Tired of some folks
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
I've chosen to not post rather than say what I want to sometimes. I like it here and don't want to get banned.Therealobi1 wrote: »OP some people like to complain it makes them feel better
you can either tell them to do something about it if they keep yakking on about the same thing
or you can zone them out
@MrsKila - You're spot on. It's frustrating. What tempers my replies though are my wife, daughter and a good friend. They all finally started after watching me for a year, saying they're going to do something, and never doing it, and then finally starting after seeing my results.
My wife is down 20 lbs now, and started strength training.
The forum folks - I'm learning how to just not see their threads any more lol.
I've perfected the fine art of skimming contributions from certain posters. I'm sure some feel the same about me.
I enjoy reading your posts. Waves!
And #truth, there some user names I recognize as posting wisery, some for wisecrackery and some ... well, some I just can't take. To each their own. I learn so much here, including how I don't want to treat people when I'm on anonymous message boards on the internet. 2 -
Wow, I have to admit I am being emotionally convicted by these post (THANKS). I felt as if I did really well the whole week last week and had an awesome workout on Saturday. Lost two lbs but the scale says I gained it right back. I felt like I was going crazy and it's all due to that "CHEAT DAY" nonsense. I was telling my husband the whole weekend I was allowed one but "NO" I'm not. My body rejected it so a cheat day is nonsense. Thank you for all your comments. It help me to reset. First time and last time for a cheat day. Who ever needs one can have mine. Thanks Guys
I don't cheat, I just eat.2 -
annmareeofoz wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »annmareeofoz wrote: »Oh I also meant to say, that my nutrition coach at the gym even said to me, that it's not just a cheat day and then it's over and that's it... It continues beyond that... (I'm paraphrasing what I remember she said) because your gut has a balance of enzymes and bacteria etc and even your overall body levels can be affected - so even a cheat meal can upset that balance, and kill off your good bacteria meaning your body has to work hard to get over that sudden influx or sugar, or sodium or carbs or whatever was in that cheat meal, or cheat day.
It definitely gave me something to think about, and gave me, personally, all the more reason to not allow huge indulgences.
Ask your nutrition coach for some peer reviewed scientific references that support that logic...
I don't believe in cheat meals from a psychological standpoint, as I believe that perpetuates the whole "good food/bad food" dichotomy that is so mentally unhealthy for so many people. I believe in working in the foods I want every day, but that doesn't mean I don't often bank calories for a more indulgent weekend meal or a couple of days on vacation. As long as the indulgence doesn't wipe out your weekly deficit, then it doesn't have lasting negative impact for weight loss, aside from usually a temporary spike in water weight.
Gut bacteria seems to be one of the trendy topics of the moment when it comes to weight loss and overall health. If eating donuts or pizza, or other typical "cheat" meals caused your body to stop functioning optimally and derailed progress- there wouldn't be so many successful people on this site who lost weight while indulging, at whatever frequency they feel comfortable with.
And where's your peer reviewed scientific references in denial of it? Works both ways...
Besides - I'm talking about OVER-indulgence, and drastic changes from the norm, not just a treat here and there that is incorporated into your meal plans. I'm talking about a binge or large 'cheat' that drastically differs from your regular plan. I personally know that on a day where I've stumbled and gobbled up a large pack of Doritos, I can definitely feel it the next few days, especially in my stomach and colon (bowel movements) and it definitely affects my blood pressure readings, and it takes a while for everything to return back to normal again afterward.
It's a reasonable expectation and bit of advice - by all means everyone's entitled to believe what ever they want. I didn't come to debate or argue, only to advise and assist, but hey I forgot forums like this just love to pick apart others and argue to make themselves feel better. So continue your Carry-On if it makes you feel more superior and better about yourself!
The burden of proof is with you - you made the claim
LOGICAL FALLACY:
You said that the burden of proof lies not with the person making the claim, but with someone else to disprove.
