Vegan needing help!
Lancerchick86
Posts: 13 Member
Hello,
Im a vegan who is looking for some help and guidance on food and weight loss. I'm not looking at introducing animal products back into my diet nor am I looking for bashing of the vegan lifestyle. If you can help, I'd gladly welcome it! Thanks!
Im a vegan who is looking for some help and guidance on food and weight loss. I'm not looking at introducing animal products back into my diet nor am I looking for bashing of the vegan lifestyle. If you can help, I'd gladly welcome it! Thanks!
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what specifically do you need help with?2
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I'm a vegan who lost 40+ pounds and am easily maintaining just by logging accurately and consistently hitting my calorie goal. I didn't really change what I ate at first, I just ate less of it. As time went on, I found myself eating less of some calorie-dense foods because they didn't really seem worth the calories anymore -- but it was a gradual change.
Have you tried entering your stats and goals into MFP and getting a calorie goal? If not, that is where I would start. If there are any specific questions you have, I'd be happy to help out.2 -
My diary is open and I've lost 20 pounds. I was a the top end of a healthy bmi and now I'm a bmi of about 201
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I can't offer any help for weight loss with this lifestyle because I'm not vegan but my son used to date a girl who was and this site had some great recipes. http://blog.fatfreevegan.com/recipes
I cooked several recipes from the site and they were always very tasty and fairly easy to prepare as well.
You can upload the recipes you use into my fitness pal to track calories and macros.3 -
https://minimalistbaker.com/
Another good site for recipes. Most of her recipes are vegan, have 10 ingredients or less and take about 30 minutes to make. Everything I have made from this site is great!
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I used to live in vegetarian yoga communities populated by lots of vegans and they made legumes the backbone of their diet.
Vegan recipes featuring beans and legumes: http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipe/search/ ?f[0]=field_special_diet:158786&f[1]=field_recipe_main_ingredient:789
General vegan recipes: http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipe/search/ ?f[0]=field_special_diet:1587861 -
@Lancerchick86 what the actual question? Are you looking for menu ideas? Support.? Education? I'm sure some of us can help0
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My daughter is vegan, cooked many great meals over years for us. How can we help, what kind of help you're looking for?0
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I'm ovo-lacto vegetarian, but mainly cook vegan. What info do you need?1
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I'm 99% vegan. When my weight bounces around (and it does!), it's for the same reasons that non-vegans gain and lose weight: eating too much. When I'm gaining weight, I'm eating too many sweets and fried things, and in general just eating too much of everything, "forgetting" about portion control, and indulging in way too much dairy-free ice cream that is on the market now.
When I'm losing weight, I'm staying within my calories, avoiding hunger by eating lots of lower calorie foods like fruits and vegetables, and avoiding fried foods and too much sugar and alcohol. My diet centers around whole grains, beans, vegetables, and fruit. I eat oatmeal almost every morning, with PB2 powder, fruit, and a smidge of brown sugar. Lunch is usually leftovers from dinner, or salad. Dinners are usually simple affairs like vegan bowls, curries, stews, and casseroles (one of my go-to bowls: quinoa, steamed greens, dry-fried tofu, bbq sauce). The main processed food I eat is occasional fake meats, like the Beyond Meat brand of products. They're expensive but tasty. Beans and whole grains are mostly where I get my protein. I'll still have treats like my beloved vegan ice cream, but less often.
My favorite vegan cookbook author is Isa Moskowitz. One of her cookbooks, "Appetite for Reduction", is lowfat and geared toward weight loss, although all of her cookbooks are generally healthy (except the all-dessert ones!). I highly recommend the Mango BBQ Beans in Appetite for Reduction. It's a family favorite, and I usually replace the mango with apple and it's just as delicious, but cheaper (can you tell from this post that I'm a total cheapskate!? lol)
I exercise regularly regardless of whether I'm gaining or losing weight. It's my eating that affects my weight loss.
Good luck!
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I used to be vegan. I learned that it's important to keep up with the B-12 supplements, get adequate healthy fat in my diet and incorporate beans/lentils in two meals a day. I also incorporated a vegan protein shake most days.
I've heard mixed reports about soy beans, so for the most part, I steered clear of soy to be safe. I've also heard bad things about MSG and memory loss, so I avoided the fake meats, which often have autolyzed yeast, which is high in MSG but avoids the labeling laws somehow. If you're concerned about MSG in fake meats or seasonings, you should google "code names for MSG." Another vegan food that bothered me was "vegan" cheese....with casein in it! How do you get casein without a cow?
I lost 90 pounds on a vegan, low-glycemic diet. Eating at home was easy because I don't mind cooking, but traveling as a vegan was very hard, especially since I was scrupulous about avoiding white sugar and white flour. I learned to take almonds with me everywhere, and I learned to be satisfied with a banana and an apple for dinner sometimes. Eating vegan was very rewarding to me emotionally and spiritually. Maybe one day I'll get back to it.
Good luck to you!1 -
Not 50, but I know what you mean. I was brought up on this diet, so that's 30 years now without dairy, etc and I really, really hate it when 18 year olds (75% of whom are going to be eating hamburgers again within the year after they crash and burn on their present badly planned vegan diet) patronise my mother and her peers.notlunchmuffin wrote: »also vegan. welcome to the butcher shop lady. lulz. i wish there was a separate over 50 vegan area on this board. listening to 18 year old hans and frans doling out copious one size fits all advice gets old.
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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Not 50, but I know what you mean. I was brought up on this diet, so that's 30 years now without dairy, etc and I really, really hate it when 18 year olds (75% of whom are going to be eating hamburgers again within the year after they crash and burn on their present badly planned vegan diet) patronise my mother and her peers.notlunchmuffin wrote: »also vegan. welcome to the butcher shop lady. lulz. i wish there was a separate over 50 vegan area on this board. listening to 18 year old hans and frans doling out copious one size fits all advice gets old.
