Apple cider vinegar
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I use ACV to cook Black Beans. It is very tasty.
No impact on weight loss whatsoever1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »It doesn't have any magical properties that help with weight loss...it is tasty in many BBQ recipes and I like using it in some of the dressings I make.
It does help with a charlie horse though...
Do you apply acv directly on the skin, like a salve? I get Charlie-horses frequently.
Applying ACV directly to the skin does get rid of skin barnacles. I've done it two ways 1. put it on a piece of a cotton ball and used a band aid to get it to stick and 2. made a paste with bentonite clay powder.
I used to get Charley horses but no longer do - I think for me the cause was a vitamin deficiency that I have since corrected. My SO used to get them a lot but no more after upping his water consumption after passing kidney stones.
http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/muscle-spasms-cramps-charley-horse
I thought you were joking when you used the term "skin barnacles". What a horrifying thought!
Then Iooked up what they were. TIL I have skin barnacles. 0 -
jhassell67 wrote: »It stops heartburn, My husband swears by it just for that.
Funny . . . it caused heartburn for me.
Me too.
Some people don't have enough stomach acid, that's where ACV can help. That's not my issue either unfortunately.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »It doesn't have any magical properties that help with weight loss...it is tasty in many BBQ recipes and I like using it in some of the dressings I make.
It does help with a charlie horse though...
Do you apply acv directly on the skin, like a salve? I get Charlie-horses frequently.
Applying ACV directly to the skin does get rid of skin barnacles. I've done it two ways 1. put it on a piece of a cotton ball and used a band aid to get it to stick and 2. made a paste with bentonite clay powder.
I used to get Charley horses but no longer do - I think for me the cause was a vitamin deficiency that I have since corrected. My SO used to get them a lot but no more after upping his water consumption after passing kidney stones.
http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/muscle-spasms-cramps-charley-horse
Oh wow, my mom has these on her legs and the doctor told her it was seborrheic keratosis. She hates them. I'm going to tell her about this and see if it helps her. Can't hurt to try!0 -
Love it when I'm making German Potato salad.
It may have some effect of total cholesterol (http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37229792), but it isn't magic.
If you start trying to tell people that it somehow "alkalizes" your body, you'll get laughed out of the joint, though. Because the body doesn't work that way.1 -
I mix some ACV with carbonated water, lime juice, and zero calorie liquid sweetener for a pretty good alternative to Mountain Dew. I used to chug that stuff like it was going out of style. Now I have this every now and then and it tastes just as good to me.0
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Great for pickling. Pickles taste 10 times better when pickled with ACV3
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CorneliusPhoton wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »It doesn't have any magical properties that help with weight loss...it is tasty in many BBQ recipes and I like using it in some of the dressings I make.
It does help with a charlie horse though...
Do you apply acv directly on the skin, like a salve? I get Charlie-horses frequently.
Applying ACV directly to the skin does get rid of skin barnacles. I've done it two ways 1. put it on a piece of a cotton ball and used a band aid to get it to stick and 2. made a paste with bentonite clay powder.
I used to get Charley horses but no longer do - I think for me the cause was a vitamin deficiency that I have since corrected. My SO used to get them a lot but no more after upping his water consumption after passing kidney stones.
http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/muscle-spasms-cramps-charley-horse
I thought you were joking when you used the term "skin barnacles". What a horrifying thought! Then Iooked up what they were. TIL I have skin barnacles.
Do NOT -- I repeat -- do NOT use Google Images to search for "skin barnacles". <shiver> Needs a trigger warning.1 -
Dammit How could I resist! You said DON'T which everyone knows is a challenge to do it!0
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paperpudding wrote: »I dilute 2 tablespoons in a couple cups of water every morning. I use the organic, unfiltered stuff "with the Mother."
Yes, calorie deficit is how we burn calories, we all know that. However, different foods have different nutrients that the body uses in different ways. Right? I've read a few things from a few sources and decided to try it. That, along with the diet I've chosen to follow, helped me lose 25lbs in a couple of months. I'm not doing it for just weight loss though, I believe it can benefit those with diabetes and/or high cholesterol. I have both. So I'll continue using it.
I believe you could incorporate it in other foods like salad dressings, for example, and still reap the benefits. Just make sure it's diluted because straight up it can damage your throat and stomach.
My bold.
Insert 'or any other placebo' into the bolded sentence
The 'diet I decided to follow' being the crucial part,not the placebo
I can take a little round pill and my blood pressure goes down.
I can take a little oval pill and my (bad) cholesterol goes down.
I can take another little oval pill and my diabetes becomes under control.
BUT...
Food and their nutrients can have no effects on how the body functions. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, I will continue - happily - with my "placebo."
And there's no difference between medications which have been scientifically developed/tested for efficacy and home remedies for which the only "testimony" is woo on the internet?
Ok then.6 -
paperpudding wrote: »I dilute 2 tablespoons in a couple cups of water every morning. I use the organic, unfiltered stuff "with the Mother."
Yes, calorie deficit is how we burn calories, we all know that. However, different foods have different nutrients that the body uses in different ways. Right? I've read a few things from a few sources and decided to try it. That, along with the diet I've chosen to follow, helped me lose 25lbs in a couple of months. I'm not doing it for just weight loss though, I believe it can benefit those with diabetes and/or high cholesterol. I have both. So I'll continue using it.
I believe you could incorporate it in other foods like salad dressings, for example, and still reap the benefits. Just make sure it's diluted because straight up it can damage your throat and stomach.
