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Is losing weight mostly psychological?

Kimblesnbits13
Kimblesnbits13 Posts: 369 Member
edited November 17 in Debate Club
I'm wondering everyone's thoughts on this. I'm very big into mindset changes along with permanent habit and lifestyle changes. In my opinion, losing weight and even maintaining the lost weight is mostly psychological than anything else. I dont think people realize how much internal mindset affects the whole process and because of this, when they've reached goal weight, many will gain it back. It all comes from "within". Whether they lose the motivation, or forget the "habits" that were supposed to be built for a lifetime etc. Unless there is a health issue on hand, do you mostly agree or disagree?
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  • zyxst
    zyxst Posts: 9,149 Member
    The only way I'd know for sure is if my mental state was altered to the opposite - food is only fuel, not enjoyment, celebrating, or tasting good - or a totally removal of my id.
  • Kimblesnbits13
    Kimblesnbits13 Posts: 369 Member
    zyxst wrote: »
    The only way I'd know for sure is if my mental state was altered to the opposite - food is only fuel, not enjoyment, celebrating, or tasting good - or a totally removal of my id.

    Lol then I will call you robot not human! ;)
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    edited March 2017
    I think it depends on where you're coming from. I put on about 10 Lbs every winter and take it off every spring...I'm not really like OMG, I need to take this weight off...not really worried about it. Cycling season starts in earnest in May/June, so my training picks up in the Spring to be ready and I just drop weight along the way.

    4.5 years ago when I started all of this, I really didn't set out with some number on the scale being a goal...I had some really bad blood work come back and I wanted to fix that...I have also been an athlete on some level for most of my life so I really wanted to get my fitness back. I tweaked my diet for better nutrition and started exercising on the regular, and the weight just kind of came off...it was a nice bi-product of living better and just getting my crap together.

    IDK...I guess I had to psychologically want to change for the better, but there were a whole lot of other reasons behind that than a number on the scale...namely wanting to be alive and healthy for my wife and kids for a good time to come.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    One of the biggest psychological problems is that my culture presents unhealthy food as fun, popular, and delicious and healthy food as a chore, bland, and a punishment that needs to be rewarded by eating unhealthy food. Movies and commercials do not show fun attractive people eating broccoli and having good times. And so the unfortunate consequence of this constant barrage unhealthy eating on all the billboards, trucks, commercials, movies, TV shows, etc. is that we come to believe that unhealthy eating is fun and desireable. We believe that eating cake is the reward we need for eating the broccoli for example or that eating the cake is the reward we earned for completing the 10K.

    Overcoming this mindset is critical for weight maintenance. Otherwise we (rhetorical 'we', not everyone but many people I know) gain the weight back because no one can stay in a perpetual cycle of what they believe is deprivation. We accept the idea of 'all things in moderation' and so we add moderate amounts of unhealthy food to our diet because we believe we need to, want to.

    I guess just count in one day how many images of unhealthy foods you see promoted to you or suggested to you as sexy, fun, popular. And then count how many times you see a whole grain, nut, bean, fruit, or vegetable in its whole form (not in a pie!) promoted to you as sexy, fun, popular. Count the billboards, commercials, sides of trucks, movie scenes, etc. You will be hard pressed to find any advertisement that creates a positive spin for healthy foods. Usually it's a negative spin.

    once you realize that there are no unhealthy foods, just unhealthy diets; you can free your mind and meet your weight loss goals.

    there are plenty of commercials about how x product has no 'added sugar' or has x amount of protein or whole grains, or do you now see those?
  • Lounmoun
    Lounmoun Posts: 8,423 Member
    I'm wondering everyone's thoughts on this. I'm very big into mindset changes along with permanent habit and lifestyle changes. In my opinion, losing weight and even maintaining the lost weight is mostly psychological than anything else. I dont think people realize how much internal mindset affects the whole process and because of this, when they've reached goal weight, many will gain it back. It all comes from "within". Whether they lose the motivation, or forget the "habits" that were supposed to be built for a lifetime etc. Unless there is a health issue on hand, do you mostly agree or disagree?

