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SARMS for weight lifters
BonyCastro
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Anyone has try them ? They re legal and sound promising but the risk is not knowing long term effects. Anyone has try them ?
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No, most of these were abandoned research medications to treat conditions like sarcopenia & osteoporosis. The legality is questionable as well as the purity of these labeled "research" chemicals that are essentially sold as supplements. Andarine (S4) use has an adverse drug reaction of vision changes (somewhat like digoxin). They will probably be banned soon anyways.0
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I wouldn't touch them.0
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There are a lot of logs and a lot of knowledge on SARMS to be found on the Anabolic Minds forums. MFP is definitely not the place to try and get reliable information on research chems.0
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If it's being sold as a supplement, it's likely bogus. If you're consulting with an HRT doctor, maybe. IMO, most people who aren't getting the results they want with muscle building falls back on training, nutrition and recovery. Screw up any one of those and you limit your potential.
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A lot of the ones that I've tried work. I've done clen, T-3, and a couple of other ones for weight loss. They help with a good diet, but they're far from a magic pill. Clen is like a caffeine pill where it gets you awake but if you are caffeine sensitive then watch out. T-3 is for thyroids to help lose weight. Once again it's good but diet has to be right on. All day chemist, great white peptides, extreme peptides, etc. are all good for SARMS and PCT.0
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A lot of the ones that I've tried work. I've done clen, T-3, and a couple of other ones for weight loss. They help with a good diet, but they're far from a magic pill. Clen is like a caffeine pill where it gets you awake but if you are caffeine sensitive then watch out. T-3 is for thyroids to help lose weight. Once again it's good but diet has to be right on. All day chemist, great white peptides, extreme peptides, etc. are all good for SARMS and PCT.
Neither of the things you mentioned having tried are SARMS.2 -
No they are weight loss supplements but they also sell SARMS. Check out the web sites.0
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »A lot of the ones that I've tried work. I've done clen, T-3, and a couple of other ones for weight loss. They help with a good diet, but they're far from a magic pill. Clen is like a caffeine pill where it gets you awake but if you are caffeine sensitive then watch out. T-3 is for thyroids to help lose weight. Once again it's good but diet has to be right on. All day chemist, great white peptides, extreme peptides, etc. are all good for SARMS and PCT.
Neither of the things you mentioned having tried are SARMS.
Precisely what I was going to say. Plus the description and info provided is awful.1 -
If it's being sold as a supplement, it's likely bogus. If you're consulting with an HRT doctor, maybe. IMO, most people who aren't getting the results they want with muscle building falls back on training, nutrition and recovery. Screw up any one of those and you limit your potential.
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It is actually illegal to even market a SARM as a supp in the US. They are still legal to acquire and possess as research chems, but illegal to consume or have shipped in from another country. It's a really funky grey area right now.0 -
Yes it is, that's why many companies sell them as research chemicals to be used on rats, but people take them.
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A lot of the ones that I've tried work. I've done clen, T-3, and a couple of other ones for weight loss. They help with a good diet, but they're far from a magic pill. Clen is like a caffeine pill where it gets you awake but if you are caffeine sensitive then watch out. T-3 is for thyroids to help lose weight. Once again it's good but diet has to be right on. All day chemist, great white peptides, extreme peptides, etc. are all good for SARMS and PCT.
lmao clen is a caffeine pill? you're joking right?2 -
A lot of the ones that I've tried work. I've done clen, T-3, and a couple of other ones for weight loss. They help with a good diet, but they're far from a magic pill. Clen is like a caffeine pill where it gets you awake but if you are caffeine sensitive then watch out. T-3 is for thyroids to help lose weight. Once again it's good but diet has to be right on. All day chemist, great white peptides, extreme peptides, etc. are all good for SARMS and PCT.
lmao clen is a caffeine pill? you're joking right?
"Clenbuterol Hydrochloride is a powerful bronchodilator that is used to treat breathing disorders like asthma. It is a very common fat burning tool used by many anabolic steroid users."1 -
A lot of the ones that I've tried work. I've done clen, T-3, and a couple of other ones for weight loss. They help with a good diet, but they're far from a magic pill. Clen is like a caffeine pill where it gets you awake but if you are caffeine sensitive then watch out. T-3 is for thyroids to help lose weight. Once again it's good but diet has to be right on. All day chemist, great white peptides, extreme peptides, etc. are all good for SARMS and PCT.
lmao clen is a caffeine pill? you're joking right?
