Doing Fitness programs as outlined
lin7604
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Ok I am wondering if this only bothers me or if others feel the same.
I get that fitness programs are created for a reason in their layout. But!!! Why do so many freak out when you don't follow a program as outlined? Isn't any exercise better then none at all? Maybe it's not all about results and just to be moving and being healthy???
I have several friends that are using the bb demand and just flip flop though programs depending on how they feel that day. Which imo is still great as they are still exercising... yet so many coaches I have spoken to freak out when you don't follow a program as outlined. I had quite a few speak their mind to me this week because of what I choose to do. Shouldn't there just be support that we are moving??!!!
I get that fitness programs are created for a reason in their layout. But!!! Why do so many freak out when you don't follow a program as outlined? Isn't any exercise better then none at all? Maybe it's not all about results and just to be moving and being healthy???
I have several friends that are using the bb demand and just flip flop though programs depending on how they feel that day. Which imo is still great as they are still exercising... yet so many coaches I have spoken to freak out when you don't follow a program as outlined. I had quite a few speak their mind to me this week because of what I choose to do. Shouldn't there just be support that we are moving??!!!
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Yes, any exercise is better than none. If you have some specific goals you want to accomplish with body composition then it's far better to follow a program as it is written. Ultimately it is up to each person though, and modifying programming or jumping around in a program is likely to result in slower progress (again, for someone with very specific goals and not the average person).
ETA: If you pay a coach or trainer for a program and don't follow it as it is written it's rude and to a degree you're wasting their time.5 -
You need tough love0
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It doesn't bother me unless that person tries saying that the program doesn't work. Well, of course it didn't work for you - you didn't do it.
Generally, I don't think it's a good idea - what your friends are doing - simply because certain body parts are probably getting neglected. That's how imbalances and injuries tend to happen. There's no guarantee of either, though.4 -
Any exercise is better than none...but really, I wouldn't see the point in paying/having a coach if you didn't have goals that went beyond just moving a little more and getting some general exercise.
I have a coach and I pay him handsomely when I work with him and he provides me programming based on my stated goals and I trust that he is providing me with the best training protocol to achieve those things...so not sure why I wouldn't follow his program as outlined. If I just went off and did something else, I'd more or less be wasting his time.
ETA: just flip flopping around and doing randomness is also a good way to develop muscular imbalances2 -
I follow an online program and I have a tendency to change my programming around (I follow it maybe 75%), however our coach encourages it.. but it is a group program and not tailored to me. I do think if you hire someone one on one who designs a program specifically for you and you don't follow it, well ya I agree with usmcmp, that would be pretty disrespectful and shows a lack of trust in your coach.
Generally, I think when you know what works and what doesn't for your body there is nothing wrong with tweaking things... provided you have the experience and are progressing as desired. I think if you follow a program and at the end of it go "well why am I not seeing results..." then you have to ask yourself if what you are doing is a good idea.1 -
Ok I am wondering if this only bothers me or if others feel the same.
I get that fitness programs are created for a reason in their layout. But!!! Why do so many freak out when you don't follow a program as outlined? Isn't any exercise better then none at all? Maybe it's not all about results and just to be moving and being healthy???
I have several friends that are using the bb demand and just flip flop though programs depending on how they feel that day. Which imo is still great as they are still exercising... yet so many coaches I have spoken to freak out when you don't follow a program as outlined. I had quite a few speak their mind to me this week because of what I choose to do. Shouldn't there just be support that we are moving??!!!
The regular uncritical cheerleading Vs constructive feedback debate.
If success to you is did some stuff then that's fine. If you want to see progress, you need to train for progress.0 -
I work under the assumption that the people who wrote the training programs I've followed have more general training knowledge/experience than I do. I follow the programs of written when I start. After a certain amount of time I might tweak them a bit based on what works better for me based on my experience or goals. But if I had a trainer writing an actual custom program for me I would follow it as written since I would communicate my goals to that person and expect her to be helping me move toward meeting them.4
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. For one, I am not paying a coach for anything and never would. I'm just referring to beachbody coaches who think they are personAl trainers.Yes, any exercise is better than none. If you have some specific goals you want to accomplish with body composition then it's far better to follow a program as it is written. Ultimately it is up to each person though, and modifying programming or jumping around in a program is likely to result in slower progress (again, for someone with very specific goals and not the average person).
