Too fat to EVER get pregnant?
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Have been reading all of your insightful and inspiring comments after coming back from a mind-clearing long walk with my dogs. I'm sure calorie counting and a more active lifestyle are my one and only fix (not even considering the recommended quick fix).
But from what I've read here, I'm going to bed with peace of mind and more determination to become a healthy and active mommy one day (hopefully soon)!13 -
All that I can add is to reiterate what other posters have already said: your doctor was completely out of line in the way that he treated you. Get rid of him first. But, yes, you can get pregnant at any weight. I got pregnant at my heaviest weight, 295 lbs, and had a healthy pregnancy and relatively easy natural childbirth. However, there are a number of reasons why you might want to lose some weight before becoming pregnant (not least among them, the way that the medical community treats obese women when they are pregnant). Pregnancy is inherently physically uncomfortable and carrying a lot of extra weight makes it even harder. All of the aforementioned risks do go up and you might automatically be labeled a high-risk pregnancy, even if everything is going smoothly.
My advice is to take an emotional step back and know that you have time. Try to get into a healthy eating and exercise pattern that you can enjoy so that it can become a life change, not just a temporary means to a weight loss goal. Find a doctor who will address the real concerns that you have, without being judgy and pushing you towards surgery. Focus on yourself for just a little bit, before focusing on the baby that you will have.5 -
Get checked by a PCP, there are multiple conditions that can negatively affect fertility. But even if you had those conditions it's still possible to concieve. Keep working on your weight as you are. Dont worry about surgery unless and until your PCP tells you that your weight is so dangerous that you need it.
I would go the other way -- not from a gynecologist to a generalist (assuming PCP = primary care physician, who doesn't specialize in fertility issues and has pretty much no training in nutrition), but from a gynecologist to an MD or practice that specializes in fertility issues.1 -
First, dump the doctor. Find yourself an OBGYN (You'll need an OB when you get pregnant, so it's easier to get an OBGYN. that way all the lady bits and pregnancy stuff is taken care of in one go and you don't need to have 2 doctors) that will give you the time of day and take you seriously.
Second, have your new doctor run a blood panel and check for PCOS. However, even though you do have markers for PCOS, that doesn't necessarily mean you have it. Obesity can cause hormonal issues that mimic some of the things PCOS does. For example, myself. I was having a single period in a 9 month time span, would have super heavy (and crampy) flow. I was tested for thyroid issues, PCOS, etc and those all came back negative. It wasn't until I started losing weight that my hormone levels started balancing out and I suddenly was getting my period. And with each cycle, they became closer and closer until finally I had a normal 29 day cycle. And for the first time in my life, I could see when I ovulated with fluctuations (water weight) on the scale. My period was actually less crampy and less heavy too. I hit my initial "TTC" goal 10 months after starting MFP and lost 57 lbs. My very first month TTCing I got pregnant with my 2nd child (there's a 6 year gap between my kids). I continues logging through my pregnancy, aiming for a healthy weight gain, did so, and continued on after having my baby. I lost an additional 20 lbs and I'm now halfway through my 3rd pregnancy.
So to say you're too fat to ever get pregnant, I don't think is true. Would it be harder? Yes. But I bet that losing the weight that you want (or even some), you will see a difference in your cycles and you'll be able to conceive. So keep at it, keep your eye on the prize and you will get there.5 -
The doctor only had a few minutes to give you a reality check and shock you into turning your health around. If blunt gets the job done, I salute him.13
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I don't intend for this to come out mean, but I kind of agree with the doctor. He could have said it in a different and more tactful way, but that doesn't mean the message he was trying to convey is wrong.
No one ever wants to admit that their weight may be the cause of a lot of their symptoms, and want the doctor to give them an answer other than it's their weight. The harsh reality is, sometimes that is the answer.9 -
Being overweight to that degree can interfere with your menstrual cycle, but perhaps suggesting barbaric surgery was a bit much. In order to have a healthy pregnancy, you should work on your health. Hopefully, being back on MFP will help!1
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The doctor only had a few minutes to give you a reality check and shock you into turning your health around. If blunt gets the job done, I salute him.
You "salute" him? He is in no way helping her mentally or helping her understand what she can do to help her situation; he gave her an extremely dramatic hypothetical (400 and bedbound? That's a 100 pound weight gain, and the more you weigh initially the less your body packs on during pregnancy). He gave her a quick fix idea to get surgery, and quick hop back to him to add to his list of patients. He isn't caring about her as an individual!
