How much is too much to pay for a12 week program?
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DeficitDuchess wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »What sort of links do you want to prove a negative, exactly?
I could link you to all the statues which don't include sections which make giving dietary advice without being a doctor illegal...
I could give you links to websites with criminal cases, none of which are people getting charged with giving dietary advice without being a doctor...
But seeing as it is your assertion, how about you point out what exactly makes it illegal for someone to give dietary advice when not a doctor? And for extra points explain why there are whole industries operating and making tons of money doing exactly that, without fear of being arrested and charged?
Prove that it's legal and/or that, they haven't been sued!
Criminal courts typically don't deal with situations, within which something isn't definitively provable; such as: they said/they said but the civil courts do! However in the link below, the trainer hand wrote nutritional instructions; which is believed to have caused the customers fatality & yet while being sued, it didn't mention any criminal charges; which baffles me since there's definitive proof of such instruction! I guess it's a case of laws, not being enforced because Dietetics' a medical field! Just like while Dr. Oz had to testify before congress, he wasn't charged & while he was at risk of losing his medical license, within his medical field; didn't either!
nytimes.com/1999/06/29/nyregion/health-club-and-trainer-are-sued-in-a-death.html
There weren't criminal charges because there was no law against what the trainer did. It doesn't matter what 'proof' there was, if there isn't a law against it, then doing it isn't illegal.
Do you understand the difference between civil and criminal proceedings? Civil proceedings don't result in imprisonment. Criminal courts deal with criminal statutes. Civil courts deal with civil proceedings.
Being able to be sued for giving bad advice is not the same as doing something that is against the law. Someone can be sued for doing something perfectly legal, but doing it badly or negligently. In fact, that's generally how it happens.
For a civil case, someone needs to have suffered a loss or harm before there is an action. A criminal case only requires the act which is prohibited to have been done.
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the law works.
I never made any indication of what a criminal/civil court's jurisdiction is & thus there's no reason, to assume that I don't understand; the difference! As someone whom's had to contact the FBI, 3 times & received favorable results each time; I understand enough thus far!
The point's that Dietetics' a medical field, if someone's masquerading as a Surgeon's able to be charged for practicing medicine without a license; why not a trainer masquerading as a Dietitian? Otherwise what's the point, in a Dietitian having to be medically educated & licensed?
You suggested that people ought to be imprisoned for giving advice without a licence, then talked about them being sued. That's where the criminal/civil distinction comes in.
The point is, someone can study and become a licenced dietitian. They can then call themselves a dietitian. Someone cannot call themselves a dietitian when they are not, and will possibly face legal consquences for doing so.
However, anyone can hand out eating plans without any training, and will not face legal consequences unless they are holding themselves out to be something they aren't, i.e. actually calling themselves a dietitian (and to do so is in breach of a statute), or they do so negligently and cause harm.
It is not illegal for any person off the street to offer training or eating plans.2 -
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I think it is great value. If you are starting from 0 this person should be able to bring you along quite nicely. i would go for it anyway.
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Who is the trainer?0
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Personally I wouldn't pay $1 for someone to offer online training and nutrition advice but that's me not you.
To me it seems poor value for money compared to buying a book by (for example) people like Lou Schuler (training) & Alan Aragon (nutrition).
But if it educates you and motivates you not just in the 12 week period but also beyond, plus is ultimately "successful" (successful according to your criteria) then it would be good value for money in my opinion.
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My coaching/programming is between 125-200 dollars per month. I get the program-tailored to my stats, the nutrition/calorie advise, skype meetings, and unlimited texting about issues/questions I have. I would not pay 380 for whatever you have described.0
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Thinking about signing up to a 12 week program with a successful online fitness coach! The plan includes every meal and gym session planned as well as daily check in and conversation with the coach! Agee of my friends have signed up and had great results and I know the guy knows what he is doing. I 12 week programme is $380 (US) is that far too much to pay. I just want to see what people think.? Thanks.
Here's my 2 cents!
First off before you decide to spend any money, even if it's a $1, you must first be committed to the process!