I'm a lifelong vegetarian and I rarely eat eggs or have dairy (really only when it's baked into things or a real pain in the butt to get around). I'm also lactose intolerant. For the first 5 years of my life I was raised strictly vegan.
I have never in my life eaten meat, fish, worn leather, etc. etc. etc.
But I'm only 26.
So let's not with the over 50. Someone's age isn't really the factor here, plenty of morons out there spreading pseudoscience about veganism of all ages.8 -
What kind of help are you looking for? Staying within calories? Protein sources? Nutrition concerns? New meal ideas? Trustworthy vegan-specific web resources?0
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Well, it kind of is a factor, because the 40-65 age bracket were the trailbreakers, and faced the social bemusement and condemnation. Going vegan or veggie in the 80s was hard and I think it's pretty disrespectful when young adults, who came to maturity in the current Golden Age of multiple soya 'cheeses' and clear labelling, condescend to people who've been showing the world that you can be vegan, not-dead and healthy for decades.rainbowbow wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Not 50, but I know what you mean. I was brought up on this diet, so that's 30 years now without dairy, etc and I really, really hate it when 18 year olds (75% of whom are going to be eating hamburgers again within the year after they crash and burn on their present badly planned vegan diet) patronise my mother and her peers.notlunchmuffin wrote: »also vegan. welcome to the butcher shop lady. lulz. i wish there was a separate over 50 vegan area on this board. listening to 18 year old hans and frans doling out copious one size fits all advice gets old.
I'm a lifelong vegetarian and I rarely eat eggs or have dairy (really only when it's baked into things or a real pain in the butt to get around). I'm also lactose intolerant. For the first 5 years of my life I was raised strictly vegan.
I have never in my life eaten meat, fish, worn leather, etc. etc. etc.
But I'm only 26.
So let's not with the over 50. Someone's age isn't really the factor here, plenty of morons out there spreading pseudoscience about veganism of all ages.
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I think you will find people can be very enthusiastic about the low carb or highfatlowcarb way of eating ATM. About as enthusiastic as vegans or frutarians can be. Then there are those who just go about their eating plans and contribute here knowledgably regardless of what they eat. Its useful to read how other people approach losing weight and maintaining it and if you keep your head about you then you can keep you caloric intake adjusted for yourself and lose weight and maintain it when you achieve your goal. If you fight every step of the way, be ready for the feedback you probably will engender.1
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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Well, it kind of is a factor, because the 40-65 age bracket were the trailbreakers, and faced the social bemusement and condemnation. Going vegan or veggie in the 80s was hard and I think it's pretty disrespectful when young adults, who came to maturity in the current Golden Age of multiple soya 'cheeses' and clear labelling, condescend to people who've been showing the world that you can be vegan, not-dead and healthy for decades.rainbowbow wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Not 50, but I know what you mean. I was brought up on this diet, so that's 30 years now without dairy, etc and I really, really hate it when 18 year olds (75% of whom are going to be eating hamburgers again within the year after they crash and burn on their present badly planned vegan diet) patronise my mother and her peers.notlunchmuffin wrote: »also vegan. welcome to the butcher shop lady. lulz. i wish there was a separate over 50 vegan area on this board. listening to 18 year old hans and frans doling out copious one size fits all advice gets old.
I'm a lifelong vegetarian and I rarely eat eggs or have dairy (really only when it's baked into things or a real pain in the butt to get around). I'm also lactose intolerant. For the first 5 years of my life I was raised strictly vegan.
I have never in my life eaten meat, fish, worn leather, etc. etc. etc.
But I'm only 26.
So let's not with the over 50. Someone's age isn't really the factor here, plenty of morons out there spreading pseudoscience about veganism of all ages.
This implies that everyone is from the united states, everyone has access to the multiple vegan cheese and vegan products, that everyone's life is soooo much easier than your own, and that we face absolutely no social bemusement.
You aren't any more special and your opinion is not any more valid than anyone else's just because you've "struggled".
Anyone, regardless of age should be held accountable for pseudoscience... but that's it.
P.S. just to reiterate, there's plenty of places in the world that still dont have the plethora of vegan products. I live in a country where there are about 3 faux meat options and we have soy milk but that's it. No other vegan options at all whatsoever. AND to make matters worse, there are only a handful of restaurants in the entire city that I can eat at (and that's assuming i only make the "vegetarian" only requirement). I live in the capital of a country. I would count my blessings that you even have those vegan options (like in the US there's countless brands and products for vegans to easily switch out).6 -
Actually, no. I'm more implying that everyone comes from the UKrainbowbow wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Well, it kind of is a factor, because the 40-65 age bracket were the trailbreakers, and faced the social bemusement and condemnation. Going vegan or veggie in the 80s was hard and I think it's pretty disrespectful when young adults, who came to maturity in the current Golden Age of multiple soya 'cheeses' and clear labelling, condescend to people who've been showing the world that you can be vegan, not-dead and healthy for decades.rainbowbow wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Not 50, but I know what you mean. I was brought up on this diet, so that's 30 years now without dairy, etc and I really, really hate it when 18 year olds (75% of whom are going to be eating hamburgers again within the year after they crash and burn on their present badly planned vegan diet) patronise my mother and her peers.notlunchmuffin wrote: »also vegan. welcome to the butcher shop lady. lulz. i wish there was a separate over 50 vegan area on this board. listening to 18 year old hans and frans doling out copious one size fits all advice gets old.
I'm a lifelong vegetarian and I rarely eat eggs or have dairy (really only when it's baked into things or a real pain in the butt to get around). I'm also lactose intolerant. For the first 5 years of my life I was raised strictly vegan.
I have never in my life eaten meat, fish, worn leather, etc. etc. etc.
But I'm only 26.
So let's not with the over 50. Someone's age isn't really the factor here, plenty of morons out there spreading pseudoscience about veganism of all ages.
This implies that everyone is from the united states, everyone has access to the multiple vegan cheese and vegan products, that everyone's life is soooo much easier than your own, and that we face absolutely no social bemusement.
You aren't any more special and your opinion is not any more valid than anyone else's just because you've "struggled".