The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove. The inability, or disinclination, to disprove a claim does not render that claim valid, nor give it any credence whatsoever. However it is important to note that we can never be certain of anything, and so we must assign value to any claim based on the available evidence, and to dismiss something on the basis that it hasn't been proven beyond all doubt is also fallacious reasoning.
Example: Bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the Sun between the Earth and Mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
lol nope, I just paraphrased advice someone else had given to me at one point... I even used the term paraphrasing. I never once CLAIMED it was 100% true, or studied, did I????
I just said it gave me MYSELF in my opinion, a pause for thought on what /I/ do, and how I think about food and cheats/treats etc.
So, again, tell me how you're not just trying to argue for the sake of argument, to make yourself feel better in life?
Do you really think a health/fitness weight loss forum on the internet has to full of completely peer reviewed studies on every single bit of opinion or advice?
I'm sure if we looked back at your posts we'd see some erroneous replies.
Anywho, as I said have fun with your carry-on - you'll have to do it without me. Thanks for showing me why I don't bother to participate in these forums, people always ruin everything.
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annmareeofoz wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »annmareeofoz wrote: »Oh I also meant to say, that my nutrition coach at the gym even said to me, that it's not just a cheat day and then it's over and that's it... It continues beyond that... (I'm paraphrasing what I remember she said) because your gut has a balance of enzymes and bacteria etc and even your overall body levels can be affected - so even a cheat meal can upset that balance, and kill off your good bacteria meaning your body has to work hard to get over that sudden influx or sugar, or sodium or carbs or whatever was in that cheat meal, or cheat day.
It definitely gave me something to think about, and gave me, personally, all the more reason to not allow huge indulgences.
Ask your nutrition coach for some peer reviewed scientific references that support that logic...
I don't believe in cheat meals from a psychological standpoint, as I believe that perpetuates the whole "good food/bad food" dichotomy that is so mentally unhealthy for so many people. I believe in working in the foods I want every day, but that doesn't mean I don't often bank calories for a more indulgent weekend meal or a couple of days on vacation. As long as the indulgence doesn't wipe out your weekly deficit, then it doesn't have lasting negative impact for weight loss, aside from usually a temporary spike in water weight.
Gut bacteria seems to be one of the trendy topics of the moment when it comes to weight loss and overall health. If eating donuts or pizza, or other typical "cheat" meals caused your body to stop functioning optimally and derailed progress- there wouldn't be so many successful people on this site who lost weight while indulging, at whatever frequency they feel comfortable with.
And where's your peer reviewed scientific references in denial of it? Works both ways...
Besides - I'm talking about OVER-indulgence, and drastic changes from the norm, not just a treat here and there that is incorporated into your meal plans. I'm talking about a binge or large 'cheat' that drastically differs from your regular plan. I personally know that on a day where I've stumbled and gobbled up a large pack of Doritos, I can definitely feel it the next few days, especially in my stomach and colon (bowel movements) and it definitely affects my blood pressure readings, and it takes a while for everything to return back to normal again afterward. So that is enough for me to believe there MAY be SOME merit to the idea.
It's at least a reasonable expectation and bit of advice that a large cheat/binge from your norm will affect your body -regardless of your beliefs on bacteria/enzyme etc.
By all means everyone's entitled to believe what ever they want. I didn't come to debate or argue, only to advise and assist, but hey I forgot forums like this just love to pick apart others and argue despite a post being made free of contention.
As I say to my daughter all the time, we don't have to like the same things we don't always share the same oppinion
It's not arguing1 -
annmareeofoz wrote: »annmareeofoz wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »annmareeofoz wrote: »Oh I also meant to say, that my nutrition coach at the gym even said to me, that it's not just a cheat day and then it's over and that's it... It continues beyond that... (I'm paraphrasing what I remember she said) because your gut has a balance of enzymes and bacteria etc and even your overall body levels can be affected - so even a cheat meal can upset that balance, and kill off your good bacteria meaning your body has to work hard to get over that sudden influx or sugar, or sodium or carbs or whatever was in that cheat meal, or cheat day.
