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Most people are obese because they're meant to be. What?!
DietVanillaCoke
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Basically my mother is terrible when it comes to supporting anyone. She greeted me by saying that losing weight is pointless because she read somewhere that all the biggest losers gained all their weight back because their metabolisms were so use to eating low, the moment they started eating maintenance calories for their new weights, they gained it all back as their metabolisms were permanently slowed down. There for I should give up because *drum roll* Obese people are just meant to be obese. Thanks mum. She ended up sending me this link the next night.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/05/03/contestants-on-biggest-loser-regain-weight-due-to-damaged-metabolism-study-finds.html
Haha It's fox news too, so it's totally legit *rolls eyes*
I can't find any real research to back it up, I've found a few silly articles like the fox one but yet again none having any real research, so I'm feeling good about that... but I'd love to see what everyone else has to say on this and what research you can put forward.
I imagine they gained the weight back because they lost the weight in a small amount of time, doing crazy amounts of exercise and eating very little, so they probably didn't learn much about a healthier lifestyle and went back to their old ways, but that's just a guess.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/05/03/contestants-on-biggest-loser-regain-weight-due-to-damaged-metabolism-study-finds.html
Haha It's fox news too, so it's totally legit *rolls eyes*
I can't find any real research to back it up, I've found a few silly articles like the fox one but yet again none having any real research, so I'm feeling good about that... but I'd love to see what everyone else has to say on this and what research you can put forward.
I imagine they gained the weight back because they lost the weight in a small amount of time, doing crazy amounts of exercise and eating very little, so they probably didn't learn much about a healthier lifestyle and went back to their old ways, but that's just a guess.
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People always have some sort of excuse for things.9
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I don't think the Biggest Loser is a good touchstone for normal weight loss and something people should compare themselves too and assume similar results.13
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Huge discussion about this concept (albeit not that exact article) already exists: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10474913/nyt-article-about-obesity-stating-its-genetic-not-lack-of-willpower/p14
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Here's a prior discussion of those results/this topic in this section, which you might find interesting:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10382754/nytimes-reports-that-biggest-losers-have-decreased-metabolism/p12 -
Huge discussion about this concept (albeit not that exact article) already exists: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10474913/nyt-article-about-obesity-stating-its-genetic-not-lack-of-willpower/p1
More to remember for the next time i see her. Now I'll have "Metabolic damage and Genetics" covered XD Thank you!
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Some other interesting links on the topic:
Leigh Peele: http://www.leighpeele.com/a-response-to-the-ny-times-biggest-loser-study -- among other things, some issues about how the study was done (unknowns) plus encouragement about how much influence we have on TDEE.
WP: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/05/why-the-weight-loss-study-everyone-has-been-sharing-is-kind-of-misleading/?utm_term=.baf8963dc623
"Although the study was a damning indictment of the show, it doesn’t apply to those of us trying to lose weight with less extreme measures. There’s a substantial body of research on whether, and how much, your metabolism slows after weight loss, and the “Biggest Loser” study is a definite outlier. No other study shows such a large slowdown over such a long period of time....
The question isn’t whether you burn fewer calories after you lose weight, because you absolutely do. There’s less of you to move around, to pump blood through, and to keep at 98.6 degrees. Smaller people burn fewer calories than larger people. The question is whether your metabolism goes into a mode where it tries to be thrifty, to conserve calories and do all those basic functions using less energy. If it does, it means you have to eat less than someone who is the same weight but didn’t have to drop pounds to get there. Is there a metabolic penalty, in other words, for getting lighter?
Much of the evidence shows that there is some, but the amount varies. And some of the evidence shows none...."
Yoni Freedhoff on advice for sustainable weight loss: http://www.vox.com/2016/5/10/11649210/biggest-loser-weight-loss5 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Some other interesting links on the topic:
Leigh Peele: http://www.leighpeele.com/a-response-to-the-ny-times-biggest-loser-study -- among other things, some issues about how the study was done (unknowns) plus encouragement about how much influence we have on TDEE.