Once you commit and your in the right frame of mind to begin a program it will be up to you to make it happen. You have to be accountable for your own actions. No PT can or will be with you 24/7.
When I started on my journey I was hesitant about spending $60 on the 21 Day Fix plan. 100 pounds down and now I think it was the best money I could have ever spent.
However, it was more about the commitment and the willingness to change that made it work. I added MFP and religiously log my food. I started logging January 2015 and haven't missed 1 day!
If you have friends that have worked a program ask them for their help. Most would be more than happy to help. I know that I am more than happy to help someone that wants to really try.
If you feel that you really need someone to tell you exactly what to do, then a PT might be they way to go, but you might want to find one you can go to in person.
I do ask this question...Will you be able to stick with it on your own after the 12 weeks are up?
In the end YOU are the only one that can do it. You have to be accountable to yourself first.
Good luck with your journey!
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DeficitDuchess wrote: »This is a huge red flag, to run away; with your money! A trainer "fitness couch", isn't a Dietitian; these're 2 separate professions & any trainer meal planing, is breaking the law because they're practicing medicine without a license & should be reported, to the authorities; for doing so! You wouldn't go to a brain surgeon for heart surgery'd you?
This is ridiculous...You don't have to be a dietitian to give someone a meal plan. Many trainers and coaches give their client's meal plans...it's not against the law. Some PTs are more qualified to give nutritional advice than others. My coach provides meal plans for his clients if they so desire...he's not a RD but he does have his masters degree in nutrition...he knows what he's doing...it just depends on the trainer/coach.
As to the OP...most people I know who do online training are already pretty well versed in things and are generally looking to accomplish specific goals as related to their fitness. My coach does online training and every single one of his clients are competitive athletes at or near the top of what they do...most of them are professional or near pro athletes...most are BMX riders and a handful of road cyclists. My coach is a retired BMX pro with multiple national championships and a world championship and he is one of the team USA BMX coaches when worlds and Olympics roll around. My coach doesn't online train novice folks like myself...he'd rather we train in person. That doesn't mean that this couldn't work...I do know other people who've done online training and they've really enjoyed the experience and accountability...price wise you're looking at just over $30 per week so not bad...I spend $50 per session with my guy.
Ultimately, it depends on you and how you feel about the coach/trainer. It took me around 3 years to find my guy...I had a couple of trainers along the way that weren't worth a nickle...2 -
I would not pay for personal training online. Especially for safety reasons. If you're going to be doing any weight-bearing exercise, it's important to have the person there with you to watch and correct your form. Anyone can have newbie gains from adding weight-lifting, but proper form will help you gain more over time and limit the chance of injury.
The other piece for me is what happens after the 12 weeks? Is the program sustainable and expandable enough for you to keep going on your own and build on it to keep seeing results? Or are you really committing to 12 weeks after 12 weeks after 12 weeks?0 -
Thinking about signing up to a 12 week program with a successful online fitness coach! The plan includes every meal and gym session planned as well as daily check in and conversation with the coach! Agee of my friends have signed up and had great results and I know the guy knows what he is doing. I 12 week programme is $380 (US) is that far too much to pay. I just want to see what people think.? Thanks.
Assuming the coach is good and you're getting an individualized program with follow ups I think this is reasonable.
I charge $200/month just to give you a comparison, and I know several online coaches (some better than others) with prices ranging from about $100-$500/month.0 -
Thinking about signing up to a 12 week program with a successful online fitness coach! The plan includes every meal and gym session planned as well as daily check in and conversation with the coach! Agee of my friends have signed up and had great results and I know the guy knows what he is doing. I 12 week programme is $380 (US) is that far too much to pay. I just want to see what people think.? Thanks.
It is too much for me to pay and wouldn't suit me. If I had a fitness coach I would probably want to work with them in person.
What are your goals? What results does this online coach promise?
You pay this person $380 plus you pay for a gym I assume? If you don't like the program can you get your money back? Have your friends kept up their results after their 12 week programs? Have you tried doing things on your own? Does your gym offer personal trainers?0 -
It is a bit on the expensive side, but I mean it does depend on your goals and your budget.