My bold.
Insert 'or any other placebo' into the bolded sentence
The 'diet I decided to follow' being the crucial part,not the placebo
I can take a little round pill and my blood pressure goes down.
I can take a little oval pill and my (bad) cholesterol goes down.
I can take another little oval pill and my diabetes becomes under control.
BUT...
Food and their nutrients can have no effects on how the body functions. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, I will continue - happily - with my "placebo."
And that's why doctors prescribe you chew on some root for healing your medical conditions instead of giving you medicine, right? Right.2 -
paperpudding wrote: »I dilute 2 tablespoons in a couple cups of water every morning. I use the organic, unfiltered stuff "with the Mother."
Yes, calorie deficit is how we burn calories, we all know that. However, different foods have different nutrients that the body uses in different ways. Right? I've read a few things from a few sources and decided to try it. That, along with the diet I've chosen to follow, helped me lose 25lbs in a couple of months. I'm not doing it for just weight loss though, I believe it can benefit those with diabetes and/or high cholesterol. I have both. So I'll continue using it.
I believe you could incorporate it in other foods like salad dressings, for example, and still reap the benefits. Just make sure it's diluted because straight up it can damage your throat and stomach.
My bold.
Insert 'or any other placebo' into the bolded sentence
The 'diet I decided to follow' being the crucial part,not the placebo
I can take a little round pill and my blood pressure goes down.
I can take a little oval pill and my (bad) cholesterol goes down.
I can take another little oval pill and my diabetes becomes under control.
BUT...
Food and their nutrients can have no effects on how the body functions. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, I will continue - happily - with my "placebo."
And there's no difference between medications which have been scientifically developed/tested for efficacy and home remedies for which the only "testimony" is woo on the internet?
Ok then.
LOL! Ok then.
The FACT is that some people can control those problems with PROPER DIET. Want to call PROPER DIET a "home remedy?
Ok then.1 -
stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I dilute 2 tablespoons in a couple cups of water every morning. I use the organic, unfiltered stuff "with the Mother."
Yes, calorie deficit is how we burn calories, we all know that. However, different foods have different nutrients that the body uses in different ways. Right? I've read a few things from a few sources and decided to try it. That, along with the diet I've chosen to follow, helped me lose 25lbs in a couple of months. I'm not doing it for just weight loss though, I believe it can benefit those with diabetes and/or high cholesterol. I have both. So I'll continue using it.
I believe you could incorporate it in other foods like salad dressings, for example, and still reap the benefits. Just make sure it's diluted because straight up it can damage your throat and stomach.
My bold.
Insert 'or any other placebo' into the bolded sentence
The 'diet I decided to follow' being the crucial part,not the placebo
I can take a little round pill and my blood pressure goes down.
I can take a little oval pill and my (bad) cholesterol goes down.
I can take another little oval pill and my diabetes becomes under control.
BUT...
Food and their nutrients can have no effects on how the body functions. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, I will continue - happily - with my "placebo."
And that's why doctors prescribe you chew on some root for healing your medical conditions instead of giving you medicine, right? Right.
Right. They actually do. I'll repeat, some doctors recommend PROPER DIET to at least try before starting on prescription meds. I know that was an attempt at a smart-alec remark but they do. I'm lucky in that I can control my cholesterol and diabetes with PROPER DIET. If it takes chewing on some root I'll do it.
Carry on.1 -
stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I dilute 2 tablespoons in a couple cups of water every morning. I use the organic, unfiltered stuff "with the Mother."
Yes, calorie deficit is how we burn calories, we all know that. However, different foods have different nutrients that the body uses in different ways. Right? I've read a few things from a few sources and decided to try it. That, along with the diet I've chosen to follow, helped me lose 25lbs in a couple of months. I'm not doing it for just weight loss though, I believe it can benefit those with diabetes and/or high cholesterol. I have both. So I'll continue using it.
I believe you could incorporate it in other foods like salad dressings, for example, and still reap the benefits. Just make sure it's diluted because straight up it can damage your throat and stomach.
My bold.
Insert 'or any other placebo' into the bolded sentence
The 'diet I decided to follow' being the crucial part,not the placebo
I can take a little round pill and my blood pressure goes down.
I can take a little oval pill and my (bad) cholesterol goes down.
I can take another little oval pill and my diabetes becomes under control.
BUT...
Food and their nutrients can have no effects on how the body functions. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, I will continue - happily - with my "placebo."
And that's why doctors prescribe you chew on some root for healing your medical conditions instead of giving you medicine, right? Right.
Right. They actually do. I'll repeat, some doctors recommend PROPER DIET to at least try before starting on prescription meds. I know that was an attempt at a smart-alec remark but they do. I'm lucky in that I can control my cholesterol and diabetes with PROPER DIET. If it takes chewing on some root I'll do it.
Carry on.
Acetic acid...now part of a balanced diet5 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I dilute 2 tablespoons in a couple cups of water every morning. I use the organic, unfiltered stuff "with the Mother."
Yes, calorie deficit is how we burn calories, we all know that. However, different foods have different nutrients that the body uses in different ways. Right? I've read a few things from a few sources and decided to try it. That, along with the diet I've chosen to follow, helped me lose 25lbs in a couple of months. I'm not doing it for just weight loss though, I believe it can benefit those with diabetes and/or high cholesterol. I have both. So I'll continue using it.
