How much is too much to pay for a12 week program?

moorem93
moorem93 Posts: 25 Member
in Health and Weight Loss
Thinking about signing up to a 12 week program with a successful online fitness coach! The plan includes every meal and gym session planned as well as daily check in and conversation with the coach! Agee of my friends have signed up and had great results and I know the guy knows what he is doing. I 12 week programme is $380 (US) is that far too much to pay. I just want to see what people think.? Thanks.
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  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    My other thought is that whether something is worth the money is related to your disposable income, can you easily spare the money? Do you really want to do it?
  • Therealobi1
    Therealobi1 Posts: 3,262 Member
    It may or may not be great idea, it all depends on the effort you put in
    Now if you plan your meals and workout by yourself giving it 100% you can achieve great things for free

    Me personally I think success can be had witout chucking money at it

    Good luck in whatever you decide
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    I personally wouldn't pay anything for a programme...
  • kommodevaran
    kommodevaran Posts: 17,890 Member
    "Online fitness" - I think you'll do just as fine with free youtube videos! If you need a PT, and you may not even need one, get a real life one.

    Meal plan - always, always make your own. What's most important about a meal plan is that you follow it, and the biggest challenge with any meal plan is also to follow it - so you'll have such a great advantage from composing your own meal plan, based on your schedule, your likes and dislikes, your ethics, your social life, your cooking skills, your kitchen's equipment and storage facilities, your economical situation and what foods are available to you.

    Whether 380 dollars is a lot of money, depends on what you earn, and what is valuable to you - compare it with other things you pay an equal amount for - what do you get for that sum of money? I would nevertheless say this thing is a scam, unless there is something added that you haven't mentioned.
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    I just worked out the weekly cost of my gym membership plus weekly PT sessions

    I'm spending around £50 ($61 but damn that exchange rate is low) a week just on fitness and that's excluding gym wear and sports shoes. For 12 week programme that's (£600/$732) ...But no I don't need to, I choose to, and can afford to. But I would have not been able to do so in the past.

    Affordability is really part of the equation, don't struggle to pay for something you can do for free
  • VintageFeline
    VintageFeline Posts: 6,771 Member
    How did you find this online coach? I know online PT training is a thing now and there's even some round here that do it who are incredibly knowledgeable and likely worth the money. But from what I've seen that is experienced lifters etc with specific goals being given specific training.

    But, as a beginner, I'm not sure it's the right route. Depending on what you want to get out of it (just weight loss and improved fitness?) then in person training to correct form and give real world motivation would be preferable. I would also be wary of any PTs dietary credentials.

    Personally I just use MFP and have paid nominal amounts for Fitness Blender Schedules (online, $15 each, mine for life).
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    edited October 2016
    cityruss wrote: »
    Without knowing the trainer in question and the actual plan it's impossible to say.
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    any trainer meal planing, is breaking the law because they're practicing medicine without a license

    So everyone on this forum offering dietary advice is going to be locked up?

    This is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on here.

    Really? Think hard... :bigsmile:
  • DeficitDuchess
    DeficitDuchess Posts: 3,099 Member
    edited October 2016
    cityruss wrote: »
    Without knowing the trainer in question and the actual plan it's impossible to say.
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    any trainer meal planing, is breaking the law because they're practicing medicine without a license

    So everyone on this forum offering dietary advice is going to be locked up?

    This is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on here.

    Dietetic's a medical field, is it not? No 1 here's offering professional advice, for profit but their personal opinions or if they're professionals in said field, include disclaimers; that indicate their advice is a personal opinion/not a professional diagnosis & also aren't charging, for their personal opinion! So yeah, people practicing medicine without a license; get imprisoned & sued also!
  • Topsking2010
    Topsking2010 Posts: 2,245 Member
    Checkout bodybuilding.com fitness programs. It's free!!
  • DeficitDuchess
    DeficitDuchess Posts: 3,099 Member
    Alatariel75 wrote: »
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    cityruss wrote: »
    Without knowing the trainer in question and the actual plan it's impossible to say.
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    any trainer meal planing, is breaking the law because they're practicing medicine without a license

    So everyone on this forum offering dietary advice is going to be locked up?

    This is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on here.

