome HMs!! You've still got it, baby!!
I got a B for maths in the final year of school. Didn't study it in university. 30 years later, I've been working in a Financial Planning office for 6 years.
I have a love/fear relationship with maths. I love exploring all the running apps and data, but there's always so much more to learn! And you guys are teaching me a lot.0 -
10/01 6.5 miles
10/07 3.2 miles
10/10 13.1 miles Half marathon PB!!
10/17 3.2 miles easy/recovery run
First run back after the half, knee still not a 100% but I've got bored of waiting for it, not any worse after the run so keeping it at easy 5ks for now and see how that goes.
@7lenny7 thank you for the spreadsheet having fun looking at all the stats, definitely agree about the difference between 10k and half marathon base building as I'm still working on my base my half marathon time doesn't match the prediction for my 10k yet but I'm working on that over the winter.
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Not running until later today, but I have to tell you about the massage I got last night because it was amazing and painful and great.
The place I go to, I don't have a regular massage therapist; I just get who is free. Last night I got a therapist I'd never worked with before. I told her I'd run a race the day before and that I'd prefer for her to focus more on my legs than my back/arms/etc. And boy, did she ever! She spent about 20-25 minutes of this 50 minute massage (last time I went in I got a full body and legs were maybe 8-10 minutes total) getting REALLY DEEP into my legs. She was using her forearm and elbow to dig deep into the knots in my hamstrings and calves, she pushed hard into my IT bands despite my pain giggles. When she found a knot, she would press and rub on it despite the pain until she was sure it was gone. I don't know where she did her training, but she went all the way up connecting muscle groups -- IT band into glute, hamstring into glute, calf down to heel -- instead of just massaging the bulky muscles. And she dug knots out of my shoulders I'd never known were there. It was so, so painful but I feel so good today. She complimented me on being able to take such a hard massage; she told me that she only massages men that hard and sometimes they tell her to tone it down! She also was really astute. She could feel how hard my muscles were and told me to drink more water because I was dehydrated (ding ding ding!). I will definitely be coming back to her after the Philly Marathon (though perhaps a couple days removed so I'm not so tender)!
My right hamstring IS still a little tender though (less so after a hot shower) so I will not be doing any speed work until Sunday for sure. Lots of easy, slower miles through the week since I have a big mileage weekend coming up. But I'm so glad I booked that massage for yesterday and was by chance assigned an excellent massage therapist who actually knows what "firm" means and didn't baby me just because I was a woman.3 -
I need a bit of advice - Having only been running for 10 months now I'm sure my form could use some improvement but the wear pattern on my running sneakers has me confused a bit. I rotate 4 pairs of shoes and a couple of them are starting to show significant wear on the outside heels. The blue image is my New Balance m880v6's - with about 60 miles on them. The other image is my Hoka One One Clifton 3's with about 50 miles on them. The wear on the outside heels seems a bit extreme for a simple heel striker with less that 60 miles on them - one would think I drag my feet with that much wear on the heel but I don't believe I do. I will note that I have not experienced any real soreness or pain in the last 10 months going from the couch to 8 miles - I would have thought if there was something in my form I would have felt it.
Any thoughts on why my shoes might be wearing out on the heels that quickly?
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