Pre-Workout Drinks are a scam
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wow these threads kill me up.... use pre workout or don't; drink 10,000Mg of caffeine or don't, who cares.... but if your using something other than FOOD as the catalyst for your energy during a workout you are not doing your body any favors.....2
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wow these threads kill me up.... use pre workout or don't; drink 10,000Mg of caffeine or don't, who cares.... but if your using something other than FOOD as the catalyst for your energy during a workout you are not doing your body any favors.....
Other than the fact that pre-workouts are food just like anything else that contains micro/macro nutrients..........coffee is food, sweet tea is food, coca cola is food. Steroids are not food. Other than that, I completely agree.
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prattiger65 wrote:Other than the fact that pre-workouts are food just like anything else that contains micro/macro nutrients..........coffee is food, sweet tea is food, coca cola is food. Steroids are not food. Other than that, I completely agree.
great observation thank you for your incite... yes technically it is food cuz you put it in your mouth..... and you missed my point food such as red meat, poultry, fruits and veg, bananas, apples, pasta need to be the primary source of supplementation for energy don't depend on caffeine and pre workout for energy.... as these FOODS provide the best benefits.... anyway carry on debating about Mg of caffeine what qualifies as food, and all that.. im about to eat a steak and eggs and potatoes in preparation for training tonight....1 -
The FDA recommends 100 to 200mg a day. Most pre-workouts have between 135 235 mg per scope. Almost all of the food we eat has caffeine in it and a lot of the drinks we drink have caffeine in them. Which means we are well above are recommended dose from the FDA. Furthermore the FDA classifies caffeine as a drug.
so do you also think that water is dangerous because if you drink too much of it one will die?
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I was just being pedantic. I know what you meant and I get it. My point was we all need to be a little more clear. I personally disagree, but that's ok too.0
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Ginseng green tea water with lemon all work too I did the caffeine n it lost it's zip after awhile0
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I have a fat burner that I bought ages ago (cellucor HD) - I'm well aware it's not actually burning any fat but it helps me focus when I need an extra kick in the butt that coffee just isn't providing. That said - they're gimmicky for sure and I think it's important not to rely on them every time you need to exert yourself.1
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figureitout87 wrote: »I have a fat burner that I bought ages ago (cellucor HD) - I'm well aware it's not actually burning any fat but it helps me focus when I need an extra kick in the butt that coffee just isn't providing. That said - they're gimmicky for sure and I think it's important not to rely on them every time you need to exert yourself.
I agree with you as you know lol. Five years ago where were pre-workouts. They were pretty much irrelevant in the fitness industry. However, popular athletes and health individuals have push this product with supplement companies and it is the new fad1 -
There's an overwhelming amount of evidence in support of caffeine having ergogenic effects.
I DO think pre-workouts are over-used and many people think they need them. I just drink coffee.
But I think saying "chemical" without saying which specific ingredient you take issue with, is rather silly. If you're going to take issue with a specific ingredient, tell us why. Just saying chemical literally says nothing. Water is a chemical.
I think you know exactly what I was referring to when I meant chemicals. It is loaded with garbage. Including caffeine which is garbage! Please do not get into chemistry with me as I have a minor in chemistry. I am well aware of the chemical composition of water.
Why is caffeine garbage?
it's the reason I'm not in jail- pretty sure that automatically makes it not garbage.
caffeine is why the world works.
I also think coffee is a perfectly acceptable preworkout- and I'm a cheap f*kc soooooo I refuse to pay for pre-workout outside of my gallons of foldgers.3 -
IMO, if someone feels they need to ingest more than the 400 mg of caffeine daily considered safe for most adults by medical experts, I would think they need some thoughtful review of their dietary and sleeping habits.1
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figureitout87 wrote: »I have a fat burner that I bought ages ago (cellucor HD) - I'm well aware it's not actually burning any fat but it helps me focus when I need an extra kick in the butt that coffee just isn't providing. That said - they're gimmicky for sure and I think it's important not to rely on them every time you need to exert yourself.