This is what my OB did; she bluntly told me about my weight that it was a concern while I was pregnant, and told me I needed to keep working on my weight, because it is her job to have a healthy baby AND mommy. She told me if I started gaining more that she had a dietician for me if it came to that. She was strait and to the point, but not belittling.
HERE is where my OB differs from hers- after my pregnancy I went back for my yearly visit; it was humiliating to be at 280 AGAIN after she had just congratulated me and supported my weight loss just last year. I had mentioned that I was having more painful periods, and she said, well in my opinion it could be from the weight your carrying, but we can look into it. I told her I was going to start back up on working with my weight, and that I didn't want to wind up getting weight loss surgery like my mom, and she said- there is no magic pill or magic surgery, you can do this, and most importantly your kids want to have you around! See u next year!
She about died when she saw me year 2 and I was the lowest I'd ever been, she said- this, THIS is what makes my job worth while, if I can guide women to a happier and healthier lifestyle, then I've done my job.
It's about caring and trying to help the patient, with tough love and strait honest points, spending a few extra minutes to help diagnose, treat and help patients, not slip in snide comments and immediately refer you to surgery, surely that's convenient for him! But probably not the best for HER!17 -
I don't intend for this to come out mean, but I kind of agree with the doctor. He could have said it in a different and more tactful way, but that doesn't mean the message he was trying to convey is wrong.
No one ever wants to admit that their weight may be the cause of a lot of their symptoms, and want the doctor to give them an answer other than it's their weight. The harsh reality is, sometimes that is the answer.
As someone who just had a baby, I agree with this post.4 -
Well, she is here taking action about her weight, so clearly his approach is having a positive impact. One can be a good DR without coddling their patients, each must work to their skill set.
Fortunately you could take several years to really get started on your journey.The doctor only had a few minutes to give you a reality check and shock you into turning your health around. If blunt gets the job done, I salute him.
You "salute" him? He is in no way helping her mentally or helping her understand what she can do to help her situation; he gave her an extremely dramatic hypothetical (400 and bedbound? That's a 100 pound weight gain, and the more you weigh initially the less your body packs on during pregnancy). He gave her a quick fix idea to get surgery, and quick hop back to him to add to his list of patients. He isn't caring about her as an individual!
This is what my OB did; she bluntly told me about my weight that it was a concern while I was pregnant, and told me I needed to keep working on my weight, because it is her job to have a healthy baby AND mommy. She told me if I started gaining more that she had a dietician for me if it came to that. She was strait and to the point, but not belittling.
HERE is where my OB differs from hers- after my pregnancy I went back for my yearly visit; it was humiliating to be at 280 AGAIN after she had just congratulated me and supported my weight loss just last year. I had mentioned that I was having more painful periods, and she said, well in my opinion it could be from the weight your carrying, but we can look into it. I told her I was going to start back up on working with my weight, and that I didn't want to wind up getting weight loss surgery like my mom, and she said- there is no magic pill or magic surgery, you can do this, and most importantly your kids want to have you around! See u next year!
She about died when she saw me year 2 and I was the lowest I'd ever been, she said- this, THIS is what makes my job worth while, if I can guide women to a happier and healthier lifestyle, then I've done my job.
It's about caring and trying to help the patient, with tough love and strait honest points, spending a few extra minutes to help diagnose, treat and help patients, not slip in snide comments and immediately refer you to surgery, surely that's convenient for him! But probably not the best for HER!
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I just had a baby a year ago and was about 350. I had tried for 3 years but I thought it was due to the depo I use to be on. The doctor said it is harder to conceive while obese but not impossible. I downloaded a app called glow and tracked! Good luck it will happen Just be patient. I did get induced two weeks early because of my blood pressure. I'm now trying to lose because I need to for my health. Try go track and lose but keep trying to conceive!2
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I'm sorry your Dr. spoke in the way that he did, however your weight and the chance of having a healthy pregnancy at this weight are his area of expertise. Could he have put it better, yes. His brusqueness though has given you pause for thought.
You have lost weight before so you know it's possible. You are amongst MANY who need to log their intake long term, that isn't a flaw, it is just reality.
I do think though that you should be very honest with yourself about the way to move forward and start taking control of your eating and health.
