don9992 wrote: » middlehaitch wrote: » don9992 wrote: » janejellyroll wrote: » don9992 wrote: » I'm on an MFP program of 1500 calories per day. I also take a spinning class on Mondays, do 45 minutes on an elliptical every Friday morning and either power walk 2-3 miles or cycle > 15 miles on 3 other days of the week. I try to avoid eating my exercise calories and still keep my intake between 1200 and 1500 per day but, when I finish off each day, I seem to get yelled at a lot by MFP. It keeps claiming I should be consuming at least 1200/day even though I'm normally exceeding that. Why am I getting that feedback? Because 1,500 is the minimum recommended for a man (which it seems like you may be, based on your name and your profile pic). You're eating below that and, additionally, driving your net even lower by not eating back the calories you burn through activity. MFP is claiming you should be eating more because -- according to the facts you gave here -- you really should be eating more. NET calories? I'd have to eat around 2000 calories. Too much! 2000 cals too much for what? Making sure you are getting enough nutrients? Making sure your lbm, organs, muscles, and bones are well supported? Making sure your everyday activity doesn't drop? Making sure you are performing at your best in your chosen exercise? Making sure you don't have brain fog and your performance at work isn't suffering and causing stress. Most of these things are not immediately apparent. They sneak up slowly and take a lot to recover from. If you can't eat 2000 at least eat 1800 min when you exercise, 1500 when you don't. Cheers, h. I just don't see how a fat guy like me is going to run out of fuel any time soon.
middlehaitch wrote: » don9992 wrote: » janejellyroll wrote: » don9992 wrote: » I'm on an MFP program of 1500 calories per day. I also take a spinning class on Mondays, do 45 minutes on an elliptical every Friday morning and either power walk 2-3 miles or cycle > 15 miles on 3 other days of the week. I try to avoid eating my exercise calories and still keep my intake between 1200 and 1500 per day but, when I finish off each day, I seem to get yelled at a lot by MFP. It keeps claiming I should be consuming at least 1200/day even though I'm normally exceeding that. Why am I getting that feedback? Because 1,500 is the minimum recommended for a man (which it seems like you may be, based on your name and your profile pic). You're eating below that and, additionally, driving your net even lower by not eating back the calories you burn through activity. MFP is claiming you should be eating more because -- according to the facts you gave here -- you really should be eating more. NET calories? I'd have to eat around 2000 calories. Too much! 2000 cals too much for what? Making sure you are getting enough nutrients? Making sure your lbm, organs, muscles, and bones are well supported? Making sure your everyday activity doesn't drop? Making sure you are performing at your best in your chosen exercise? Making sure you don't have brain fog and your performance at work isn't suffering and causing stress. Most of these things are not immediately apparent. They sneak up slowly and take a lot to recover from. If you can't eat 2000 at least eat 1800 min when you exercise, 1500 when you don't. Cheers, h.
don9992 wrote: » janejellyroll wrote: » don9992 wrote: » I'm on an MFP program of 1500 calories per day. I also take a spinning class on Mondays, do 45 minutes on an elliptical every Friday morning and either power walk 2-3 miles or cycle > 15 miles on 3 other days of the week. I try to avoid eating my exercise calories and still keep my intake between 1200 and 1500 per day but, when I finish off each day, I seem to get yelled at a lot by MFP. It keeps claiming I should be consuming at least 1200/day even though I'm normally exceeding that. Why am I getting that feedback? Because 1,500 is the minimum recommended for a man (which it seems like you may be, based on your name and your profile pic). You're eating below that and, additionally, driving your net even lower by not eating back the calories you burn through activity. MFP is claiming you should be eating more because -- according to the facts you gave here -- you really should be eating more. NET calories? I'd have to eat around 2000 calories. Too much!
janejellyroll wrote: » don9992 wrote: » I'm on an MFP program of 1500 calories per day. I also take a spinning class on Mondays, do 45 minutes on an elliptical every Friday morning and either power walk 2-3 miles or cycle > 15 miles on 3 other days of the week. I try to avoid eating my exercise calories and still keep my intake between 1200 and 1500 per day but, when I finish off each day, I seem to get yelled at a lot by MFP. It keeps claiming I should be consuming at least 1200/day even though I'm normally exceeding that. Why am I getting that feedback? Because 1,500 is the minimum recommended for a man (which it seems like you may be, based on your name and your profile pic). You're eating below that and, additionally, driving your net even lower by not eating back the calories you burn through activity. MFP is claiming you should be eating more because -- according to the facts you gave here -- you really should be eating more.
