Diabetes claim - limited amount of sugar one can eat in their life?
Francl27
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So my mom told me yesterday that her doctor said that everyone has a maximum amount of sugar that the pancreas can process in their life before giving up and giving you diabetes.
Never heard of this in my life.
True? BS?
Never heard of this in my life.
True? BS?
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Sugar doesn't cause diabetes.12
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I would suggest getting information from a better source such as:
http://diabetes.org/
http://www.diabetes.ca/
Hope this helps.3 -
Never heard such a thing.gebeziseva wrote: »Sugar doesn't cause diabetes.
That really wouldn't be what the doctor was saying though, at least not directly.0 -
Sounds pretty "direct" to me.0
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I've never heard it put quite like that, no. I have read and heard that you can get to a point where your pancreas no longer produces enough insulin. And that this can be caused, in part, by a poor diet.
I've read it as "the pancreas wears out" in part due to having to handle so much glucose, or insulin resistance etc... I googled that, just now, and got a number of hits.
http://www.netwellness.org/healthtopics/diabetes/pancreasdiabetes.cfm
But that's the closest it gets to what your mom's doc said.
Perhaps he uses google too. yikes.5 -
Me and my good friend Ben & Jerry's are currently trying to gather enough evidence to answer this question.31
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Right in line with your heart only does so many beats?8
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I've heard the pancreas wears out theory, but usually that's how T2D progresses. You become so insulin-resistant that it is working overtime to make extra insulin to keep blood glucose down that it eventually just stops making insulin. That's different from a lifetime limit on sugar that it can handle, of course. I wouldn't necessarily assume the doctor really said that, though, as patients often get things twisted and don't ask questions. (My parents are getting older and when I try to get a straight answer about what the doctor said it can be really frustrating, especially when they don't ask questions because they are embarrassed about being confused or some such.)5
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trigden1991 wrote: »
n=2 offers twice as many data points as n=1.10 -
Sounds like at best a gross oversimplification.
Bear in mind it's what you think your mother thinks the doctor said. The difference between that and what the doctor actually said may be considerable.11 -
CattOfTheGarage wrote: »Sounds like at best a gross oversimplification.
Bear in mind it's what you think your mother thinks the doctor said. The difference between that and what the doctor actually said may be considerable.
Good point!0 -
trigden1991 wrote: »
n=2 offers twice as many data points as n=1.
*looks around*
data points. Road map. Just a matter of time, my friend.1 -
Who knows.. My Uncle has type 2 diabetes and his main form of food over the years consisted of sugary items, lots of lollies/candy and jam/jelly on just about everything! He has never been overweight in the slightest.
He's in hospital right now after having half his leg amputated.1 -
I read this somewhere recently too. Can't remember where.
It sort of makes sense. What I read also discussed how some people will have a lower limit of sugars that they can handle which is where the genetics come into it. It also would help account for people who are not overweight when they develop insulin resistance.
I ate more sugar than average is my guess. I was also not overweight when I developed IR. Maybe a bit - I was around 160-165 lbs at 5'8". A size 12.0 -
CattOfTheGarage wrote: »Sounds like at best a gross oversimplification.
Bear in mind it's what you think your mother thinks the doctor said. The difference between that and what the doctor actually said may be considerable.
I agree. This sounds to me like a conversation that started, "Think about it like this...."1 -
Insulin resistance and sugar metabolism ares complicated by genetics, exercise, and other nutritional factors. Really good to read about, and get some basic understanding of these various factors and proven (epidemiologically) the best ways to prevent Type 2 diabetes (diet and exercise are at the top of the list).0
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Christine_72 wrote: »Who knows.. My Uncle has type 2 diabetes and his main form of food over the years consisted of sugary items, lots of lollies/candy and jam/jelly on just about everything! He has never been overweight in the slightest.
He's in hospital right now after having half his leg amputated.
I'm sorry, that sucks
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Christine_72 wrote: »Who knows.. My Uncle has type 2 diabetes and his main form of food over the years consisted of sugary items, lots of lollies/candy and jam/jelly on just about everything! He has never been overweight in the slightest.
He's in hospital right now after having half his leg amputated.
