Does burning calories include reducing sodium?

wgadrian5
wgadrian5 Posts: 11 Member
edited December 2024 in Food and Nutrition
Say your on 2,080 calories a day and 1500 mg of sodium. You workout for 30 mins on the treadmill and burn 450 calories, does that also mean you sweated out that 450 calories worth of sodium (about 325 mg of sodium)?

Edit: I put the workout in myfitnesspal app it adds the calories but the sodium doesn't change.

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  • singingflutelady
    singingflutelady Posts: 8,736 Member
    No
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,864 Member
    calories are a unit of energy...sodium is an electrolyte...yes, you will sweat out sodium, but that can't be measured in calories...the amount of sodium you would sweat out would be highly variable person to person
  • wgadrian5
    wgadrian5 Posts: 11 Member
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    calories are a unit of energy...sodium is an electrolyte...yes, you will sweat out sodium, but that can't be measured in calories...the amount of sodium you would sweat out would be highly variable person to person

    So does that mean the calories you burn can't be replaced? Because they're are fats, carbs, protein, etc that makeup those calories right?
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,864 Member
    wgadrian5 wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    calories are a unit of energy...sodium is an electrolyte...yes, you will sweat out sodium, but that can't be measured in calories...the amount of sodium you would sweat out would be highly variable person to person

    So does that mean the calories you burn can't be replaced? Because they're are fats, carbs, protein, etc that makeup those calories right?

    I'm not following...calories can be replaced when you eat...
  • wgadrian5
    wgadrian5 Posts: 11 Member
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    wgadrian5 wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    calories are a unit of energy...sodium is an electrolyte...yes, you will sweat out sodium, but that can't be measured in calories...the amount of sodium you would sweat out would be highly variable person to person

    So does that mean the calories you burn can't be replaced? Because they're are fats, carbs, protein, etc that makeup those calories right?

    I'm not following...calories can be replaced when you eat...

    I mean what if you want replace the calories you burn with calories that include more sodium, fat, or protein? If your trying not to go over your mg of sodium, or grams of fat & protein, how would you do that? Or is it ONLY sodium that isn't reduced when burning calories?
  • PaulaWallaDingDong
    PaulaWallaDingDong Posts: 4,648 Member
    edited October 2016
    Don't worry about sodium (ETA I answered hastily. You don't want to go over on sodium. So don't.). If you want to eat your exercise calories, eat whatever you want. The end.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,864 Member
    wgadrian5 wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    wgadrian5 wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    calories are a unit of energy...sodium is an electrolyte...yes, you will sweat out sodium, but that can't be measured in calories...the amount of sodium you would sweat out would be highly variable person to person

    So does that mean the calories you burn can't be replaced? Because they're are fats, carbs, protein, etc that makeup those calories right?

    I'm not following...calories can be replaced when you eat...

    I mean what if you want replace the calories you burn with calories that include more sodium, fat, or protein? If your trying not to go over your mg of sodium, or grams of fat & protein, how would you do that? Or is it ONLY sodium that isn't reduced when burning calories?

    Sodium isn't going to be adjusted because there's no way to determine how much sodium you lost during your exercise.

    When you log your exercise, your macros should go up along with your calorie targets...your macros make up your calories (carbs/fat/protein)
  • wgadrian5
    wgadrian5 Posts: 11 Member
    edited October 2016
    Don't worry about sodium (ETA I answered hastily. You don't want to go over on sodium. So don't.). If you want to eat your exercise calories, eat whatever you want. The end.
    I like to limit my sodium.
    Edit: But if there's and opportunity to increase my intake I will.
  • PaulaWallaDingDong
    PaulaWallaDingDong Posts: 4,648 Member
    wgadrian5 wrote: »
    Don't worry about sodium (ETA I answered hastily. You don't want to go over on sodium. So don't.). If you want to eat your exercise calories, eat whatever you want. The end.
    I like to limit my sodium.

