Yet another study shows no weight loss benefit for low-carb

Tacklewasher wrote: »

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Nixi3Knox wrote: »

Low carb is about the only thing that ever helped me get my appetite under control. So yeah, It does have benefits for weight loss. Why don't you go mind your own business instead of trying to force your opinion on people? You don't know what medical condition someone may have or anything else. If low carb is what gets someone healthy then why do you care?

Wow.

The main point of this thread has been that the opposite happens far too often, where low carbers are claiming special benefits (that don't exist) and try to push their way of eating despite evidence that it does not work for everyone and does not have a universal advantage. It a response to low-carbers "forcing" their opinion on others.

The root cause of the problem (I think at least) is a fundamental misunderstanding of nutrition/metabolism. And it's prevalent on both sides of the debate too. While I'd argue there certainly ARE benefits to keto, they're not without their own drawbacks too. But yeah the idea that "keto is fat loss magic" is totally nonsense.

GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »

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Nixi3Knox wrote: »

Low carb is about the only thing that ever helped me get my appetite under control. So yeah, It does have benefits for weight loss. Why don't you go mind your own business instead of trying to force your opinion on people? You don't know what medical condition someone may have or anything else. If low carb is what gets someone healthy then why do you care?

You are proving the point, though.

The benefits are on an individual level.

For me and my health, low carb-high fat would be disastrous.

Did you read the initial post? It wasn't made by an individual "caring", it came about because there was a study done in response to claims made by keto gurus in regards to there being an advantage to the rate of weight loss beyond that that would be accounted for in a regular caloric deficit on a high carb diet.

The study proved those claims aren't true, thus freeing dieters from the notion that they need to eat that way unless it suits their preferences.

There is no need to get defensive about this if it suits your preferences. Enjoy.

Individual as anything else. It still counts and it still matters. What is great for one person is not always great for another. This goes for pretty much everything else around here.

Yes, Technically that's true..but you've heard people say "Food is my Drug". Maybe it's the blood sugar rush then crash cycle..or it could be ALL psychological. Who knows. Fruits and Veggies I'm fine, but flour, sugar really trigger eating behaviors that kinda mimic what a drug addict goes through Urge-Urge Fulfilled-Feel relief-Then Guilt-Crash, Repeat.

I'm not trying to speak as a scientist, just personal anecdote. Peace.



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and for many other people fats cause the same thing...

binge eating disorder is usually psychological in nature and not based on any one specific macro.[/quote]

LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »

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Hornsby wrote: »

eagle_74 wrote: »

The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.

For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.

I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.

In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.

Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.

But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.

Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.

For you. Others find carbs problematic. Not sure why that's so hard for people to grasp.

Because so many people assume that the same things work for everyone and repeat things like "carbs lead to binging" or "people on high carb diets are starving and miserable" or "fat is satiating" as if these were universals.

Lower carb seems to work for me, at least currently. I was having similar issues to what GottaBurnEm reports and tried a few things (including a lower fat mostly plant based approach that had worked for me in the past) and found that -- shockingly, because I don't find fat alone satiating at all, and bacon and eggs for breakfast alone does nothing for me, I need my vegetables -- lowering carbs and increasing fat helped (I did around 100 g carbs). I am curious whether even lower has benefits for me. But this absolutely is not mean that eating more carbs is a bad approach for others or that they won't be more satiated on something like 50-25-25 than what I am doing. So often the comments seem to assume not "carbs are problematic for ME" or "a certain amount or type of carbs are problematic for me" (which I think is true in many cases), but "carbs are problematic for everyone."

For example, even for me, full fat greek yogurt (plain) is not as satiating, alone, as the same number of calories of low fat (which has more protein and volume). This is no biggie, I usually don't eat yogurt alone anyway. But I find it irritating when people constantly say that full fat is more satiating. For them, yes, it very well may be. Not for everyone. Satiety is very individual.

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Hornsby wrote: »

eagle_74 wrote: »

The thing about Keto is it allows many people to eat to satiety without any of the associated binging and otherwise destructive behaviors that a high card diet eventually brings.

For many carbs are almost like a drug and mess up our normal appetite signals from the bloodsugar swings and cravings that ensue.

I haven't found Keto to "magically" faster at shedding pounds, but it is extremely satisfying when you do eat and I never feel the urge to eat past a mild sense of fullness.

In the Past the only sense of fullness I knew was a stretched stomach, now I can feel satisfied because of what's going on chemically within me. My Stomach may be close to empty or have little actual food in there but I'm not hungry. Re-learning those natural signals is a revelation.

Diets are not religion, if it works for you great.

But many people eat to fullness without being keto. Carbs don't equal "destructive behaviors" as you seem to believe.

Carbs aren't like a drug. I can't fathom that thinking.

I'm happy you can't fathom that thinking. I wouldn't wish eating disorders on anyone. For many people Carbs cause urges to overeat (binge). Just the way it is for SOME people.

Well, I can't keep avacados in the house. I'll go through them in no time. I still don't claim they are like drugs... That's silly nonsense.

ndj1979 wrote: »

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Zengrizzly wrote: »

Seems like a simple equation. You need protein. If you want to lose weight, you either cut fats or carbs calories. Fats+carbexcess calories = Weight gain. How you go about it is preference. Personally, it sucks as everything that tastes great is fats+carbs. lol

fixed it for you ...

Also, you can eat in a deficit, get sufficient protein, and still eat carbs; one does not exclude the other...

Thanks, I was getting ready to do that.

high carb for life.