    Unless you are a child, in an institution or other situation where your calorie intake is controlled by outside forces then yes there is a mental component to weight loss.
    Most of us have to recognize there is an issue and want to change or it won't happen.
    I think some people after that step often will decide they need a total "lifestyle change" and do not consider what really suits their real world and preferences so they can't sustain it long term.
  • ShrinkingViolet1982
    ShrinkingViolet1982 Posts: 919 Member
    For me it sure is.
  • brandiuntz
    brandiuntz Posts: 2,717 Member
    I'd say mindset is one of the biggest factors in weight loss and maintenance for many. The physical part is calories in versus calories out and is relatively simple, except for that temptation to overeat.

    For me, real success came from understanding what caused me to eat when I wasn't hungry (emotional eating), and changing my habits to become more active. Once I understood that, I was able to consistently lose weight and keep it off.
  • CSARdiver
    CSARdiver Posts: 6,252 Member
    Absolutely - like anything one first requires the mindset that they have the ability to effect change.

    Note the high volume of overly dramatic posts in the general section. Many people are simply unwilling to accept that their behavior is the root cause and spend a lot of time debating on the many reasons why they cannot change, rather than focusing on the elements they have control over.

    Even in issues where a medical condition exists - you make the decision on how much of an impact you are going to allow this to be. A review of cancer survivors shows a statistically significant number of positive changes in comparison to the general population. Those surveyed related an increased awareness of how short life is and stressed an urgency to make the most of it.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    The mental struggle is the main struggle for me too.
  • Kimblesnbits13
    Kimblesnbits13 Posts: 369 Member
    100% mental for me. Every meal and snack is a battle wit myself over yummy healthy or unhealthy binging. Food is so much comfort for me. In the last month I've started making conscious decisions to eat right and have lost 6 pounds, now I'm struggling to get moving too. I used to have running which was a mental break for me, but due to knee problems, that's gone. Every workout is a mental battle to just do it.

    For me, working out is the easy part! It's fun for me and makes me feel good. The food part on the other hand....that's the mental battle for me! Social situations, parties, vacations, etc....those are tough because i like alllllll the foods! It's hard for me to pick and choose my favorite and just stick to that.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    100% mental for me. Every meal and snack is a battle wit myself over yummy healthy or unhealthy binging. Food is so much comfort for me. In the last month I've started making conscious decisions to eat right and have lost 6 pounds, now I'm struggling to get moving too. I used to have running which was a mental break for me, but due to knee problems, that's gone. Every workout is a mental battle to just do it.

    For me, working out is the easy part! It's fun for me and makes me feel good. The food part on the other hand....that's the mental battle for me! Social situations, parties, vacations, etc....those are tough because i like alllllll the foods! It's hard for me to pick and choose my favorite and just stick to that.

    I eat pretty well most of the time and enjoy eating well...I'm pretty solid in the kitchen, so my healthy food is also very delicious so it tends not to be an issue.

    As social occasions and vacations go, I allow for a little latitude. I don't need to be "on" all of the time...where vacations are concerned, I'm usually way more active than I otherwise would be at home and going to work so things tend to net out. For social situations, we get together with friends about once per month...most of our friends are actually pretty into nutrition and fitness so the fare is usually relatively healthy, but I tend to do a few shots of tequila with my trainer and his wife. My family has pizza and movie night most Friday nights and I usually have something for desert 2-3 days per week.

    I think part of the psychological issue and struggles that many go through stem from trying to be or thinking they need to be 100% "on" 100% of the time rather than looking at the bigger picture and what they're doing on the whole.
  • Kimblesnbits13
    Kimblesnbits13 Posts: 369 Member
    This is where the CICO argument that comes up "it's not that simple" comes into play I think.