I would use an online coach or something if I was competing or a serious athlete.. but just go get in shape? Maybe not.
Right now I pay about $20/month or so for a program.. just exercise (outlines, demos etc) no meal plan (which I don't need anyways). There is online community available, form check etc which I don't really use.
But for me and my goals and needs, it is 100% worth it... IMO.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »This is a huge red flag, to run away; with your money! A trainer "fitness couch", isn't a Dietitian; these're 2 separate professions & any trainer meal planing, is breaking the law because they're practicing medicine without a license & should be reported, to the authorities; for doing so! You wouldn't go to a brain surgeon for heart surgery'd you?
This is ridiculous...You don't have to be a dietitian to give someone a meal plan. Many trainers and coaches give their client's meal plans...it's not against the law. Some PTs are more qualified to give nutritional advice than others. My coach provides meal plans for his clients if they so desire...he's not a RD but he does have his masters degree in nutrition...he knows what he's doing...it just depends on the trainer/coach.
As to the OP...most people I know who do online training are already pretty well versed in things and are generally looking to accomplish specific goals as related to their fitness. My coach does online training and every single one of his clients are competitive athletes at or near the top of what they do...most of them are professional or near pro athletes...most are BMX riders and a handful of road cyclists. My coach is a retired BMX pro with multiple national championships and a world championship and he is one of the team USA BMX coaches when worlds and Olympics roll around. My coach doesn't online train novice folks like myself...he'd rather we train in person. That doesn't mean that this couldn't work...I do know other people who've done online training and they've really enjoyed the experience and accountability...price wise you're looking at just over $30 per week so not bad...I spend $50 per session with my guy.
Ultimately, it depends on you and how you feel about the coach/trainer. It took me around 3 years to find my guy...I had a couple of trainers along the way that weren't worth a nickle...
Please familiarize yourself with this http://www.nutritionadvocacy.org/laws-state
Unfortunately in the state of Maryland, if I tell someone to eat a specific food and they have an adverse reaction, I'm liable. In most states you have to have a license to tell someone specific foods to eat. Especially special population clientele like those with diabetes, high blood pressure etc etc etc.
Your liability insurance doesn't cover you prescribing food and screwing up.
Please be aware of your states laws.
As a coach, my scope of practice through my certifying authority allows me to teach clients how to read nutrition labels and understand macronutrients, vitamins, and how to create a balanced diet, without specifically telling them what to eat.
My certification in nutrition via Precision Nutrition teaches us exactly how to talk to clients any nutritional choices, portion control, educate client on energy pathways if needed, as well as habit coaching for long term success.2 -
Helloitsdan wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »This is a huge red flag, to run away; with your money! A trainer "fitness couch", isn't a Dietitian; these're 2 separate professions & any trainer meal planing, is breaking the law because they're practicing medicine without a license & should be reported, to the authorities; for doing so! You wouldn't go to a brain surgeon for heart surgery'd you?
This is ridiculous...You don't have to be a dietitian to give someone a meal plan. Many trainers and coaches give their client's meal plans...it's not against the law. Some PTs are more qualified to give nutritional advice than others. My coach provides meal plans for his clients if they so desire...he's not a RD but he does have his masters degree in nutrition...he knows what he's doing...it just depends on the trainer/coach.
As to the OP...most people I know who do online training are already pretty well versed in things and are generally looking to accomplish specific goals as related to their fitness. My coach does online training and every single one of his clients are competitive athletes at or near the top of what they do...most of them are professional or near pro athletes...most are BMX riders and a handful of road cyclists. My coach is a retired BMX pro with multiple national championships and a world championship and he is one of the team USA BMX coaches when worlds and Olympics roll around. My coach doesn't online train novice folks like myself...he'd rather we train in person. That doesn't mean that this couldn't work...I do know other people who've done online training and they've really enjoyed the experience and accountability...price wise you're looking at just over $30 per week so not bad...I spend $50 per session with my guy.
Ultimately, it depends on you and how you feel about the coach/trainer. It took me around 3 years to find my guy...I had a couple of trainers along the way that weren't worth a nickle...