"Clenbuterol Hydrochloride is a powerful bronchodilator that is used to treat breathing disorders like asthma. It is a very common fat burning tool used by many anabolic steroid users."
Ehh, it's basically a concentrated version of Ephedrine, without the appetite suppression, and only has to be dosed once every 24 hours instead of every 4.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »A lot of the ones that I've tried work. I've done clen, T-3, and a couple of other ones for weight loss. They help with a good diet, but they're far from a magic pill. Clen is like a caffeine pill where it gets you awake but if you are caffeine sensitive then watch out. T-3 is for thyroids to help lose weight. Once again it's good but diet has to be right on. All day chemist, great white peptides, extreme peptides, etc. are all good for SARMS and PCT.
lmao clen is a caffeine pill? you're joking right?
"Clenbuterol Hydrochloride is a powerful bronchodilator that is used to treat breathing disorders like asthma. It is a very common fat burning tool used by many anabolic steroid users."
Ehh, it's basically a concentrated version of Ephedrine, without the appetite suppression, and only has to be dosed once every 24 hours instead of every 4.
sure, but to call it a caffeine pill makes it sound harmless and legal.1 -
SARMS are a rather controversial topic just like AAS and are in a grey legal area. They are still in their infancy and the next generation or two should improve their effectiveness and efficiency and thus make them ready for FDA approval in the next decade I would imagine. Currently, those who take them often reject steroids but take them thinking they are more ethical, or at least they are in legal limbo, and are less harmful.
The research shows that they do have some side effects similar to steroids, such a affect on LDL and HDL as well as lowering testosterone levels, but are not generally as severe as AASs and that's probably at least partially because they are in a lower dosage. They also do not seem to have the same hepatotoxicity when taken orally. So they might be safer but if you are going to avoid steroids I would avoid SARMS as well, at least until they get FDA approval.
Disclaimer: I in no way endorse or encourage the use of performance enhancing drugs.0 -
...And I came here, in a tired state, to find out this post isn't about sarma.
Carry on...1 -
a lot of companies that were producing (i.e. Blackstone Labs) them have since stopped likely for the reason @VKetoV mentioned - they'll probably be banned soon.
I think it's mostly due to the threat of law suits. I know that their is at least one supplement company that is suing others, and some small distributors, for some type of commercial tort (can't remember the exact claim), using CAD writs against them then basically trying to legally extort money. A judge recently ruled that the courts had no jurisdiction on this IIRC but more supplement companies are trying this tact by the looks of it.
I'm not a fan of the way the US government is treating steroids as if they were illegal drugs because of their use in cheating in sports - really the government shouldn't be trying to enforce fair play via the war on drugs - but I also think using this class of drugs strictly for performance or esthetics is not healthy and shouldn't be something a person should risk.1 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »a lot of companies that were producing (i.e. Blackstone Labs) them have since stopped likely for the reason @VKetoV mentioned - they'll probably be banned soon.
I think it's mostly due to the threat of law suits. I know that their is at least one supplement company that is suing others, and some small distributors, for some type of commercial tort (can't remember the exact claim), using CAD writs against them then basically trying to legally extort money. A judge recently ruled that the courts had no jurisdiction on this IIRC but more supplement companies are trying this tact by the looks of it.
I'm not a fan of the way the US government is treating steroids as if they were illegal drugs because of their use in cheating in sports - really the government shouldn't be trying to enforce fair play via the war on drugs - but I also think using this class of drugs strictly for performance or esthetics is not healthy and shouldn't be something a person should risk.
Possibly, but I'd say that's always a personal judgment call. For example, where do we draw the line? If a 50 year old man, who's T-levels are in the crapper, who's solely doing it for aesthetic/performance purposes, but also reaping health benefits in the process more justified than another?
Personally, I'd rather just see them removed from schedule altogether and keep them regulated and inspected like any OTC. At least then we'd have less occurances of people giving themselves intramuscular injections of bathtub brew.1 -
A lot of the ones that I've tried work. I've done clen, T-3, and a couple of other ones for weight loss. They help with a good diet, but they're far from a magic pill. Clen is like a caffeine pill where it gets you awake but if you are caffeine sensitive then watch out. T-3 is for thyroids to help lose weight. Once again it's good but diet has to be right on. All day chemist, great white peptides, extreme peptides, etc. are all good for SARMS and PCT.A lot of the ones that I've tried work. I've done clen, T-3, and a couple of other ones for weight loss. They help with a good diet, but they're far from a magic pill. Clen is like a caffeine pill where it gets you awake but if you are caffeine sensitive then watch out. T-3 is for thyroids to help lose weight. Once again it's good but diet has to be right on. All day chemist, great white peptides, extreme peptides, etc. are all good for SARMS and PCT.