ETA: If you pay a coach or trainer for a program and don't follow it as it is written it's rude and to a degree you're wasting their time.
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And why is that? Because I am just happy that I am moving and exercising?bigmuneymfp wrote: »You need tough love
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Any exercise is better than none...but really, I wouldn't see the point in paying/having a coach if you didn't have goals that went beyond just moving a little more and getting some general exercise.
I have a coach and I pay him handsomely when I work with him and he provides me programming based on my stated goals and I trust that he is providing me with the best training protocol to achieve those things...so not sure why I wouldn't follow his program as outlined. If I just went off and did something else, I'd more or less be wasting his time.
ETA: just flip flopping around and doing randomness is also a good way to develop muscular imbalances
Just referring to beachbody coaches. That's all. Should of added it to my original post0 -
Speaking from a coach's perspective, I put things in my clients' programs based on what I feel they need to reach their intended goals - nothing more, nothing less. While you may feel there is things in there that are not necessary, whoever wrote your program (hopefully) had a good reason for putting them there.
With that said, if you eliminate 1 of the 4 sets of squats I prescribed for you that day because you ran a marathon the day prior, that's perfectly ok.0 -
.Yes, any exercise is better than none. If you have some specific goals you want to accomplish with body composition then it's far better to follow a program as it is written. Ultimately it is up to each person though, and modifying programming or jumping around in a program is likely to result in slower progress (again, for someone with very specific goals and not the average person).
ETA: If you pay a coach or trainer for a program and don't follow it as it is written it's rude and to a degree you're wasting their time.
For one, I am not paying a coach for anything and never would. I'm just referring to beachbody coaches who think they are personAl trainers.
I didn't say you personally were, I thought this was a general discussion on people. You can refer to a single person or a group of people.0 -
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Sorry all I should of added in my original post, I was just referring to beachbody coaches. Not real coaches!
I'll give my example where it annoyed me. I haven't exercised this year and was starting to get myself up and ready to restart things this week. I decided I was going to go hammer and chisel. But.... I was just going to do the chisel 30 day calendar just to get myself back into routine and motivated. Imo the workouts are very similar to 21 day fix.. once I was able to get past that first month I was going to do the whole program for the 60 days as outlined. My reason for this was cause the chisel workouts are a good combo of everything. Plus sagi irritates me and with just getting back into things I needed to make sure I'm doing something I'll stick with! If I can get through the first 30 days then I'm good in general! But yet 9 out of 10 people I spoke to who are if course beach body coaches all flipped their Gaskets that I was doing that! Only one was supportive and said do what u need. To just to get back into the swing of things. Do what will work and keep u motivated. I was so surprised because I would of thought I would of got a lot more support in the fact I was getting off my *kitten* to begin with!0 -
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I tend to stick with programs that people that know a lot more about this stuff than me have designed.
Yeah, that. ^^ (Which does NOT include BB coaches.)0 -
Maybe just stop sharing your plans with salesmen?2
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Good pint .. I guess it's just because I was looking for support! Which I did not get!amyrebeccah wrote: »Beachbody coaches are trying to make sales. They make sales partly based on people's reviews and seeing results. If they get a bunch of people saying "I tried Hammer and Chisel and it didn't make any difference at all," that lowers sales. And can be extra frustrating if the people really didn't fully try the program and are wondering why they didn't see a difference.
Now I've seen the other end of the oversensitivity for sure. In a bodypump class, my husband modified a bench press to help with a shoulder injury (just changed to a neutral grip) and the instructor freaked out.
That said, if you don't use a coach, and have your threshold set at "happy I am moving and exercising" what do you care what other people's coaches think?
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Good pint .. I guess it's just because I was looking for support! Which I did not get!amyrebeccah wrote: »Beachbody coaches are trying to make sales. They make sales partly based on people's reviews and seeing results. If they get a bunch of people saying "I tried Hammer and Chisel and it didn't make any difference at all," that lowers sales. And can be extra frustrating if the people really didn't fully try the program and are wondering why they didn't see a difference.