Anyone, regardless of age should be held accountable for pseudoscience... but that's it.
P.S. just to reiterate, there's plenty of places in the world that still dont have the plethora of vegan products. I live in a country where there are about 3 faux meat options and we have soy milk but that's it. No other vegan options at all whatsoever. AND to make matters worse, there are only a handful of restaurants in the entire city that I can eat at (and that's assuming i only make the "vegetarian" only requirement). I live in the capital of a country. I would count my blessings that you even have those vegan options (like in the US there's countless brands and products for vegans to easily switch out).
But you're right, I should have qualified my locale. This is very much a region-specific rant. For example, to pick a random country, France is a hell of a lot more difficult.
I think you're misunderstanding my point. Let me make some things clearer. I am 30 years old, so I figure the same generation as you, and I am not claiming that I am special or that my life was harder.
I have never struggled in my life to live completely dairy-free, egg-free and meat-free, and, again, I am not claiming that my opinion is more valid than anyone else's because I've "struggled". Because I haven't. I face absolutely no bemusement about my choices and no-one threatens to take my children into care for their veggie diet. Because my parents' generation dealt with that. This is the point.
I am not claiming that some people's opinions are more valid because they've struggled; my point is that Josephine Bloggs, 18 and vegan for ten minutes, should not lecture the 40+ bracket (my parents, my kids grandparents) on how to do veganism. Josephine needs to shut up about the benefits of a completely raw diet, and enjoy modern life.
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CynthiasChoice wrote: »I used to be vegan. I learned that it's important to keep up with the B-12 supplements, get adequate healthy fat in my diet and incorporate beans/lentils in two meals a day. I also incorporated a vegan protein shake most days.
I've heard mixed reports about soy beans, so for the most part, I steered clear of soy to be safe. I've also heard bad things about MSG and memory loss, so I avoided the fake meats, which often have autolyzed yeast, which is high in MSG but avoids the labeling laws somehow. If you're concerned about MSG in fake meats or seasonings, you should google "code names for MSG." Another vegan food that bothered me was "vegan" cheese....with casein in it! How do you get casein without a cow?
I lost 90 pounds on a vegan, low-glycemic diet. Eating at home was easy because I don't mind cooking, but traveling as a vegan was very hard, especially since I was scrupulous about avoiding white sugar and white flour. I learned to take almonds with me everywhere, and I learned to be satisfied with a banana and an apple for dinner sometimes. Eating vegan was very rewarding to me emotionally and spiritually. Maybe one day I'll get back to it.
Good luck to you!
Cheese with casein would never be considered vegan. You may be thinking of "non-dairy" cheese which eliminates other dairy but includes casein. It's for people with dietary restrictions, not vegans.0 -
HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Well, it kind of is a factor, because the 40-65 age bracket were the trailbreakers, and faced the social bemusement and condemnation. Going vegan or veggie in the 80s was hard and I think it's pretty disrespectful when young adults, who came to maturity in the current Golden Age of multiple soya 'cheeses' and clear labelling, condescend to people who've been showing the world that you can be vegan, not-dead and healthy for decades.rainbowbow wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Not 50, but I know what you mean. I was brought up on this diet, so that's 30 years now without dairy, etc and I really, really hate it when 18 year olds (75% of whom are going to be eating hamburgers again within the year after they crash and burn on their present badly planned vegan diet) patronise my mother and her peers.notlunchmuffin wrote: »also vegan. welcome to the butcher shop lady. lulz. i wish there was a separate over 50 vegan area on this board. listening to 18 year old hans and frans doling out copious one size fits all advice gets old.
I'm a lifelong vegetarian and I rarely eat eggs or have dairy (really only when it's baked into things or a real pain in the butt to get around). I'm also lactose intolerant. For the first 5 years of my life I was raised strictly vegan.
I have never in my life eaten meat, fish, worn leather, etc. etc. etc.
But I'm only 26.
So let's not with the over 50. Someone's age isn't really the factor here, plenty of morons out there spreading pseudoscience about veganism of all ages.
Going vegan is difficult for some younger people even today due to various life circumstances. I'm not going to dismiss anyone's decision to eliminate unnecessary animal exploitation from their lives.
Then again, I'm 38 and have only been vegan for ten years so I don't know if I am sufficiently seasoned to have worthwhile contributions to the conversation.2 -
Nor do I, on any forum. But this doesn't mean I don't notice when they're vile to other people in their evangelicalism.janejellyroll wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Well, it kind of is a factor, because the 40-65 age bracket were the trailbreakers, and faced the social bemusement and condemnation. Going vegan or veggie in the 80s was hard and I think it's pretty disrespectful when young adults, who came to maturity in the current Golden Age of multiple soya 'cheeses' and clear labelling, condescend to people who've been showing the world that you can be vegan, not-dead and healthy for decades.rainbowbow wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Not 50, but I know what you mean. I was brought up on this diet, so that's 30 years now without dairy, etc and I really, really hate it when 18 year olds (75% of whom are going to be eating hamburgers again within the year after they crash and burn on their present badly planned vegan diet) patronise my mother and her peers.notlunchmuffin wrote: »also vegan. welcome to the butcher shop lady. lulz. i wish there was a separate over 50 vegan area on this board. listening to 18 year old hans and frans doling out copious one size fits all advice gets old.
I'm a lifelong vegetarian and I rarely eat eggs or have dairy (really only when it's baked into things or a real pain in the butt to get around). I'm also lactose intolerant. For the first 5 years of my life I was raised strictly vegan.
I have never in my life eaten meat, fish, worn leather, etc. etc. etc.
But I'm only 26.
So let's not with the over 50. Someone's age isn't really the factor here, plenty of morons out there spreading pseudoscience about veganism of all ages.
Going vegan is difficult for some younger people even today due to various life circumstances. I'm not going to dismiss anyone's decision to eliminate unnecessary animal exploitation from their lives.