What about ostarine ? Any experience with it ?0 -
BonyCastro wrote: »A lot of the ones that I've tried work. I've done clen, T-3, and a couple of other ones for weight loss. They help with a good diet, but they're far from a magic pill. Clen is like a caffeine pill where it gets you awake but if you are caffeine sensitive then watch out. T-3 is for thyroids to help lose weight. Once again it's good but diet has to be right on. All day chemist, great white peptides, extreme peptides, etc. are all good for SARMS and PCT.A lot of the ones that I've tried work. I've done clen, T-3, and a couple of other ones for weight loss. They help with a good diet, but they're far from a magic pill. Clen is like a caffeine pill where it gets you awake but if you are caffeine sensitive then watch out. T-3 is for thyroids to help lose weight. Once again it's good but diet has to be right on. All day chemist, great white peptides, extreme peptides, etc. are all good for SARMS and PCT.
What about ostarine ? Any experience with it ?
why do you want to take SARMS anyway? what are you looking to accomplish that you think you cannot do without plain old hard work?1 -
Someone recommended it since I have an injury, I'm trying to bulk and can't live heavy sometimes0
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I heard ostarine is a good one for building/retaining muscle growth and for endurance. I haven't taken it yet but here that it's good if your coming off of a cycle during PCT. Now that's just what I've heard and read. Most bodybuilders say not to waste the money on SARMS, but like the other guy said, it's a grey area like steriods and TRT. (testosterone replacement therapy--script from doctor only)0
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Yea I'm not messing with steroids ever0
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Yea it's not worth it in the long run. Just keep up with the diet and stregth training and you'll be good.1
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »a lot of companies that were producing (i.e. Blackstone Labs) them have since stopped likely for the reason @VKetoV mentioned - they'll probably be banned soon.
I think it's mostly due to the threat of law suits. I know that their is at least one supplement company that is suing others, and some small distributors, for some type of commercial tort (can't remember the exact claim), using CAD writs against them then basically trying to legally extort money. A judge recently ruled that the courts had no jurisdiction on this IIRC but more supplement companies are trying this tact by the looks of it.
I'm not a fan of the way the US government is treating steroids as if they were illegal drugs because of their use in cheating in sports - really the government shouldn't be trying to enforce fair play via the war on drugs - but I also think using this class of drugs strictly for performance or esthetics is not healthy and shouldn't be something a person should risk.
Possibly, but I'd say that's always a personal judgment call. For example, where do we draw the line? If a 50 year old man, who's T-levels are in the crapper, who's solely doing it for aesthetic/performance purposes, but also reaping health benefits in the process more justified than another?
Personally, I'd rather just see them removed from schedule altogether and keep them regulated and inspected like any OTC. At least then we'd have less occurances of people giving themselves intramuscular injections of bathtub brew.
True, but 50 is much lower than the target age for these drugs and it hasn't been established yet whether the benefits, increased muscle and bone density, outweigh the heath impacts. Also, research is on much lower levels than what a person will use for performance/esthetics so we have no idea of knowing how safe these are long term, especially for older users.0 -
BonyCastro wrote: »Someone recommended it since I have an injury, I'm trying to bulk and can't live heavy sometimes
There are some healing effects that have been shown but lifting heavy is going to impede recovery even if you can work around the injury. I would consult a physician rather than a "someone" about possible treatments.1 -
I heard ostarine is a good one for building/retaining muscle growth and for endurance. I haven't taken it yet but here that it's good if your coming off of a cycle during PCT. Now that's just what I've heard and read. Most bodybuilders say not to waste the money on SARMS, but like the other guy said, it's a grey area like steriods and TRT. (testosterone replacement therapy--script from doctor only)
I'm not sure what the PCT is for female users here. PCT for SARMS is actually a topic for debate since you have a much milder suppression and no shutdown risk by the looks of it. PCT usually involves SERMS, which have minimal impact on men but can really affect women. I don't know if women will experience enough post cycle issues with SARMS to warrant a PCT even if men needs it. This is a really new area and you are pretty much on your own.1 -
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