Your ideas about "Self-control" and not being capable of teaching yourself this needs change as it IS most certainly something you can teach yourself, in fact it is totally your choice and responsibility to do so. No one else can do it for you.3 -
I don't have much to add, but I want to chime in that the doctor sounds fantastic, and I wish more medical professionals were so blunt and forward about addressing obesity. Sorry OP, sometimes people say things we don't want to hear, but the doctor is right, being overweight is having a drastic effect on your hormones, and before you address things via medications, you should address your weight as naturally as possible. With or without bariatric surgery, if you want a happy healthy pregnancy, being a happy healthy weight would go a long way towards that goal.
Again, not meant to offend. I just wish more doctors were so forward. Maybe I wouldn't have put on as much weight as I did if a doctor told me how out of line I was. Doctors should be saying something to people about obesity BEFORE it becomes a problem, IE, a doctor should have told you to cut weight down long before you realized you had an issue with your fertility.
Again, not meant to offend, I just really REALLY wish more doctors were so forthcoming.8 -
I was 280 when i got pregnant with my 2nd daughter. I got pregnant within 2 months of not using birth control. I had NO issues what so ever. Please do not let that ignorant doctor make you feel bad. I'm not a doctor and can't speak for no one but myself but, I've seen plenty of larger women pregnant. Don't let that discourage you. Lots of plus size women have perfectly healthy pregnancies too. I carried my daughter until 41 weeks, labored for 13 hours, and vaginally delivered a very healthy almost 9lb baby
don't be hard on yourself!
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I've had doctors tell obese friends of mine that the weight makes it much more difficult to conceive. I never tried to get pregnant (not the maternal type!), but when I was obese my gynecologist had told me that if I wanted to have children, the weight could interfere. So I think that it is generally accepted in the medical community that obesity does make it much harder.
However, there is a lot of ground between 295 and 175. It is possible that you won't conceive at 295 but would at 225. Everybody is different. Lose as much as you can and keep trying. In the meantime, get your other health issues checked out.
About your doctor: I know most people here are criticizing him, but I personally appreciate bluntness because there is no misunderstanding. I also have friends who are doctors, and many times they get frustrated because patients ignore their advice. Was you doctor rude? Perhaps. The question is if you are comfortable with him and believe he is good. Is so, stick with him. If not, find one you are more comfortable with. If you are going to avoid going to see him, he can do you no good.
I lost 100 pounds. When I had lost about 50, I had to switch doctors for insurance reasons. My new doctor (primary care) advised losing weight (as any good doctor would). I told her I had already lost 50, but she warned that most people don't keep it off and that I was still obese....which was true. I appreciated the directness. When I saw her at my next visit a year later, she was shocked and incredibly happy that I had lost more and was at a healthy weight. This is a woman I had only seen twice, but she was genuinely happy for me and stressed what an exception I was among her patients. I tell you this only to help you understand where the doctor was coming from. They have seen far too many people not lose the weight or gain it back so they can't help being pessimistic and critical.7 -
kommodevaran wrote: »My two cents: I'm shocked your doctor suggested bariatric surgery. I don't think the habits you had taught yourself were healthy, if you just started to neglect them. I think they may have been restrictive habits, that you were just waiting for an excuse to stop. Good thing you can lose and keep weight off just by eating a little less.
My habits were tightly connected to using MFP. I'm in the small % that will have to use calorie counting even years into maintenance at a certain weight, or I will gain it all back.
I can eat 1500 kcal per day and not feel starved or restricted when I'm logging. But if I let that grip go, I won't hold myself accountable. Unfortunately self-control isn't among the habits I can teach myself
Thanks for chiming in!
Don't you think that's a terribly defeatist sort of mentality to have toward your own behavior? How bleak and self-destructive to view yourself that way! Ever heard people say "well, with an attitude like that..."? Well, it's true! Stop telling yourself you can't. You CAN. Self control is not inherent in personalities, it's learned. Everyone learns it. And it's never too late to practice exercising it. I used to have horrible self-control, too, if you can believe it. If I can learn it, literally anybody can.
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Hey
Happy to read all the comments coming from all sorts of POVs!
Wanted to add a few reactions to some comments:
On the doctor bluntness - I absolutely appreciate a straight-forward approach from every medical professional. Him telling me that the weight is the one and only problem wasn't like he discovered some secret issue.