Then again, I'm 38 and have only been vegan for ten years so I don't know if I am sufficiently seasoned to have worthwhile contributions to the conversation.
For example, I once joined a veggie-specific forum, because I wanted to diversify my diet, learn about new products, access recipes that had been built around vegetables in the first place...
Here is a off-the-top-of-my-head sample of type of thing that I read that made me leave again after a few months:
A raw food recipes discussion thread that segued into a gang of child-free/childless under 21s trying to rip an incredibly respectful and polite 50 year old vegetarian woman to shreds for saying that she didn't think she could have afforded to bring up her three vegetarian highly-active teens on a fully-raw diet. The consensus was that berries are cheap. Apparently. Gotta wonder whether they still thought that come winter.
I was also young, also childless, so I had no specialist knowledge myself either, but I could see who in the thread did...
Fresh vegetarians telling adults they weren't proper vegetarians for taking medication that came in gelatine capsules. No matter how important that prescription was.
Evangelical new vegans saying that proper vegan women don't compromise on their beliefs by using contraceptive tablets containing lactose or condoms. Apparently the vegan position is to abstain for most of your life apart from times you specifically want to have children, or accept having a baby every year. I remember thinking that the person concerned couldn't possibly be as dogmatic as they sounded, so I took part in that discussion, assuming they meant that it would be better to pick lactose-free forms of contraception over lactose-containing forms.
It turned out that they thought the only form of contraception out there was the oral contraception/the pill or condoms, and they really were willing to demand that women give up all forms of contraception (as they thought).
It's all complete, utter madness, which relies on the presumption that reducing your use of animal products is worthless unless you're perfect. However, as I have said before, this type of madness seems particularly unfair when it's directed at people like my parents, my husband's parents, and so on.
I've seen this behaviour in places other than that cesspit of a forum, and wherever it is, it is wrong. What a reward for persevering with ethical principles, despite the objections of your concerned family and friends, it is to be told you're not a proper veggie by someone half your age...1 -
HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Nor do I, on any forum. But this doesn't mean I don't notice when they're vile to other people in their evangelicalism.janejellyroll wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Well, it kind of is a factor, because the 40-65 age bracket were the trailbreakers, and faced the social bemusement and condemnation. Going vegan or veggie in the 80s was hard and I think it's pretty disrespectful when young adults, who came to maturity in the current Golden Age of multiple soya 'cheeses' and clear labelling, condescend to people who've been showing the world that you can be vegan, not-dead and healthy for decades.rainbowbow wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Not 50, but I know what you mean. I was brought up on this diet, so that's 30 years now without dairy, etc and I really, really hate it when 18 year olds (75% of whom are going to be eating hamburgers again within the year after they crash and burn on their present badly planned vegan diet) patronise my mother and her peers.notlunchmuffin wrote: »also vegan. welcome to the butcher shop lady. lulz. i wish there was a separate over 50 vegan area on this board. listening to 18 year old hans and frans doling out copious one size fits all advice gets old.
I'm a lifelong vegetarian and I rarely eat eggs or have dairy (really only when it's baked into things or a real pain in the butt to get around). I'm also lactose intolerant. For the first 5 years of my life I was raised strictly vegan.
I have never in my life eaten meat, fish, worn leather, etc. etc. etc.
But I'm only 26.
So let's not with the over 50. Someone's age isn't really the factor here, plenty of morons out there spreading pseudoscience about veganism of all ages.
Going vegan is difficult for some younger people even today due to various life circumstances. I'm not going to dismiss anyone's decision to eliminate unnecessary animal exploitation from their lives.
Then again, I'm 38 and have only been vegan for ten years so I don't know if I am sufficiently seasoned to have worthwhile contributions to the conversation.
For example, I once joined a veggie-specific forum, because I wanted to diversify my diet, learn about new products, access recipes that had been built around vegetables in the first place...
Here is a off-the-top-of-my-head sample of type of thing that I read that made me leave again after a few months:
A raw food recipes discussion thread that segued into a gang of child-free/childless under 21s trying to rip an incredibly respectful and polite 50 year old vegetarian woman to shreds for saying that she didn't think she could have afforded to bring up her three vegetarian highly-active teens on a fully-raw diet. The consensus was that berries are cheap. Apparently. Gotta wonder whether they still thought that come winter.
I was also young, also childless, so I had no specialist knowledge myself either, but I could see who in the thread did...
Fresh vegetarians telling adults they weren't proper vegetarians for taking medication that came in gelatine capsules. No matter how important that prescription was.
Evangelical new vegans saying that proper vegan women don't compromise on their beliefs by using contraceptive tablets containing lactose or condoms. Apparently the vegan position is to abstain for most of your life apart from times you specifically want to have children, or accept having a baby every year. I remember thinking that the person concerned couldn't possibly be as dogmatic as they sounded, so I took part in that discussion, assuming they meant that it would be better to pick lactose-free forms of contraception over lactose-containing forms.
It turned out that they thought the only form of contraception out there was the oral contraception/the pill or condoms, and they really were willing to demand that women give up all forms of contraception (as they thought).
It's all complete, utter madness, which relies on the presumption that reducing your use of animal products is worthless unless you're perfect. However, as I have said before, this type of madness seems particularly unfair when it's directed at people like my parents, my husband's parents, and so on.
I've seen this behaviour in places other than that cesspit of a forum, and wherever it is, it is wrong. What a reward for persevering with ethical principles, despite the objections of your concerned family and friends, it is to be told you're not a proper veggie by someone half your age...
I think rudeness, assumptions, and incivility are inappropriate in people of any age. I don't see the over-50/under-50 distinction as relevant. I've seen astonishing rudeness from people under fifty and from people over fifty. I've also seen incredible kindness from both groups.