don9992 wrote: » I'm on an MFP program of 1500 calories per day. I also take a spinning class on Mondays, do 45 minutes on an elliptical every Friday morning and either power walk 2-3 miles or cycle > 15 miles on 3 other days of the week. I try to avoid eating my exercise calories and still keep my intake between 1200 and 1500 per day but, when I finish off each day, I seem to get yelled at a lot by MFP. It keeps claiming I should be consuming at least 1200/day even though I'm normally exceeding that. Why am I getting that feedback?
WinoGelato wrote: » See post above from @middlehaitch. The adverse effects of long term eating below the recommended minimum often do not have appreciable outward signs, and may take quite a while to become a factor. Look, I get it. You pride yourself on your fortitude and resolve that you eat below the recommended amount because you believe yourself to be an outlier and that's just what you have to do in order to be successful. That doesn't make it ok to continually defend eating at an extreme deficit and below minimum thresholds. .
WinoGelato wrote: » You want to continue eating sub 1200 because you've done long term damage to your metabolism, it's fine, you seem content with this. That doesn't mean that I and others are going to stop trying to help other people from making those same mistakes and getting themselves into the same position... I don't know what @mhwhitt74 stats or goals are, so I have no way of knowing if losing 2.5 lbs/week is healthy for him or her, but I would be willing to bet money that it's not necessary or goal appropriate. And the attitude of "why eat back exercise calories and destroy all that hard work" just isn't the right mindset for long term success. This is a marathon, not a sprint. Exercise isn't punishment, and eating to an appropriate calorie level to fuel activity and keep a modest calorie deficit doesn't "undo" your hard work. It supports the hard work. It propagates it.
kshama2001 wrote: » cwolfman13 wrote: » It is the way this tool is designed. Your exercise isn't accounted for in your activity level...it would make sense that it should be accounted for in some way. Also, why does everyone seem to think MFP is trying to trick them...makes no sense. Have you seen men think exercise shouldn't count? I've only noticed women, and so I suspect something cultural specific to women.
cwolfman13 wrote: » It is the way this tool is designed. Your exercise isn't accounted for in your activity level...it would make sense that it should be accounted for in some way. Also, why does everyone seem to think MFP is trying to trick them...makes no sense.
charlieandcarol wrote: » I can't find the reference but I was reading that in the case of people who have never tried to lose weight before and haven't done any research that in general, men will start exercising but don't change their diet and that women will tend to restrict their diet but not start exercise...another cultural thing I guess.
kimny72 wrote: » don9992 wrote: » middlehaitch wrote: » don9992 wrote: » janejellyroll wrote: » don9992 wrote: » I'm on an MFP program of 1500 calories per day. I also take a spinning class on Mondays, do 45 minutes on an elliptical every Friday morning and either power walk 2-3 miles or cycle > 15 miles on 3 other days of the week. I try to avoid eating my exercise calories and still keep my intake between 1200 and 1500 per day but, when I finish off each day, I seem to get yelled at a lot by MFP. It keeps claiming I should be consuming at least 1200/day even though I'm normally exceeding that. Why am I getting that feedback? Because 1,500 is the minimum recommended for a man (which it seems like you may be, based on your name and your profile pic). You're eating below that and, additionally, driving your net even lower by not eating back the calories you burn through activity. MFP is claiming you should be eating more because -- according to the facts you gave here -- you really should be eating more. NET calories? I'd have to eat around 2000 calories. Too much! 2000 cals too much for what? Making sure you are getting enough nutrients? Making sure your lbm, organs, muscles, and bones are well supported? Making sure your everyday activity doesn't drop? Making sure you are performing at your best in your chosen exercise? Making sure you don't have brain fog and your performance at work isn't suffering and causing stress. Most of these things are not immediately apparent. They sneak up slowly and take a lot to recover from. If you can't eat 2000 at least eat 1800 min when you exercise, 1500 when you don't. Cheers, h. I just don't see how a fat guy like me is going to run out of fuel any time soon. My understanding is your body can only utilize so much stored body fat at a time. That's why those who under-eat tend to lose muscle mass and notice decreased hair and nail growth, more skin problems, brain fog etc. That's why you can't just not eat for a week and lose 5 lbs - your body starts eating not just your fat stores but muscle as well and starts neglecting certain processes to make sure it can keep your heart beating, your lungs breathing, and your brain working a little.