    Then it wouldn't make too much sense to be adding on extra due to exercise unless you're a hard core endurance athlete. Even then it's anyone's guess as to how much.
  • PaulaWallaDingDong
    PaulaWallaDingDong Posts: 4,648 Member
    Or, I'm misunderstanding your post. Are you looking at exercise as a means to keep sodium lower? Don't do that. Control what's going in.
  • wgadrian5
    wgadrian5 Posts: 11 Member
    edited October 2016
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    wgadrian5 wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    wgadrian5 wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    calories are a unit of energy...sodium is an electrolyte...yes, you will sweat out sodium, but that can't be measured in calories...the amount of sodium you would sweat out would be highly variable person to person

    So does that mean the calories you burn can't be replaced? Because they're are fats, carbs, protein, etc that makeup those calories right?

    I'm not following...calories can be replaced when you eat...

    I mean what if you want replace the calories you burn with calories that include more sodium, fat, or protein? If your trying not to go over your mg of sodium, or grams of fat & protein, how would you do that? Or is it ONLY sodium that isn't reduced when burning calories?

    Sodium isn't going to be adjusted because there's no way to determine how much sodium you lost during your exercise.

    When you log your exercise, your macros should go up along with your calorie targets...your macros make up your calories (carbs/fat/protein)
    Just read a article that says if you weigh yourself before and after your workout you can estimate the amount of sodium loss. You think it's legit? http://www.livestrong.com/article/445772-how-much-sodium-is-lost-during-exercise/
  • wgadrian5
    wgadrian5 Posts: 11 Member
    Or, I'm misunderstanding your post. Are you looking at exercise as a means to keep sodium lower? Don't do that. Control what's going in.
    No I mean working out to give yourself more room to indulge without over-doing it.
  • rileysowner
    rileysowner Posts: 8,380 Member
    Do you have sodium related high blood pressure or some other medical issue that requires you to eat low sodium? If not 1500 is lower than you likely need to go.
  • AllOutof_Bubblegum
    AllOutof_Bubblegum Posts: 3,646 Member
    edited October 2016
    wgadrian5 wrote: »
    Or, I'm misunderstanding your post. Are you looking at exercise as a means to keep sodium lower? Don't do that. Control what's going in.
    No I mean working out to give yourself more room to indulge without over-doing it.

    It doesn't work like that. If you want a sodium splurge and you don't have a health-threatening reason to keep sodium low, then just go ahead and have the extra sodium. You can flush it out over the next few days with an increase in fluids. Exercise doesn't allow for more sodium.
  • wgadrian5
    wgadrian5 Posts: 11 Member
    Do you have sodium related high blood pressure or some other medical issue that requires you to eat low sodium? If not 1500 is lower than you likely need to go.
    1500 mg recommend for African Americans.
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    I've never seen so much hand wringing over an essential electrolyte...I'm totally confused...
    I agree it is essential, so I'm wondering during those 30 minute cardio sessions "Does my sodium need to be replaced." I mean I guess that's what Gatorade & Powered is for? I just thought it was more widely known to track it. You can lose a lot of weight after cardio so I guess I'll just take that article with a grain of salt. ;)
  • Sara1791
    Sara1791 Posts: 760 Member
    edited October 2016
    wgadrian5 wrote: »
    Do you have sodium related high blood pressure or some other medical issue that requires you to eat low sodium? If not 1500 is lower than you likely need to go.
    1500 mg recommend for African Americans.
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    I've never seen so much hand wringing over an essential electrolyte...I'm totally confused...
    I agree it is essential, so I'm wondering during those 30 minute cardio sessions "Does my sodium need to be replaced." I mean I guess that's what Gatorade & Powered is for? I just thought it was more widely known to track it. You can lose a lot of weight after cardio so I guess I'll just take that article with a grain of salt. ;)


    I see what you did there. ;)

    I've never heard of anyone being able to track sodium loss via exercise.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,864 Member
    wgadrian5 wrote: »
    Do you have sodium related high blood pressure or some other medical issue that requires you to eat low sodium? If not 1500 is lower than you likely need to go.
    1500 mg recommend for African Americans.
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    I've never seen so much hand wringing over an essential electrolyte...I'm totally confused...
    I agree it is essential, so I'm wondering during those 30 minute cardio sessions "Does my sodium need to be replaced." I mean I guess that's what Gatorade & Powered is for? I just thought it was more widely known to track it. You can lose a lot of weight after cardio so I guess I'll just take that article with a grain of salt. ;)

    Gatorade and Powerade are marketed that way but contain very little in the way of electrolytes...they are better for replenishing glycogen after a long endurance event. I usually have a pickle or two after an endurance event if I need to replenish sodium.