Please familiarize yourself with this http://www.nutritionadvocacy.org/laws-state
Unfortunately in the state of Maryland, if I tell someone to eat a specific food and they have an adverse reaction, I'm liable. In most states you have to have a license to tell someone specific foods to eat. Especially special population clientele like those with diabetes, high blood pressure etc etc etc.
Your liability insurance doesn't cover you prescribing food and screwing up.
Please be aware of your states laws.
As a coach, my scope of practice through my certifying authority allows me to teach clients how to read nutrition labels and understand macronutrients, vitamins, and how to create a balanced diet, without specifically telling them what to eat.
My certification in nutrition via Precision Nutrition teaches us exactly how to talk to clients any nutritional choices, portion control, educate client on energy pathways if needed, as well as habit coaching for long term success.
I see a lot of yellow and green states in there...I live in a yellow state.0 -
DeficitDuchess wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »What sort of links do you want to prove a negative, exactly?
I could link you to all the statues which don't include sections which make giving dietary advice without being a doctor illegal...
I could give you links to websites with criminal cases, none of which are people getting charged with giving dietary advice without being a doctor...
But seeing as it is your assertion, how about you point out what exactly makes it illegal for someone to give dietary advice when not a doctor? And for extra points explain why there are whole industries operating and making tons of money doing exactly that, without fear of being arrested and charged?
Prove that it's legal and/or that, they haven't been sued!
Criminal courts typically don't deal with situations, within which something isn't definitively provable; such as: they said/they said but the civil courts do! However in the link below, the trainer hand wrote nutritional instructions; which is believed to have caused the customers fatality & yet while being sued, it didn't mention any criminal charges; which baffles me since there's definitive proof of such instruction! I guess it's a case of laws, not being enforced because Dietetics' a medical field! Just like while Dr. Oz had to testify before congress, he wasn't charged & while he was at risk of losing his medical license, within his medical field; didn't either!
nytimes.com/1999/06/29/nyregion/health-club-and-trainer-are-sued-in-a-death.html
There weren't criminal charges because there was no law against what the trainer did. It doesn't matter what 'proof' there was, if there isn't a law against it, then doing it isn't illegal.
Do you understand the difference between civil and criminal proceedings? Civil proceedings don't result in imprisonment. Criminal courts deal with criminal statutes. Civil courts deal with civil proceedings.
Being able to be sued for giving bad advice is not the same as doing something that is against the law. Someone can be sued for doing something perfectly legal, but doing it badly or negligently. In fact, that's generally how it happens.
For a civil case, someone needs to have suffered a loss or harm before there is an action. A criminal case only requires the act which is prohibited to have been done.
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the law works.
I never made any indication, of what a criminal/civil court's jurisdiction's & thus there's no reason, to assume that I don't understand; the difference! As someone whom's had to contact the FBI, 3 times & received favorable results each time, I understand enough thus far!
The point's that Dietetics' a medical field, if someone's masquerading as a Surgeon's able to be charged for practicing medicine without a license; why not a trainer masquerading as a Dietitian? Otherwise what's the point, in a Dietitian having to be medically educated & licensed?
This is a ridiculous discussion, as you have been asked to cite a law that is being broken, but here:
"In December 2012, legislation that mandated only licensed, registered dietitians could provide nutrition counseling in Illinois was defeated by state legislators."
For the record, even a dietitian need not be a doctor, and I expect most are not.
"The new law that will go into effect [note: vs. the absence of law before, which is the case still in many places] says that non-Registered Dietitian (RD) nutritionists who have nutrition degrees from accredited schools, 900 hours of supervised experience, and pass an exam in clinical nutrition may become licensed to work in Illinois."
What about people who don't meet these qualifications?