I believe you could incorporate it in other foods like salad dressings, for example, and still reap the benefits. Just make sure it's diluted because straight up it can damage your throat and stomach.
My bold.
Insert 'or any other placebo' into the bolded sentence
The 'diet I decided to follow' being the crucial part,not the placebo
I can take a little round pill and my blood pressure goes down.
I can take a little oval pill and my (bad) cholesterol goes down.
I can take another little oval pill and my diabetes becomes under control.
BUT...
Food and their nutrients can have no effects on how the body functions. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, I will continue - happily - with my "placebo."
And that's why doctors prescribe you chew on some root for healing your medical conditions instead of giving you medicine, right? Right.
Right. They actually do. I'll repeat, some doctors recommend PROPER DIET to at least try before starting on prescription meds. I know that was an attempt at a smart-alec remark but they do. I'm lucky in that I can control my cholesterol and diabetes with PROPER DIET. If it takes chewing on some root I'll do it.
Carry on.
Acetic acid...now part of a balanced diet
Another "awesome" smart-alek response.
Statins (calcium), metformin, angiotensin-converting-enzyme inhibitors, L-ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), cobalamin (Vitamin D).... Acetic acid. Why not?1 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I dilute 2 tablespoons in a couple cups of water every morning. I use the organic, unfiltered stuff "with the Mother."
Yes, calorie deficit is how we burn calories, we all know that. However, different foods have different nutrients that the body uses in different ways. Right? I've read a few things from a few sources and decided to try it. That, along with the diet I've chosen to follow, helped me lose 25lbs in a couple of months. I'm not doing it for just weight loss though, I believe it can benefit those with diabetes and/or high cholesterol. I have both. So I'll continue using it.
I believe you could incorporate it in other foods like salad dressings, for example, and still reap the benefits. Just make sure it's diluted because straight up it can damage your throat and stomach.
My bold.
Insert 'or any other placebo' into the bolded sentence
The 'diet I decided to follow' being the crucial part,not the placebo
I can take a little round pill and my blood pressure goes down.
I can take a little oval pill and my (bad) cholesterol goes down.
I can take another little oval pill and my diabetes becomes under control.
BUT...
Food and their nutrients can have no effects on how the body functions. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, I will continue - happily - with my "placebo."
And that's why doctors prescribe you chew on some root for healing your medical conditions instead of giving you medicine, right? Right.
Right. They actually do. I'll repeat, some doctors recommend PROPER DIET to at least try before starting on prescription meds. I know that was an attempt at a smart-alec remark but they do. I'm lucky in that I can control my cholesterol and diabetes with PROPER DIET. If it takes chewing on some root I'll do it.
Carry on.
Acetic acid...now part of a balanced diet
Another "awesome" smart-alek response.
Statins (calcium), metformin, angiotensin-converting-enzyme inhibitors, L-ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), cobalamin (Vitamin D).... Acetic acid. Why not?
Well...because acetic acid isn't a vitamin, we know that.
This is vitamin C, L-ascorbic acid:
It acts as an enzymatic cofactor that is essential and cannot be anabolicaly formed by our biochemistry. We require it for our metabolic function but cannot make it ourselves from other products so therefore we need to injest it directly....hence why it is a vitamin.
This is acetic acid,
It is not a cofactor in any enzymatic reactions, it is not essential and even if we did need it it can be biochemically produced by our bodies through various other catabolic and anabolic processes as it is central to the general metabolism of fats that occur in our own bodies.
So yeah, we know it isn't essential and its not a vitamin...its a metabolic byproduct that is excreted as waste and is generated in higher concentrations by bacteria which is why you get it in high concentrations in some fermentations with bacteria (ie how we produce vinegar.
That is why not.
There is no benefit from injesting acetic acid other than that it has a nice tangy acidic bite to it that some people enjoy tasting along with their salad.
Also, secondarily, if it was ascetic acid itself that is providing some benefit then ANY vinegar would provide that benefit and we wouldn't have to select out "apple cider vinegar" as being special in some way. If it is ACV that has the benefit and not other forms of vinegar then clearly acetic acid is not the active ingredient that causes whatever said beneficial effect is since that is shared in common with all vinegar.9 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I dilute 2 tablespoons in a couple cups of water every morning. I use the organic, unfiltered stuff "with the Mother."
Yes, calorie deficit is how we burn calories, we all know that. However, different foods have different nutrients that the body uses in different ways. Right? I've read a few things from a few sources and decided to try it. That, along with the diet I've chosen to follow, helped me lose 25lbs in a couple of months. I'm not doing it for just weight loss though, I believe it can benefit those with diabetes and/or high cholesterol. I have both. So I'll continue using it.
I believe you could incorporate it in other foods like salad dressings, for example, and still reap the benefits. Just make sure it's diluted because straight up it can damage your throat and stomach.
My bold.
Insert 'or any other placebo' into the bolded sentence
The 'diet I decided to follow' being the crucial part,not the placebo
I can take a little round pill and my blood pressure goes down.
I can take a little oval pill and my (bad) cholesterol goes down.
I can take another little oval pill and my diabetes becomes under control.
BUT...
Food and their nutrients can have no effects on how the body functions. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, I will continue - happily - with my "placebo."
And that's why doctors prescribe you chew on some root for healing your medical conditions instead of giving you medicine, right? Right.
Right. They actually do. I'll repeat, some doctors recommend PROPER DIET to at least try before starting on prescription meds. I know that was an attempt at a smart-alec remark but they do. I'm lucky in that I can control my cholesterol and diabetes with PROPER DIET. If it takes chewing on some root I'll do it.