WP: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/05/why-the-weight-loss-study-everyone-has-been-sharing-is-kind-of-misleading/?utm_term=.baf8963dc623
"Although the study was a damning indictment of the show, it doesn’t apply to those of us trying to lose weight with less extreme measures. There’s a substantial body of research on whether, and how much, your metabolism slows after weight loss, and the “Biggest Loser” study is a definite outlier. No other study shows such a large slowdown over such a long period of time....
The question isn’t whether you burn fewer calories after you lose weight, because you absolutely do. There’s less of you to move around, to pump blood through, and to keep at 98.6 degrees. Smaller people burn fewer calories than larger people. The question is whether your metabolism goes into a mode where it tries to be thrifty, to conserve calories and do all those basic functions using less energy. If it does, it means you have to eat less than someone who is the same weight but didn’t have to drop pounds to get there. Is there a metabolic penalty, in other words, for getting lighter?
Much of the evidence shows that there is some, but the amount varies. And some of the evidence shows none...."
Yoni Freedhoff on advice for sustainable weight loss: http://www.vox.com/2016/5/10/11649210/biggest-loser-weight-loss
These are absolutely awesome! Thank you so much =D Feeling a lot better now.2 -
DietVanillaCoke wrote: »Basically my mother is terrible when it comes to supporting anyone. She greeted me by saying that losing weight is pointless because she read somewhere that all the biggest losers gained all their weight back because their metabolisms were so use to eating low, the moment they started eating maintenance calories for their new weights, they gained it all back as their metabolisms were permanently slowed down. There for I should give up because *drum roll* Obese people are just meant to be obese. Thanks mum. She ended up sending me this link the next night.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/05/03/contestants-on-biggest-loser-regain-weight-due-to-damaged-metabolism-study-finds.html
Haha It's fox news too, so it's totally legit *rolls eyes*
I can't find any real research to back it up, I've found a few silly articles like the fox one but yet again none having any real research, so I'm feeling good about that... but I'd love to see what everyone else has to say on this and what research you can put forward.
I imagine they gained the weight back because they lost the weight in a small amount of time, doing crazy amounts of exercise and eating very little, so they probably didn't learn much about a healthier lifestyle and went back to their old ways, but that's just a guess.
Sounds like your mother and my mother would get along just fine.
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From what I understand from "experts" who have written numerous articles about weight loss, losing weight is the result of a series of lifestyle changes that have to be maintained to keep the weight off. If a person is just out to take the weight off using drastic, unrealistic, unsustainable measures such as is the case with Biggest Loser, then the pounds will be regained once a person returns to old, unhealthy eating habits & lack of exercise. Not that I have watched numerous episodes of Biggest Loser, but the few I have seen are extreme to say the least. It is not a healthy, balanced way to lose weight & keep it off. I realize that the stats are not great for people to keep weight off once it is lost, but likely it isn't reappearing for no reason other than bad habits resurfacing. As far as the metabolism part of things, I can't comment on that cause I have no idea, but It takes work to lose the weight & continued workto maintain a healthy weight. Quit working & the weight will be regained.4
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Is your mum obese?0
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Christine_72 wrote: »Is your mum obese?
Yes!!! XD She actually didn't feed us right growing up because back in her day being stick thin was considered attractive and she was never thin. So she would starve us, call us "solid girls" and we grew up with a very bad understanding of food and nutrition. My sister was hospitalized many times as she developed eating disorders and spent a lot of her life under 100lbs. I went the other way and gained a lot the moment i moved out. I really wish they taught nutrition in schools here.1 -
I read a study on Biggest Loser Competitors and what they do on the show is not healthy or sustainable and causes issues with ED's and severe metabolic damage due to the VLCD and extreme amounts of exercise.
