Need to lower cholesterol

nvmomketo wrote: »

crzycatlady1 wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

Traveler120 wrote: »

tomorrowperfume wrote: »

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The LCHF diet is intriguing, but also terrifying. While I think that maybe my General Practitioner isn't up on all the hip new cholesterol research, going strictly against her orders of "eat less saturated fat" is still a bit daunting of a first step.
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I was in a similar situation, my total chol went up to almost 300 mg/dl, LDL went over 200 and my doc said do something or else...statins. I was eating a LCHF diet/paleo at the time and wasn't that overweight at the time of the test, I was around 145 lbs, so it was the diet that was causing it.

I reversed my high cholesterol by cutting back on saturated fats, less meat in general, less butters, oils etc and started eating more whole grains, beans, lentils, oats, fruits and veg, plus exercise, and all my labs are back to normal range. So, check your current diet and evaluate the fat content and try cutting back and recheck in a couple months or so. It doesn't take too long to reverse it.

Also, the other poster's suggestion to read 'Cholesterol Clarity' is kinda interesting considering the author Jimmy Moore, still is and has been obese for years while touting his LCHF diet, and per his blog, has horrendously high cholesterol himself so, be warned.

So he changed his eating which caused his cholesterol to go up, made him less healthy, so he wrote a popular book about how to do that? That makes no sense. His cholesterol improved on a LCHF diet. Most peoples' do.

But no, LCHF is not for everyone. Good luck OP.

Don't have a clue who this guy is so I just looked him up-I thought it was interesting that he stopped posting 'after' pictures of himself in 2012 but I found some images of him from this year and yeah, they kind of speak for themselves. I wonder what his last blood work panels were, I couldn't find any recent info? Not really seeing how this guy could be considered a good role model or resource for sustainable weight loss and better health though, by looking at his recent pictures. Maybe I'm missing something?

Moore started out quite large. I'm guessing over 400lbs. He lost a good 150lbs, maintained that for a few years and then regained some weight. He is now using IF along with ketosis to slowly lower his weight.

I saw a talk by him at a conference or something. Yeah, he's heavy. No where near as heavy as he was. He just ate too much.I believe his lipid panels were okay still. Anyway, I thnk he is a stress eater who binges. That will make anyone gan weight. CI<CO, right?

He addresses his obesity here:

https://instagram.com/p/BDQ38dTzJh3/embed/

Thanks for the additional info!

Traveler120 wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

Traveler120 wrote: »

tomorrowperfume wrote: »

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The LCHF diet is intriguing, but also terrifying. While I think that maybe my General Practitioner isn't up on all the hip new cholesterol research, going strictly against her orders of "eat less saturated fat" is still a bit daunting of a first step.
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I was in a similar situation, my total chol went up to almost 300 mg/dl, LDL went over 200 and my doc said do something or else...statins. I was eating a LCHF diet/paleo at the time and wasn't that overweight at the time of the test, I was around 145 lbs, so it was the diet that was causing it.

I reversed my high cholesterol by cutting back on saturated fats, less meat in general, less butters, oils etc and started eating more whole grains, beans, lentils, oats, fruits and veg, plus exercise, and all my labs are back to normal range. So, check your current diet and evaluate the fat content and try cutting back and recheck in a couple months or so. It doesn't take too long to reverse it.

Also, the other poster's suggestion to read 'Cholesterol Clarity' is kinda interesting considering the author Jimmy Moore, still is and has been obese for years while touting his LCHF diet, and per his blog, has horrendously high cholesterol himself so, be warned.

So he changed his eating which caused his cholesterol to go up, made him less healthy, so he wrote a popular book about how to do that? That makes no sense. His cholesterol improved on a LCHF diet. Most peoples' do.

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Umm..no it did not. >http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/jimmy-moores-cholesterol-test-results-2008-2013/18256

Between 2008-2013, it went up then down back to where he started. His LDL went from 246 to 236 mg/dl (should be under 100). And total chol from 326 to 310 mg/dl (should be under 200). He published the Cholesterol Clarity book in 2013 so he was basing his book on that period. Basically those numbers are still more than 100 points over the recommended range. So, still bad.

And I see he has a more 'recent' update >http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/jimmy-moores-fall-2014-cholesterol-thyroid-and-other-health-test-results/23857
LDL 193 and Total Chol 288 mg/dl. I wouldn't call this...cholesterol "clarity".

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Overall, his cholesterol did improve. His triglycerides are low and HDL is great. LDL is a bit high but who cares? LDL-P is a bad one but his is low. His heart health is excellent.

I think you are basing your attack on some outdated ideas about cholesterol and heart health. Everything he says in Cholesterol Clarity is in agreement with the Great Cholesterol Myth and Cholesterol Con (can't remember which book has great in the title), as well as everything Attia says.
Try reading this:
http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/the-straight-dope-on-cholesterol-part-i
Or this:
http://eatingacademy.com/

Traveler120 wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

Traveler120 wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

Traveler120 wrote: »

tomorrowperfume wrote: »

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The LCHF diet is intriguing, but also terrifying. While I think that maybe my General Practitioner isn't up on all the hip new cholesterol research, going strictly against her orders of "eat less saturated fat" is still a bit daunting of a first step.
......

I was in a similar situation, my total chol went up to almost 300 mg/dl, LDL went over 200 and my doc said do something or else...statins. I was eating a LCHF diet/paleo at the time and wasn't that overweight at the time of the test, I was around 145 lbs, so it was the diet that was causing it.

I reversed my high cholesterol by cutting back on saturated fats, less meat in general, less butters, oils etc and started eating more whole grains, beans, lentils, oats, fruits and veg, plus exercise, and all my labs are back to normal range. So, check your current diet and evaluate the fat content and try cutting back and recheck in a couple months or so. It doesn't take too long to reverse it.