don9992 wrote: » kimny72 wrote: » don9992 wrote: » middlehaitch wrote: » don9992 wrote: » janejellyroll wrote: » don9992 wrote: » I'm on an MFP program of 1500 calories per day. I also take a spinning class on Mondays, do 45 minutes on an elliptical every Friday morning and either power walk 2-3 miles or cycle > 15 miles on 3 other days of the week. I try to avoid eating my exercise calories and still keep my intake between 1200 and 1500 per day but, when I finish off each day, I seem to get yelled at a lot by MFP. It keeps claiming I should be consuming at least 1200/day even though I'm normally exceeding that. Why am I getting that feedback? Because 1,500 is the minimum recommended for a man (which it seems like you may be, based on your name and your profile pic). You're eating below that and, additionally, driving your net even lower by not eating back the calories you burn through activity. MFP is claiming you should be eating more because -- according to the facts you gave here -- you really should be eating more. NET calories? I'd have to eat around 2000 calories. Too much! 2000 cals too much for what? Making sure you are getting enough nutrients? Making sure your lbm, organs, muscles, and bones are well supported? Making sure your everyday activity doesn't drop? Making sure you are performing at your best in your chosen exercise? Making sure you don't have brain fog and your performance at work isn't suffering and causing stress. Most of these things are not immediately apparent. They sneak up slowly and take a lot to recover from. If you can't eat 2000 at least eat 1800 min when you exercise, 1500 when you don't. Cheers, h. I just don't see how a fat guy like me is going to run out of fuel any time soon. My understanding is your body can only utilize so much stored body fat at a time. That's why those who under-eat tend to lose muscle mass and notice decreased hair and nail growth, more skin problems, brain fog etc. That's why you can't just not eat for a week and lose 5 lbs - your body starts eating not just your fat stores but muscle as well and starts neglecting certain processes to make sure it can keep your heart beating, your lungs breathing, and your brain working a little. I have 3 weeks to go in the office weight loss contest. I'm 3 lbs. from my goal after losing 10 and they won't seem to go away. There's both money and pride on the line so I've reached the "desperate times" phase. I'll back off when the cash is in my pocket.
janejellyroll wrote: » don9992 wrote: » janejellyroll wrote: » don9992 wrote: » I'm on an MFP program of 1500 calories per day. I also take a spinning class on Mondays, do 45 minutes on an elliptical every Friday morning and either power walk 2-3 miles or cycle > 15 miles on 3 other days of the week. I try to avoid eating my exercise calories and still keep my intake between 1200 and 1500 per day but, when I finish off each day, I seem to get yelled at a lot by MFP. It keeps claiming I should be consuming at least 1200/day even though I'm normally exceeding that. Why am I getting that feedback? Because 1,500 is the minimum recommended for a man (which it seems like you may be, based on your name and your profile pic). You're eating below that and, additionally, driving your net even lower by not eating back the calories you burn through activity. MFP is claiming you should be eating more because -- according to the facts you gave here -- you really should be eating more. NET calories? I'd have to eat around 2000 calories. Too much! For an active man? Certainly not. I'm a small (108 pound) woman and I maintain my weight on about 1,900 calories a day. Assuming you entered your data correctly, why would you assume that MFP is giving you incorrect numbers?
estherdragonbat wrote: » I eat half. 1) I've lurked enough in the forums to notice all the post (and the infamous flow chart) saying that MFP and fitness machines can overestimate the burns. 2) I've always used measuring cups for solids. As much as I recognize that this is less accurate than weighing, I use American cookbooks a lot and sometimes, I can't be bothered to Google 'weight of 1 cup flour' or the cup of grapes I have with my Greek yogurt in the morning. Not eating back all my calories gives me a bit of a cushion that is—thus far—helping the weight come off. (If and when I plateau, tightening up my weights and measures will probably be the first thing I do.)