I agree with you as you know lol. Five years ago where were pre-workouts. They were pretty much irrelevant in the fitness industry. However, popular athletes and health individuals have push this product with supplement companies and it is the new fad
Totally, and I'm 100% guilty of making the purchasing decision based off someone I follow on YouTube1 -
figureitout87 wrote: »figureitout87 wrote: »I have a fat burner that I bought ages ago (cellucor HD) - I'm well aware it's not actually burning any fat but it helps me focus when I need an extra kick in the butt that coffee just isn't providing. That said - they're gimmicky for sure and I think it's important not to rely on them every time you need to exert yourself.
I agree with you as you know lol. Five years ago where were pre-workouts. They were pretty much irrelevant in the fitness industry. However, popular athletes and health individuals have push this product with supplement companies and it is the new fad
Totally, and I'm 100% guilty of making the purchasing decision based off someone I follow on YouTube
That's what supp companies hope for And because caffeine is addictive they have the perfect supp.
If you live anywhere near where there is a Dunkin' Donuts you'll see what I'm talking about. Each day of the week especially on weekends there is a line of people waiting similar to that of a meth lab passing out drugs! We all know it's true, we've all seen the lines , waited in the drive-through for 15 minutes or stood inside Starbucks or Dunkin' Donuts for 10, 15, 20 minutes in order to get our fix0 -
figureitout87 wrote: »figureitout87 wrote: »I have a fat burner that I bought ages ago (cellucor HD) - I'm well aware it's not actually burning any fat but it helps me focus when I need an extra kick in the butt that coffee just isn't providing. That said - they're gimmicky for sure and I think it's important not to rely on them every time you need to exert yourself.
I agree with you as you know lol. Five years ago where were pre-workouts. They were pretty much irrelevant in the fitness industry. However, popular athletes and health individuals have push this product with supplement companies and it is the new fad
Totally, and I'm 100% guilty of making the purchasing decision based off someone I follow on YouTube
That's what supp companies hope for And because caffeine is addictive they have the perfect supp.
If you live anywhere near where there is a Dunkin' Donuts you'll see what I'm talking about. Each day of the week especially on weekends there is a line of people waiting similar to that of a meth lab passing out drugs! We all know it's true, we've all seen the lines , waited in the drive-through for 15 minutes or stood inside Starbucks or Dunkin' Donuts for 10, 15, 20 minutes in order to get our fix
That could be due to their sugar addiction.
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But where do you draw the line? If someone gets an adrenalin rush from some activity, then becomes addicted to that rush, is that activity then dangerous?
"fixes" come in all shapes and sizes for different people.2 -
Very true! I've gone through major caffeine habits but I'm pretty decent now (maybe once or twice a week). I love coffee, but I rarely start my day with it anymore. If I'm low on energy I'd rather fix it with hydration or better sleep instead of supplementing caffeine throughout the day.
I have been using the Cellucor for my workouts, but I've noticed my sleep quality is taking a hit so I'm going to have to let that go because I hate waking up groggy.1 -
The FDA recommends 100 to 200mg a day. Most pre-workouts have between 135 235 mg per scope. Almost all of the food we eat has caffeine in it and a lot of the drinks we drink have caffeine in them. Which means we are well above are recommended dose from the FDA. Furthermore the FDA classifies caffeine as a drug.
Almost all the food we eat has caffeine in it?
I had roast broccoli for lunch. Everyone knows that broccoli grows only in soil that has previously grown coffee bushes, so the caffeine soaks into the soil and travels back up through the broccoli stems. That's why your broccoli turns brown if you don't eat it right away - it's the coffee coming back out. It's harder for the coffee to get all the way up into fruit trees, which is why the government has to caffeinate apples and citrus fruit using chemtrails.
All our food has caffeine in it, jfc. I need a tinfoil hat right now.6 -
Basically what I'm trying to tell me what is that real food is a much better alternative spending your money on supplements that aren't necessary. I am as busy as tired as anyone there with is, we are all busy, we are all tired. in my opinion just going to the gym, just being there, understanding my goals and my desires gets me ramped up enough1
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Larissa_NY wrote: »The FDA recommends 100 to 200mg a day. Most pre-workouts have between 135 235 mg per scope. Almost all of the food we eat has caffeine in it and a lot of the drinks we drink have caffeine in them. Which means we are well above are recommended dose from the FDA. Furthermore the FDA classifies caffeine as a drug.
Almost all the food we eat has caffeine in it?