Unfortunately, part of veganism is being told, at some point, that you're not doing it "right." Maybe it will come from a fellow vegan (which I deplore), maybe it will come from a non-vegan playing "gotcha." It's going to happen. The best thing I can recommend is just developing a healthy sense of one's own justifications so that we don't have to rely on the approval of strangers to be happy and confident vegans. If vegans over fifty want to form a community, I think that is fine. I'd be equally supportive a group of vegan women or vegan Catholics or vegan bisexuals or vegan college students forming a community, support is great and sometimes advice from people who are in a similar situation is the most helpful. What concerns me is the idea that vegans over fifty must remove themselves because vegans under fifty are so awful. I never would have had a successful transition to veganism if it wasn't for all the animal advocates, bloggers, cookbook authors, and just plain nice people who helped me along -- and many of them were under fifty years old.2 -
I imagine most people wouldn't see it as relevant, to be fair.janejellyroll wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Nor do I, on any forum. But this doesn't mean I don't notice when they're vile to other people in their evangelicalism.janejellyroll wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Well, it kind of is a factor, because the 40-65 age bracket were the trailbreakers, and faced the social bemusement and condemnation. Going vegan or veggie in the 80s was hard and I think it's pretty disrespectful when young adults, who came to maturity in the current Golden Age of multiple soya 'cheeses' and clear labelling, condescend to people who've been showing the world that you can be vegan, not-dead and healthy for decades.rainbowbow wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Not 50, but I know what you mean. I was brought up on this diet, so that's 30 years now without dairy, etc and I really, really hate it when 18 year olds (75% of whom are going to be eating hamburgers again within the year after they crash and burn on their present badly planned vegan diet) patronise my mother and her peers.notlunchmuffin wrote: »also vegan. welcome to the butcher shop lady. lulz. i wish there was a separate over 50 vegan area on this board. listening to 18 year old hans and frans doling out copious one size fits all advice gets old.
I'm a lifelong vegetarian and I rarely eat eggs or have dairy (really only when it's baked into things or a real pain in the butt to get around). I'm also lactose intolerant. For the first 5 years of my life I was raised strictly vegan.
I have never in my life eaten meat, fish, worn leather, etc. etc. etc.
But I'm only 26.
So let's not with the over 50. Someone's age isn't really the factor here, plenty of morons out there spreading pseudoscience about veganism of all ages.
Going vegan is difficult for some younger people even today due to various life circumstances. I'm not going to dismiss anyone's decision to eliminate unnecessary animal exploitation from their lives.
Then again, I'm 38 and have only been vegan for ten years so I don't know if I am sufficiently seasoned to have worthwhile contributions to the conversation.
For example, I once joined a veggie-specific forum, because I wanted to diversify my diet, learn about new products, access recipes that had been built around vegetables in the first place...
Here is a off-the-top-of-my-head sample of type of thing that I read that made me leave again after a few months:
A raw food recipes discussion thread that segued into a gang of child-free/childless under 21s trying to rip an incredibly respectful and polite 50 year old vegetarian woman to shreds for saying that she didn't think she could have afforded to bring up her three vegetarian highly-active teens on a fully-raw diet. The consensus was that berries are cheap. Apparently. Gotta wonder whether they still thought that come winter.
I was also young, also childless, so I had no specialist knowledge myself either, but I could see who in the thread did...
Fresh vegetarians telling adults they weren't proper vegetarians for taking medication that came in gelatine capsules. No matter how important that prescription was.
Evangelical new vegans saying that proper vegan women don't compromise on their beliefs by using contraceptive tablets containing lactose or condoms. Apparently the vegan position is to abstain for most of your life apart from times you specifically want to have children, or accept having a baby every year. I remember thinking that the person concerned couldn't possibly be as dogmatic as they sounded, so I took part in that discussion, assuming they meant that it would be better to pick lactose-free forms of contraception over lactose-containing forms.
It turned out that they thought the only form of contraception out there was the oral contraception/the pill or condoms, and they really were willing to demand that women give up all forms of contraception (as they thought).
It's all complete, utter madness, which relies on the presumption that reducing your use of animal products is worthless unless you're perfect. However, as I have said before, this type of madness seems particularly unfair when it's directed at people like my parents, my husband's parents, and so on.
I've seen this behaviour in places other than that cesspit of a forum, and wherever it is, it is wrong. What a reward for persevering with ethical principles, despite the objections of your concerned family and friends, it is to be told you're not a proper veggie by someone half your age...
I think rudeness, assumptions, and incivility are inappropriate in people of any age. I don't see the over-50/under-50 distinction as relevant. I've seen astonishing rudeness from people under fifty and from people over fifty. I've also seen incredible kindness from both groups.
Unfortunately, part of veganism is being told, at some point, that you're not doing it "right." Maybe it will come from a fellow vegan (which I deplore), maybe it will come from a non-vegan playing "gotcha." It's going to happen. The best thing I can recommend is just developing a healthy sense of one's own justifications so that we don't have to rely on the approval of strangers to be happy and confident vegans. If vegans over fifty want to form a community, I think that is fine. I'd be equally supportive a group of vegan women or vegan Catholics or vegan bisexuals or vegan college students forming a community, support is great and sometimes advice from people who are in a similar situation is the most helpful. What concerns me is the idea that vegans over fifty must remove themselves because vegans under fifty are so awful. I never would have had a successful transition to veganism if it wasn't for all the animal advocates, bloggers, cookbook authors, and just plain nice people who helped me along -- and many of them were under fifty years old.
I've always detested the gotcha game (great name for it, btw), because it's just pointless spite. As I've said, at considerably boring length, it especially gets on my nerves when it's directed at people who were veggie for longer than I've been alive. I find it particularly abhorrent, because I feel a duty to be appreciative, somewhat like the duty I feel to vote at elections, because of the women who fought and suffered for women's right to vote.
As a very vague analogy, if Mary Wollstonecraft was resurrected before us, and gave us a speech about writing A Vindication of the Rights of Woman, and someone heckled her from the audience about not being inter-sectional enough, I expect I would be incandescent. I think we have a duty to think about the context in which someone developed principles that ran against the cultural mores of the time (veganism, feminism, etc), and build on what they contributed to, and not to tear that someone down for not meeting the standards that have developed since, and in fact, off the back of their work.