"While the laws for each state contain somewhat different language, Ohio’s statute prohibiting unlicensed practice of dietetics may serve as a useful example to help clarify scope of practice for “nonlicensed individuals”; that is, individuals with occasion to discuss nutrition but without a registered dietitian credential and state license where necessary. Unlicensed Ohioans can provide “general nonmedical nutrition information,” which includes but is not necessarily limited to the following:
principles of good nutrition and food preparation
food to be included in the normal daily diet
essential nutrients needed by the body
recommended amounts of essential nutrients
actions of nutrients on the body
effects of deficiencies or excesses of nutrients
food and supplements that are good sources of essential nutrients
Unlicensed individuals also may freely disseminate nutrition information, including information on vegetarian diets, alternative diet philosophies, government or agency nutrition literature, books and articles (Ohio Board of Dietetics 2004). More information on state-specific statutes and regulations is available at www.cdrnet.org/certifications/licensure.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Helloitsdan wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »This is a huge red flag, to run away; with your money! A trainer "fitness couch", isn't a Dietitian; these're 2 separate professions & any trainer meal planing, is breaking the law because they're practicing medicine without a license & should be reported, to the authorities; for doing so! You wouldn't go to a brain surgeon for heart surgery'd you?
This is ridiculous...You don't have to be a dietitian to give someone a meal plan. Many trainers and coaches give their client's meal plans...it's not against the law. Some PTs are more qualified to give nutritional advice than others. My coach provides meal plans for his clients if they so desire...he's not a RD but he does have his masters degree in nutrition...he knows what he's doing...it just depends on the trainer/coach.
As to the OP...most people I know who do online training are already pretty well versed in things and are generally looking to accomplish specific goals as related to their fitness. My coach does online training and every single one of his clients are competitive athletes at or near the top of what they do...most of them are professional or near pro athletes...most are BMX riders and a handful of road cyclists. My coach is a retired BMX pro with multiple national championships and a world championship and he is one of the team USA BMX coaches when worlds and Olympics roll around. My coach doesn't online train novice folks like myself...he'd rather we train in person. That doesn't mean that this couldn't work...I do know other people who've done online training and they've really enjoyed the experience and accountability...price wise you're looking at just over $30 per week so not bad...I spend $50 per session with my guy.
Ultimately, it depends on you and how you feel about the coach/trainer. It took me around 3 years to find my guy...I had a couple of trainers along the way that weren't worth a nickle...
Please familiarize yourself with this http://www.nutritionadvocacy.org/laws-state
Unfortunately in the state of Maryland, if I tell someone to eat a specific food and they have an adverse reaction, I'm liable. In most states you have to have a license to tell someone specific foods to eat. Especially special population clientele like those with diabetes, high blood pressure etc etc etc.
Your liability insurance doesn't cover you prescribing food and screwing up.
Please be aware of your states laws.
As a coach, my scope of practice through my certifying authority allows me to teach clients how to read nutrition labels and understand macronutrients, vitamins, and how to create a balanced diet, without specifically telling them what to eat.
My certification in nutrition via Precision Nutrition teaches us exactly how to talk to clients any nutritional choices, portion control, educate client on energy pathways if needed, as well as habit coaching for long term success.
I see a lot of yellow and green states in there...I live in a yellow state.
You're lucky!
Personally I was tired of spending time building up nutrition plans for clients only to have them follow them for a week or two.
Now we just tackle the habits to build the love for nutrient dense foods and everything simply falls into place.
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Helloitsdan wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Helloitsdan wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »This is a huge red flag, to run away; with your money! A trainer "fitness couch", isn't a Dietitian; these're 2 separate professions & any trainer meal planing, is breaking the law because they're practicing medicine without a license & should be reported, to the authorities; for doing so! You wouldn't go to a brain surgeon for heart surgery'd you?
This is ridiculous...You don't have to be a dietitian to give someone a meal plan. Many trainers and coaches give their client's meal plans...it's not against the law. Some PTs are more qualified to give nutritional advice than others. My coach provides meal plans for his clients if they so desire...he's not a RD but he does have his masters degree in nutrition...he knows what he's doing...it just depends on the trainer/coach.
As to the OP...most people I know who do online training are already pretty well versed in things and are generally looking to accomplish specific goals as related to their fitness. My coach does online training and every single one of his clients are competitive athletes at or near the top of what they do...most of them are professional or near pro athletes...most are BMX riders and a handful of road cyclists. My coach is a retired BMX pro with multiple national championships and a world championship and he is one of the team USA BMX coaches when worlds and Olympics roll around. My coach doesn't online train novice folks like myself...he'd rather we train in person. That doesn't mean that this couldn't work...I do know other people who've done online training and they've really enjoyed the experience and accountability...price wise you're looking at just over $30 per week so not bad...I spend $50 per session with my guy.