    I wouldn't personally worry about replacing sodium after a 30 minute workout...I'd also be weary of a 450 calorie burn for a 30 minute workout.
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    wgadrian5 wrote: »
    Say your on 2,080 calories a day and 1500 mg of sodium. You workout for 30 mins on the treadmill and burn 450 calories, does that also mean you sweated out that 450 calories worth of sodium (about 325 mg of sodium)?

    Edit: I put the workout in myfitnesspal app it adds the calories but the sodium doesn't change.

    You are not burning 450 calories in 30 minutes on a treadmill so do not eat them back

    If you don't have high blood pressure don't worry unduly about sodium

    And the answer to your actual question is no
  • wgadrian5
    wgadrian5 Posts: 11 Member
    Sara1791 wrote: »
    wgadrian5 wrote: »
    Do you have sodium related high blood pressure or some other medical issue that requires you to eat low sodium? If not 1500 is lower than you likely need to go.
    1500 mg recommend for African Americans.
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    I've never seen so much hand wringing over an essential electrolyte...I'm totally confused...
    I agree it is essential, so I'm wondering during those 30 minute cardio sessions "Does my sodium need to be replaced." I mean I guess that's what Gatorade & Powered is for? I just thought it was more widely known to track it. You can lose a lot of weight after cardio so I guess I'll just take that article with a grain of salt. ;)


    I see what you did there. ;)

    I've never heard of anyone being able to track sodium loss via exercise.

    I know... there's basically little to no information on the subject.
  • Sara1791
    Sara1791 Posts: 760 Member
    edited October 2016
    He is right about the recommendations for African Americans. Also for anyone over 51 and anyone with hypertension. (My SIL was involved hands on in some recent studies and I got to hear all about it.) I'm pretty sure the American Heart Association recommends 1500 for everyone, but maybe that's overkill.

    edit for gender correction
  • PaulaWallaDingDong
    PaulaWallaDingDong Posts: 4,648 Member
    edited October 2016
    wgadrian5 wrote: »
    Sara1791 wrote: »
    wgadrian5 wrote: »
    Do you have sodium related high blood pressure or some other medical issue that requires you to eat low sodium? If not 1500 is lower than you likely need to go.
    1500 mg recommend for African Americans.
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    I've never seen so much hand wringing over an essential electrolyte...I'm totally confused...
    I agree it is essential, so I'm wondering during those 30 minute cardio sessions "Does my sodium need to be replaced." I mean I guess that's what Gatorade & Powered is for? I just thought it was more widely known to track it. You can lose a lot of weight after cardio so I guess I'll just take that article with a grain of salt. ;)


    I see what you did there. ;)

    I've never heard of anyone being able to track sodium loss via exercise.

    I know... there's basically little to no information on the subject.

    So, you don't want to risk harming your health with extra sodium if you have a health condition that requires it when there's little to no information on the subject. So, don't exercise to earn a sodium splurge.

    On that same token, you don't want to deny yourself an occasional splurge if you don't have a health condition (being African American isn't a health condition) when there's little to no information on the subject and one salty meal won't kill you.
  • wgadrian5
    wgadrian5 Posts: 11 Member
    Sara1791 wrote: »
    He is right about the recommendations for African Americans. Also for anyone over 51 and anyone with hypertension. (My SIL was involved hands on in some recent studies and I got to hear all about it.) I'm pretty sure the American Heart Association recommends 1500 for everyone, but maybe that's overkill.

    edit for gender correction

    I was about to say I'm a guyy. Lol but do you track your sodium?
  • Sara1791
    Sara1791 Posts: 760 Member
    I definitely don't try to guess how much I might be losing by working out. I'm not an endurance athlete or a foundry worker.

    I try to keep sodium intake under 2300, usually fail, but I have no risk factors. So, no, I don't really track it.
  • wgadrian5
    wgadrian5 Posts: 11 Member
    Sara1791 wrote: »
    I definitely don't try to guess how much I might be losing by working out. I'm not an endurance athlete or a foundry worker.

    I try to keep sodium intake under 2300, usually fail, but I have no risk factors. So, no, I don't really track it.

