Yet another study shows no weight loss benefit for low-carb
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As an overweight medic myself, quite frankly I don't care how people get the weight off as long as they get it off. Whatever works for them and all that.
I am doing Low carb diet because I feel that I have a steady drip of energy rather than sugar highs and lows. My brain is functioning better, and I am not snacking. My body is only burning the fat, not fat and muscle. So it's working for me, but if low-calorie diets are better for you then that's fab - keep at it.
Your body isn't only burning fat. Sorry.8 -
Full article: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311279409_Visceral_adiposity_and_metabolic_syndrome_after_very_high-fat_and_low-fat_isocaloric_diets_a_randomized_controlled_trial_12
Many, if not most, low carbers find that the improved weight loss rate on a LCHF diet is simply due to appetite reduction. They are less hungry and are able to eat less with not as much effort.
The studies that have found an increase in weight loss have found that it mostly equalizes within a year. There may be a slight benefit in the first few months (by slight I mean just a few pounds) but the gap narrows by 12 months. If there is a metabolic advantage, it doesn't happen in everyone (those with IR seem to slightly benefit) and it isn't much.
I don't care what the research says.. experience shows it works to help lose weight. We have to take research with a grain of salt. I wonder how many subjects they had?0 -
goldengirl111 wrote: »Full article: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311279409_Visceral_adiposity_and_metabolic_syndrome_after_very_high-fat_and_low-fat_isocaloric_diets_a_randomized_controlled_trial_12
Many, if not most, low carbers find that the improved weight loss rate on a LCHF diet is simply due to appetite reduction. They are less hungry and are able to eat less with not as much effort.
The studies that have found an increase in weight loss have found that it mostly equalizes within a year. There may be a slight benefit in the first few months (by slight I mean just a few pounds) but the gap narrows by 12 months. If there is a metabolic advantage, it doesn't happen in everyone (those with IR seem to slightly benefit) and it isn't much.
I don't care what the research says.. experience shows it works to help lose weight. We have to take research with a grain of salt. I wonder how many subjects they had?
The research doesn't say you can't lose weight doing low carb. It says you don't lose weight *over and above* the weight you'd expect to lose from the caloric deficit you're at. If eating low card helps you have that caloric deficit, it's a good plan for you.7 -
As an overweight medic myself, quite frankly I don't care how people get the weight off as long as they get it off. Whatever works for them and all that.
I am doing Low carb diet because I feel that I have a steady drip of energy rather than sugar highs and lows. My brain is functioning better, and I am not snacking. My body is only burning the fat, not fat and muscle. So it's working for me, but if low-calorie diets are better for you then that's fab - keep at it.
This is not correct. Even if you are ketogenic, your body will still burn fat and sugar as your body runs off of glucose (i.e., glucenogenesis). Your ratio of fat oxidation to carb oxidation might favor fat, but it's not going to be substantial. And a person generally doesn't just burn muscle. When it doesn't it's generally from aggressive weight loss, in adequate protein, and/or no resistance training.0 -
Successful low-carbers (i.e. they lose weight) report good appetite control with this WOE allowing them to get a calorie deficit going while not feeling hungry. This isn't universal however. There are people for whom this phenomena simply doesn't happen. They're just as hungry/satiated on low carb diet as they are on any other.
I wish I got the appetite suppression people on low-carb diets report. I don't.1 -
The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
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The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.7 -
The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.
I don't understand this either. I can eat all sorts of carbs and stay within my calories for the day and be full.5 -
The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.
I had hit a rough patch with out of control hunger and cravings lately and have been desperately playing with macro ratios for months trying to find one that worked best. I finally found my sweet spot. Carbs are what allow me to eat to fullness, in fact. I've revamped how I eat and was surprised to discover that the combination of a lot of starch (things like whole grains and beans, legumes, and tubers) and protein (from cottage cheese, yogurt, beans) was what has done the trick for me to regulate my appetite naturally.
I have no cravings any more, and I still have caramel syrup every night on my dessert of yogurt and fruit. I have no urges to binge on breakfast cereal any more. I have no out of control hunger. My running has improved. I have no problems sticking to my planned eating schedule.
Mileage varies. This is what works for me. Obviously, lower carb works for the people for whom it works. I'm sharing this to show that their experience is most definitely not universal.6 -
The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
Carbs are NOT a drug, that is just ridiculous....4 -
The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.
For you. Others find carbs problematic. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.3 -
LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.
For you. Others find carbs problematic. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.
problematic does not rise to the level of a drug..
people also have a problem over eating fatty foods and just calories in general does that mean that fats or calories are drug like?? Of course not...5 -
People are different. Some people get great satiety from a low carb diet. Others need carbs in order to feel sated.