Ultimately, it depends on you and how you feel about the coach/trainer. It took me around 3 years to find my guy...I had a couple of trainers along the way that weren't worth a nickle...
Please familiarize yourself with this http://www.nutritionadvocacy.org/laws-state
Unfortunately in the state of Maryland, if I tell someone to eat a specific food and they have an adverse reaction, I'm liable. In most states you have to have a license to tell someone specific foods to eat. Especially special population clientele like those with diabetes, high blood pressure etc etc etc.
Your liability insurance doesn't cover you prescribing food and screwing up.
Please be aware of your states laws.
As a coach, my scope of practice through my certifying authority allows me to teach clients how to read nutrition labels and understand macronutrients, vitamins, and how to create a balanced diet, without specifically telling them what to eat.
My certification in nutrition via Precision Nutrition teaches us exactly how to talk to clients any nutritional choices, portion control, educate client on energy pathways if needed, as well as habit coaching for long term success.
I see a lot of yellow and green states in there...I live in a yellow state.
You're lucky!
PersonallyI was tired of spending time building up nutrition plans for clients only to have them follow them for a week or two.
Now we just tackle the habits to build the love for nutrient dense foods and everything simply falls into place.
I'm sure that is annoying as hell...my coach is also my really good friend and he complains about this all of the time to me...it seems very frustrating. He does focus more on generalizations around a healthy diet more so than eat specifically this or that...kind of a lead a horse to water kind of thing...He'll give specifics, but ultimately he wants to teach his clients proper nutrition.
I'm curious as to how it would work online across state lines...like if the coach lives in a yellow or green state but the client lives in a red or orange state.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Helloitsdan wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Helloitsdan wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »DeficitDuchess wrote: »This is a huge red flag, to run away; with your money! A trainer "fitness couch", isn't a Dietitian; these're 2 separate professions & any trainer meal planing, is breaking the law because they're practicing medicine without a license & should be reported, to the authorities; for doing so! You wouldn't go to a brain surgeon for heart surgery'd you?
This is ridiculous...You don't have to be a dietitian to give someone a meal plan. Many trainers and coaches give their client's meal plans...it's not against the law. Some PTs are more qualified to give nutritional advice than others. My coach provides meal plans for his clients if they so desire...he's not a RD but he does have his masters degree in nutrition...he knows what he's doing...it just depends on the trainer/coach.
As to the OP...most people I know who do online training are already pretty well versed in things and are generally looking to accomplish specific goals as related to their fitness. My coach does online training and every single one of his clients are competitive athletes at or near the top of what they do...most of them are professional or near pro athletes...most are BMX riders and a handful of road cyclists. My coach is a retired BMX pro with multiple national championships and a world championship and he is one of the team USA BMX coaches when worlds and Olympics roll around. My coach doesn't online train novice folks like myself...he'd rather we train in person. That doesn't mean that this couldn't work...I do know other people who've done online training and they've really enjoyed the experience and accountability...price wise you're looking at just over $30 per week so not bad...I spend $50 per session with my guy.
Ultimately, it depends on you and how you feel about the coach/trainer. It took me around 3 years to find my guy...I had a couple of trainers along the way that weren't worth a nickle...
Please familiarize yourself with this http://www.nutritionadvocacy.org/laws-state
Unfortunately in the state of Maryland, if I tell someone to eat a specific food and they have an adverse reaction, I'm liable. In most states you have to have a license to tell someone specific foods to eat. Especially special population clientele like those with diabetes, high blood pressure etc etc etc.
Your liability insurance doesn't cover you prescribing food and screwing up.
Please be aware of your states laws.
As a coach, my scope of practice through my certifying authority allows me to teach clients how to read nutrition labels and understand macronutrients, vitamins, and how to create a balanced diet, without specifically telling them what to eat.