I don't expect my parents or my partner's parents would do well in the gotcha game online, but they withstood sly and not so sly comments about child abuse. This kind of thing still happens today, but nowhere near the same extent. My mother encountered so much opposition about being vegetarian, that she waited until after I was born and she was discharged to become a vegan. In comparison, when I had my children (twins, making it automatically a high-risk pregnancy!), I didn't hear a single peep from any doctor about my diet.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Nor do I, on any forum. But this doesn't mean I don't notice when they're vile to other people in their evangelicalism.janejellyroll wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Well, it kind of is a factor, because the 40-65 age bracket were the trailbreakers, and faced the social bemusement and condemnation. Going vegan or veggie in the 80s was hard and I think it's pretty disrespectful when young adults, who came to maturity in the current Golden Age of multiple soya 'cheeses' and clear labelling, condescend to people who've been showing the world that you can be vegan, not-dead and healthy for decades.rainbowbow wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Not 50, but I know what you mean. I was brought up on this diet, so that's 30 years now without dairy, etc and I really, really hate it when 18 year olds (75% of whom are going to be eating hamburgers again within the year after they crash and burn on their present badly planned vegan diet) patronise my mother and her peers.notlunchmuffin wrote: »also vegan. welcome to the butcher shop lady. lulz. i wish there was a separate over 50 vegan area on this board. listening to 18 year old hans and frans doling out copious one size fits all advice gets old.
I'm a lifelong vegetarian and I rarely eat eggs or have dairy (really only when it's baked into things or a real pain in the butt to get around). I'm also lactose intolerant. For the first 5 years of my life I was raised strictly vegan.
I have never in my life eaten meat, fish, worn leather, etc. etc. etc.
But I'm only 26.
So let's not with the over 50. Someone's age isn't really the factor here, plenty of morons out there spreading pseudoscience about veganism of all ages.
Going vegan is difficult for some younger people even today due to various life circumstances. I'm not going to dismiss anyone's decision to eliminate unnecessary animal exploitation from their lives.
Then again, I'm 38 and have only been vegan for ten years so I don't know if I am sufficiently seasoned to have worthwhile contributions to the conversation.
For example, I once joined a veggie-specific forum, because I wanted to diversify my diet, learn about new products, access recipes that had been built around vegetables in the first place...
Here is a off-the-top-of-my-head sample of type of thing that I read that made me leave again after a few months:
A raw food recipes discussion thread that segued into a gang of child-free/childless under 21s trying to rip an incredibly respectful and polite 50 year old vegetarian woman to shreds for saying that she didn't think she could have afforded to bring up her three vegetarian highly-active teens on a fully-raw diet. The consensus was that berries are cheap. Apparently. Gotta wonder whether they still thought that come winter.
I was also young, also childless, so I had no specialist knowledge myself either, but I could see who in the thread did...
Fresh vegetarians telling adults they weren't proper vegetarians for taking medication that came in gelatine capsules. No matter how important that prescription was.
Evangelical new vegans saying that proper vegan women don't compromise on their beliefs by using contraceptive tablets containing lactose or condoms. Apparently the vegan position is to abstain for most of your life apart from times you specifically want to have children, or accept having a baby every year. I remember thinking that the person concerned couldn't possibly be as dogmatic as they sounded, so I took part in that discussion, assuming they meant that it would be better to pick lactose-free forms of contraception over lactose-containing forms.
It turned out that they thought the only form of contraception out there was the oral contraception/the pill or condoms, and they really were willing to demand that women give up all forms of contraception (as they thought).
It's all complete, utter madness, which relies on the presumption that reducing your use of animal products is worthless unless you're perfect. However, as I have said before, this type of madness seems particularly unfair when it's directed at people like my parents, my husband's parents, and so on.
I've seen this behaviour in places other than that cesspit of a forum, and wherever it is, it is wrong. What a reward for persevering with ethical principles, despite the objections of your concerned family and friends, it is to be told you're not a proper veggie by someone half your age...
I think rudeness, assumptions, and incivility are inappropriate in people of any age. I don't see the over-50/under-50 distinction as relevant. I've seen astonishing rudeness from people under fifty and from people over fifty. I've also seen incredible kindness from both groups.
Unfortunately, part of veganism is being told, at some point, that you're not doing it "right." Maybe it will come from a fellow vegan (which I deplore), maybe it will come from a non-vegan playing "gotcha." It's going to happen. The best thing I can recommend is just developing a healthy sense of one's own justifications so that we don't have to rely on the approval of strangers to be happy and confident vegans. If vegans over fifty want to form a community, I think that is fine. I'd be equally supportive a group of vegan women or vegan Catholics or vegan bisexuals or vegan college students forming a community, support is great and sometimes advice from people who are in a similar situation is the most helpful. What concerns me is the idea that vegans over fifty must remove themselves because vegans under fifty are so awful. I never would have had a successful transition to veganism if it wasn't for all the animal advocates, bloggers, cookbook authors, and just plain nice people who helped me along -- and many of them were under fifty years old.
I've had the same experience. What i will say, and i can concede here.. is that a lot of the newer generations of vegans and vegetarians are being exposed to the message by evangelical and outright MONSTEROUS examples. After all, the ones with the loudest and most controversial messages seem to get the most attention.
The ideas you're talking about specifically (the no-kids, no-medicine, raw-vegan, HCLF, RT4, 80/10/10, vasectomies, comparing animal suffering to human rape and murder, the "animal holocaust", monomeals, potato diet, starch solution, water fasting, detoxing, parasite cleanses, SUGAR IS LYFE, etc.) stems mainly from the nut-jobs I've seen on YouTube. And you know what? Their audience is BIG. But slowly each and every year people are waking up to the fact that their activism simply doesn't work for long-term vegan diets. That perfectionism and black and white thinking is exactly why most people are now falling off (dramatically) the vegan diet altogether.
I could go ahead and name all of the people, but i wont. That doesn't mean, however, that all young people believe in that dogma or follow those individuals or even agree with them remotely. I almost always highly recommend UnnaturalVegan to individuals who have started showing those evangelical signs.
