so im confused.

If you make your diary public, perhaps someone can look through and see where you might tighten up your logging.

You've probably seen this chart but it has good advice that might narrow down where you can investigate:



As for fluctuations, many people have them. It's a general downward trend over months that I'm aiming toward. Here's a recent 3-month chart for me:

leahcollett1 wrote: »

im going to try neat methof of MFP this week, i might be doing things wrong with TDEE so im only going to touch the calories that i burn with ,my polar h7 - net calories for saying sitting on the sofa.

I agree this could be where you are going wrong, perhaps overestimating how much exercise you're doing to come up with the TDEE figure, you will probably be much better to try the NEAT method and go with 50% of the calorie burns for exercise for about 4 weeks and see if you get any downward movement.

Whilst as @seska422 says there are a lot of non-weighed items such as Subway, etc. It's not like you can whip out your food scales and deconstruct a sandwich or salad in Subway, well you could but let's be honest who would. Might be worth quick adding some calories to err on the side of caution. I would also be wary of the nutritional info in the database for a lot of UK supermarket foods, some of them bear no resemblance to the information on the label and it's certainly worth double checking even if you've scanned the barcode.

Well, if you've been logging for a while and not losing, drop your calories 300 or so. When you aren't losing, you need to eat less...regardless of where the error lies. (Whether it's your calories in or calories out calculation.)

I have Hypothyroidism also. Most people who do not have it do not understand it. Several years ago I learned about taking natural desiccated thyroid drugs rather than synthetic. They problem I had with the synthetic was they made my blood work numbers show me in the normal range but I still suffered many of the symptoms including the inability to loose weight. Please talk to your doctor about making the switch. It made a world of difference for me.

I've been hypothyroid for years. I was able to lose weight and I've kept it off for ten years. She said she was stable, but her food logging is all over the place.

Hypothyroidism may affect weightloss, but it isn't impossible with decent nutrition and accuracy.

dmwh142 wrote: »

I have Hypothyroidism also. Most people who do not have it do not understand it. Several years ago I learned about taking natural desiccated thyroid drugs rather than synthetic. They problem I had with the synthetic was they made my blood work numbers show me in the normal range but I still suffered many of the symptoms including the inability to loose weight. Please talk to your doctor about making the switch. It made a world of difference for me.

You could also talk to your doctor about adding a T3. The medication you're taking is a T4. Your body should convert T4 to T3, but sometimes it doesn't do a good job. I am on synthetic T4 and T3. The natural thyroid has both. The natural stuff didn't work as well for me. But you need to find what works for you. There are options.

If you're not already, see if you can see an endocrinologist instead of a general physician. There's a normal "range" for a reason and maybe you need to be in a different part of it.

Regardless, ask your doc to run a Free T4 test and a Free T3 test in addition to TSH. Make sure you understand exactly what your numbers are and what range your doc/lab/insurance uses for normal.

Research doesn't show a huge impact on TSH from the addition of a T3, however, most studies show an increase in patient quality of life.

I have also started eating one Brazil nut a day for selenium. My Endo showed me a study about a year and a half ago and suggested I do that and see. My TSH dropped a little more, still in the normal range (it had previously been going up steadily each time I was tested) and has stabilized. He had an RD analyze my diet (via MFP) and I want getting anywhere near the RDA of selenium.

Great advice from @psychgrrl and @afura. Anyone diagnosed with a thyroid disorder should know their full thyroid panel - TSH, fT3, fT4, rT3. Only after review of all these data points can anyone develop a proper diagnosis.

Thyroid disorders have a minimal overall impact on your basal metabolic rate, from clinical testing this averages ~5%. Meaning a person with a 1600 kcal/day budget would reduce this by ~80 kcals/day. Your metabolism is primarily driven by your lean muscle mass, so you may want to incorporate some manner of progressive resistance program.

Psychgrrl wrote: »

dmwh142 wrote: »

I have Hypothyroidism also. Most people who do not have it do not understand it. Several years ago I learned about taking natural desiccated thyroid drugs rather than synthetic. They problem I had with the synthetic was they made my blood work numbers show me in the normal range but I still suffered many of the symptoms including the inability to loose weight. Please talk to your doctor about making the switch. It made a world of difference for me.

You could also talk to your doctor about adding a T3. The medication you're taking is a T4. Your body should convert T4 to T3, but sometimes it doesn't do a good job. I am on synthetic T4 and T3. The natural thyroid has both. The natural stuff didn't work as well for me. But you need to find what works for you. There are options.

If you're not already, see if you can see an endocrinologist instead of a general physician. There's a normal "range" for a reason and maybe you need to be in a different part of it.

Regardless, ask your doc to run a Free T4 test and a Free T3 test in addition to TSH. Make sure you understand exactly what your numbers are and what range your doc/lab/insurance uses for normal.

Research doesn't show a huge impact on TSH from the addition of a T3, however, most studies show an increase in patient quality of life.

I have also started eating one Brazil nut a day for selenium. My Endo showed me a study about a year and a half ago and suggested I do that and see. My TSH dropped a little more, still in the normal range (it had previously been going up steadily each time I was tested) and has stabilized. He had an RD analyze my diet (via MFP) and I want getting anywhere near the RDA of selenium.

Question for you all! Do you know what test would be labeled as "T3 uptake "? I'm guessing it is my T3 levels in general. I was 1 point below the lowest point in the "normal" range on my last test. I go in next Tuesday for blood work as my endo noticed that and put up a red flag so to speak.

I am on armor and had half of my thyroid removed in July of 2015. I have REALLY been struggling with the weight loss piece. I log and exercise on a regular basis and even paid someone certified to put together meal and workout plans for me. Working out hard isn't an issue as I'm an athlete. I've lost around 8-10lbs since November so I'm sort of starting to get frustrated.

I'm really hoping I can either get a higher dose to get me in the middle or upper end of the normal range or supplement more T3. My endo is great so im hoping she will continue to listen.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!!

Kayli

leahcollett1 wrote: »

My tsh was tested 2 weeks ago she requested a whole panel and got a note back from hospital testing my blood saying it's not a done thing. My levels came back showing 0.02 so technically hyperactive with no symptoms.
I thought that if anything would allow me to lose weight easier?
Anyway for those that asked I still have about 2 to 3 stone to lose. I put on alot of weight with my first child and just trying to get that off.
It's so strange how I managed to get that 4 stone off but now no matter how hard I try it will not budge

The lab says they don't do full panels? Or they are unable to since she requested after the bloodwork had been done?

leahcollett1 wrote: »

they just refused her point blank, she wrote t3 and t4 levels, and then posted my results back on just TSH

That is insane - the full panel literally comes from the same test. The technician just needs to add a sample to an assay. Sad state of affairs when doctors are no longer in charge of this process.

As for weight management thyroid disorders do not impact metabolism nearly as much as previously thought. I suspect that this impacts the satiety triggers more than metabolics, but designing such an experiment to prove this is challenging to say the least.

That could well be it. I can't comment on the thyroid issues as I have no experience there.

I would say you need to give it longer than a week using the NEAT method, more like 4-8 (depends how much your water weight fluctuates, mine is all over the show so I need 6-8 weeks to know what's really happening).