My certification in nutrition via Precision Nutrition teaches us exactly how to talk to clients any nutritional choices, portion control, educate client on energy pathways if needed, as well as habit coaching for long term success.
I see a lot of yellow and green states in there...I live in a yellow state.
You're lucky!
PersonallyI was tired of spending time building up nutrition plans for clients only to have them follow them for a week or two.
Now we just tackle the habits to build the love for nutrient dense foods and everything simply falls into place.
I'm sure that is annoying as hell...my coach is also my really good friend and he complains about this all of the time to me...it seems very frustrating. He does focus more on generalizations around a healthy diet more so than eat specifically this or that...kind of a lead a horse to water kind of thing...
My clients know not to cut out anything they don't want to unless it's extremely detrimental to their health ie: allergies, sensitivities, etc...
After a month of slowly withing down to 1 coke a day instead of 4.... Big difference.0 -
I never asked someone else to build a nutrition plan for me (was capable of creating my own, and I actually think learning that skill is extremely valuable, so am kind of against relying on someone else's). However, from many of the examples people show on MFP, I can't blame someone for not following them, as they were restrictive and didn't take into account likes and dislikes and what foods might be on hand/in-season.
For example, for dinner I pretty much make something from starch (occasionally fruit), protein, and lots of vegetables, with fat as accent and for cooking. That can be anything from a basic salmon with potatoes and green beans, mushroom, and avocado medley on the side or a pasta or stir fry including lots of lean meat and veg, or even a lasagne (I'd include some veg and lean ground beef) with a salad on the side. Those are interchangeable meals -- giving me a list of ingredients to use that I might not have or have to shop for, let alone some recipe or dish (as many meal plans seem to have, at least the ones in books) would drive me batty.
Ideally any meal plan would be flexible and would work with the person about how he or she eats and what stumbling blocks are for eating better.
This is related to why I wouldn't pay for the service OP is asking about, I guess.2 -
I'll say this, and this is from a conversation on Eat, Train, Progress forum on Facebook:
Knowing what I know now about distance training, it takes expert communication on the trainers side to relay specifically what the client needs to do in order to succeed.
The clients success goes up with how much they invest in that program. Why? Even if the trainer is terrible but the client feels invested, they will succeed. If the trainer is an amazing communicator and can relay via video, email, IM, phone or text, the clients success will go up.
The only thing that I've noticed over the past few years of training people online is if they aren't bring honest, they will fail but point the finger at the trainer.
So if you hire a trainer online, fill out their forms and be honest, pay the money and do the work.
No "Yea but..."
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I wouldn't pay more than a book. I like to do my own research and then go with a plan that I create to suit my own needs.
But I've never enjoyed having someone coaching me or nagging me on what to do. It doesn't help me. Just gets annoying.0 -
The key term here is "meal planning" Unless they are also registered and licensed dietitians, trainers in most states cannot legally make up meal plans. Even in states wheee it may not be specifically proscribed, it is outside the sole of practice for a personal trainer. This is especially true if the client has a medical condition (and obesity is considered a medical condition).
Trainers can give general diet advice, esp common guidelines that are readily available on fitness websites: use calculators to estimate RMR and TDEE, make recommendations for total calorie intake, discuss macros.
The article below describes the issue in more detail.
http://www.precisionnutrition.com/can-personal-trainers-give-nutrition-advice
The fact that many trainers ignore these guidelines and are not being carted off to jail doesn't mean they don't exist. The question to me as a consumer would be: if this trainer is so ignorant or willfully dismissive of professional standards in this case, what kind of character does he or she truly have and where else might they try to cut corners ?1 -
I'd rather spend that money on a gym membership and a real life personal trainer. You can find food plans for free all over the internet. Or log everything you eat here and make sure you stay in your calorie limit. What works for me is a 40/30/30 split c/f/p, although i rarely hit that amount of carbs and usually get more than 30% protein and fat lol But it's a good base to start off with.0
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You can pay me half of whatever you were going to pay.
*NOTE* I do not guarantee any results or have any formal training.0 -
Okay, so maybe i'll have a completely different perspective on this since i'm a Certified Personal Trainer, Author of a Nutrition Guide, and I offer online personal training services.