It definitely gave me something to think about, and gave me, personally, all the more reason to not allow huge indulgences.
Ask your nutrition coach for some peer reviewed scientific references that support that logic...
I don't believe in cheat meals from a psychological standpoint, as I believe that perpetuates the whole "good food/bad food" dichotomy that is so mentally unhealthy for so many people. I believe in working in the foods I want every day, but that doesn't mean I don't often bank calories for a more indulgent weekend meal or a couple of days on vacation. As long as the indulgence doesn't wipe out your weekly deficit, then it doesn't have lasting negative impact for weight loss, aside from usually a temporary spike in water weight.
Gut bacteria seems to be one of the trendy topics of the moment when it comes to weight loss and overall health. If eating donuts or pizza, or other typical "cheat" meals caused your body to stop functioning optimally and derailed progress- there wouldn't be so many successful people on this site who lost weight while indulging, at whatever frequency they feel comfortable with.
And where's your peer reviewed scientific references in denial of it? Works both ways...
Besides - I'm talking about OVER-indulgence, and drastic changes from the norm, not just a treat here and there that is incorporated into your meal plans. I'm talking about a binge or large 'cheat' that drastically differs from your regular plan. I personally know that on a day where I've stumbled and gobbled up a large pack of Doritos, I can definitely feel it the next few days, especially in my stomach and colon (bowel movements) and it definitely affects my blood pressure readings, and it takes a while for everything to return back to normal again afterward.
It's a reasonable expectation and bit of advice - by all means everyone's entitled to believe what ever they want. I didn't come to debate or argue, only to advise and assist, but hey I forgot forums like this just love to pick apart others and argue to make themselves feel better. So continue your Carry-On if it makes you feel more superior and better about yourself!
The burden of proof is with you - you made the claim
LOGICAL FALLACY:
You said that the burden of proof lies not with the person making the claim, but with someone else to disprove.
The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove. The inability, or disinclination, to disprove a claim does not render that claim valid, nor give it any credence whatsoever. However it is important to note that we can never be certain of anything, and so we must assign value to any claim based on the available evidence, and to dismiss something on the basis that it hasn't been proven beyond all doubt is also fallacious reasoning.
Example: Bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the Sun between the Earth and Mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
lol nope, I just paraphrased advice someone else had given to me at one point... I even used the term paraphrasing. I never once CLAIMED it was 100% true, or studied, did I????
I just said it gave me MYSELF in my opinion, a pause for thought on what /I/ do, and how I think about food and cheats/treats etc.
So, again, tell me how you're not just trying to argue for the sake of argument, to make yourself feel better in life?
Do you really think a health/fitness weight loss forum on the internet has to full of completely peer reviewed studies on every single bit of opinion or advice?
I'm sure if we looked back at your posts we'd see some erroneous replies.
Anywho, as I said have fun with your carry-on - you'll have to do it without me. Thanks for showing me why I don't bother to participate in these forums, people always ruin everything.
Your a member just like the rest of us, post away
Don't feel like that1 -
Lol, I'm never tired of it. I just tell them they are full of crap and if they really want to do this, then we'll talk. If not, I got some cheese for that whine.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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Lol, I'm never tired of it. I just tell them they are full of crap and if they really want to do this, then we'll talk. If not, I got some cheese for that whine.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Lol, your so polite don't believe that ha,
Have you used that on clients0 -
annmareeofoz wrote: »annmareeofoz wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »annmareeofoz wrote: »Oh I also meant to say, that my nutrition coach at the gym even said to me, that it's not just a cheat day and then it's over and that's it... It continues beyond that... (I'm paraphrasing what I remember she said) because your gut has a balance of enzymes and bacteria etc and even your overall body levels can be affected - so even a cheat meal can upset that balance, and kill off your good bacteria meaning your body has to work hard to get over that sudden influx or sugar, or sodium or carbs or whatever was in that cheat meal, or cheat day.