I'm not in denial about being obese.
The problem was that he wasn't capable of using his medical expertise to guide me towards getting some help in the right direction (losing weight under medical supervision, so one can monitor any underlying infertility-causing conditions), but sending me directly under the knife, with zero consideration of my mental state, or even considering my troubled relationship with food.
For an "opinion" that's similarly helpful and knowledgeable as his, I could have asked any average Joe.
As I was seeking medical advice, I was already fully aware that MFP will become my biggest and safest ally in getting at a healthy weight, and then staying there. All his bluntness managed to do is make me go into a dark corner of my mind for one night. Glad to have had my family's support after my appointment.
On my inability to practice self control - I may have worded that wrong I was referring to not being able to control my calorie intake without logging it into a calorie counter. The only time in my adult life that I've ever been close to a healthy weight was while using MFP.
Again, thank you all for taking the time to have an impact on a stranger's life
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I'd get a new gyne! Ugh. Sorry that's my input. Well out of order. Concentrate on eating well, clean if you like. It is possible to get pregnant. I'm pregnant now unplanned and over 200lb.1
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First of all, the issues you're describing "heavy periods, infertility, hair loss and generalized fatigue" are hormonal related issues likely related to your obesity. Body fat is considered a part of our endocrine system because it is hormone producing.
Is it harder to get pregnant when you're obese? YES. Is there more risk associated with obese pregnancy? YES. You can read more here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2621047/
"Maternal obesity is associated with an increased risk of diabetes, both pregestational diabetes and GDM.37,38 Compared with normal weight women (BMI < 25 kg/m2), a recent meta-analysis of 20 studies demonstrated that the OR of developing GDM was 2.14 (95% CI, 1.82–2.53), 3.56 (95% CI, 3.05–4.21), and 8.56 (95% CI, 5.07–16.04) among overweight (BMI 25-30 kg/m2), obese (BMI > 30 kg/m2), and severely obese women (BMI > 40 kg/m2), respectively. A recent study found that weight gain in the 5 years prior to becoming pregnant, even at a rate of 1.1 to 2.2 kg per year, increases the risk of developing GDM, and that this was especially true for women who were not initially overweight.
The development of GDM has a number of adverse maternal and fetal implications. For women, these include an increased risk of hyperglycemia, cesarean delivery, and diabetes in later life, with more than 50% of women with GDM acquiring diabetes within 20 years of delivery.40 The implications for the offspring may be even more severe. Pregnancies complicated by GDM have a 4-fold increased risk of perinatal mortality and a 3-fold increased risk of macrosomia. In addition to being larger, infants born of pregnancies complicated by GDM also have significantly larger skin folds at all areas of measurement (triceps, subscapular, flank, thigh, abdomen) and, as such, are at increased risk of shoulder dystocia and resultant birth injury.41 Moreover, offspring born of GDM pregnancies are more likely to develop childhood and adult obesity (OR 1.4 [95% CI, 1.2–1.6] for every 1-kg increment in birth weight) as well as type 2 diabetes mellitus."
Essentially, it is negligent (in my opinion) to purposely get pregnant when morbidly obese. You are opening yourself up for gestational diabetes (which will increase your chance of diabetes mellitus later in life), eclampsia, complications requiring c-section, and you're also increasing your child for abnormally high birth rate, high chance of developing diabetes, and so much more.
While i believe the doctor was harsh, I am in agreement that at your current size it simply isn't advisable for your own health or the health of your future child. I'm not sure of your height, but, even at your initial "weight loss" size of 175lbs you may have been susceptible to the increase risk of these complications.
Suggesting weight loss surgery to someone in your position: morbidly obese, history of significant weight regain, inability to sustain healthy weight loss past 3 years, wants children, etc. is the right thing to do. Can you lose weight without weight loss surgery? Absolutely, you've done it before! But it would be negligent of the doctor not to suggest a potentially life altering surgery to a patient who qualifies to have the procedure.
I'm sure you know this, but weight loss surgery generally has higher retention rates of lower BMI in the morbidly obese as standard dieting has a high failure rate. This means maintaining weight loss for longer than 5 years. You've already failed to do that once. Most people who are significantly overweight have problems with regulating hunger after weight loss and this is a serious factor when it comes to retention. You may also experience trouble regulating certain hormones after significant weight loss and gain.