Carry on.
Acetic acid...now part of a balanced diet
Another "awesome" smart-alek response.
Statins (calcium), metformin, angiotensin-converting-enzyme inhibitors, L-ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), cobalamin (Vitamin D).... Acetic acid. Why not?
Maybe because there's nothing more than woo to back its efficacy?
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".3 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I dilute 2 tablespoons in a couple cups of water every morning. I use the organic, unfiltered stuff "with the Mother."
Yes, calorie deficit is how we burn calories, we all know that. However, different foods have different nutrients that the body uses in different ways. Right? I've read a few things from a few sources and decided to try it. That, along with the diet I've chosen to follow, helped me lose 25lbs in a couple of months. I'm not doing it for just weight loss though, I believe it can benefit those with diabetes and/or high cholesterol. I have both. So I'll continue using it.
I believe you could incorporate it in other foods like salad dressings, for example, and still reap the benefits. Just make sure it's diluted because straight up it can damage your throat and stomach.
My bold.
Insert 'or any other placebo' into the bolded sentence
The 'diet I decided to follow' being the crucial part,not the placebo
I can take a little round pill and my blood pressure goes down.
I can take a little oval pill and my (bad) cholesterol goes down.
I can take another little oval pill and my diabetes becomes under control.
BUT...
Food and their nutrients can have no effects on how the body functions. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, I will continue - happily - with my "placebo."
And that's why doctors prescribe you chew on some root for healing your medical conditions instead of giving you medicine, right? Right.
Right. They actually do. I'll repeat, some doctors recommend PROPER DIET to at least try before starting on prescription meds. I know that was an attempt at a smart-alec remark but they do. I'm lucky in that I can control my cholesterol and diabetes with PROPER DIET. If it takes chewing on some root I'll do it.
Carry on.
Acetic acid...now part of a balanced diet
Another "awesome" smart-alek response.
Statins (calcium), metformin, angiotensin-converting-enzyme inhibitors, L-ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), cobalamin (Vitamin D).... Acetic acid. Why not?
Well...because acetic acid isn't a vitamin, we know that.
Are Lipitor, Glucophage and lisinopril vitamins?0 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I dilute 2 tablespoons in a couple cups of water every morning. I use the organic, unfiltered stuff "with the Mother."
Yes, calorie deficit is how we burn calories, we all know that. However, different foods have different nutrients that the body uses in different ways. Right? I've read a few things from a few sources and decided to try it. That, along with the diet I've chosen to follow, helped me lose 25lbs in a couple of months. I'm not doing it for just weight loss though, I believe it can benefit those with diabetes and/or high cholesterol. I have both. So I'll continue using it.
I believe you could incorporate it in other foods like salad dressings, for example, and still reap the benefits. Just make sure it's diluted because straight up it can damage your throat and stomach.
My bold.
Insert 'or any other placebo' into the bolded sentence
The 'diet I decided to follow' being the crucial part,not the placebo
I can take a little round pill and my blood pressure goes down.
I can take a little oval pill and my (bad) cholesterol goes down.
I can take another little oval pill and my diabetes becomes under control.
BUT...
Food and their nutrients can have no effects on how the body functions. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, I will continue - happily - with my "placebo."
And that's why doctors prescribe you chew on some root for healing your medical conditions instead of giving you medicine, right? Right.
Right. They actually do. I'll repeat, some doctors recommend PROPER DIET to at least try before starting on prescription meds. I know that was an attempt at a smart-alec remark but they do. I'm lucky in that I can control my cholesterol and diabetes with PROPER DIET. If it takes chewing on some root I'll do it.
Carry on.
Acetic acid...now part of a balanced diet
Another "awesome" smart-alek response.
Statins (calcium), metformin, angiotensin-converting-enzyme inhibitors, L-ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), cobalamin (Vitamin D).... Acetic acid. Why not?
Well...because acetic acid isn't a vitamin, we know that.
Are Lipitor, Glucophage and lisinopril vitamins?
No...are they "part of a PROPER DIET" as you put it?2 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I dilute 2 tablespoons in a couple cups of water every morning. I use the organic, unfiltered stuff "with the Mother."
Yes, calorie deficit is how we burn calories, we all know that. However, different foods have different nutrients that the body uses in different ways. Right? I've read a few things from a few sources and decided to try it. That, along with the diet I've chosen to follow, helped me lose 25lbs in a couple of months. I'm not doing it for just weight loss though, I believe it can benefit those with diabetes and/or high cholesterol. I have both. So I'll continue using it.
I believe you could incorporate it in other foods like salad dressings, for example, and still reap the benefits. Just make sure it's diluted because straight up it can damage your throat and stomach.
My bold.
Insert 'or any other placebo' into the bolded sentence
The 'diet I decided to follow' being the crucial part,not the placebo
I can take a little round pill and my blood pressure goes down.
I can take a little oval pill and my (bad) cholesterol goes down.
I can take another little oval pill and my diabetes becomes under control.
BUT...
Food and their nutrients can have no effects on how the body functions. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, I will continue - happily - with my "placebo."
And that's why doctors prescribe you chew on some root for healing your medical conditions instead of giving you medicine, right? Right.
Right. They actually do. I'll repeat, some doctors recommend PROPER DIET to at least try before starting on prescription meds. I know that was an attempt at a smart-alec remark but they do. I'm lucky in that I can control my cholesterol and diabetes with PROPER DIET. If it takes chewing on some root I'll do it.