It definitely gave me something to think about, and gave me, personally, all the more reason to not allow huge indulgences.
Ask your nutrition coach for some peer reviewed scientific references that support that logic...
I don't believe in cheat meals from a psychological standpoint, as I believe that perpetuates the whole "good food/bad food" dichotomy that is so mentally unhealthy for so many people. I believe in working in the foods I want every day, but that doesn't mean I don't often bank calories for a more indulgent weekend meal or a couple of days on vacation. As long as the indulgence doesn't wipe out your weekly deficit, then it doesn't have lasting negative impact for weight loss, aside from usually a temporary spike in water weight.
Gut bacteria seems to be one of the trendy topics of the moment when it comes to weight loss and overall health. If eating donuts or pizza, or other typical "cheat" meals caused your body to stop functioning optimally and derailed progress- there wouldn't be so many successful people on this site who lost weight while indulging, at whatever frequency they feel comfortable with.
And where's your peer reviewed scientific references in denial of it? Works both ways...
Besides - I'm talking about OVER-indulgence, and drastic changes from the norm, not just a treat here and there that is incorporated into your meal plans. I'm talking about a binge or large 'cheat' that drastically differs from your regular plan. I personally know that on a day where I've stumbled and gobbled up a large pack of Doritos, I can definitely feel it the next few days, especially in my stomach and colon (bowel movements) and it definitely affects my blood pressure readings, and it takes a while for everything to return back to normal again afterward.
It's a reasonable expectation and bit of advice - by all means everyone's entitled to believe what ever they want. I didn't come to debate or argue, only to advise and assist, but hey I forgot forums like this just love to pick apart others and argue to make themselves feel better. So continue your Carry-On if it makes you feel more superior and better about yourself!
The burden of proof is with you - you made the claim
LOGICAL FALLACY:
You said that the burden of proof lies not with the person making the claim, but with someone else to disprove.
The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove. The inability, or disinclination, to disprove a claim does not render that claim valid, nor give it any credence whatsoever. However it is important to note that we can never be certain of anything, and so we must assign value to any claim based on the available evidence, and to dismiss something on the basis that it hasn't been proven beyond all doubt is also fallacious reasoning.
Example: Bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the Sun between the Earth and Mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
lol nope, I just paraphrased advice someone else had given to me at one point... I even used the term paraphrasing. I never once CLAIMED it was 100% true, or studied, did I????
I just said it gave me MYSELF in my opinion, a pause for thought on what /I/ do, and how I think about food and cheats/treats etc.
So, again, tell me how you're not just trying to argue for the sake of argument, to make yourself feel better in life?
Do you really think a health/fitness weight loss forum on the internet has to full of completely peer reviewed studies on every single bit of opinion or advice?
I'm sure if we looked back at your posts we'd see some erroneous replies.
Anywho, as I said have fun with your carry-on - you'll have to do it without me. Thanks for showing me why I don't bother to participate in these forums, people always ruin everything.
Whoa. Overreact much?3 -
annmareeofoz wrote: »annmareeofoz wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »annmareeofoz wrote: »Oh I also meant to say, that my nutrition coach at the gym even said to me, that it's not just a cheat day and then it's over and that's it... It continues beyond that... (I'm paraphrasing what I remember she said) because your gut has a balance of enzymes and bacteria etc and even your overall body levels can be affected - so even a cheat meal can upset that balance, and kill off your good bacteria meaning your body has to work hard to get over that sudden influx or sugar, or sodium or carbs or whatever was in that cheat meal, or cheat day.
It definitely gave me something to think about, and gave me, personally, all the more reason to not allow huge indulgences.
Ask your nutrition coach for some peer reviewed scientific references that support that logic...