But i do agree with @janejellyroll it really comes down to their exposure to these messages, not necissarily their age.
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Good call. Best not to give them the signal-boost.rainbowbow wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Nor do I, on any forum. But this doesn't mean I don't notice when they're vile to other people in their evangelicalism.janejellyroll wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Well, it kind of is a factor, because the 40-65 age bracket were the trailbreakers, and faced the social bemusement and condemnation. Going vegan or veggie in the 80s was hard and I think it's pretty disrespectful when young adults, who came to maturity in the current Golden Age of multiple soya 'cheeses' and clear labelling, condescend to people who've been showing the world that you can be vegan, not-dead and healthy for decades.rainbowbow wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Not 50, but I know what you mean. I was brought up on this diet, so that's 30 years now without dairy, etc and I really, really hate it when 18 year olds (75% of whom are going to be eating hamburgers again within the year after they crash and burn on their present badly planned vegan diet) patronise my mother and her peers.notlunchmuffin wrote: »also vegan. welcome to the butcher shop lady. lulz. i wish there was a separate over 50 vegan area on this board. listening to 18 year old hans and frans doling out copious one size fits all advice gets old.
I'm a lifelong vegetarian and I rarely eat eggs or have dairy (really only when it's baked into things or a real pain in the butt to get around). I'm also lactose intolerant. For the first 5 years of my life I was raised strictly vegan.
I have never in my life eaten meat, fish, worn leather, etc. etc. etc.
But I'm only 26.
So let's not with the over 50. Someone's age isn't really the factor here, plenty of morons out there spreading pseudoscience about veganism of all ages.
Going vegan is difficult for some younger people even today due to various life circumstances. I'm not going to dismiss anyone's decision to eliminate unnecessary animal exploitation from their lives.
Then again, I'm 38 and have only been vegan for ten years so I don't know if I am sufficiently seasoned to have worthwhile contributions to the conversation.
For example, I once joined a veggie-specific forum, because I wanted to diversify my diet, learn about new products, access recipes that had been built around vegetables in the first place...
Here is a off-the-top-of-my-head sample of type of thing that I read that made me leave again after a few months:
A raw food recipes discussion thread that segued into a gang of child-free/childless under 21s trying to rip an incredibly respectful and polite 50 year old vegetarian woman to shreds for saying that she didn't think she could have afforded to bring up her three vegetarian highly-active teens on a fully-raw diet. The consensus was that berries are cheap. Apparently. Gotta wonder whether they still thought that come winter.
I was also young, also childless, so I had no specialist knowledge myself either, but I could see who in the thread did...
Fresh vegetarians telling adults they weren't proper vegetarians for taking medication that came in gelatine capsules. No matter how important that prescription was.
Evangelical new vegans saying that proper vegan women don't compromise on their beliefs by using contraceptive tablets containing lactose or condoms. Apparently the vegan position is to abstain for most of your life apart from times you specifically want to have children, or accept having a baby every year. I remember thinking that the person concerned couldn't possibly be as dogmatic as they sounded, so I took part in that discussion, assuming they meant that it would be better to pick lactose-free forms of contraception over lactose-containing forms.
It turned out that they thought the only form of contraception out there was the oral contraception/the pill or condoms, and they really were willing to demand that women give up all forms of contraception (as they thought).
It's all complete, utter madness, which relies on the presumption that reducing your use of animal products is worthless unless you're perfect. However, as I have said before, this type of madness seems particularly unfair when it's directed at people like my parents, my husband's parents, and so on.
I've seen this behaviour in places other than that cesspit of a forum, and wherever it is, it is wrong. What a reward for persevering with ethical principles, despite the objections of your concerned family and friends, it is to be told you're not a proper veggie by someone half your age...
I think rudeness, assumptions, and incivility are inappropriate in people of any age. I don't see the over-50/under-50 distinction as relevant. I've seen astonishing rudeness from people under fifty and from people over fifty. I've also seen incredible kindness from both groups.
Unfortunately, part of veganism is being told, at some point, that you're not doing it "right." Maybe it will come from a fellow vegan (which I deplore), maybe it will come from a non-vegan playing "gotcha." It's going to happen. The best thing I can recommend is just developing a healthy sense of one's own justifications so that we don't have to rely on the approval of strangers to be happy and confident vegans. If vegans over fifty want to form a community, I think that is fine. I'd be equally supportive a group of vegan women or vegan Catholics or vegan bisexuals or vegan college students forming a community, support is great and sometimes advice from people who are in a similar situation is the most helpful. What concerns me is the idea that vegans over fifty must remove themselves because vegans under fifty are so awful. I never would have had a successful transition to veganism if it wasn't for all the animal advocates, bloggers, cookbook authors, and just plain nice people who helped me along -- and many of them were under fifty years old.
I've had the same experience. What i will say, and i can concede here.. is that a lot of the newer generations of vegans and vegetarians are being exposed to the message by evangelical and outright MONSTEROUS examples. After all, the ones with the loudest and most controversial messages seem to get the most attention.
The ideas you're talking about specifically (the no-kids, no-medicine, raw-vegan, HCLF, RT4, 80/10/10, vasectomies, comparing animal suffering to human rape and murder, the "animal holocaust", monomeals, potato diet, starch solution, water fasting, detoxing, parasite cleanses, SUGAR IS LYFE, etc.) stems mainly from the nut-jobs I've seen on YouTube. And you know what? Their audience is BIG. But slowly each and every year people are waking up to the fact that their activism simply doesn't work for long-term vegan diets. That perfectionism and black and white thinking is exactly why most people are now falling off (dramatically) the vegan diet altogether.
I could go ahead and name all of the people, but i wont. That doesn't mean, however, that all young people believe in that dogma or follow those individuals or even agree with them remotely. I almost always highly recommend UnnaturalVegan to individuals who have started showing those evangelical signs.