I had out-of-control hunger on South Beach Phase 1. Low carb WOE leads me to binge on protein. Not kidding. I was standing in front of the refrigerator stuffing MULTIPLE grilled chicken breasts (or other protein sources) into my mouth and that was after a big dinner yet I could not get full.
I gained on South Beach Phase 1 because the satiety that should have resulted from this WOE wasn't there for me.
I can eat a huge steak, salad and vegetables and still go back for seconds or thirds.
When I incorporate whole grains, starchy carbs and eat a well balanced diet I am sated and am able to eat with a reasonable deficit.
I couldn't get anything close to a deficit on low-carb.3 -
LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.
For you. Others find carbs problematic. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.
I think the biggest issue many people face is the assertion that a macronutrient can be equated to a drug... where some people have had to deal with drug or alcohol issues in the passed. This doesn't even take into consideration they way variety of foods that fall within the spectrum of what a carb is.... fruits, veggies, beans, breads, oats, etc.... But often when people talk about not being filled by carbs, its things like candy, pancakes, muffins, donuts, etc... which are made up of more than just carbs.
Now don't get me wrong, satiation can widely vary by foods.3 -
MadriverDell wrote: »People are different. Some people get great satiety from a low carb diet. Others need carbs in order to feel sated.
I had out-of-control hunger on South Beach Phase 1. Low carb WOE leads me to binge on protein. Not kidding. I was standing in front of the refrigerator stuffing MULTIPLE grilled chicken breasts (or other protein sources) into my mouth and that was after a big dinner yet I could not get full.
I gained on South Beach Phase 1 because the satiety that should have resulted from this WOE wasn't there for me.
I can eat a huge steak, salad and vegetables and still go back for seconds or thirds.
When I incorporate whole grains, starchy carbs and eat a well balanced diet I am sated and am able to eat with a reasonable deficit.
I couldn't get anything close to a deficit on low-carb.
I binge when I try to lower my carbs too. And when I did flat out low carb, my favorite binge foods were chicken legs and egg salad.
I recently tried to up my fibrous veggie intake and I cut my starch intake to have the calories to do it (I always keep my protein and fat constant). It was disastrous. It had me binging like a mad woman and my cravings were out of control it took me forever to figure out what was going on.
Thankfully, I finally have all that sorted.2 -
LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.
For you. Others find carbs problematic. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.
I think the biggest issue many people face is the assertion that a macronutrient can be equated to a drug... where some people have had to deal with drug or alcohol issues in the passed. This doesn't even take into consideration they way variety of foods that fall within the spectrum of what a carb is.... fruits, veggies, beans, breads, oats, etc.... But often when people talk about not being filled by carbs, its things like candy, pancakes, muffins, donuts, etc... which are made up of more than just carbs.
Now don't get me wrong, satiation can widely vary by foods.
When a new thread titled "I eat low carb, who else does?" pops up it takes under 5 posts for someone to tell a perfect stranger with a 5 line post that they don't *need* to eat low carb. While that may be true and there are studies that show it, I've yet to see a study posted showing that low carb is harmful or dangerous. Its meat, veggies, and some extra fat. As for the drug references in this thread the post I saw said it FELT like a drug, not that it was. I took it as a metaphor, though I could've missed it if someone said it was a drug.4 -
LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.
For you. Others find carbs problematic. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.
I grasp it. The poster I responded spoke in absolutes when it's not absolute. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.3 -
LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.
For you. Others find carbs problematic. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.
I think the biggest issue many people face is the assertion that a macronutrient can be equated to a drug... where some people have had to deal with drug or alcohol issues in the passed. This doesn't even take into consideration they way variety of foods that fall within the spectrum of what a carb is.... fruits, veggies, beans, breads, oats, etc.... But often when people talk about not being filled by carbs, its things like candy, pancakes, muffins, donuts, etc... which are made up of more than just carbs.
Now don't get me wrong, satiation can widely vary by foods.
When a new thread titled "I eat low carb, who else does?" pops up it takes under 5 posts for someone to tell a perfect stranger with a 5 line post that they don't *need* to eat low carb. While that may be true and there are studies that show it, I've yet to see a study posted showing that low carb is harmful or dangerous. Its meat, veggies, and some extra fat. As for the drug references in this thread the post I saw said it FELT like a drug, not that it was. I took it as a metaphor, though I could've missed it if someone said it was a drug.