    Dietetic's a medical field, is it not? No 1 here's offering professional advice, for profit but their personal opinions or if they're professionals in said field, include disclaimers; that indicate their advice is a personal opinion/not a professional diagnosis & yeah people practicing medicine without a license get imprisoned & sued also!

    It's really, really not illegal for someone not a doctor to offer meal planning and nutrition plans. It's just.... not. Recommending diet does not fall under practicing medicine. Or every Weight watchers leader would be on the run.

    Which is why they recommend, that they seek a doctor's approval; before beginning their plans & thus puts the professional responsibility, on their doctor's professional opinion; not WW!
  • DeficitDuchess
    DeficitDuchess Posts: 3,099 Member
    edited October 2016
    Sued0nim wrote: »
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    Alatariel75 wrote: »
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    cityruss wrote: »
    Without knowing the trainer in question and the actual plan it's impossible to say.
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    any trainer meal planing, is breaking the law because they're practicing medicine without a license

    So everyone on this forum offering dietary advice is going to be locked up?

    This is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on here.

    Dietetic's a medical field, is it not? No 1 here's offering professional advice, for profit but their personal opinions or if they're professionals in said field, include disclaimers; that indicate their advice is a personal opinion/not a professional diagnosis & yeah people practicing medicine without a license get imprisoned & sued also!

    It's really, really not illegal for someone not a doctor to offer meal planning and nutrition plans. It's just.... not. Recommending diet does not fall under practicing medicine. Or every Weight watchers leader would be on the run.

    Which is why they recommend, that they seek a doctor's approval; before beginning their plans & thus puts the professional responsibility, on their doctor's professional opinion; not WW!

    You know you're wrong, just accept it :) it happens

    Any links? I am open, to being proven wrong & thus is why I'm here; to learn!
  • Alatariel75
    Alatariel75 Posts: 18,224 Member
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    Alatariel75 wrote: »
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    cityruss wrote: »
    Without knowing the trainer in question and the actual plan it's impossible to say.
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    any trainer meal planing, is breaking the law because they're practicing medicine without a license

    So everyone on this forum offering dietary advice is going to be locked up?

    This is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on here.

    Dietetic's a medical field, is it not? No 1 here's offering professional advice, for profit but their personal opinions or if they're professionals in said field, include disclaimers; that indicate their advice is a personal opinion/not a professional diagnosis & yeah people practicing medicine without a license get imprisoned & sued also!

    It's really, really not illegal for someone not a doctor to offer meal planning and nutrition plans. It's just.... not. Recommending diet does not fall under practicing medicine. Or every Weight watchers leader would be on the run.

    Which is why they recommend, that they seek a doctor's approval; before beginning their plans & thus puts the professional responsibility, on their doctor's professional opinion; not WW!

    And I bet you pretty much every 'online coach' has the same sort of disclaimer somewhere on their site. It's enough to cover their butts. But if it was illegal for them to offer the advice without being a doctor, the disclaimer wouldn't be enough to save them.
  • DeficitDuchess
    DeficitDuchess Posts: 3,099 Member
    edited October 2016
    Alatariel75 wrote: »
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    Alatariel75 wrote: »
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    cityruss wrote: »
    Without knowing the trainer in question and the actual plan it's impossible to say.
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    any trainer meal planing, is breaking the law because they're practicing medicine without a license

    So everyone on this forum offering dietary advice is going to be locked up?

    This is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on here.

    Dietetic's a medical field, is it not? No 1 here's offering professional advice, for profit but their personal opinions or if they're professionals in said field, include disclaimers; that indicate their advice is a personal opinion/not a professional diagnosis & yeah people practicing medicine without a license get imprisoned & sued also!

    It's really, really not illegal for someone not a doctor to offer meal planning and nutrition plans. It's just.... not. Recommending diet does not fall under practicing medicine. Or every Weight watchers leader would be on the run.

    Which is why they recommend, that they seek a doctor's approval; before beginning their plans & thus puts the professional responsibility, on their doctor's professional opinion; not WW!

    And I bet you pretty much every 'online coach' has the same sort of disclaimer somewhere on their site. It's enough to cover their butts. But if it was illegal for them to offer the advice without being a doctor, the disclaimer wouldn't be enough to save them.