    CICO is simple, the math is simple but the mental struggles around implementing it can be difficult.

    It's a lot of trial and error for some. I know for me I had to figure out what macros keep me satisfied, that skipping breakfast helped control my appetite, how to moderate different foods in different ways. I had to stop looking for a "quick" fix and focus on a way of eating that is sustainable. I had to wrap my head around weight loss isn't linear and 2lbs up on the scale is nothing concerning as long as I'm in a deficit. I had to get brutally honest with myself.

    I had to figure out what type of exercise I enjoy and that I could do at my heaviest weight.

    I'm still wrapping my head around weighing food. I'm not sure why but I just don't want to. I see better results when I weigh my food but I'm ok with slower results sometimes.

    The whole finding "the sweet spot" of weight loss is 100% mental for me because the math is pretty simple.

    True, the math part of how to lose weight is so simple! However applying it is very difficult for some. Many people think weight loss is linear, don't understand the concept of water weight etc etc etc..I agree there's so much that comes into play that people need to learn that is more on the physiological side not psychological. Good point @leanjogreen18
  • zyxst
    zyxst Posts: 9,149 Member
    zyxst wrote: »
    The only way I'd know for sure is if my mental state was altered to the opposite - food is only fuel, not enjoyment, celebrating, or tasting good - or a totally removal of my id.

    Lol then I will call you robot not human! ;)

    Then there are quite a few robots posing as humans, even some on MFP.
  • ccsernica
    ccsernica Posts: 1,040 Member
    edited March 2017
    Seeing as weight loss often starts when something happens in someone's life to make them suddenly realize, in a way they had not before, "Oh my God, I'm fat!"... yeah. Until that happens, you won't even get started with weight loss let along accomplish it.

    The mental adjustments that come in the process of establishing good habits have to build on that.
  • omakase619
    omakase619 Posts: 226 Member
    For me it sure is.

  • JeromeBarry1
    JeromeBarry1 Posts: 10,179 Member
    Why wouldn't my 50+ years of being overweight and obese not be due to psychological barriers? I know of some which I erected.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,204 Member
    When everything has to pass through my head to be real (to me), yes, most of weight loss (and everything else) is psychological. What else could it be?

    And I say that as a mechanist, and rationalist.
  • whiskey5jda2008
    whiskey5jda2008 Posts: 115 Member
    For me losing weight is a lifestyle change. Before I ate what I wanted to and when I wanted to. Now I have to be accountable for everything I eat and I only have so many calories to spend. I am incorporating more green stuff (rabbit food) into my diet and am working on staying away from fast food tex-mex and Whataburger.
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
    I'm wondering everyone's thoughts on this. I'm very big into mindset changes along with permanent habit and lifestyle changes. In my opinion, losing weight and even maintaining the lost weight is mostly psychological than anything else. I dont think people realize how much internal mindset affects the whole process and because of this, when they've reached goal weight, many will gain it back. It all comes from "within". Whether they lose the motivation, or forget the "habits" that were supposed to be built for a lifetime etc.

    I would say that much of this is about behaviour, and managing behaviour needs a number of tools. Those tools might be routine, they might be triggers, they might be objectives. So in that sense yes it's psychological because we each need to understand how we respond in order to identify the appropriate tools, and structure them.

    When I'm coaching much of what I work on is encouraging a client to articulate what they want to achieve, identify what will help them to achieve those and then work with them to track progress, manipulate the tools as required and evolve objectives as things change.

    Part of it is moving people from hoping to wanting.

    So much of the dialogue on here is articulated in hope, and people are looking for instant answers. As in the discussion yesterday with someone looking for fun ideas to break the plateau and burn through that last 100lbs. Many of us appreciate that the 100lbs may eventually come off, but the individual in question is unlikely to be happy with the outcome. So how to move to more meaningful objectives, then routes to achieve those objectives. It's not just a question of go on fitnessblender, which many spout on here.

    It's all psychological.
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