I don't believe in cheat meals from a psychological standpoint, as I believe that perpetuates the whole "good food/bad food" dichotomy that is so mentally unhealthy for so many people. I believe in working in the foods I want every day, but that doesn't mean I don't often bank calories for a more indulgent weekend meal or a couple of days on vacation. As long as the indulgence doesn't wipe out your weekly deficit, then it doesn't have lasting negative impact for weight loss, aside from usually a temporary spike in water weight.
Gut bacteria seems to be one of the trendy topics of the moment when it comes to weight loss and overall health. If eating donuts or pizza, or other typical "cheat" meals caused your body to stop functioning optimally and derailed progress- there wouldn't be so many successful people on this site who lost weight while indulging, at whatever frequency they feel comfortable with.
And where's your peer reviewed scientific references in denial of it? Works both ways...
Besides - I'm talking about OVER-indulgence, and drastic changes from the norm, not just a treat here and there that is incorporated into your meal plans. I'm talking about a binge or large 'cheat' that drastically differs from your regular plan. I personally know that on a day where I've stumbled and gobbled up a large pack of Doritos, I can definitely feel it the next few days, especially in my stomach and colon (bowel movements) and it definitely affects my blood pressure readings, and it takes a while for everything to return back to normal again afterward.
It's a reasonable expectation and bit of advice - by all means everyone's entitled to believe what ever they want. I didn't come to debate or argue, only to advise and assist, but hey I forgot forums like this just love to pick apart others and argue to make themselves feel better. So continue your Carry-On if it makes you feel more superior and better about yourself!
The burden of proof is with you - you made the claim
LOGICAL FALLACY:
You said that the burden of proof lies not with the person making the claim, but with someone else to disprove.
The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove. The inability, or disinclination, to disprove a claim does not render that claim valid, nor give it any credence whatsoever. However it is important to note that we can never be certain of anything, and so we must assign value to any claim based on the available evidence, and to dismiss something on the basis that it hasn't been proven beyond all doubt is also fallacious reasoning.
Example: Bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the Sun between the Earth and Mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
lol nope, I just paraphrased advice someone else had given to me at one point... I even used the term paraphrasing. I never once CLAIMED it was 100% true, or studied, did I????
I just said it gave me MYSELF in my opinion, a pause for thought on what /I/ do, and how I think about food and cheats/treats etc.
So, again, tell me how you're not just trying to argue for the sake of argument, to make yourself feel better in life?
Do you really think a health/fitness weight loss forum on the internet has to full of completely peer reviewed studies on every single bit of opinion or advice?
I'm sure if we looked back at your posts we'd see some erroneous replies.
Anywho, as I said have fun with your carry-on - you'll have to do it without me. Thanks for showing me why I don't bother to participate in these forums, people always ruin everything.
And this is why I suggested you ask your "nutrition coach" for some scientific reasoning behind these claims... I know they aren't your claims, but differentiating the woo and pseudoscience from the legitimate science is something that people often struggle with, and can often end up wasting so much time on things that ultimately offer them no benefit or assistance toward achieving their goals...
Sure we've all believed in things we've read or heard that turn out to not be true... but what is great about this site is that the users for the most part do hold legitimate science above all the "I believe" or "I feel" methodologies and certainly above the unnecessary and potentially dangerous weight loss trends propagated by the diet industry...
Telling you to ask your coach for the science behind her claims isn't meant to embarrass you. It is meant to help you understand that maybe she hasn't put you on the right track. Now if you choose to avoid cheat meals because you feel they derail you mentally or make you feel bad physically, I have no problem with that. As I said, I don't really follow that philosophy either. However, I do think you should understand that the gut bacteria stuff is way overstated and that there's not a physiological reason that cheat meals would have a prolonged impact, again, assuming a person doesn't suffer from BED or other eating disorders and we are talking about things of that nature.