    For instance WW doesn't create, individual meal plans & thus it's no different, than you going to; the grocery store & buying your choice of, Lean Cuisines! Like the Nutrition Facts' labels, they just create a different avenue; to calculate the same calories & like Lean Cuisine, offers all of their food for sale; to anyone! What'd be the point of a trainer creating an individual meal plan, that'd then have to be gone over with a Dietitian; when the Dietitian could've just created it themselves?
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    Sued0nim wrote: »
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    Alatariel75 wrote: »
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    cityruss wrote: »
    Without knowing the trainer in question and the actual plan it's impossible to say.
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    any trainer meal planing, is breaking the law because they're practicing medicine without a license

    So everyone on this forum offering dietary advice is going to be locked up?

    This is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on here.

    Dietetic's a medical field, is it not? No 1 here's offering professional advice, for profit but their personal opinions or if they're professionals in said field, include disclaimers; that indicate their advice is a personal opinion/not a professional diagnosis & yeah people practicing medicine without a license get imprisoned & sued also!

    It's really, really not illegal for someone not a doctor to offer meal planning and nutrition plans. It's just.... not. Recommending diet does not fall under practicing medicine. Or every Weight watchers leader would be on the run.

    Which is why they recommend, that they seek a doctor's approval; before beginning their plans & thus puts the professional responsibility, on their doctor's professional opinion; not WW!

    You know you're wrong, just accept it :) it happens

    Any links? I am open, to being proven wrong & thus is why I'm here; to learn!

    Are you asking for links to prove that dietary advice is not protected in the same way that medical advice is ?

    Being well enough to start a diet and fitness programme is not the same as protecting dietary advice


  • Alatariel75
    Alatariel75 Posts: 18,224 Member
    What sort of links do you want to prove a negative, exactly?

    I could link you to all the statues which don't include sections which make giving dietary advice without being a doctor illegal...
    I could give you links to websites with criminal cases, none of which are people getting charged with giving dietary advice without being a doctor...

    But seeing as it is your assertion, how about you point out what exactly makes it illegal for someone to give dietary advice when not a doctor? And for extra points explain why there are whole industries operating and making tons of money doing exactly that, without fear of being arrested and charged?
  • DeficitDuchess
    DeficitDuchess Posts: 3,099 Member
    Sued0nim wrote: »
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    Sued0nim wrote: »
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    Alatariel75 wrote: »
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    cityruss wrote: »
    Without knowing the trainer in question and the actual plan it's impossible to say.
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    any trainer meal planing, is breaking the law because they're practicing medicine without a license

    So everyone on this forum offering dietary advice is going to be locked up?

    This is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on here.

    Dietetic's a medical field, is it not? No 1 here's offering professional advice, for profit but their personal opinions or if they're professionals in said field, include disclaimers; that indicate their advice is a personal opinion/not a professional diagnosis & yeah people practicing medicine without a license get imprisoned & sued also!

    It's really, really not illegal for someone not a doctor to offer meal planning and nutrition plans. It's just.... not. Recommending diet does not fall under practicing medicine. Or every Weight watchers leader would be on the run.

    Which is why they recommend, that they seek a doctor's approval; before beginning their plans & thus puts the professional responsibility, on their doctor's professional opinion; not WW!

    You know you're wrong, just accept it :) it happens

    Any links? I am open, to being proven wrong & thus is why I'm here; to learn!

    Are you asking for links to prove that dietary advice is not protected in the same way that medical advice is ?

    Being well enough to start a diet and fitness programme is not the same as protecting dietary advice


    Are you implying that Dietetics, isn't a medical field? It is & thus' why dietary advice's medical advice; otherwise Dietitian's wouldn't have, medical education/licensing requirements!
  • JustAnotherOneOfThoseGirls
    JustAnotherOneOfThoseGirls Posts: 165 Member
    personally, i would ask the trainer's qualifications first, make sure he's actually trained in the plans he's giving you and isn't just spewing out bro-science. A lot of good fitness coaches and personal trainers I know will refuse to help on anything they're not qualified on as it's a risk to the client and their reputation if they give false information. You might be better seeking out what's available to you locally, as it might be a better support system, fr example, at my gym, we have a nutritionist, a GP specialist, fitness coaches and PTs, and they all work together to make a personal plan, instead of one person doing it all
  • shadow2soul
    shadow2soul Posts: 7,692 Member
    I wouldn't do it. Not when places like bodybuilding.com (workout programs and some even have meal plans) are free.
  • DeficitDuchess
    DeficitDuchess Posts: 3,099 Member
    edited October 2016
    Alatariel75 wrote: »
    What sort of links do you want to prove a negative, exactly?