In the "real world", weight loss is achievable and is sustainable if you want it enough.3 -
If you follow the success threads on MFP you'll find alot of people that were obese, lost the weight, and have kept it off. They have all changed their lifestyles though. They exercise alot, even if only walking, and watch what they eat, even if not counting. They also give themselves a 5 lb "window". If they go over those 5 lbs they go back to basics--logging everything. There are also alot of pics. I find it an inspiration--you and your mom might too.5
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snowflake954 wrote: »If you follow the success threads on MFP you'll find alot of people that were obese, lost the weight, and have kept it off. They have all changed their lifestyles though. They exercise alot, even if only walking, and watch what they eat, even if not counting. They also give themselves a 5 lb "window". If they go over those 5 lbs they go back to basics--logging everything. There are also alot of pics. I find it an inspiration--you and your mom might too.
I find them inspirational, it's one of the many reasons I use MFP.
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Y'know what I think? Feck "meant to be". If you have a body that finds it easy to gain weight and more difficult to stay at a lower weight? That's a thing. But it's not destiny. The idea of "meant to be" is nothing more than a way for us to give up power over our own lives to.. something else. Whether that "else" is the universe or genetics or whatever it is you call it- it's never you.
But your body, with all its quirks and foibles, belongs to you. You get to choose what food to put in it- paying attention to its own needs. You get to choose to move it more- taking into account any impairments it might have. You still get to decide what you're gonna do with the cards you're dealt.
And, damnit, if you want to choose to put the work in over your lifetime to develop and sustain a body that's smaller or fitter or stronger? You get to do that!
/soapbox
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Warning: Essay Incoming
Let's assume the worst for a second: Let's assume that you really will require less food at goal weight than someone of the same weight who has never dieted.
Well, so be it. Figure out what your maintenance requirements are when you hit goal and then eat nutritious foods that meet your intake needs given your calorie expenditure.
Does it suck? Heck yes. Is it impossible to do?
Nope.
And you can mitigate a lot of satiety issues with diet changes, too. But you do have to find what foods fill you up the best and longest. I'm still experimenting with that five years after starting this war on weight, but I'm getting there. And I haven't gained back to even close to my highest weight. I still struggle, that's why I keep coming back to MFP. But according to the bleaker predictions, I'm not supposed to be able to have achieved this at all. To give you an idea:
Highest weight ever, 6 years ago: 250
Highest in past 5 years: 230
Lowest in the past 5 years: 110
Current: 130
Highest in past 3 years: 160
Is it easy? Nope. Fun? Rarely (I do enjoy being able to go outside and play, though!). Would I still be alive today if I had listened to the odds and stayed fat? Definitely not.
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Not sure I should even be in this conversation because I was barely getting my toe wet in the overweight category twice in my life, during pregnancy and menopause, but it seems to me that there is obvious evidence that as we lose weight, our calorie intake must go down. Even though that is true, I think that by reverse dieting and time, the situation of having to eat less in maintenance may shift toward being able to eat more calories. I say it because of the feeling that comes once the weight is lost and then beginning to eat more in maintenance, then of the increased energy, it all adds up to a body that will tend to move more and as long as calories are logged and people stay accountable to eat in line with TDEE things won't be too bad after all.
Best wishes batteling the negatives that are bringing you down! There might even be ideas here that will help your Mom lose her fears that obesity is inevitable for life.
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There are legitimate studies that have shown that to maintain a weight loss, you have to eat fewer calories than someone who's always been at that weight. However, the difference is something minuscule, like 20-50 calories if I remember correctly. The amount varies by how much you lost, how quickly you lost it, and how long you've been maintaining.
Its something that is easily overcome by being active and continuing to watch what you eat. Not a legit reason to remain obese.6 -
SingRunTing wrote: »There are legitimate studies that have shown that to maintain a weight loss, you have to eat fewer calories than someone who's always been at that weight. However, the difference is something minuscule, like 20-50 calories if I remember correctly. The amount varies by how much you lost, how quickly you lost it, and how long you've been maintaining.
Its something that is easily overcome by being active and continuing to watch what you eat. Not a legit reason to remain obese.
Thank you for sharing this!
TBH 20 to 50 calories is nothing to be afraid about then. Relax and keep on going. I tell myself, "If I quit I'll regret it".