No one has ever said that LCHF is dangerous. And outside of addressing medical requirements, no one diet is necessary. It's all what will allow for compliance and adherence.1 -
LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.
For you. Others find carbs problematic. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.
I think the biggest issue many people face is the assertion that a macronutrient can be equated to a drug... where some people have had to deal with drug or alcohol issues in the passed. This doesn't even take into consideration they way variety of foods that fall within the spectrum of what a carb is.... fruits, veggies, beans, breads, oats, etc.... But often when people talk about not being filled by carbs, its things like candy, pancakes, muffins, donuts, etc... which are made up of more than just carbs.
Now don't get me wrong, satiation can widely vary by foods.
When a new thread titled "I eat low carb, who else does?" pops up it takes under 5 posts for someone to tell a perfect stranger with a 5 line post that they don't *need* to eat low carb. While that may be true and there are studies that show it, I've yet to see a study posted showing that low carb is harmful or dangerous. Its meat, veggies, and some extra fat. As for the drug references in this thread the post I saw said it FELT like a drug, not that it was. I took it as a metaphor, though I could've missed it if someone said it was a drug.
When a new thread pops up where a new dieter says they're struggling or hungry, it usually takes less than 5 posts before someone suggests that they try keto, regardless of dietary preference or asking if their deficit is too aggressive.
There's no need to resort to hyperbole or win a "battle" in order to justify your diet preference. You found a way of eating that works for you. That's great. There's no benefit to it other than it's what is working for you, suits your preferences, and has made it easy for you to stick to your deficit.
The reason this thread exists is because some keto gurus (and people who have followed them) have made outlandish claims about there being some extra benefit to the diet that does not exist. Full stop. End of story.
It's okay that that low carbing simply works by creating a deficit.
That finding an optimal macro balance for creating satiety while eating on a deficit is helpful is no big revelation, and it's not unique to low carb. I feel the same way about high carb (starch), high protein, low fat.
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LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.
For you. Others find carbs problematic. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.
I grasp it. The poster I responded spoke in absolutes when it's not absolute. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.
The poster you responded to said *almost* like a drug. As in a metaphor that is not absolute. So why respond by saying carbs don't equal destructive behaviors? That to me sounds like an absolute being applied to everyone when quite a few people have stated there experience is different.2 -
LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.
For you. Others find carbs problematic. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.
I grasp it. The poster I responded spoke in absolutes when it's not absolute. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.
The poster you responded to said *almost* like a drug. As in a metaphor that is not absolute. So why respond by saying carbs don't equal destructive behaviors? That to me sounds like an absolute being applied to everyone when quite a few people have stated there experience is different.
maybe because carbs never ,ever, ever equal drugs...so the even the hint of a comparison is ridiculous...2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.
For you. Others find carbs problematic. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.
I think the biggest issue many people face is the assertion that a macronutrient can be equated to a drug... where some people have had to deal with drug or alcohol issues in the passed. This doesn't even take into consideration they way variety of foods that fall within the spectrum of what a carb is.... fruits, veggies, beans, breads, oats, etc.... But often when people talk about not being filled by carbs, its things like candy, pancakes, muffins, donuts, etc... which are made up of more than just carbs.
Now don't get me wrong, satiation can widely vary by foods.
When a new thread titled "I eat low carb, who else does?" pops up it takes under 5 posts for someone to tell a perfect stranger with a 5 line post that they don't *need* to eat low carb. While that may be true and there are studies that show it, I've yet to see a study posted showing that low carb is harmful or dangerous. Its meat, veggies, and some extra fat. As for the drug references in this thread the post I saw said it FELT like a drug, not that it was. I took it as a metaphor, though I could've missed it if someone said it was a drug.
When a new thread pops up where a new dieter says they're struggling or hungry, it usually takes less than 5 posts before someone suggests that they try keto, regardless of dietary preference or asking if their deficit is too aggressive.
There's no need to resort to hyperbole or win a "battle" in order to justify your diet preference. You found a way of eating that works for you. That's great. There's no benefit to it other than it's what is working for you, suits your preferences, and has made it easy for you to stick to your deficit.
The reason this thread exists is because some keto gurus (and people who have followed them) have made outlandish claims about there being some extra benefit to the diet that does not exist. Full stop. End of story.
It's okay that that low carbing simply works by creating a deficit.
That finding an optimal macro balance for creating satiety while eating on a deficit is helpful is no big revelation, and it's not unique to low carb. I feel the same way about high carb (starch), high protein, low fat.
I'm sorry but I found the bolded ironic considering the number of "low carb is not necessary, I eat lots of carbs and lose weight" posts that are all over MFP. It seems the non-low carbers have a need to defend their way of eating as well.1 -
LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.