Carry on.
Acetic acid...now part of a balanced diet
Another "awesome" smart-alek response.
Statins (calcium), metformin, angiotensin-converting-enzyme inhibitors, L-ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), cobalamin (Vitamin D).... Acetic acid. Why not?
Well...because acetic acid isn't a vitamin, we know that.
Are Lipitor, Glucophage and lisinopril vitamins?
No...are they "part of a PROPER DIET" as you put it?
No such thing as a conversation here... just a smart-*kitten* remarks by a few who act like they know it all and can copy/paste from Wikipedia. Instead of discussing the topic as a whole, just take bits and parts, ignoring entire context and apply the snark. LOL!!
"The smug is strong with this one!"
I couldn't care less about playing your little game. The OP can read through this and make her own decision.3 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I dilute 2 tablespoons in a couple cups of water every morning. I use the organic, unfiltered stuff "with the Mother."
Yes, calorie deficit is how we burn calories, we all know that. However, different foods have different nutrients that the body uses in different ways. Right? I've read a few things from a few sources and decided to try it. That, along with the diet I've chosen to follow, helped me lose 25lbs in a couple of months. I'm not doing it for just weight loss though, I believe it can benefit those with diabetes and/or high cholesterol. I have both. So I'll continue using it.
I believe you could incorporate it in other foods like salad dressings, for example, and still reap the benefits. Just make sure it's diluted because straight up it can damage your throat and stomach.
My bold.
Insert 'or any other placebo' into the bolded sentence
The 'diet I decided to follow' being the crucial part,not the placebo
I can take a little round pill and my blood pressure goes down.
I can take a little oval pill and my (bad) cholesterol goes down.
I can take another little oval pill and my diabetes becomes under control.
BUT...
Food and their nutrients can have no effects on how the body functions. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, I will continue - happily - with my "placebo."
And that's why doctors prescribe you chew on some root for healing your medical conditions instead of giving you medicine, right? Right.
Right. They actually do. I'll repeat, some doctors recommend PROPER DIET to at least try before starting on prescription meds. I know that was an attempt at a smart-alec remark but they do. I'm lucky in that I can control my cholesterol and diabetes with PROPER DIET. If it takes chewing on some root I'll do it.
Carry on.
Acetic acid...now part of a balanced diet
Another "awesome" smart-alek response.
Statins (calcium), metformin, angiotensin-converting-enzyme inhibitors, L-ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), cobalamin (Vitamin D).... Acetic acid. Why not?
Well...because acetic acid isn't a vitamin, we know that.
Are Lipitor, Glucophage and lisinopril vitamins?
No...are they "part of a PROPER DIET" as you put it?
No such thing as a conversation here... just a smart-*kitten* remarks by a few who act like they know it all and can copy/paste from Wikipedia. Instead of discussing the topic as a whole, just take bits and parts, ignoring entire context and apply the snark. LOL!!
"The smug is strong with this one!"
I couldn't care less about playing your little game. The OP can read through this and make her own decision.
I'm actually a molecular biologist, none of that was copy pasted (well, obviously I grabbed images of the molecules sorry I didn't painstakingly hand draw those for you).
Talking about "how do we know" that something like this isn't somehow "part of a proper diet" is just silly man. I get your point that people can make to many assumptions but there actually are some things we know about our biochemistry and acetic acid isn't a nutrient. It just isn't.
I assume your point about lipitor and what not was that molecules that aren't vitamins can have an affect on your body and that is certainly true, however your original point is that proper diet could have an affect on your body and you were wrapping vinegar into that like it was part of a proper diet thus implying that somehow acetic acid was a nutrient. Its not, that is just factual so I was pointing out that that was wrong. I was responding to that claim and that claim alone.
Acetic acid, vinegar, is not part of a "proper diet"...it just isn't. Nothing smart-alek about that and I have no idea what you mean by calling it a game. You made a claim, I called B.S. on what you said....thats it. Either back it up or don't, your call.14 -
I just happened to buy some apple cider vinegar for the first time ever today. Not for anything dietary though, I have a bunch of fruit flies now, and I read online that apple cider vinegar + piece of fruit + dish washing liquid would work wonders. After a couple of hours so far, it seems to be working pretty well.4
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I dilute 2 tablespoons in a couple cups of water every morning. I use the organic, unfiltered stuff "with the Mother."
Yes, calorie deficit is how we burn calories, we all know that. However, different foods have different nutrients that the body uses in different ways. Right? I've read a few things from a few sources and decided to try it. That, along with the diet I've chosen to follow, helped me lose 25lbs in a couple of months. I'm not doing it for just weight loss though, I believe it can benefit those with diabetes and/or high cholesterol. I have both. So I'll continue using it.
I believe you could incorporate it in other foods like salad dressings, for example, and still reap the benefits. Just make sure it's diluted because straight up it can damage your throat and stomach.
My bold.
Insert 'or any other placebo' into the bolded sentence
The 'diet I decided to follow' being the crucial part,not the placebo
I can take a little round pill and my blood pressure goes down.
I can take a little oval pill and my (bad) cholesterol goes down.
I can take another little oval pill and my diabetes becomes under control.
BUT...
Food and their nutrients can have no effects on how the body functions. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, I will continue - happily - with my "placebo."
And that's why doctors prescribe you chew on some root for healing your medical conditions instead of giving you medicine, right? Right.