Now I've seen the other end of the oversensitivity for sure. In a bodypump class, my husband modified a bench press to help with a shoulder injury (just changed to a neutral grip) and the instructor freaked out.
That said, if you don't use a coach, and have your threshold set at "happy I am moving and exercising" what do you care what other people's coaches think?
They'll support you if they think they can make money off of you.1 -
But they may right.... there is always another program coming out all the time. So why would of be negative? Being negative will only lose them their next sale...
Good pint .. I guess it's just because I was looking for support! Which I did not get!amyrebeccah wrote: »Beachbody coaches are trying to make sales. They make sales partly based on people's reviews and seeing results. If they get a bunch of people saying "I tried Hammer and Chisel and it didn't make any difference at all," that lowers sales. And can be extra frustrating if the people really didn't fully try the program and are wondering why they didn't see a difference.
Now I've seen the other end of the oversensitivity for sure. In a bodypump class, my husband modified a bench press to help with a shoulder injury (just changed to a neutral grip) and the instructor freaked out.
That said, if you don't use a coach, and have your threshold set at "happy I am moving and exercising" what do you care what other people's coaches think?
They'll support you if they think they can make money off of you.
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But they may right.... there is always another program coming out all the time. So why would of be negative? Being negative will only lose them their next sale...
Good pint .. I guess it's just because I was looking for support! Which I did not get!amyrebeccah wrote: »Beachbody coaches are trying to make sales. They make sales partly based on people's reviews and seeing results. If they get a bunch of people saying "I tried Hammer and Chisel and it didn't make any difference at all," that lowers sales. And can be extra frustrating if the people really didn't fully try the program and are wondering why they didn't see a difference.
Now I've seen the other end of the oversensitivity for sure. In a bodypump class, my husband modified a bench press to help with a shoulder injury (just changed to a neutral grip) and the instructor freaked out.
That said, if you don't use a coach, and have your threshold set at "happy I am moving and exercising" what do you care what other people's coaches think?
They'll support you if they think they can make money off of you.
I think it was more of them trying to make you feel like they are the experts. Get someone to depend on you for information and it's easier to sell them shakes or videos.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Any exercise is better than none...but really, I wouldn't see the point in paying/having a coach if you didn't have goals that went beyond just moving a little more and getting some general exercise.
I have a coach and I pay him handsomely when I work with him and he provides me programming based on my stated goals and I trust that he is providing me with the best training protocol to achieve those things...so not sure why I wouldn't follow his program as outlined. If I just went off and did something else, I'd more or less be wasting his time.
ETA: just flip flopping around and doing randomness is also a good way to develop muscular imbalances
Just referring to beachbody coaches. That's all. Should of added it to my original post
Ah...the only thing I know about beach body coach's is that pretty much anyone can be one and they're for the most part sales.2 -
the main problem I am seeing is "beachbody"...
ditch it and go with strong lifts, wendlers, all pro beginner, etc...1 -
It depends on the programme.
When doing something that is more cardio oriented, 30day shred etc, I don't worry if I switch a move out so long as I am moving.
When I am lifting it is a different story. The lifts are designed so the most taxing comes first, and the accessories come last, and so the same muscle group is not used consecutively, and each muscle group gets a pull and a push. This gives you the best workout with the least stress and chance of injury, following the lift order is in your best interest.
Same with sets and reps, they are designed to give one the optimum results.
I don't find a problem with having to work up to a routine as written so long as one is following the programme and realizing it is a variation. ie: Push-ups started from the wall, Squats started with dumbbells.
If you are getting grief because you are switching up a programme ask the 'why'. If they can't give you an answer talk to a more seasoned 'coach'.
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I have the BB online but no coach. I am doing H&C but only the lifting workouts. I sub the mainly cardio workouts for trail runs. I don't think anything is wrong with that. I just signed up online so I never had to deal with their coaches.1
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I guess it depends on your goals.... If you want to build significant strength/muscle/conditioning/whatever it may be, you probably won't benefit nearly as much from program jumping as you would from following something specific for a significant amount of time. If you're just a person wanting to get in better shape or lose a few pounds it's not really as crucial, I would agree doing something is better than nothing.