Also, the other poster's suggestion to read 'Cholesterol Clarity' is kinda interesting considering the author Jimmy Moore, still is and has been obese for years while touting his LCHF diet, and per his blog, has horrendously high cholesterol himself so, be warned.

So he changed his eating which caused his cholesterol to go up, made him less healthy, so he wrote a popular book about how to do that? That makes no sense. His cholesterol improved on a LCHF diet. Most peoples' do.

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Umm..no it did not. >http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/jimmy-moores-cholesterol-test-results-2008-2013/18256

Between 2008-2013, it went up then down back to where he started. His LDL went from 246 to 236 mg/dl (should be under 100). And total chol from 326 to 310 mg/dl (should be under 200). He published the Cholesterol Clarity book in 2013 so he was basing his book on that period. Basically those numbers are still more than 100 points over the recommended range. So, still bad.

And I see he has a more 'recent' update >http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/jimmy-moores-fall-2014-cholesterol-thyroid-and-other-health-test-results/23857
LDL 193 and Total Chol 288 mg/dl. I wouldn't call this...cholesterol "clarity".

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Overall, his cholesterol did improve. His triglycerides are low and HDL is great. LDL is a bit high but who cares? LDL-P is a bad one but his is low. His heart health is excellent.

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Yeah, sure, lets focus on HDL and Triglycerides which were in the normal range both before and after and ignore the obvious elephant in the room. Bottom line is, IF someone DOES care about lowering their LDL and total cholesterol, Jimmy Moore's lab history is a good example of what not to do. Why would the OP, or anyone, follow Jimmy's diet advice when he has way worse labs than she does and can't seem to get it together despite years of trying?

Meh. I've read enough stuff to no longer worry about LDL and heart health. It's about as revelant as hair colour... Of course, people with grey hair are more likely to suffer from CAD than those with brown hair so maybe I should take that back. LOL

LDL will usually stay about the same on a LCHF diet. That his mostly did is pretty much expected. Hardly an elephant.

I dunno. Cholesterol Clarity is pretty spot on. Try reading it.

Im taking statins been taking them again for about 3 months and for the first time ever my triglycerides are in the normal range. I have to do low fat too. 3 months of taking this new med is doing far more than years of the other statins with diet and exercise,no statins and diet and exercise,etc. my LDL-p came down over 700pts(yeah it was over 2000).my HDL is good,my LDL-c is only 11 points over the normal range. I had tried many ways of reducing it with and without meds. I do better with meds.for me just losing the weight and exercise and watching what I ate didnt amount to much. sometimes you have to add a statin or another kind of cholesterol lowering medication.

lynn_glenmont wrote: »

Since this thread is still active, I wanted to add something I came across that calls into question research I mentioned in my earlier post about lack of evidence for statins preventing first heart attacks -- it seems a meta-study released this fall did find some evidence for statins preventing first attacks in patients with risk factors. Here's a link to a news story about it, but the actual study was commissioned by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force and published in the Nov. 13, 2016, JAMA.

for some it may not prevent a heart attack. for others it might. in my case I will do what it takes to prevent that if I can.my grandma had high cholesterol most of her life. she took no meds,when she died she died from dementia, she never had a heart attack either, dont know what type of cholesterol she had. My dad died from a heart attack in his 60s(it stemmed from a severe asthma attack), but not sure if he had high cholesterol or not. I know he didnt take meds if he did.. I guess maybe in years to come we will see more studies on whether or not they prevent heart attacks or if it will be a one size does not fit all scenario.

fittocycle wrote: »

I applaud you for trying to lower your cholesterol first through lifestyle changes. I've read many articles on the pros and cons of statins and am also resistant to taking them as well.
Not sure if it's been covered but I would cut out processed sugar and foods. Eliminating "white foods" could help lower the triglycerides and LDL numbers. Your HDL number is perfect! If you're working out, then keep it up. If not, then it's time to add cardio, yoga, and weight traini.
Good quality fish oil and ground flaxseed added to your diet can help lower LDL. Adding in a small serving of nuts is great too. Be sure to eat lots of veggies as well.
This might sound strange but I take a couple capsules of artichoke extract and resveratrol each day to help lower my LDL. Seems to work so far!

I know this probably wasnt directed at me. but I have tried to lower mine through lifestyle changes and since its a hereditary(genetic) issue, that didnt work for me. I even cut out the processed foods,white foods,etc and still made NO impact even with exercise. fish oil didnt help either. but I do get a lot of flax,chia and hemp seed in my diet as well as a lot of fiber.I have done weight training and so on for the past 4 years(will be 5yrs in august).I have tried to lower it with and without statins. I have tried just about everything.

for me a low fat/high fiber diet and exercise,along with statins is what is working for me. I dont want to take them but I have to stick with what works.I take coQ10 too as statins rob your body of it,so I take them to replace some of it.It does help prevent a lot of the side effects that statins can cause.so far I have had no side effects. Im not saying that everyone needs to do what Im doing of course because what works for me may not work for another. But its worth trying without a statin and if you can bring it down then great. if not there are other meds besides statins that can lower cholesterol...I dont eat white foods,I try to make sure everything is whole grain(bread,spaghetti,etc).I also have to watch my processed and added sugars as my condition can lead to insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes.But so far my IR levels are normal.

I lowered my chloresterol over the last 4 months by going plant based, no dairy, or meat. It worked and I feel great. If your looking for some literature on a plant bsed diet, I recommend reading The China Study by Colin Campbell and How Not to Die by Dr. Michael Greger. Take Care!