Right. They actually do. I'll repeat, some doctors recommend PROPER DIET to at least try before starting on prescription meds. I know that was an attempt at a smart-alec remark but they do. I'm lucky in that I can control my cholesterol and diabetes with PROPER DIET. If it takes chewing on some root I'll do it.
Carry on.
Acetic acid...now part of a balanced diet
Another "awesome" smart-alek response.
Statins (calcium), metformin, angiotensin-converting-enzyme inhibitors, L-ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), cobalamin (Vitamin D).... Acetic acid. Why not?
Well...because acetic acid isn't a vitamin, we know that.
Are Lipitor, Glucophage and lisinopril vitamins?
No...are they "part of a PROPER DIET" as you put it?
No such thing as a conversation here... just a smart-*kitten* remarks by a few who act like they know it all and can copy/paste from Wikipedia. Instead of discussing the topic as a whole, just take bits and parts, ignoring entire context and apply the snark. LOL!!
"The smug is strong with this one!"
I couldn't care less about playing your little game. The OP can read through this and make her own decision.
I'm actually a molecular biologist, none of that was copy pasted (well, obviously I grabbed images of the molecules sorry I didn't painstakingly hand draw those for you).
Talking about "how do we know" that something like this isn't somehow "part of a proper diet" is just silly man. I get your point that people can make to many assumptions but there actually are some things we know about our biochemistry and acetic acid isn't a nutrient. It just isn't. Nothing smart-alek about that.
Where did I say acetic acid was a nutrient? I didn't say that. My claim is that it is something we ingest that alters, in some way, how our bodies function. And you are, apparently, saying that isn't true, but in a very pompous way.
Are you saying that ACV has absolutely no effect on anything at all in the human body? Nothing? NADA? Zilch? Are you saying, with authority, that ACV in no way has any effect in insulin sensitivity in diabetics? I don't believe anyone knows for sure either way but studies show that there is an effect.
Sources:
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/27/1/281.full
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/131/7/1973.full1 -
I just happened to buy some apple cider vinegar for the first time ever today. Not for anything dietary though, I have a bunch of fruit flies now, and I read online that apple cider vinegar + piece of fruit + dish washing liquid would work wonders. After a couple of hours so far, it seems to be working pretty well.
It works GREAT for that! No doubt about it. 2 -
I've been drinking Braggs ACV for a year and a half. After my coffee first thing in the morning, I'll mix one full teaspoon w/ 16 oz water . Sometimes I'll do this again in the afternoon. I believe it helps w/ cleaning the arteries and many other benefits. I say it does not help w/ weight loss. i'm glad to see this post. Thanks1
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Honestly I don't remember everything vitamin C does and I opted to go from memory not just copy past the wiki page as you claimed I did. I remember its a cofactor in enzymes, I think iron dependant oxygenases but could be others as well, and those enzymes are involved in scaveging of reactive oxygen species. Thats what makes it important but isn't what makes it a vitamin. Vitamins are any molecules that are essential for our lives but yet cannot be produced by our own biochemical pathways from intermediates. In otherwords if there is a molecule that is essential for our life, like hemoglobin, that we can synthesis ourselves from other intermediates (like we can with hemoglobin) then it isn't a vitamin. But if its something we cannot make ourselves from other intermediates AND its essential (like iron itself or like L-ascorbate, vitamin C) THEN it is a vitamin.
Micronutrients are the various vitamins we require in additon to the builidng blocks of metabolism (Macros) that also provide us with energy. If you supply your body with the necessary vitamins in the form of micronutrients and sufficient macros then you have a proper diet.
Acetic acid is none of those things....it just isn't. I mean we know that. Its basically a waste product that has a bite to it and is therefore used by us for flavoring. So its not part of a proper diet. Not sure why you'd even try to suggest it might be or what benefit that gives you.4 -
There are many non-doctor-prescribed substances that help alleviate symptoms of illness. But they cannot be prescribed by doctors due to strict regulations, tightly controlled regimens of care directed by insurance companies and their restrictions on what they will pay doctors for, and because there are no clinical trials for non-patented chemicals. Somebody mentioned chewing on a root. Licorice root helps with symptoms of indigestion and reflux. I wish my doctor had recommended that I at least try some diet and lifestyle changes to treat my GERD, maybe chew some licorice root before putting me on a medication that wound up causing me to have extreme nutrient malabsorption after 4 years of use. I wish my doctor had instructed me to try all of the dietary and lifestyle changes that would have easily alleviated my symptoms. Instead she wrote me a prescription. A prescription that is only intended to be taken for about 2 months, I was going to be on it for life. She did the same when my cholesterol was elevated and blood pressure was high. Doctors here in the US prescribe pills for everything at the drop of a hat, including things that could be easily managed by dietary and lifestyle changes. I have managed high blood pressure, GERD, and high cholesterol myself, while my doctor wanted to put me on 3 different prescriptions with zero advice on lifestyle change. Our system does not advocate making healthy lifestyle changes and doctor's words are not gospel.
Acetic acid isn't a nutrient, but that doesn't mean that the relief that some people get from drinking it should be discounted. Drinking the raw sludgy ACV with "mother" might be helpful to some people because it introduces beneficial bacteria. Maybe it has antimicrobial properties. Or it might be placebo. If ACV helps alleviate your symptoms, whether it is a placebo effect or not, there is no harm in using it.3 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I dilute 2 tablespoons in a couple cups of water every morning. I use the organic, unfiltered stuff "with the Mother."