I like it that people make these discussion threads because we can learn from them and dispell any excuses that sometimes pop up on hungry days.
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SingRunTing wrote: »There are legitimate studies that have shown that to maintain a weight loss, you have to eat fewer calories than someone who's always been at that weight. However, the difference is something minuscule, like 20-50 calories if I remember correctly. The amount varies by how much you lost, how quickly you lost it, and how long you've been maintaining.
Its something that is easily overcome by being active and continuing to watch what you eat. Not a legit reason to remain obese.
Yep. Lost 50 pounds and maintained for multiple years. I never felt like I need less food to stay my weight than others. In fact I have problems eating enough to gain now.2 -
The biggest loser cohort is extreme. It's hard to extrapolate their results to the general population from a subset of people who were on incredibly low-calorie diets paired with intense exercise for hours and hours every day.
On these message boards (especially the maintaining weight forum), you can survey a good chunk of people who have lost a substantial amount of weight. Aside from a few outliers, you'll find that the majority of them are maintaining their weight at the amount of calories they expected to at their goal weight. (Try a TDEE calculator for your goal weight to see how much you'll be able to eat.) Some can eat a lot more than they expected without gaining (likely because they're more active now than they were 70 pounds ago), and some do have to eat a little less than they expected.
Their results don't show the same thing that study does. Making an effort to lose weight and keep it off may be challenging, but it's nowhere near hopeless.6 -
trigden1991 wrote: »I read a study on Biggest Loser Competitors and what they do on the show is not healthy or sustainable and causes issues with ED's and severe metabolic damage due to the VLCD and extreme amounts of exercise.
In the "real world", weight loss is achievable and is sustainable if you want it enough.
That reminds me of the last season that I saw a few episodes of and everyone at the finale looked appalled at how skinny Rachel had gotten.
The Biggest Loser is 100% not a show that teaches people how to lose weight in a healthy and sustainable way. If you want that in a show, then from what I've seen what comes closest is Extreme Weight Loss (although I think that ended...?) since it's over the course of a whole year, rather than a few months, and they deal with the emotional issues as well as eating issues.
Regardless, OP, your mom is definitely wrong. The reason a lot of people gain the weight back is simply because they continuously ate over maintenance again, whether that be because their weight loss strategy was unsustainable or they just stopped caring, etc. But either way, I think your mom is just saying that so that she has an excuse to not lose the weight herself. It's her way to make herself feel better about it.
You do you.
I never understood people bagging on her. I thought she looked fine, other than maybe her big head, but that had nothing to do with the weight loss, and I have no room to talk. I possess a rather oversized noodle myself.4 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »I read a study on Biggest Loser Competitors and what they do on the show is not healthy or sustainable and causes issues with ED's and severe metabolic damage due to the VLCD and extreme amounts of exercise.
In the "real world", weight loss is achievable and is sustainable if you want it enough.
That reminds me of the last season that I saw a few episodes of and everyone at the finale looked appalled at how skinny Rachel had gotten.
The Biggest Loser is 100% not a show that teaches people how to lose weight in a healthy and sustainable way. If you want that in a show, then from what I've seen what comes closest is Extreme Weight Loss (although I think that ended...?) since it's over the course of a whole year, rather than a few months, and they deal with the emotional issues as well as eating issues.
Regardless, OP, your mom is definitely wrong. The reason a lot of people gain the weight back is simply because they continuously ate over maintenance again, whether that be because their weight loss strategy was unsustainable or they just stopped caring, etc. But either way, I think your mom is just saying that so that she has an excuse to not lose the weight herself. It's her way to make herself feel better about it.
You do you.
I never understood people bagging on her. I thought she looked fine, other than maybe her big head, but that had nothing to do with the weight loss, and I have no room to talk. I possess a rather oversized noodle myself.
I disagree that she looks fine.. It's not that her head is in actuality too big, her undersized body just makes it appear that way.
She has "that look" that i'm not allowed to mention on here...
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Christine_72 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »I read a study on Biggest Loser Competitors and what they do on the show is not healthy or sustainable and causes issues with ED's and severe metabolic damage due to the VLCD and extreme amounts of exercise.