I'm sorry, as much as I want to rally with others and comment on how much of a jerk your doctor was; I just can't. It sounds like he gave you the facts without any consideration for your feelings, yes, but those are the facts.
Whether you choose weight loss surgery or to lose weight overtime through a calorie deficit you've got to find a way to maintain a healthy body weight over time for the sake of your own health and that of any children you want. I would seek as much medical care and help for this as possible, potentially even psychiatric help as gaining 125+ pounds in a couple years is not "normal". You might have some underlying hormonal issues, eating disorder, etc. and it's best that you handle this now.
P.S. I would expect this to take longer than a year no matter what route you go.15 -
OP..Yes you can get pregnant even if you are obese, its just probably not as healthy for you to do so. You say you have been down this road before so get back on. I am also one who will need to log what i eat everyday. I am much older than you but I am getting healthy again.
Dump that doctor, that was rude and unprofessional, even though we sometimes need a "wake-up" call that was not tactful at all.
Get back on MFP and keep logging your meals, stay in the mind set that when you become pregnant you will be a healthy active mom for your baby and your husband. It will happen and you will be in a better place for it. I wish you tons of luck in your journeys.1 -
Oh boy can I relate to “happy relationship” weight gain, lol.
Re the hair loss and fatigue - in addition to thyroid, were your iron levels checked? When my anemia is untreated I shed like crazy and have crippling fatigue.
I'd get a new doctor as his bedside manner is terrible, he ignored your request to see a dietitian, and doesn't sound like he did anything to address your concern about hair loss and fatigue.
However, do give him a mental thank you for getting you back on track to a healthier you.1 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »I don't intend for this to come out mean, but I kind of agree with the doctor. He could have said it in a different and more tactful way, but that doesn't mean the message he was trying to convey is wrong.
No one ever wants to admit that their weight may be the cause of a lot of their symptoms, and want the doctor to give them an answer other than it's their weight. The harsh reality is, sometimes that is the answer.
As someone who just had a baby, I agree with this post.
I'm in agreement as well. I also think that @lorrpb had a good post upthread.4 -
Have been reading all of your insightful and inspiring comments after coming back from a mind-clearing long walk with my dogs. I'm sure calorie counting and a more active lifestyle are my one and only fix (not even considering the recommended quick fix).
But from what I've read here, I'm going to bed with peace of mind and more determination to become a healthy and active mommy one day (hopefully soon)!
Recommended quick fix? Please research bariatric surgery. The surgery cannot lose the weight for you. Check out the my 600lb show. They had several patients fail to lose or even gain after surgery
Its a tool, it helps the patient start the process, reducing portion sizes but ultimately they choose what to put in thier mouths, they choose to exercise
Ive had gastric bypass surgery. I weighed 387lb i had tried various diets including pills and diets recommended by my doctor. I actually ended up.really ill trying. I continued to get sicker and was told i had 5 years left to live if i was lucky. When they offerred to reffer me (im in the uk) i asked to go on a tier 3 program. I stuck to it and lost a little so agreed to go ahead with the surgery process which took a year. In that year they realised i had several auto immune conditions that they helped get under control
Along with sticking to the program i took up the gym and then running. In my seminar group i was the only one to lose more than 5 stone (i lost 13) and the others regained
But people bag on me for having surgery lose the weight for me. Yep a row of staples got me out of bed at 5am so i could exercise. Yep that row of healed staples chose a chicken salad instead of the cheese burger and fries (i can eat a happy meal no problem on the occasions i decide to)
You know what the surgery did do for me? It gave me those extra years back. While im in pain all day every day from the auto immune conditions i can still do so much more. Like today when i strapped my son to my back and hiked 10k
You might dismiss it for your lifestyle but dont assume its just a quick fix situation8 -
1. Your doctor is a *kitten* *kitten*.
2. Some fertility issues (like PCOS) can be exacerbated by being overweight. It doesn't mean you can never get pregnant. Your weight might not even be the primary factor but the act of losing it would sensitize your cells to insulin and that would move things in the right direction.