Take a deep breath and try not to read so much into these posts. They aren't criticizing you... they are challenging woo and a booming diet industry that preys on people...13 -
Well, not the cheese with whine line, but I've been asked so many times in the gym by members of why they aren't losing weight. The usual responses are "I'm eating healthy and working out everyday", but when I respond with "you're likely eating more than you burn", it becomes very defensive after. It's then that I say "I've given you the correct information. When you're really ready to do it, then I'm here."Therealobi1 wrote: »Lol, I'm never tired of it. I just tell them they are full of crap and if they really want to do this, then we'll talk. If not, I got some cheese for that whine.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Lol, your so polite don't believe that ha,
Have you used that on clients
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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Well in honesty, your nutrition coach gave you a load of bull. Different foods will affect HORMONE levels and that's likely what causes people to feel different when they eat them.annmareeofoz wrote: »Oh I also meant to say, that my nutrition coach at the gym even said to me, that it's not just a cheat day and then it's over and that's it... It continues beyond that... (I'm paraphrasing what I remember she said) because your gut has a balance of enzymes and bacteria etc and even your overall body levels can be affected - so even a cheat meal can upset that balance, and kill off your good bacteria meaning your body has to work hard to get over that sudden influx or sugar, or sodium or carbs or whatever was in that cheat meal, or cheat day.
It definitely gave me something to think about, and gave me, personally, all the more reason to not allow huge indulgences.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition 9 -
annmareeofoz wrote: »annmareeofoz wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »annmareeofoz wrote: »Oh I also meant to say, that my nutrition coach at the gym even said to me, that it's not just a cheat day and then it's over and that's it... It continues beyond that... (I'm paraphrasing what I remember she said) because your gut has a balance of enzymes and bacteria etc and even your overall body levels can be affected - so even a cheat meal can upset that balance, and kill off your good bacteria meaning your body has to work hard to get over that sudden influx or sugar, or sodium or carbs or whatever was in that cheat meal, or cheat day.
It definitely gave me something to think about, and gave me, personally, all the more reason to not allow huge indulgences.
Ask your nutrition coach for some peer reviewed scientific references that support that logic...
I don't believe in cheat meals from a psychological standpoint, as I believe that perpetuates the whole "good food/bad food" dichotomy that is so mentally unhealthy for so many people. I believe in working in the foods I want every day, but that doesn't mean I don't often bank calories for a more indulgent weekend meal or a couple of days on vacation. As long as the indulgence doesn't wipe out your weekly deficit, then it doesn't have lasting negative impact for weight loss, aside from usually a temporary spike in water weight.
Gut bacteria seems to be one of the trendy topics of the moment when it comes to weight loss and overall health. If eating donuts or pizza, or other typical "cheat" meals caused your body to stop functioning optimally and derailed progress- there wouldn't be so many successful people on this site who lost weight while indulging, at whatever frequency they feel comfortable with.
And where's your peer reviewed scientific references in denial of it? Works both ways...
Besides - I'm talking about OVER-indulgence, and drastic changes from the norm, not just a treat here and there that is incorporated into your meal plans. I'm talking about a binge or large 'cheat' that drastically differs from your regular plan. I personally know that on a day where I've stumbled and gobbled up a large pack of Doritos, I can definitely feel it the next few days, especially in my stomach and colon (bowel movements) and it definitely affects my blood pressure readings, and it takes a while for everything to return back to normal again afterward.
It's a reasonable expectation and bit of advice - by all means everyone's entitled to believe what ever they want. I didn't come to debate or argue, only to advise and assist, but hey I forgot forums like this just love to pick apart others and argue to make themselves feel better. So continue your Carry-On if it makes you feel more superior and better about yourself!
The burden of proof is with you - you made the claim
LOGICAL FALLACY:
You said that the burden of proof lies not with the person making the claim, but with someone else to disprove.