    I could link you to all the statues which don't include sections which make giving dietary advice without being a doctor illegal...
    I could give you links to websites with criminal cases, none of which are people getting charged with giving dietary advice without being a doctor...

    But seeing as it is your assertion, how about you point out what exactly makes it illegal for someone to give dietary advice when not a doctor? And for extra points explain why there are whole industries operating and making tons of money doing exactly that, without fear of being arrested and charged?

    Prove that it's legal and/or that, they haven't been sued!

    Criminal courts typically don't deal with situations, within which something isn't definitively provable; such as: they said/they said but the civil courts do! However in the link below, the trainer hand wrote nutritional instructions; which is believed to have caused the customers fatality & yet while being sued, it didn't mention any criminal charges; which baffles me since there's definitive proof of such instruction! I guess it's a case of laws, not being enforced because Dietetics' a medical field! Just like while Dr. Oz had to testify before congress, he wasn't charged & while he was at risk of losing his medical license, within his medical field; didn't either!

    nytimes.com/1999/06/29/nyregion/health-club-and-trainer-are-sued-in-a-death.html
  • Ming1951
    Ming1951 Posts: 514 Member
    I would not pay that for an online coach.
  • moorem93
    moorem93 Posts: 25 Member
    Ignoring how political this discussion has turned, would anyone like to be daily accountability buddies over the coming weeks ? Please message me!
  • DeficitDuchess
    DeficitDuchess Posts: 3,099 Member
    edited October 2016
    Alatariel75 wrote: »
    DeficitDuchess wrote: »
    Alatariel75 wrote: »
    What sort of links do you want to prove a negative, exactly?

    I could link you to all the statues which don't include sections which make giving dietary advice without being a doctor illegal...
    I could give you links to websites with criminal cases, none of which are people getting charged with giving dietary advice without being a doctor...

    But seeing as it is your assertion, how about you point out what exactly makes it illegal for someone to give dietary advice when not a doctor? And for extra points explain why there are whole industries operating and making tons of money doing exactly that, without fear of being arrested and charged?

    Prove that it's legal and/or that, they haven't been sued!

    Criminal courts typically don't deal with situations, within which something isn't definitively provable; such as: they said/they said but the civil courts do! However in the link below, the trainer hand wrote nutritional instructions; which is believed to have caused the customers fatality & yet while being sued, it didn't mention any criminal charges; which baffles me since there's definitive proof of such instruction! I guess it's a case of laws, not being enforced because Dietetics' a medical field! Just like while Dr. Oz had to testify before congress, he wasn't charged & while he was at risk of losing his medical license, within his medical field; didn't either!

    nytimes.com/1999/06/29/nyregion/health-club-and-trainer-are-sued-in-a-death.html

    There weren't criminal charges because there was no law against what the trainer did. It doesn't matter what 'proof' there was, if there isn't a law against it, then doing it isn't illegal.

    Do you understand the difference between civil and criminal proceedings? Civil proceedings don't result in imprisonment. Criminal courts deal with criminal statutes. Civil courts deal with civil proceedings.

    Being able to be sued for giving bad advice is not the same as doing something that is against the law. Someone can be sued for doing something perfectly legal, but doing it badly or negligently. In fact, that's generally how it happens.

    For a civil case, someone needs to have suffered a loss or harm before there is an action. A criminal case only requires the act which is prohibited to have been done.

    You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the law works.

    I never made any indication, of what a criminal/civil court's jurisdiction's & thus there's no reason, to assume that I don't understand; the difference! As someone whom's had to contact the FBI, 3 times & received favorable results each time, I understand enough thus far!

    The point's that Dietetics' a medical field, if someone's masquerading as a Surgeon's able to be charged for practicing medicine without a license; why not a trainer masquerading as a Dietitian? Otherwise what's the point, in a Dietitian having to be medically educated & licensed?

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