Yes, calorie deficit is how we burn calories, we all know that. However, different foods have different nutrients that the body uses in different ways. Right? I've read a few things from a few sources and decided to try it. That, along with the diet I've chosen to follow, helped me lose 25lbs in a couple of months. I'm not doing it for just weight loss though, I believe it can benefit those with diabetes and/or high cholesterol. I have both. So I'll continue using it.
I believe you could incorporate it in other foods like salad dressings, for example, and still reap the benefits. Just make sure it's diluted because straight up it can damage your throat and stomach.
My bold.
Insert 'or any other placebo' into the bolded sentence
The 'diet I decided to follow' being the crucial part,not the placebo
I can take a little round pill and my blood pressure goes down.
I can take a little oval pill and my (bad) cholesterol goes down.
I can take another little oval pill and my diabetes becomes under control.
BUT...
Food and their nutrients can have no effects on how the body functions. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, I will continue - happily - with my "placebo."
And that's why doctors prescribe you chew on some root for healing your medical conditions instead of giving you medicine, right? Right.
Right. They actually do. I'll repeat, some doctors recommend PROPER DIET to at least try before starting on prescription meds. I know that was an attempt at a smart-alec remark but they do. I'm lucky in that I can control my cholesterol and diabetes with PROPER DIET. If it takes chewing on some root I'll do it.
Carry on.
Acetic acid...now part of a balanced diet
Another "awesome" smart-alek response.
Statins (calcium), metformin, angiotensin-converting-enzyme inhibitors, L-ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), cobalamin (Vitamin D).... Acetic acid. Why not?
Well...because acetic acid isn't a vitamin, we know that.
Are Lipitor, Glucophage and lisinopril vitamins?
No...are they "part of a PROPER DIET" as you put it?
No such thing as a conversation here... just a smart-*kitten* remarks by a few who act like they know it all and can copy/paste from Wikipedia. Instead of discussing the topic as a whole, just take bits and parts, ignoring entire context and apply the snark. LOL!!
"The smug is strong with this one!"
I couldn't care less about playing your little game. The OP can read through this and make her own decision.
I'm actually a molecular biologist, none of that was copy pasted (well, obviously I grabbed images of the molecules sorry I didn't painstakingly hand draw those for you).
Talking about "how do we know" that something like this isn't somehow "part of a proper diet" is just silly man. I get your point that people can make to many assumptions but there actually are some things we know about our biochemistry and acetic acid isn't a nutrient. It just isn't. Nothing smart-alek about that.
Where did I say acetic acid was a nutrient? I didn't say that. My claim is that it is something we ingest that alters, in some way, how our bodies function. And you are, apparently, saying that isn't true, but in a very pompous way.
Are you saying that ACV has absolutely no effect on anything at all in the human body? Nothing? NADA? Zilch? Are you saying, with authority, that ACV in no way has any effect in insulin sensitivity in diabetics? I don't believe anyone knows for sure either way but studies show that there is an effect.
Sources:
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/27/1/281.full
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/131/7/1973.full
<scratches head> Then why are you disagreeing with what I said which was that acetic acid wasn't a vitamin and it wasn't a part of a proper diet? Thats what I said and you jumped all over it. If you agree with me what are we even talking about?
Perhaps you should read over all of my posts and look at what I actually said rather than reading into it. What did I actually say that you disagree with?0 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I dilute 2 tablespoons in a couple cups of water every morning. I use the organic, unfiltered stuff "with the Mother."
Yes, calorie deficit is how we burn calories, we all know that. However, different foods have different nutrients that the body uses in different ways. Right? I've read a few things from a few sources and decided to try it. That, along with the diet I've chosen to follow, helped me lose 25lbs in a couple of months. I'm not doing it for just weight loss though, I believe it can benefit those with diabetes and/or high cholesterol. I have both. So I'll continue using it.
I believe you could incorporate it in other foods like salad dressings, for example, and still reap the benefits. Just make sure it's diluted because straight up it can damage your throat and stomach.
My bold.
Insert 'or any other placebo' into the bolded sentence
The 'diet I decided to follow' being the crucial part,not the placebo
I can take a little round pill and my blood pressure goes down.
I can take a little oval pill and my (bad) cholesterol goes down.
I can take another little oval pill and my diabetes becomes under control.
BUT...
Food and their nutrients can have no effects on how the body functions. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, I will continue - happily - with my "placebo."
And that's why doctors prescribe you chew on some root for healing your medical conditions instead of giving you medicine, right? Right.
Right. They actually do. I'll repeat, some doctors recommend PROPER DIET to at least try before starting on prescription meds. I know that was an attempt at a smart-alec remark but they do. I'm lucky in that I can control my cholesterol and diabetes with PROPER DIET. If it takes chewing on some root I'll do it.
Carry on.
Acetic acid...now part of a balanced diet
Another "awesome" smart-alek response.
Statins (calcium), metformin, angiotensin-converting-enzyme inhibitors, L-ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), cobalamin (Vitamin D).... Acetic acid. Why not?
Well...because acetic acid isn't a vitamin, we know that.
Are Lipitor, Glucophage and lisinopril vitamins?
No...are they "part of a PROPER DIET" as you put it?
No such thing as a conversation here... just a smart-*kitten* remarks by a few who act like they know it all and can copy/paste from Wikipedia. Instead of discussing the topic as a whole, just take bits and parts, ignoring entire context and apply the snark. LOL!!
"The smug is strong with this one!"