The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove. The inability, or disinclination, to disprove a claim does not render that claim valid, nor give it any credence whatsoever. However it is important to note that we can never be certain of anything, and so we must assign value to any claim based on the available evidence, and to dismiss something on the basis that it hasn't been proven beyond all doubt is also fallacious reasoning.
Example: Bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the Sun between the Earth and Mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
lol nope, I just paraphrased advice someone else had given to me at one point... I even used the term paraphrasing. I never once CLAIMED it was 100% true, or studied, did I????
I just said it gave me MYSELF in my opinion, a pause for thought on what /I/ do, and how I think about food and cheats/treats etc.
So, again, tell me how you're not just trying to argue for the sake of argument, to make yourself feel better in life?
Do you really think a health/fitness weight loss forum on the internet has to full of completely peer reviewed studies on every single bit of opinion or advice?
I'm sure if we looked back at your posts we'd see some erroneous replies.
Anywho, as I said have fun with your carry-on - you'll have to do it without me. Thanks for showing me why I don't bother to participate in these forums, people always ruin everything.
It's not that serious. Have a Snickers.2 -
annmareeofoz wrote: »Oh I also meant to say, that my nutrition coach at the gym even said to me, that it's not just a cheat day and then it's over and that's it... It continues beyond that... (I'm paraphrasing what I remember she said) because your gut has a balance of enzymes and bacteria etc and even your overall body levels can be affected - so even a cheat meal can upset that balance, and kill off your good bacteria meaning your body has to work hard to get over that sudden influx or sugar, or sodium or carbs or whatever was in that cheat meal, or cheat day.
It definitely gave me something to think about, and gave me, personally, all the more reason to not allow huge indulgences.
At first I thought you may have been referring to the yo-yo dieting and gut bacteria study that was in the news not long ago, so I took 2 minutes and did a search - could they be thinking about this study? Not sure how long ago you and your nutrition coach spoke, as this is relatively recent:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/mnfr.201500815/abstract
And here is one of the authors talking about the study: https://theconversation.com/eating-healthily-during-the-week-but-bingeing-on-weekends-is-not-ok-for-your-gut-533743 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Monchichi3 wrote: »What I would like to say to those people is stop restricting so much that you feel you need a cheat day. Drop that kind of mindset and you will probably have more sustainable weight loss. Just eat the food you like every day in smaller portions. Learn to moderate.[/quote]
This mindset is what also gets some into trouble. Not all manufactured foods were designed to be eaten in moderation. How does one moderate certain foods purposely designed to eat more?
Many regain weight by slowly eating more and more "foods they like" (foods manufactured for the purpose of eating more) and then they are back at square one. Then they become people referenced in the op. For those that have the type of discipline to sustain eating everything in moderation, kudos.
When you cook for your friends, family, coworkers or even yourself, you don't try to make the food as delicious as possible, and feel a sense of pride when someone asks for seconds?
That depends. Realizing that what anyone finds delicious is going to be based on individual preference, I do the best I can. People like it or they don't. Personally everything I prepare doesn't have to be "delicious as possible" given time constraints or even motivation to make it so.
I read some of the other replies to my posts. Why so snarky and defensive when someone suggests that if a food is too difficult to limit, don't eat it or include it in a WOE? Again, kudos to those that can do it. To those who responded thoughtfully and without making assumptions, I appreciate it.0 -
Monchichi3 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Monchichi3 wrote: »What I would like to say to those people is stop restricting so much that you feel you need a cheat day. Drop that kind of mindset and you will probably have more sustainable weight loss. Just eat the food you like every day in smaller portions. Learn to moderate.[/quote]
This mindset is what also gets some into trouble. Not all manufactured foods were designed to be eaten in moderation. How does one moderate certain foods purposely designed to eat more?
Many regain weight by slowly eating more and more "foods they like" (foods manufactured for the purpose of eating more) and then they are back at square one. Then they become people referenced in the op. For those that have the type of discipline to sustain eating everything in moderation, kudos.