For you. Others find carbs problematic. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.
I think the biggest issue many people face is the assertion that a macronutrient can be equated to a drug... where some people have had to deal with drug or alcohol issues in the passed. This doesn't even take into consideration they way variety of foods that fall within the spectrum of what a carb is.... fruits, veggies, beans, breads, oats, etc.... But often when people talk about not being filled by carbs, its things like candy, pancakes, muffins, donuts, etc... which are made up of more than just carbs.
Now don't get me wrong, satiation can widely vary by foods.
When a new thread titled "I eat low carb, who else does?" pops up it takes under 5 posts for someone to tell a perfect stranger with a 5 line post that they don't *need* to eat low carb. While that may be true and there are studies that show it, I've yet to see a study posted showing that low carb is harmful or dangerous. Its meat, veggies, and some extra fat. As for the drug references in this thread the post I saw said it FELT like a drug, not that it was. I took it as a metaphor, though I could've missed it if someone said it was a drug.
No one has ever said that LCHF is dangerous. And outside of addressing medical requirements, no one diet is necessary. It's all what will allow for compliance and adherence.
Then why the need to work so hard to disprove something that is not dangerous if its just a different way to eat at a deficit? I'm not talking about just this thread or you specifically but in general throughout MFP. I can understand if someone starts a thread saying keto is magical and you'll never have to count calories again, but that is not usually the case in the threads I'm clicking on. Granted, I don't click on them all.0 -
Low carb is about the only thing that ever helped me get my appetite under control. So yeah, It does have benefits for weight loss. Why don't you go mind your own business instead of trying to force your opinion on people? You don't know what medical condition someone may have or anything else. If low carb is what gets someone healthy then why do you care?0
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LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.
For you. Others find carbs problematic. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.
I think the biggest issue many people face is the assertion that a macronutrient can be equated to a drug... where some people have had to deal with drug or alcohol issues in the passed. This doesn't even take into consideration they way variety of foods that fall within the spectrum of what a carb is.... fruits, veggies, beans, breads, oats, etc.... But often when people talk about not being filled by carbs, its things like candy, pancakes, muffins, donuts, etc... which are made up of more than just carbs.
Now don't get me wrong, satiation can widely vary by foods.
When a new thread titled "I eat low carb, who else does?" pops up it takes under 5 posts for someone to tell a perfect stranger with a 5 line post that they don't *need* to eat low carb. While that may be true and there are studies that show it, I've yet to see a study posted showing that low carb is harmful or dangerous. Its meat, veggies, and some extra fat. As for the drug references in this thread the post I saw said it FELT like a drug, not that it was. I took it as a metaphor, though I could've missed it if someone said it was a drug.
When a new thread pops up where a new dieter says they're struggling or hungry, it usually takes less than 5 posts before someone suggests that they try keto, regardless of dietary preference or asking if their deficit is too aggressive.
There's no need to resort to hyperbole or win a "battle" in order to justify your diet preference. You found a way of eating that works for you. That's great. There's no benefit to it other than it's what is working for you, suits your preferences, and has made it easy for you to stick to your deficit.
The reason this thread exists is because some keto gurus (and people who have followed them) have made outlandish claims about there being some extra benefit to the diet that does not exist. Full stop. End of story.
It's okay that that low carbing simply works by creating a deficit.
That finding an optimal macro balance for creating satiety while eating on a deficit is helpful is no big revelation, and it's not unique to low carb. I feel the same way about high carb (starch), high protein, low fat.
I'm sorry but I found the bolded ironic considering the number of "low carb is not necessary, I eat lots of carbs and lose weight" posts that are all over MFP. It seems the non-low carbers have a need to defend their way of eating as well.
However, the people saying that there's not a need to eat low carb are countering the media gurus who tell people that they have to eat low carb in order to lose weight. That's where those posts are coming from. They're not attacking people who are low carbing, they're going after the notion that it's the secret to weight loss.
I have been here a while and seen so many newbies with the wrong-headed notion that they must low carb in order to lose weight. Informing them that they don't have to isn't an attack on low carbing itself, it's correcting media misinformation.5 -
LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.
For you. Others find carbs problematic. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.
I think the biggest issue many people face is the assertion that a macronutrient can be equated to a drug... where some people have had to deal with drug or alcohol issues in the passed. This doesn't even take into consideration they way variety of foods that fall within the spectrum of what a carb is.... fruits, veggies, beans, breads, oats, etc.... But often when people talk about not being filled by carbs, its things like candy, pancakes, muffins, donuts, etc... which are made up of more than just carbs.
