Apple Cider Vinegar for FAT LOSS
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Just looking at that ad puts me in mind of the old 1920's "roll up, roll up, for Uncle John's miracle health tonic" sellers.
It's a total crock.
ACV is this years raspberry ketones, green tea extract, garcinia cambogia etc etc.
It just irks me that all this woo might make my salad dressing more expensive.3 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »Just looking at that ad puts me in mind of the old 1920's "roll up, roll up, for Uncle John's miracle health tonic" sellers.
It's a total crock.
ACV is this years raspberry ketones, green tea extract, garcinia cambogia etc etc.
It just irks me that all this woo might make my salad dressing more expensive.
IKR? And I always feel like I ought to explain myself at the supermarket checkout. "Look, I haven't fallen for the woo. It's for pulled pork, OK?"3 -
am i the only one who didnt get the "acv doesn't really work" memo? perhaps it doesn't help "burn fat" but i thought it helps with some health issues? someone throw some facts at me!
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BruinsGal_91 wrote: »How many more ACV threads are we going to see this week?
IT DOESN'T WORK FOR WEIGHT LOSS.
It makes great salad dress though.0 -
noemorales1022 wrote: »Oh wow, I guess I should read ALL the threads before posting something huh? My apologies if I increased your heart rate and got you closer to a heart attack with this post. I will have to agree about the terrible smell.
LOL, not even close, no apology needed. Hang around, you will see it all here and you will learn to separate the woo from the science. We will make you!0 -
noemorales1022 wrote: »Oh wow, I guess I should read ALL the threads before posting something huh? My apologies if I increased your heart rate and got you closer to a heart attack with this post. I will have to agree about the terrible smell.
LOL, not even close, no apology needed. Hang around, you will see it all here and you will learn to separate the woo from the science. We will make you!
Haha, thanks, i guess. It may not help you lose weight, but it's just one of those things that it doesn't hurt to take but it's also not a magic solution or a replacement for hard work in the gym and discipline in your diet. To which I am fully aware and am not a believer of "shortcuts" or magic pills or wraps, but I also respect science and if you can show me that you have credibility, I'll take a look at it. So if you don't have a degree or show me links to studies, I don't believe anything people say here.0 -
Also, it appears everyone here is an expert and has doctor's degree in nutrition, exercise physiology and chemistry. Who would've thought. Still, I appreciate all the zeal from this group.0
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It does work (over extended period of time) to reduce and or eliminate toe nail fungus.2
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noemorales1022 wrote: »Also, it appears everyone here is an expert and has doctor's degree in nutrition, exercise physiology and chemistry. Who would've thought. Still, I appreciate all the zeal from this group.
Not everyone, but many do and they are very helpful. Most are happy to share links to research and you will quickly learn who those people are. I just lurk and learn because my area of expertise is geology and has no relevance, even if we're talking rock hard abs.1 -
noemorales1022 wrote: »Also, it appears everyone here is an expert and has doctor's degree in nutrition, exercise physiology and chemistry. Who would've thought. Still, I appreciate all the zeal from this group.
Not everyone, but many do and they are very helpful. Most are happy to share links to research and you will quickly learn who those people are. I just lurk and learn because my area of expertise is geology and has no relevance, even if we're talking rock hard abs.
My wife has a PHD in Exercise Physiology and a BS in Biochemistry, while I have a Masters in Civil Engineering. So we believe in science and getting the right information and doing our own research. It's not hard to see here those that don't value science based information. Thanks for the heads up.1 -
noemorales1022 wrote: »Also, it appears everyone here is an expert and has doctor's degree in nutrition, exercise physiology and chemistry. Who would've thought. Still, I appreciate all the zeal from this group.
There are physiologists, chemists, Dietitians and other nutrition, fitness, medical and science professionals on this site...
But yeah, if you do a search on google scholar, you'll see that there are studies on ACV, but reading the conclusions should tell you that acv does has minuscule to no difference for weight loss. It's always CICO that is the clear winner.2 -
noemorales1022 wrote: »noemorales1022 wrote: »Also, it appears everyone here is an expert and has doctor's degree in nutrition, exercise physiology and chemistry. Who would've thought. Still, I appreciate all the zeal from this group.
Not everyone, but many do and they are very helpful. Most are happy to share links to research and you will quickly learn who those people are. I just lurk and learn because my area of expertise is geology and has no relevance, even if we're talking rock hard abs.
My wife has a PHD in Exercise Physiology and a BS in Biochemistry, while I have a Masters in Civil Engineering. So we believe in science and getting the right information and doing our own research. It's not hard to see here those that don't value science based information. Thanks for the heads up.
Actually, I've been to few forums where science based information is valued more highly. I believe many people here would be very interested to see the science based evidence that ACV has any value at all in fat loss, if you have some. Peer reviewed, of course.3 -
A cup of ACV, a cup of soy sauce, a table spoon of minced garlic, throw all together and put in some chicken and let it cook....................................chicken adobo.
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This month I have seen so many ACV threads. Like 10 times more than usual. What's up with that? Is there some sort of advertising blitz going on right now or what?
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noemorales1022 wrote: »noemorales1022 wrote: »Also, it appears everyone here is an expert and has doctor's degree in nutrition, exercise physiology and chemistry. Who would've thought. Still, I appreciate all the zeal from this group.