In the "real world", weight loss is achievable and is sustainable if you want it enough.
That reminds me of the last season that I saw a few episodes of and everyone at the finale looked appalled at how skinny Rachel had gotten.
The Biggest Loser is 100% not a show that teaches people how to lose weight in a healthy and sustainable way. If you want that in a show, then from what I've seen what comes closest is Extreme Weight Loss (although I think that ended...?) since it's over the course of a whole year, rather than a few months, and they deal with the emotional issues as well as eating issues.
Regardless, OP, your mom is definitely wrong. The reason a lot of people gain the weight back is simply because they continuously ate over maintenance again, whether that be because their weight loss strategy was unsustainable or they just stopped caring, etc. But either way, I think your mom is just saying that so that she has an excuse to not lose the weight herself. It's her way to make herself feel better about it.
You do you.
I never understood people bagging on her. I thought she looked fine, other than maybe her big head, but that had nothing to do with the weight loss, and I have no room to talk. I possess a rather oversized noodle myself.
I disagree that she looks fine.. It's not that her head is in actuality too big, her undersized body just makes it appear that way.
She has "that look" that i'm not allowed to mention on here...
Oh don't get me wrong, she could use some weight training, but she's nowhere near what some tried to make her out to be. Assuming the interest were there on her part, she was in an amazing place to start a lean bulk.1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »I read a study on Biggest Loser Competitors and what they do on the show is not healthy or sustainable and causes issues with ED's and severe metabolic damage due to the VLCD and extreme amounts of exercise.
In the "real world", weight loss is achievable and is sustainable if you want it enough.
That reminds me of the last season that I saw a few episodes of and everyone at the finale looked appalled at how skinny Rachel had gotten.
The Biggest Loser is 100% not a show that teaches people how to lose weight in a healthy and sustainable way. If you want that in a show, then from what I've seen what comes closest is Extreme Weight Loss (although I think that ended...?) since it's over the course of a whole year, rather than a few months, and they deal with the emotional issues as well as eating issues.
Regardless, OP, your mom is definitely wrong. The reason a lot of people gain the weight back is simply because they continuously ate over maintenance again, whether that be because their weight loss strategy was unsustainable or they just stopped caring, etc. But either way, I think your mom is just saying that so that she has an excuse to not lose the weight herself. It's her way to make herself feel better about it.
You do you.
I never understood people bagging on her. I thought she looked fine, other than maybe her big head, but that had nothing to do with the weight loss, and I have no room to talk. I possess a rather oversized noodle myself.
I disagree that she looks fine.. It's not that her head is in actuality too big, her undersized body just makes it appear that way.
She has "that look" that i'm not allowed to mention on here...
There's not a lot of excess weight to lose around your skull.1 -
AoifeFitzy wrote: »
But your body, with all its quirks and foibles, belongs to you. You get to choose what food to put in it- paying attention to its own needs. You get to choose to move it more- taking into account any impairments it might have. You still get to decide what you're gonna do with the cards you're dealt.
@AoifeFitzy Thank you for writing this. It brought tears to my eyes. I've spent a lot of time hating my body, feeling like I'm fighting it. But this made me feel like I could actually start taking care of it because I love it, not because I hate the way it looks.
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AoifeFitzy wrote: »
But your body, with all its quirks and foibles, belongs to you. You get to choose what food to put in it- paying attention to its own needs. You get to choose to move it more- taking into account any impairments it might have. You still get to decide what you're gonna do with the cards you're dealt.
@AoifeFitzy Thank you for writing this. It brought tears to my eyes. I've spent a lot of time hating my body, feeling like I'm fighting it. But this made me feel like I could actually start taking care of it because I love it, not because I hate the way it looks.
This post reminded me of something Lyle McDonald wrote in his Ultimate Diet 2.0 book.