3. Changing your diet while planning a pregnancy is a good idea anyway. Make sure your iron levels are good, your folate intake is adequate, and any blood pressure or blood sugar problems are well under control before pregnancy has a chance to strain those systems.1 -
Step one: Find a new doctor! That guy is a total *kitten*. You don't deserve to leave an office in tears. Provides do need to provide tough love from time to time but you should also feel supported at the same time. (I'm a nurse and have seen providers practice both ways)
Step two: start logging, if that what works for you keep doing it. I have found a group of people on MFP who are very supportive even when I slip. That is what I need since I don't have that in my off line life. My DH can eat whatever he wants and still be super thin but he is supportive of my efforts but lacks the understanding of the problems I have with food.
Keep going, don't let anyone stop you especially an *kitten* hat doctor.1 -
If you are having issues with your cycle and you are obese, then unfortunately your doctor is right. Though I don't agree with the harsh approach taken to inform you or his suggestion of surgery as your best course of action.
The success rate for fertility treatments is directly correlated to your body's ability to regulate the delicate balance of hormones needed to ovulate and nourish a baby. It's estimated 12% of women are rendered infertile based solely on weight (both underweight and overweight). Estrogen levels are regulated by fat cells.
Underweight women who have anovulatory cycles are primarily caused by the body's inability to maintain an adequate level of estrogen having a two fold effect. The low level of free estrogen not only hinders ovulation, but mimics menopause in its ability to halt monthly cycles altogether.
On the other side there is too much fat. As you can guess from the effects of too little fat equals too little estrogen, the opposite is true with too much. We have known for a few decades now that alot of estrogen can stop ovulation, hence birth control pills. What your body is essentially going through with your level of fat tissue is weight induced birth control. Fertility treatments would be an incredible waste of time, money, and heartache in your situation and there is a very good chance that at a healthy BMI (even a 10% decrease) could restore your fertility without having to involve a fertility doctor at all.
I am really sorry about the callousness of your doctor. Work on getting your body to a more healthy place to nurture your future child. Then if you are still having cycle irregularities, find a doctor with a much better bedside manner than that guy.3 -
I'm sorry that the doctor treated you like that. I've gotten that treatment alot, but I took it and used it as motivation. Don't let it defeat you.
I got pregnant easily at close to my highest weight (208 lbs). But I had a very complicated high-risk pregnancy. I was constantly in and out of the hospital, placed on hormones and bed rest so I wouldn't miscarry or go into premature labor, and then suffered a rare liver complication that could have resulted in stillbirth. And after my son was born a month early (but happy and healthy to this day thank God) I ended up going through cardiac evaluations. Imagine being seperated from your newborn because you needed overnight hospitalization. Yeah. Were these weight related? That was unknown to both me and my doctors at that time. But I do remember that at that weight they were telling me not to get pregnant until I lost weight. The point is the extra weight was an extra risk factor and a huge stressor that prevented me from enjoying one of the most beautiful experiences in my life. Not to say healthy weight women are guaranteed to have it easier, but if doing what you can will start you and your family off with an advantage, then do it! Find a good doctor who will support your goals, and focus on getting healthy.3 -
Hi OP! 1) The way the doctor spoke to you makes him an *kitten*. He could have given you the same message but provided it in a more professional manner. Sorry that you had to listen to that jerk. 2) It sounds like you know what you need to do to get to where you need to be so I agree with the others on waiting to do surgery until absolutely necessary.
I just wanted to share with you that my little sister is also struggling with weight loss. She has been struggling with her weight since she was probably 14-15. I do not think she is quite 400 lbs but I might be wrong on that. She got pregnant and lost the first one right away.
The 2nd time she got pregnant with my nephew Mason (absolutely adorable!) she ended up with high blood pressure and being stuck in the hospital around 17 weeks. She was told she would need to stay in the hospital on strict bed rest until she had him. She ended up having an emergency C-SECTION due to that blood pressure being in the stroke levels at 19 weeks. He was the size of my hand and had to stay in the NICU for about a month before being released which was hard on my sister and her husband. NOT being able to take him home with them was super hard
I also had a friend who was on high risk watch because of her weight when she was pregnant with both of her kids and almost died the 2nd time she got pregnant while they were doing an emergency c-section.
Point of the stories are that you want the best for you and your baby and I can tell you do from you posting this. So get back to doing what you need to do and KICK BUTT! You can do this! I will be rooting for you! You will be a great mother I can tell! You already care and that is great. 3 -
*lol at Asparagus for A - hole .3
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Sweetiepiestef wrote: »*lol at Asparagus for A - hole .
So it's not all *kitten* lol. I had no idea they had different words. Makes me want to try out others to see what pops0
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