I couldn't care less about playing your little game. The OP can read through this and make her own decision.
I'm actually a molecular biologist, none of that was copy pasted (well, obviously I grabbed images of the molecules sorry I didn't painstakingly hand draw those for you).
Talking about "how do we know" that something like this isn't somehow "part of a proper diet" is just silly man. I get your point that people can make to many assumptions but there actually are some things we know about our biochemistry and acetic acid isn't a nutrient. It just isn't. Nothing smart-alek about that.
Where did I say acetic acid was a nutrient? I didn't say that. My claim is that it is something we ingest that alters, in some way, how our bodies function. And you are, apparently, saying that isn't true, but in a very pompous way.
Are you saying that ACV has absolutely no effect on anything at all in the human body? Nothing? NADA? Zilch? Are you saying, with authority, that ACV in no way has any effect in insulin sensitivity in diabetics? I don't believe anyone knows for sure either way but studies show that there is an effect.
Sources:
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/27/1/281.full
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/131/7/1973.full
<scratches head> Then why are you disagreeing with what I said which was that acetic acid wasn't a vitamin and it wasn't a part of a proper diet? Thats what I said and you jumped all over it. If you agree with me what are we even talking about?
Perhaps you should read over all of my posts and look at what I actually said rather than reading into it. What did I actually say that you disagree with?
Your very first response was a sarcastic comment based on you reading something into what I said. You come across pompous and condescending in many of your replies to many other comments I've seen. And that just rubs me the wrong way.2 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I dilute 2 tablespoons in a couple cups of water every morning. I use the organic, unfiltered stuff "with the Mother."
Yes, calorie deficit is how we burn calories, we all know that. However, different foods have different nutrients that the body uses in different ways. Right? I've read a few things from a few sources and decided to try it. That, along with the diet I've chosen to follow, helped me lose 25lbs in a couple of months. I'm not doing it for just weight loss though, I believe it can benefit those with diabetes and/or high cholesterol. I have both. So I'll continue using it.
I believe you could incorporate it in other foods like salad dressings, for example, and still reap the benefits. Just make sure it's diluted because straight up it can damage your throat and stomach.
My bold.
Insert 'or any other placebo' into the bolded sentence
The 'diet I decided to follow' being the crucial part,not the placebo
I can take a little round pill and my blood pressure goes down.
I can take a little oval pill and my (bad) cholesterol goes down.
I can take another little oval pill and my diabetes becomes under control.
BUT...
Food and their nutrients can have no effects on how the body functions. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, I will continue - happily - with my "placebo."
And that's why doctors prescribe you chew on some root for healing your medical conditions instead of giving you medicine, right? Right.
Right. They actually do. I'll repeat, some doctors recommend PROPER DIET to at least try before starting on prescription meds. I know that was an attempt at a smart-alec remark but they do. I'm lucky in that I can control my cholesterol and diabetes with PROPER DIET. If it takes chewing on some root I'll do it.
Carry on.
Acetic acid...now part of a balanced diet
Another "awesome" smart-alek response.
Statins (calcium), metformin, angiotensin-converting-enzyme inhibitors, L-ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), cobalamin (Vitamin D).... Acetic acid. Why not?
Well...because acetic acid isn't a vitamin, we know that.
Are Lipitor, Glucophage and lisinopril vitamins?
No...are they "part of a PROPER DIET" as you put it?
No such thing as a conversation here... just a smart-*kitten* remarks by a few who act like they know it all and can copy/paste from Wikipedia. Instead of discussing the topic as a whole, just take bits and parts, ignoring entire context and apply the snark. LOL!!
"The smug is strong with this one!"
I couldn't care less about playing your little game. The OP can read through this and make her own decision.
I'm actually a molecular biologist, none of that was copy pasted (well, obviously I grabbed images of the molecules sorry I didn't painstakingly hand draw those for you).
Talking about "how do we know" that something like this isn't somehow "part of a proper diet" is just silly man. I get your point that people can make to many assumptions but there actually are some things we know about our biochemistry and acetic acid isn't a nutrient. It just isn't. Nothing smart-alek about that.
Where did I say acetic acid was a nutrient? I didn't say that. My claim is that it is something we ingest that alters, in some way, how our bodies function. And you are, apparently, saying that isn't true, but in a very pompous way.
Are you saying that ACV has absolutely no effect on anything at all in the human body? Nothing? NADA? Zilch? Are you saying, with authority, that ACV in no way has any effect in insulin sensitivity in diabetics? I don't believe anyone knows for sure either way but studies show that there is an effect.
Sources:
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/27/1/281.full
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/131/7/1973.full
<scratches head> Then why are you disagreeing with what I said which was that acetic acid wasn't a vitamin and it wasn't a part of a proper diet? Thats what I said and you jumped all over it. If you agree with me what are we even talking about?
Perhaps you should read over all of my posts and look at what I actually said rather than reading into it. What did I actually say that you disagree with?
Your very first response was a sarcastic comment based on you reading something into what I said. You come across pompous and condescending in many of your replies to many other comments I've seen. And that just rubs me the wrong way.
You might want to read the tone in your own posts then, consider why you might be getting the response you got. You got snark, you snarked back, others snarked back. Be a bit more thicker skinned or don't snark. I'm responding to what you said and the part I disagreed with, thats it. I think you are a bit angry now and are responding out of that anger. Perhaps just step away for a bit. I have no stake in this so see no need to be a pest to you, if its irritating you I'll stop. Cheers.4
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