When you cook for your friends, family, coworkers or even yourself, you don't try to make the food as delicious as possible, and feel a sense of pride when someone asks for seconds?
That depends. Realizing that what anyone finds delicious is going to be based on individual preference, I do the best I can. People like it or they don't. Personally everything I prepare doesn't have to be "delicious as possible" given time constraints or even motivation to make it so.
I read some of the other replies to my posts. Why so snarky and defensive when someone suggests that if a food is too difficult to limit, don't eat it or include it in a WOE? Again, kudos to those that can do it. To those who responded thoughtfully and without making assumptions, I appreciate it.
If you took my comments as snarky or defensive, that wasn't my intent. I was attempting to address my interpretations of your comments early on in the thread that food manufacturers who work to make their foods taste good are somehow nefarious and to be blamed for some people's difficulty in moderating those foods.
While I understand that people may have certain trigger foods that they have difficulty moderating, I believe this is largely a behavioral characteristic rather than a sinister plot by Big Food. Of course food manufacturers want the foods they produce to be tasty so that people by more of them. That's how business works. It's also how my own kitchen operates - I want my food to taste good so that people enjoy eating it.
I think personal accountability and an understanding that moderation is a learned, practiced behavior is important. That's not to say that for some folks, abstaining isn't also a good strategy. There are countless people on this site who find success through abstaining from foods they have difficulty moderating. That's still a choice though, and a nod to personal accountability, rather than "I have to cut this food out because someone designed it to be too tempting and I won't be able to ever say no".
I still would be interested in understanding your original claim that "not all manufactured foods were designed to be eaten in moderation. How does one moderate certain foods purposely designed to eat more?". Do you have examples of what these foods are? And are you saying that you don't believe anyone can moderate these foods?0 -
annmareeofoz wrote: »
lol nope, I just paraphrased advice someone else had given to me at one point... I even used the term paraphrasing. I never once CLAIMED it was 100% true, or studied, did I????
I just said it gave me MYSELF in my opinion, a pause for thought on what /I/ do, and how I think about food and cheats/treats etc.
So, again, tell me how you're not just trying to argue for the sake of argument, to make yourself feel better in life?
Do you really think a health/fitness weight loss forum on the internet has to full of completely peer reviewed studies on every single bit of opinion or advice?
I'm sure if we looked back at your posts we'd see some erroneous replies.
Anywho, as I said have fun with your carry-on - you'll have to do it without me. Thanks for showing me why I don't bother to participate in these forums, people always ruin everything.
Is it wrong to say I'm tired of over-reactions to questioning someone's opinion?
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I didn't think you were being snarky in your original post. However, you and others are making assumptions and reading things I didn't write nor intend. Did I say food manufacturers were nefarious....that their was a sinister plot? It appears people want me to be saying something different than what was posted. In order to make more money they design goods to create demand. That isn't a novel concept. I used an example. Another example - If raw cashews trigger one too eat more than budgeted and to want more later but you want to have nuts in your food plan, try walnuts.
Disclaimer: I don't believe cashews are out to get me.0 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »annmareeofoz wrote: »
lol nope, I just paraphrased advice someone else had given to me at one point... I even used the term paraphrasing. I never once CLAIMED it was 100% true, or studied, did I????
I just said it gave me MYSELF in my opinion, a pause for thought on what /I/ do, and how I think about food and cheats/treats etc.
So, again, tell me how you're not just trying to argue for the sake of argument, to make yourself feel better in life?
Do you really think a health/fitness weight loss forum on the internet has to full of completely peer reviewed studies on every single bit of opinion or advice?
I'm sure if we looked back at your posts we'd see some erroneous replies.
Anywho, as I said have fun with your carry-on - you'll have to do it without me. Thanks for showing me why I don't bother to participate in these forums, people always ruin everything.
Is it wrong to say I'm tired of over-reactions to questioning someone's opinion?
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