Not everyone, but many do and they are very helpful. Most are happy to share links to research and you will quickly learn who those people are. I just lurk and learn because my area of expertise is geology and has no relevance, even if we're talking rock hard abs.
My wife has a PHD in Exercise Physiology and a BS in Biochemistry, while I have a Masters in Civil Engineering. So we believe in science and getting the right information and doing our own research. It's not hard to see here those that don't value science based information. Thanks for the heads up.
There were a couple of us interested to know if you had read the study. You didn't respond, so it's hard to engage in a scientific discussion. It's interesting to me that you claim to be interested in the science and yet have been unwilling to engage in discussing said science, but rather sling mud at the community for not engaging in the discussion. Ironic, much?6 -
Link to the study from the graphic in the OP. http://dx.doi.org/10.1271/bbb.90231
Pretty small, n=175. Claims to show significant weight loss in obese subjects compared to placebo. Study was in Japan, so obesity was determined by Japanese standards with BMI 25-30, mean BMI of study participants 27.2. Subjects randomized into 3 groups, placebo (n=58), low dose (150 mg/ml acetic acid, n=59), and high dose (300 mg/ml n=58). Placebo was lactic acid at 250 mg/ml to simulate the taste of vinegar. Subjects were given 500 ml of the test solution split into 2 doses. Subjects kept a diary of foods with macros analyzed by a standard software suite, and were asked to avoid drinking more than 25 ml of alcohol per day, and to avoid other vinegar-containing foods and drinks. 14 people dropped out before the study was complete.
They appeared to find some differences among the groups, with more fat and weight loss in the vinegar-taking groups to what may be a misleading amount of statistical significance given the small size of the groups and the fact that this is a single study only. It's a mistake to cite this study as if it were conclusive -- as that big YES in the graphic implies; it ought to be "maybe...?" -- but it's interesting and suggests more research should be done. But "maybe...?" doesn't sell vinegar, does it?
Incidentally, they seem to have chosen apple cider vinegar not for any particular properties, but because its flavor is favored among Japanese. Study authors make no claims for apple cider vinegar per se, just for acetic acid. You might as well just drink cheap white vinegar.1 -
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Incidentally, they seem to have chosen apple cider vinegar not for any particular properties, but because its flavor is favored among Japanese. Study authors make no claims for apple cider vinegar per se, just for acetic acid. You might as well just drink cheap white vinegar.
Personally, I prefer the taste of white vinegar.0 -
Yes. To be honest, I was super shocked by the responses, but I responded as soon as I could. I did read the study and like any study, it did lack some things to make it completely valid. Number of participants, hard to keep track of what the participants where eating, anyway, thebhumas is complex and we all react differently to certain things. Although it may not have any effect on anyone, due to their intake of the nutrients/components that ACV offers, it may help others. Anyway, I will try to respon faster and not be afraid of being kicked out for posting "another" ACV thread.nutmegoreo wrote: »noemorales1022 wrote: »noemorales1022 wrote: »Also, it appears everyone here is an expert and has doctor's degree in nutrition, exercise physiology and chemistry. Who would've thought. Still, I appreciate all the zeal from this group.
Not everyone, but many do and they are very helpful. Most are happy to share links to research and you will quickly learn who those people are. I just lurk and learn because my area of expertise is geology and has no relevance, even if we're talking rock hard abs.
My wife has a PHD in Exercise Physiology and a BS in Biochemistry, while I have a Masters in Civil Engineering. So we believe in science and getting the right information and doing our own research. It's not hard to see here those that don't value science based information. Thanks for the heads up.
There were a couple of us interested to know if you had read the study. You didn't respond, so it's hard to engage in a scientific discussion. It's interesting to me that you claim to be interested in the science and yet have been unwilling to engage in discussing said science, but rather sling mud at the community for not engaging in the discussion. Ironic, much?
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Link to the study from the graphic in the OP. http://dx.doi.org/10.1271/bbb.90231
Pretty small, n=175. Claims to show significant weight loss in obese subjects compared to placebo. Study was in Japan, so obesity was determined by Japanese standards with BMI 25-30, mean BMI of study participants 27.2. Subjects randomized into 3 groups, placebo (n=58), low dose (150 mg/ml acetic acid, n=59), and high dose (300 mg/ml n=58). Placebo was lactic acid at 250 mg/ml to simulate the taste of vinegar. Subjects were given 500 ml of the test solution split into 2 doses. Subjects kept a diary of foods with macros analyzed by a standard software suite, and were asked to avoid drinking more than 25 ml of alcohol per day, and to avoid other vinegar-containing foods and drinks. 14 people dropped out before the study was complete.
They appeared to find some differences among the groups, with more fat and weight loss in the vinegar-taking groups to what may be a misleading amount of statistical significance given the small size of the groups and the fact that this is a single study only. It's a mistake to cite this study as if it were conclusive -- as that big YES in the graphic implies; it ought to be "maybe...?" -- but it's interesting and suggests more research should be done. But "maybe...?" doesn't sell vinegar, does it?
Incidentally, they seem to have chosen apple cider vinegar not for any particular properties, but because its flavor is favored among Japanese. Study authors make no claims for apple cider vinegar per se, just for acetic acid. You might as well just drink cheap white vinegar.
Thank you! I was hoping more of these kind of responses. You're absolutely right about the study though, and like I said. Our body super more complex and one study is insufficient. There's almost always an agenda.
But hey, next time, i will be careful what I post about and try to respond sonner.0
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