I had roast broccoli for lunch. Everyone knows that broccoli grows only in soil that has previously grown coffee bushes, so the caffeine soaks into the soil and travels back up through the broccoli stems. That's why your broccoli turns brown if you don't eat it right away - it's the coffee coming back out. It's harder for the coffee to get all the way up into fruit trees, which is why the government has to caffeinate apples and citrus fruit using chemtrails.
All our food has caffeine in it, jfc. I need a tinfoil hat right now.
I dunno about caffeine, but I love me some Tomacco!
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Basically what I'm trying to tell me what is that real food is a much better alternative spending your money on supplements that aren't necessary. I am as busy as tired as anyone there with is, we are all busy, we are all tired. in my opinion just going to the gym, just being there, understanding my goals and my desires gets me ramped up enough
I would agree. Up until I retired a couple months ago, I was up at 4:15 to get to the gym by 5:00. Worked out, cleaned up, 45 minute commute, work 9-10 hours, back to town, household chores, volunteer, hang out at bit, in bed by 10:00.
Haven't really be ingesting much caffeine for the last 20 years1 -
So this thread started out claiming "garbage", then "excess", and has now circled around to "preference". Too bad.
As someone with a pretty lousy diet and who spends a meaningful amount of money on supplements and stims, it would have been nice to see some actual arguments made regarding the pros and cons of getting "what you need" from food vs dietary supplements (using that term pretty loosely).
I'm not one of those "post a study or your claim is crap" people, but I would like to see a reasonable argument be made.
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Larissa_NY wrote: »The FDA recommends 100 to 200mg a day. Most pre-workouts have between 135 235 mg per scope. Almost all of the food we eat has caffeine in it and a lot of the drinks we drink have caffeine in them. Which means we are well above are recommended dose from the FDA. Furthermore the FDA classifies caffeine as a drug.
Almost all the food we eat has caffeine in it?
I had roast broccoli for lunch. Everyone knows that broccoli grows only in soil that has previously grown coffee bushes, so the caffeine soaks into the soil and travels back up through the broccoli stems. That's why your broccoli turns brown if you don't eat it right away - it's the coffee coming back out. It's harder for the coffee to get all the way up into fruit trees, which is why the government has to caffeinate apples and citrus fruit using chemtrails.
All our food has caffeine in it, jfc. I need a tinfoil hat right now.
Back when manufacturers started making aluminum foil instead of tinfoil, they found that they had to spray caffeine on one side to reinforce the superstructure, otherwise the material is unreasonably fragile at that volume. That is why one side of aluminum foil is shiny, and the other side is dull. Please keep that in mind when you make your hat.8 -
figureitout87 wrote: »I have a fat burner that I bought ages ago (cellucor HD) - I'm well aware it's not actually burning any fat but it helps me focus when I need an extra kick in the butt that coffee just isn't providing. That said - they're gimmicky for sure and I think it's important not to rely on them every time you need to exert yourself.
I agree with you as you know lol. Five years ago where were pre-workouts. They were pretty much irrelevant in the fitness industry. However, popular athletes and health individuals have push this product with supplement companies and it is the new fad
Uhhhhhh more like late early 2000's... Jack3d, No-Xplode, C4, etc. Pre-workouts have been around for a quite a while.
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LolBroScience wrote: »figureitout87 wrote: »I have a fat burner that I bought ages ago (cellucor HD) - I'm well aware it's not actually burning any fat but it helps me focus when I need an extra kick in the butt that coffee just isn't providing. That said - they're gimmicky for sure and I think it's important not to rely on them every time you need to exert yourself.
I agree with you as you know lol. Five years ago where were pre-workouts. They were pretty much irrelevant in the fitness industry. However, popular athletes and health individuals have push this product with supplement companies and it is the new fad
Uhhhhhh more like late early 2000's... Jack3d, No-Xplode, C4, etc. Pre-workouts have been around for a quite a while.
I knew a bunch of guys who were taking NO-Xplode (and other PWOs) at least 11-12 years ago. It's not like this is some new thing that suddenly just appeared on the market.1 -
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Larissa_NY wrote: »The FDA recommends 100 to 200mg a day. Most pre-workouts have between 135 235 mg per scope. Almost all of the food we eat has caffeine in it and a lot of the drinks we drink have caffeine in them. Which means we are well above are recommended dose from the FDA. Furthermore the FDA classifies caffeine as a drug.
Almost all the food we eat has caffeine in it?