    Ehh, I see what you mean. I like to just so I can't say I wish I had.
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,808 Member
    Does burning calories include reducing sodium?
    No - sodium isn't a fuel.
    Does sweating cause you to lose some sodium? - Yes.
    I put the workout in myfitnesspal app it adds the calories but the sodium doesn't change.
    Of course not.
    How can the app possibly know how much you sweat and how much sodium is in that sweat?

    30 minutes on the treadmill isn't really going to affect your electrolyte levels significantly enough to worry about.
    On 3hr+ hours fast cycle rides in hot weather I'm going to add an electrolyte tablet to my water - otherwise I just let my body salt thing out. ;)

    By the way 450 cals in half an hour is one serious rate of calorie burn - either you are super fit or something is off in your estimations.
  • wgadrian5
    wgadrian5 Posts: 11 Member
    sijomial wrote: »
    Does burning calories include reducing sodium?
    No - sodium isn't a fuel.
    Does sweating cause you to lose some sodium? - Yes.
    I put the workout in myfitnesspal app it adds the calories but the sodium doesn't change.
    Of course not.
    How can the app possibly know how much you sweat and how much sodium is in that sweat?

    30 minutes on the treadmill isn't really going to affect your electrolyte levels significantly enough to worry about.
    On 3hr+ hours fast cycle rides in hot weather I'm going to add an electrolyte tablet to my water - otherwise I just let my body salt thing out. ;)

    By the way 450 cals in half an hour is one serious rate of calorie burn - either you are super fit or something is off in your estimations.

    What do you think about the article saying you can guestimate the amount of sodium depending on how much weight you lose? Running 30 minutes at a 5mph jog is about 450-500 calories according to the treadmill.
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,808 Member
    edited October 2016
    wgadrian5 wrote: »
    sijomial wrote: »
    Does burning calories include reducing sodium?
    No - sodium isn't a fuel.
    Does sweating cause you to lose some sodium? - Yes.
    I put the workout in myfitnesspal app it adds the calories but the sodium doesn't change.
    Of course not.
    How can the app possibly know how much you sweat and how much sodium is in that sweat?

    30 minutes on the treadmill isn't really going to affect your electrolyte levels significantly enough to worry about.
    On 3hr+ hours fast cycle rides in hot weather I'm going to add an electrolyte tablet to my water - otherwise I just let my body salt thing out. ;)

    By the way 450 cals in half an hour is one serious rate of calorie burn - either you are super fit or something is off in your estimations.

    What do you think about the article saying you can guestimate the amount of sodium depending on how much weight you lose? Running 30 minutes at a 5mph jog is about 450-500 calories according to the treadmill.


    What do you think about the article saying you can guestimate the amount of sodium depending on how much weight you lose?
    But why? What is the point?
    I do long distance cycling (longest ride 9 hours), sweat heavily when exercising hard and don't need to micro manage my electrolytes.


    Running 30 minutes at a 5mph jog is about 450-500 calories according to the treadmill.
    Using the common formula....
    Net Running calories Spent = (Body weight in pounds) x (0.63) x (Distance in miles)

    So if you weigh 300lbs and manage 2.5 miles that's approximately 472.5 cals.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,094 Member
    edited October 2016
    wgadrian5 wrote: »
    sijomial wrote: »
    Does burning calories include reducing sodium?
    No - sodium isn't a fuel.
    Does sweating cause you to lose some sodium? - Yes.
    I put the workout in myfitnesspal app it adds the calories but the sodium doesn't change.
    Of course not.
    How can the app possibly know how much you sweat and how much sodium is in that sweat?

    30 minutes on the treadmill isn't really going to affect your electrolyte levels significantly enough to worry about.
    On 3hr+ hours fast cycle rides in hot weather I'm going to add an electrolyte tablet to my water - otherwise I just let my body salt thing out. ;)

    By the way 450 cals in half an hour is one serious rate of calorie burn - either you are super fit or something is off in your estimations.

    What do you think about the article saying you can guestimate the amount of sodium depending on how much weight you lose? Running 30 minutes at a 5mph jog is about 450-500 calories according to the treadmill.

    I think it's interesting, and I leave it there. Not practical spending mental energy on it. Majoring in the minors if you will. Focus your attention on the things that matter. Balanced diet, macros and micros, slight deficit or surplus (depending on your goals), exercise and plenty of rest and recovery...
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