I'm sorry, that sucks
yeah, but he knew what he was doing, his doctor warned him of what would happen if he continued on the way he was, But he thought he would get away with it. He is the first person in our family to develop diabetes, he is also the only one who had a severe sweet tooth... So make of that what you will.0 -
I'm Type II and I call BS. There are a lot of factors that feed into the disease. For me it was a little bit genetics, being obese, and having Gestational Diabetes in back-to-back pregnancies. All of these things increased my risk. In fact, having GD almost DOUBLES your risk, and in the case of GD the culprit behind the issue is the placenta.
So yeah, that doesn't make much sense to me at all. But I'm not a doctor...1 -
It is BS, because if it wasn't BS I'd have diabetes.2
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Your mom needs to find a new doctor who actually knows something about diabetes.
Just my opinion as that's so over simplified it's utter BS. It does not factor in physiological and sociological factors nor the predisposition that is passed through familial lines. It also does not factor in other items that could cause an otherwise healthy person to become diabetic. There isn't a magic "this is how much sugar you can eat in your life" number.4 -
Am I too late for the Ben & Jerry's?
Also, I don't really know, but it sounds like what the doc said is bro science.0 -
There are a lot of bad oversimplifications that the medical establishment uses to "explain" things to the public (who they tend to assume are scientifically illiterate). I once had a dietician start giving me an "explanation" of insulin which would have been at home in any kindergarten class.2
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sounds like maybe the doctor wants to scare your mom into cutting down on sugar. or he's like other doctors i've talked to who know very little about diabetes.1
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Ha ha Not true. My younger sister eats a lot more sugar than I do and I'm the one with type 2 diabetes.
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In defence of doctors oversimplifying things, a lot of people have no interest in the science and no motivation to find out, so it's better to give them a soundbite they can use as a guide to change their behaviour than to give them a lot of what is, to them, extraneous detail of no particular use that just confuses the issue.
I am a specialist in buoyancy and ship stability, and I have told people that "things float if they are lighter than water" and "ships capsize if they are top heavy". These are also oversimplifications to the point of wrongness. You may be thinking "but that's right, that's how I understand it, that's a perfectly good way to understand it" - and if you aren't in the position of having to actually keep a ship afloat at sea, yes, it is. And that's my point.
ETA just because it's wrong doesn't mean it's not useful. See also: headology, newtonian mechanics.5 -
This is a pretty good link for type 2
http://www.endocrineweb.com/conditions/type-2-diabetes/type-2-diabetes-causes1 -
Family in my genetic line tend to live long and have good strong hearts. The weak link is diabetes. It could be that our insulin resistance is on the higher end of normal, but we have fringe benefits.
Also a family trait; big teeth, small mouth. Which translates in to braces.1 -
CattOfTheGarage wrote: »In defence of doctors oversimplifying things, a lot of people have no interest in the science and no motivation to find out, so it's better to give them a soundbite they can use as a guide to change their behaviour than to give them a lot of what is, to them, extraneous detail of no particular use that just confuses the issue.
I am a specialist in buoyancy and ship stability, and I have told people that "things float if they are lighter than water" and "ships capsize if they are top heavy". These are also oversimplifications to the point of wrongness. You may be thinking "but that's right, that's how I understand it, that's a perfectly good way to understand it" - and if you aren't in the position of having to actually keep a ship afloat at sea, yes, it is. And that's my point.
ETA just because it's wrong doesn't mean it's not useful. See also: headology, newtonian mechanics.
While I understand your general point I think there is a difference between explaining buoyancy/ship stability and physical health. Oversimplifying to the point of being wrong on ship stability isn't going to affect my life as I'm not planning on piloting a ship. Oversimplifying when it comes to medical advice to the point of being wrong can be dangerous. Doctors need to inform their patients. This isn't a casual conversation at a bar or dinner party about what we do for a living--this is medical advice I'm paying for and planning to follow. If this doctor can't adequately explain in simple terms without completely blowing the science behind it then he/she needs to refer the patient to an endocrinologist who CAN simplify and give real medical advice.
I think you are comparing apples to oranges here, honestly.0
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