I jumped strength programs for a long time, and it was a waste of time. Time which could have been spent sticking to one program and actually getting stronger.2 -
Sorry all I should of added in my original post, I was just referring to beachbody coaches. Not real coaches!
I'll give my example where it annoyed me. I haven't exercised this year and was starting to get myself up and ready to restart things this week. I decided I was going to go hammer and chisel. But.... I was just going to do the chisel 30 day calendar just to get myself back into routine and motivated. Imo the workouts are very similar to 21 day fix.. once I was able to get past that first month I was going to do the whole program for the 60 days as outlined. My reason for this was cause the chisel workouts are a good combo of everything. Plus sagi irritates me and with just getting back into things I needed to make sure I'm doing something I'll stick with! If I can get through the first 30 days then I'm good in general! But yet 9 out of 10 people I spoke to who are if course beach body coaches all flipped their Gaskets that I was doing that! Only one was supportive and said do what u need. To just to get back into the swing of things. Do what will work and keep u motivated. I was so surprised because I would of thought I would of got a lot more support in the fact I was getting off my *kitten* to begin with!
BB programs are pretty solid in the way they are arranged, although I did think H&C had several instances where you were working the same muscle group 2 days in a row. It wasn't my favorite program, although I did find Sagi to be less annoying. I think as long as you are subbing in comparable workouts, it's fine. I wonder if in this particular instance, the issue is that the 30 day chisel is meant to be done after the program to help maintain results, and they are concerned about the risk of injury if you are just getting back into a routine. I think the chisel workouts were slightly tougher, but the mix of workouts gave a little more balance and recovery.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Any exercise is better than none...but really, I wouldn't see the point in paying/having a coach if you didn't have goals that went beyond just moving a little more and getting some general exercise.
I have a coach and I pay him handsomely when I work with him and he provides me programming based on my stated goals and I trust that he is providing me with the best training protocol to achieve those things...so not sure why I wouldn't follow his program as outlined. If I just went off and did something else, I'd more or less be wasting his time.
ETA: just flip flopping around and doing randomness is also a good way to develop muscular imbalances
Just referring to beachbody coaches. That's all. Should of added it to my original post
Ah...the only thing I know about beach body coach's is that pretty much anyone can be one and they're for the most part sales.
Anybody with $39.99 in their pocket can become a beachbody "coach". It requires no knowledge, education or training in regards to health, nutrition or fitness. It says so right in their "coach" FAQ:Do I need to be a fitness expert?
No, you don’t need to be a fitness or weight-loss expert to become a Beachbody Coach. You just need to be ready to commit to changing your life.
All they are is shake peddlers. Most of them know diddly-squat about fitness or nutrition. They paid their $39.99 and now they get to call themselves "coaches" and peddle their Snakeoilogy.
As it relates to the original question, with the added context of pertaining specifically to beachbody workouts, the "coaches" don't know enough to understand how to scale a workout or build progression into it. All they know is "Here's a video, push play and follow along". They aren't trained any further than that. But they can sure sell you a crappy, overpriced shake and spout the company line about all the miraculous, magical stuff in it.1 -
Good pint .. I guess it's just because I was looking for support! Which I did not get!see I have been friends with these gals for years. So I thought they would show support.
makes sense that you would think expect that. but i think this speaks more to your friends [and maybe 'your friends in combination with beachbody'] than 'people' in general.
i don't blame you for being disappointed. i just don't think that it's really about who's 'right' and 'wrong' here in the more technical programming sense. what i'm hearing it comes down to is: your friends disappointed you. so you could either ditch the friends or try talking to them about it and see what comes out of that.
and meanwhile in your shoes i'd probably stick to confiding in the one who reacted more sensibly. i don't talk to every one of my friends about every workout because a) some of them aren't interested, b) some of them know nothing about it, so they don't have much to say back, c) some of them are interested in me and they care, but they know nothing about it and tend to freak out.1 -
it depends on the program, your goals and your experience.
If you are a complete beginner (or just a beginner at a specific sport/exercise routine) being creative might even get you hurt.
If you have very specific goals, usually you also follow a strict routine.
But for the people in between, with some experience and just looking for general fitness, it si not that big of a problem1
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