I had roast broccoli for lunch. Everyone knows that broccoli grows only in soil that has previously grown coffee bushes, so the caffeine soaks into the soil and travels back up through the broccoli stems. That's why your broccoli turns brown if you don't eat it right away - it's the coffee coming back out. It's harder for the coffee to get all the way up into fruit trees, which is why the government has to caffeinate apples and citrus fruit using chemtrails.
All our food has caffeine in it, jfc. I need a tinfoil hat right now.
This is fantastic. Nicely done
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LolBroScience wrote: »figureitout87 wrote: »I have a fat burner that I bought ages ago (cellucor HD) - I'm well aware it's not actually burning any fat but it helps me focus when I need an extra kick in the butt that coffee just isn't providing. That said - they're gimmicky for sure and I think it's important not to rely on them every time you need to exert yourself.
I agree with you as you know lol. Five years ago where were pre-workouts. They were pretty much irrelevant in the fitness industry. However, popular athletes and health individuals have push this product with supplement companies and it is the new fad
Uhhhhhh more like late early 2000's... Jack3d, No-Xplode, C4, etc. Pre-workouts have been around for a quite a while.
Try MUCH longer. Is no one here old enough to remember the original Ultimate Orange from the early 90s? It was yet another that fell to the ephedra ban in the early 2000s. All of the reformulations were garba...I just realized something.
No wonder pwos blew up in popularity in the early 2000s. Everyone was just EC dosing before that. Inb4 government/supplement industry conspiracy:1 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »figureitout87 wrote: »I have a fat burner that I bought ages ago (cellucor HD) - I'm well aware it's not actually burning any fat but it helps me focus when I need an extra kick in the butt that coffee just isn't providing. That said - they're gimmicky for sure and I think it's important not to rely on them every time you need to exert yourself.
I agree with you as you know lol. Five years ago where were pre-workouts. They were pretty much irrelevant in the fitness industry. However, popular athletes and health individuals have push this product with supplement companies and it is the new fad
Uhhhhhh more like late early 2000's... Jack3d, No-Xplode, C4, etc. Pre-workouts have been around for a quite a while.
Try MUCH longer. Is no one here old enough to remember the original Ultimate Orange from the early 90s? It was yet another that fell to the ephedra ban in the early 2000s. All of the reformulations were garba...I just realized something.
No wonder pwos blew up in popularity in the early 2000s. Everyone was just EC dosing before that. Inb4 government/supplement industry conspiracy:
I was speaking from a popularity standpoint. I do agree they've been around much longer and have been popular much longer than "the last five years".0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »figureitout87 wrote: »I have a fat burner that I bought ages ago (cellucor HD) - I'm well aware it's not actually burning any fat but it helps me focus when I need an extra kick in the butt that coffee just isn't providing. That said - they're gimmicky for sure and I think it's important not to rely on them every time you need to exert yourself.
I agree with you as you know lol. Five years ago where were pre-workouts. They were pretty much irrelevant in the fitness industry. However, popular athletes and health individuals have push this product with supplement companies and it is the new fad
Uhhhhhh more like late early 2000's... Jack3d, No-Xplode, C4, etc. Pre-workouts have been around for a quite a while.
Try MUCH longer. Is no one here old enough to remember the original Ultimate Orange from the early 90s? It was yet another that fell to the ephedra ban in the early 2000s. All of the reformulations were garba...I just realized something.
No wonder pwos blew up in popularity in the early 2000s. Everyone was just EC dosing before that. Inb4 government/supplement industry conspiracy:
I was speaking from a popularity standpoint. I do agree they've been around much longer and have been popular much longer than "the last five years".
Yeah they have been around for a long time, but also agree they have seen a surge in popularity. Could you imagine back in the day someone asking what kind of preworkout to take before a half hour session on an eliptical?0 -
Has anyone ever tried cat urine as a pre-workout? I heard a sip of that and you're running like an olympic athlete.... The destination of the run is irrelevant. We're all gonna make it! One day you may. Kill it!
Whatever it takes!-1 -
Has anyone ever tried cat urine as a pre-workout? I heard a sip of that and you're running like an olympic athlete.... The destination of the run is irrelevant. We're all gonna make it! One day you may. Kill it!
Whatever it takes!
IIRC, Lyoto Machida supposedly recycles (his own?) urine.1
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