don9992 wrote: » janejellyroll wrote: » don9992 wrote: » janejellyroll wrote: » don9992 wrote: » I'm on an MFP program of 1500 calories per day. I also take a spinning class on Mondays, do 45 minutes on an elliptical every Friday morning and either power walk 2-3 miles or cycle > 15 miles on 3 other days of the week. I try to avoid eating my exercise calories and still keep my intake between 1200 and 1500 per day but, when I finish off each day, I seem to get yelled at a lot by MFP. It keeps claiming I should be consuming at least 1200/day even though I'm normally exceeding that. Why am I getting that feedback? Because 1,500 is the minimum recommended for a man (which it seems like you may be, based on your name and your profile pic). You're eating below that and, additionally, driving your net even lower by not eating back the calories you burn through activity. MFP is claiming you should be eating more because -- according to the facts you gave here -- you really should be eating more. NET calories? I'd have to eat around 2000 calories. Too much! For an active man? Certainly not. I'm a small (108 pound) woman and I maintain my weight on about 1,900 calories a day. Assuming you entered your data correctly, why would you assume that MFP is giving you incorrect numbers? Okay, okay....I get it. Let's just say too much for my purposes right now.
fitmom4lifemfp wrote: » WinoGelato wrote: » mhwitt74 wrote: » I never eat them back. To me that is the reward for doing the hard work. I always try to stay just under what my initial calorie count for the day is. But that is just me. Some might think this is too aggressive but I have lost 20 pounds over a coarse of about 2 months. Which to me doesn't seem extreme. Depends on how much you have to lose. 10 lbs/month is greater than 2 lbs/week which is only recommended if you have >75 lbs to lose. Do you have 75 lbs or more to lose? And MFP is designed to provide you a calorie target excluding exercise, so that if you do NO exercise, you would lose at the rate you selected, providing your logging is accurate. By doing exercise, and then not eating back your calories, you are creating a larger deficit, which can have negative effects including fatigue, hair loss, brittle nails, sallow skin, etc. Not to mention just not eating enough calories to fuel your activity level. I agree that this could happen. But I also think that if one experiences NONE of those things, and in fact feels great, and their DR., at their physical is saying all is well, that it's most likely that they are not in enough of a deficit to be concerned.
WinoGelato wrote: » mhwitt74 wrote: » I never eat them back. To me that is the reward for doing the hard work. I always try to stay just under what my initial calorie count for the day is. But that is just me. Some might think this is too aggressive but I have lost 20 pounds over a coarse of about 2 months. Which to me doesn't seem extreme. Depends on how much you have to lose. 10 lbs/month is greater than 2 lbs/week which is only recommended if you have >75 lbs to lose. Do you have 75 lbs or more to lose? And MFP is designed to provide you a calorie target excluding exercise, so that if you do NO exercise, you would lose at the rate you selected, providing your logging is accurate. By doing exercise, and then not eating back your calories, you are creating a larger deficit, which can have negative effects including fatigue, hair loss, brittle nails, sallow skin, etc. Not to mention just not eating enough calories to fuel your activity level.
mhwitt74 wrote: » I never eat them back. To me that is the reward for doing the hard work. I always try to stay just under what my initial calorie count for the day is. But that is just me. Some might think this is too aggressive but I have lost 20 pounds over a coarse of about 2 months. Which to me doesn't seem extreme.
janejellyroll wrote: » don9992 wrote: » janejellyroll wrote: » don9992 wrote: » janejellyroll wrote: » don9992 wrote: » I'm on an MFP program of 1500 calories per day. I also take a spinning class on Mondays, do 45 minutes on an elliptical every Friday morning and either power walk 2-3 miles or cycle > 15 miles on 3 other days of the week. I try to avoid eating my exercise calories and still keep my intake between 1200 and 1500 per day but, when I finish off each day, I seem to get yelled at a lot by MFP. It keeps claiming I should be consuming at least 1200/day even though I'm normally exceeding that. Why am I getting that feedback? Because 1,500 is the minimum recommended for a man (which it seems like you may be, based on your name and your profile pic). You're eating below that and, additionally, driving your net even lower by not eating back the calories you burn through activity. MFP is claiming you should be eating more because -- according to the facts you gave here -- you really should be eating more. NET calories? I'd have to eat around 2000 calories. Too much! For an active man? Certainly not. I'm a small (108 pound) woman and I maintain my weight on about 1,900 calories a day. Assuming you entered your data correctly, why would you assume that MFP is giving you incorrect numbers? Okay, okay....I get it. Let's just say too much for my purposes right now. What is your purpose right now?