Now don't get me wrong, satiation can widely vary by foods.
When a new thread titled "I eat low carb, who else does?" pops up it takes under 5 posts for someone to tell a perfect stranger with a 5 line post that they don't *need* to eat low carb. While that may be true and there are studies that show it, I've yet to see a study posted showing that low carb is harmful or dangerous. Its meat, veggies, and some extra fat. As for the drug references in this thread the post I saw said it FELT like a drug, not that it was. I took it as a metaphor, though I could've missed it if someone said it was a drug.
No one has ever said that LCHF is dangerous. And outside of addressing medical requirements, no one diet is necessary. It's all what will allow for compliance and adherence.
Then why the need to work so hard to disprove something that is not dangerous if its just a different way to eat at a deficit? I'm not talking about just this thread or you specifically but in general throughout MFP. I can understand if someone starts a thread saying keto is magical and you'll never have to count calories again, but that is not usually the case in the threads I'm clicking on. Granted, I don't click on them all.
No one is trying to disprove low carb.
They are trying to disprove that it has any advantage over any other way of eating except on an individual level for preference.
Re-read the thread title. This isn't about forum posts.
There was a study done because there are promoters of low carb make claims about eating that way that aren't true and don't hold up to scientific scrutiny.3 -
LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.
For you. Others find carbs problematic. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.
I think the biggest issue many people face is the assertion that a macronutrient can be equated to a drug... where some people have had to deal with drug or alcohol issues in the passed. This doesn't even take into consideration they way variety of foods that fall within the spectrum of what a carb is.... fruits, veggies, beans, breads, oats, etc.... But often when people talk about not being filled by carbs, its things like candy, pancakes, muffins, donuts, etc... which are made up of more than just carbs.
Now don't get me wrong, satiation can widely vary by foods.
When a new thread titled "I eat low carb, who else does?" pops up it takes under 5 posts for someone to tell a perfect stranger with a 5 line post that they don't *need* to eat low carb. While that may be true and there are studies that show it, I've yet to see a study posted showing that low carb is harmful or dangerous. Its meat, veggies, and some extra fat. As for the drug references in this thread the post I saw said it FELT like a drug, not that it was. I took it as a metaphor, though I could've missed it if someone said it was a drug.
When a new thread pops up where a new dieter says they're struggling or hungry, it usually takes less than 5 posts before someone suggests that they try keto, regardless of dietary preference or asking if their deficit is too aggressive.
There's no need to resort to hyperbole or win a "battle" in order to justify your diet preference. You found a way of eating that works for you. That's great. There's no benefit to it other than it's what is working for you, suits your preferences, and has made it easy for you to stick to your deficit.
The reason this thread exists is because some keto gurus (and people who have followed them) have made outlandish claims about there being some extra benefit to the diet that does not exist. Full stop. End of story.
It's okay that that low carbing simply works by creating a deficit.
That finding an optimal macro balance for creating satiety while eating on a deficit is helpful is no big revelation, and it's not unique to low carb. I feel the same way about high carb (starch), high protein, low fat.
I'm sorry but I found the bolded ironic considering the number of "low carb is not necessary, I eat lots of carbs and lose weight" posts that are all over MFP. It seems the non-low carbers have a need to defend their way of eating as well.
what is wrong with that statement? It is factually correct. You don't need low carb to lose weight, absent some kind of medical condition. Which is usually followed by, if it works for you then great.3 -
Low carb is about the only thing that ever helped me get my appetite under control. So yeah, It does have benefits for weight loss. Why don't you go mind your own business instead of trying to force your opinion on people? You don't know what medical condition someone may have or anything else. If low carb is what gets someone healthy then why do you care?
Wow.
The main point of this thread has been that the opposite happens far too often, where low carbers are claiming special benefits (that don't exist) and try to push their way of eating despite evidence that it does not work for everyone and does not have a universal advantage. It a response to low-carbers "forcing" their opinion on others.4 -
Low carb is about the only thing that ever helped me get my appetite under control. So yeah, It does have benefits for weight loss. Why don't you go mind your own business instead of trying to force your opinion on people? You don't know what medical condition someone may have or anything else. If low carb is what gets someone healthy then why do you care?
no one ever said that you can't lose weight on low carb..if you go back and read through the comments people are saying that it is not better than any other way of eating...
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The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.
For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.
I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.
In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.
Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.
But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.
Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.
I'm happy you can't fathom that thinking. I wouldn't wish eating disorders on anyone. For many people Carbs cause urges to overeat (binge). Just the way it is for SOME people.
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