Here's the deal... value is subjective, but if he has repeatedly shown his worth in your friends and loved ones then YOU get to decide whether or not you think his services are valuable.
To put this is perspective with you, I charge roughly $100 a month for my online training services. This includes a customized training plan (usually 4 days a week) designed specifically for your goals, This includes cardio training/strength training/specific sport training, etc., daily check-ins, nutritional tracking (i just make sure you hit total calories and protein minimum), a nutrition guide (which just provides the facts about calories/macros/micros, how to determine what your goals are, how to prepare your foods, de-bunking common myths, and most importantly how to find a diet that best suits your personal preferences), a comprehensive flexibility and SMR plan, hundreds of videos giving in depth form advice, the ability to message me at any time for advice/form checks, etc.
The great thing about this type of training is:- Despite others flipping out at the price, I think this is incredibly affordable compared to in-person training or a monthly "personal trainer" plan you can purchase at a big box gym, ESPECIALLY if you are self-motivated and are already active. I charge roughly 80$ an hour for personal training (although the area i live in has a very high cost of living), so for only 20$ more you are instead getting 15 ADDITIONAL workouts from me.
- For individuals who are already active but not seeing results; having a solid plan built specifically for them and based on their actual strengths/weaknesses can be awesome. Seeing the daily or weekly progress, reaching goals, etc. can help someone feel positive feedback which makes them want to stay on track.
- Having someone there to be accountable to can be a great motivator.
- Sometimes people simply lack the conviction, the plan, the SMART goals, the planning skills, etc. they need to succeed at first.
- Generally these trainers have the flexibility to design a plan based on your needs whereas a personal trainer in a big box gym will have to follow a "cookie cutter" plan designed by the gym itself.
- This type of training can be good for the adherence of training as you can perform your workouts anytime and anywhere without having to schedule meeting someone in person.
The ideal candidate for this type of training is:- Someone who is self-motivated or can be reasonably expected to workout on their own.
- Someone who is already active but not seeing good results.
- Someone who doesn't have a solid plan or planning skills.
- Someone who isn't good at tracking their own progress and wants to see a positive trend.
- Someone who wants the freedom to workout when/where they want.
My personal goal with my clients is to help them develop habits and routines for which they no longer need my services and can maintain a healthy lifestyle long-term. I don't know about this trainer specifically, but if what you've seen is that he is competent , you can afford this, and you actually fit the profile of someone who would work with this type of training... i say... go for it!
P.S. As sidesteel said I agree that his price is comparable to other trainers offering similar services.
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I'm not opposed to online training and will be offering it once my personal training certification is official later this month (after an initial in person assessment, however). I also think the price is fair.
HOWEVER - Online fitness training isn't necessarily the best fit, especially for someone newer to exercise. Downloading a PDF and following along without really knowing much about your body's form and function can lead to injury. It's really important to check their qualifications. One of my biggest pet peeves as a fitness professional is people who aren't certified selling their products online because they happen to have a big Instagram following, etc.
As for my 2 cents on the nutritional part... It's against code of ethics for my certification program to offer nutritional advice as a trainer. We are allowed to encourage clients to make healthy choices, but its emphasized that we don't have the certification of a nutritionist or the advanced degree of a dietitian (nutritionist and dietitians are two different things) to accurately advise as nutritional goals vary from person to person, and their medical history should be taken into account.0 -
The value of the program is up to you. If you think you can't make your own meal plan, or workout schedule, and you feel $380 is a good price for that peace of mind then you should do it. But really you can only determine if that is a good value for you or not. I would say maybe try making your own first, but again that is up to you.0
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Topsking2010 wrote: »Checkout bodybuilding.com fitness programs. It's free!!
This^^^
I'm doing the FREE bb.com Lee Labrada 12 week program (there's also an Android app)
Cleaned up my diet, been doing it consistently for 6 weeks (and really pushing myself) and i'm 17 lbs. down, 15 to go
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Price and value is an individual thing. If you know people who have been helped by it and you have specific goals you haven't been able to achieve, and you can afford the $ 380, then there's nothing wrong with doing it0
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