kshama2001 wrote: » estherdragonbat wrote: » I eat half. 1) I've lurked enough in the forums to notice all the post (and the infamous flow chart) saying that MFP and fitness machines can overestimate the burns. 2) I've always used measuring cups for solids. As much as I recognize that this is less accurate than weighing, I use American cookbooks a lot and sometimes, I can't be bothered to Google 'weight of 1 cup flour' or the cup of grapes I have with my Greek yogurt in the morning. Not eating back all my calories gives me a bit of a cushion that is—thus far—helping the weight come off. (If and when I plateau, tightening up my weights and measures will probably be the first thing I do.) I have this page bookmarked: http://www.kingarthurflour.com/learn/ingredient-weight-chart.html Plus the bag of flour has the grams for 1/4 C, so I just multiply that by 4. I label other foods. I do use cups for white sugar, as it is very consistent. I definitely weigh brown sugar. Most of my recipes call for "packed" brown sugar, which must be super smashed in there!
estherdragonbat wrote: » kshama2001 wrote: » estherdragonbat wrote: » I eat half. 1) I've lurked enough in the forums to notice all the post (and the infamous flow chart) saying that MFP and fitness machines can overestimate the burns. 2) I've always used measuring cups for solids. As much as I recognize that this is less accurate than weighing, I use American cookbooks a lot and sometimes, I can't be bothered to Google 'weight of 1 cup flour' or the cup of grapes I have with my Greek yogurt in the morning. Not eating back all my calories gives me a bit of a cushion that is—thus far—helping the weight come off. (If and when I plateau, tightening up my weights and measures will probably be the first thing I do.) I have this page bookmarked: http://www.kingarthurflour.com/learn/ingredient-weight-chart.html Plus the bag of flour has the grams for 1/4 C, so I just multiply that by 4. I label other foods. I do use cups for white sugar, as it is very consistent. I definitely weigh brown sugar. Most of my recipes call for "packed" brown sugar, which must be super smashed in there! Thanks! I've added it to my bookmarks, too. I think a lot of it is habit and conditioning. I've been involved with recipes since I was a pre-schooler (Mom taught me to read when I was three and had me reading recipes, measuring, and stirring from about that age; she'd take over when it came time to move on to the oven). It's always been with cups and spoons for dry measures. And, of course, when the cookbook tells you to use cups and spoons and you've always done it, it's easy to just keep going like you always have. Eventually I'll do this often enough that I'll form a new habit and stop patting myself on the back to congratulate myself each time I remember...
VintageFeline wrote: » janejellyroll wrote: » don9992 wrote: » janejellyroll wrote: » don9992 wrote: » janejellyroll wrote: » don9992 wrote: » I'm on an MFP program of 1500 calories per day. I also take a spinning class on Mondays, do 45 minutes on an elliptical every Friday morning and either power walk 2-3 miles or cycle > 15 miles on 3 other days of the week. I try to avoid eating my exercise calories and still keep my intake between 1200 and 1500 per day but, when I finish off each day, I seem to get yelled at a lot by MFP. It keeps claiming I should be consuming at least 1200/day even though I'm normally exceeding that. Why am I getting that feedback? Because 1,500 is the minimum recommended for a man (which it seems like you may be, based on your name and your profile pic). You're eating below that and, additionally, driving your net even lower by not eating back the calories you burn through activity. MFP is claiming you should be eating more because -- according to the facts you gave here -- you really should be eating more. NET calories? I'd have to eat around 2000 calories. Too much! For an active man? Certainly not. I'm a small (108 pound) woman and I maintain my weight on about 1,900 calories a day. Assuming you entered your data correctly, why would you assume that MFP is giving you incorrect numbers? Okay, okay....I get it. Let's just say too much for my purposes right now. What is your purpose right now? Office weight loss competition.