"As I'm fond of saying, your body hates you. Actually, that's backwards, your body loves you. It loves you so much that it will do everything in its power to keep you alive even if that means keeping you small(er) and fat(ter). Because to your body, that gives you a better chance of survival. That you want to do something different doesn't matter as far as your body is concerned."6 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »I never understood people bagging on her. I thought she looked fine, other than maybe her big head, but that had nothing to do with the weight loss, and I have no room to talk. I possess a rather oversized noodle myself...
Oh don't get me wrong, she could use some weight training, but she's nowhere near what some tried to make her out to be. Assuming the interest were there on her part, she was in an amazing place to start a lean bulk.
Perception of appearances can be deceiving. At 5'4" and 105 lbs, her BMI was 18.0 and she was clinically underweight. A quick examination of morbidity and mortality risks associated with that mean her health risks were equivalent to someone with a BMI of 40.
c Biggest Loser Rachel Frederickson - Shape.com"3 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »I read a study on Biggest Loser Competitors and what they do on the show is not healthy or sustainable and causes issues with ED's and severe metabolic damage due to the VLCD and extreme amounts of exercise.
In the "real world", weight loss is achievable and is sustainable if you want it enough.
That reminds me of the last season that I saw a few episodes of and everyone at the finale looked appalled at how skinny Rachel had gotten.
The Biggest Loser is 100% not a show that teaches people how to lose weight in a healthy and sustainable way. If you want that in a show, then from what I've seen what comes closest is Extreme Weight Loss (although I think that ended...?) since it's over the course of a whole year, rather than a few months, and they deal with the emotional issues as well as eating issues.
Regardless, OP, your mom is definitely wrong. The reason a lot of people gain the weight back is simply because they continuously ate over maintenance again, whether that be because their weight loss strategy was unsustainable or they just stopped caring, etc. But either way, I think your mom is just saying that so that she has an excuse to not lose the weight herself. It's her way to make herself feel better about it.
You do you.
I never understood people bagging on her. I thought she looked fine, other than maybe her big head, but that had nothing to do with the weight loss, and I have no room to talk. I possess a rather oversized noodle myself.
I disagree that she looks fine.. It's not that her head is in actuality too big, her undersized body just makes it appear that way.
She has "that look" that i'm not allowed to mention on here...
I find it interesting that you mention "the look" because years ago I was talking with a good friend of mine, who is a psychiatrist and we were talking about a famous woman. She treated alot of EDs and said "I'm sure she is__. You can see it by her face".1 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »I read a study on Biggest Loser Competitors and what they do on the show is not healthy or sustainable and causes issues with ED's and severe metabolic damage due to the VLCD and extreme amounts of exercise.
In the "real world", weight loss is achievable and is sustainable if you want it enough.
That reminds me of the last season that I saw a few episodes of and everyone at the finale looked appalled at how skinny Rachel had gotten.
The Biggest Loser is 100% not a show that teaches people how to lose weight in a healthy and sustainable way. If you want that in a show, then from what I've seen what comes closest is Extreme Weight Loss (although I think that ended...?) since it's over the course of a whole year, rather than a few months, and they deal with the emotional issues as well as eating issues.
Regardless, OP, your mom is definitely wrong. The reason a lot of people gain the weight back is simply because they continuously ate over maintenance again, whether that be because their weight loss strategy was unsustainable or they just stopped caring, etc. But either way, I think your mom is just saying that so that she has an excuse to not lose the weight herself. It's her way to make herself feel better about it.
You do you.
I never understood people bagging on her. I thought she looked fine, other than maybe her big head, but that had nothing to do with the weight loss, and I have no room to talk. I possess a rather oversized noodle myself.
I disagree that she looks fine.. It's not that her head is in actuality too big, her undersized body just makes it appear that way.
She has "that look" that i'm not allowed to mention on here...
I find it interesting that you mention "the look" because years ago I was talking with a good friend of mine, who is a psychiatrist and we were talking about a famous woman. She treated alot of EDs and said "I'm sure she is__. You can see it by her face".
Yep, you can just SEE when someone has some type of ED or is too thin to be healthy or is restricting calories to the extreme in there face.1
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