But i do agree with @janejellyroll it really comes down to their exposure to these messages, not necissarily their age.
I think we will have to agree to disagree. I don't think all vegans under 50 are awful, because that would be silly, but short of a personality transplant, I can't imagine ever losing the feeling of cringiness mixed with crossness I get when I see someone in their evangelical phase trying to play better-vegan-than-YOU! with someone who has consistently followed a vegan diet for yonks.
You don't have it, and you're probably an emotionally healthier person for it.0 -
FitRoberta wrote: »I'm 99% vegan. When my weight bounces around (and it does!), it's for the same reasons that non-vegans gain and lose weight: eating too much. When I'm gaining weight, I'm eating too many sweets and fried things, and in general just eating too much of everything, "forgetting" about portion control, and indulging in way too much dairy-free ice cream that is on the market now.
When I'm losing weight, I'm staying within my calories, avoiding hunger by eating lots of lower calorie foods like fruits and vegetables, and avoiding fried foods and too much sugar and alcohol. My diet centers around whole grains, beans, vegetables, and fruit. I eat oatmeal almost every morning, with PB2 powder, fruit, and a smidge of brown sugar. Lunch is usually leftovers from dinner, or salad. Dinners are usually simple affairs like vegan bowls, curries, stews, and casseroles (one of my go-to bowls: quinoa, steamed greens, dry-fried tofu, bbq sauce). The main processed food I eat is occasional fake meats, like the Beyond Meat brand of products. They're expensive but tasty. Beans and whole grains are mostly where I get my protein. I'll still have treats like my beloved vegan ice cream, but less often.
My favorite vegan cookbook author is Isa Moskowitz. One of her cookbooks, "Appetite for Reduction", is lowfat and geared toward weight loss, although all of her cookbooks are generally healthy (except the all-dessert ones!). I highly recommend the Mango BBQ Beans in Appetite for Reduction. It's a family favorite, and I usually replace the mango with apple and it's just as delicious, but cheaper (can you tell from this post that I'm a total cheapskate!? lol)
I exercise regularly regardless of whether I'm gaining or losing weight. It's my eating that affects my weight loss.
Good luck!
Totally off topic, sorry OP. But has anyone else tried Ben & Jerry's dairy free, specifically the seven layer bar? It's Dee-freaking-licious. Sadly, it's also 320 cals per serving. And yes, I ate the whole pint. No regrets on that one.0 -
Lancerchick86 wrote: »Hello,
Im a vegan who is looking for some help and guidance on food and weight loss. I'm not looking at introducing animal products back into my diet nor am I looking for bashing of the vegan lifestyle. If you can help, I'd gladly welcome it! Thanks!
I've been vegan for 25 years, any specific questions?
We are the same as anyone else, we need to watch our calories. I eat cliff bars as a snack or lunch quite often, I try to go easy on peanut butter, and don't assume that because it's vegan that it can't pack on the pounds. That's some of my best advise.1 -
rainbowbow wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Nor do I, on any forum. But this doesn't mean I don't notice when they're vile to other people in their evangelicalism.janejellyroll wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Well, it kind of is a factor, because the 40-65 age bracket were the trailbreakers, and faced the social bemusement and condemnation. Going vegan or veggie in the 80s was hard and I think it's pretty disrespectful when young adults, who came to maturity in the current Golden Age of multiple soya 'cheeses' and clear labelling, condescend to people who've been showing the world that you can be vegan, not-dead and healthy for decades.rainbowbow wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Not 50, but I know what you mean. I was brought up on this diet, so that's 30 years now without dairy, etc and I really, really hate it when 18 year olds (75% of whom are going to be eating hamburgers again within the year after they crash and burn on their present badly planned vegan diet) patronise my mother and her peers.notlunchmuffin wrote: »also vegan. welcome to the butcher shop lady. lulz. i wish there was a separate over 50 vegan area on this board. listening to 18 year old hans and frans doling out copious one size fits all advice gets old.
I'm a lifelong vegetarian and I rarely eat eggs or have dairy (really only when it's baked into things or a real pain in the butt to get around). I'm also lactose intolerant. For the first 5 years of my life I was raised strictly vegan.
I have never in my life eaten meat, fish, worn leather, etc. etc. etc.
But I'm only 26.
So let's not with the over 50. Someone's age isn't really the factor here, plenty of morons out there spreading pseudoscience about veganism of all ages.
Going vegan is difficult for some younger people even today due to various life circumstances. I'm not going to dismiss anyone's decision to eliminate unnecessary animal exploitation from their lives.
Then again, I'm 38 and have only been vegan for ten years so I don't know if I am sufficiently seasoned to have worthwhile contributions to the conversation.
For example, I once joined a veggie-specific forum, because I wanted to diversify my diet, learn about new products, access recipes that had been built around vegetables in the first place...
Here is a off-the-top-of-my-head sample of type of thing that I read that made me leave again after a few months:
A raw food recipes discussion thread that segued into a gang of child-free/childless under 21s trying to rip an incredibly respectful and polite 50 year old vegetarian woman to shreds for saying that she didn't think she could have afforded to bring up her three vegetarian highly-active teens on a fully-raw diet. The consensus was that berries are cheap. Apparently. Gotta wonder whether they still thought that come winter.
I was also young, also childless, so I had no specialist knowledge myself either, but I could see who in the thread did...
Fresh vegetarians telling adults they weren't proper vegetarians for taking medication that came in gelatine capsules. No matter how important that prescription was.
Evangelical new vegans saying that proper vegan women don't compromise on their beliefs by using contraceptive tablets containing lactose or condoms. Apparently the vegan position is to abstain for most of your life apart from times you specifically want to have children, or accept having a baby every year. I remember thinking that the person concerned couldn't possibly be as dogmatic as they sounded, so I took part in that discussion, assuming they meant that it would be better to pick lactose-free forms of contraception over lactose-containing forms.
It turned out that they thought the only form of contraception out there was the oral contraception/the pill or condoms, and they really were willing to demand that women give up all forms of contraception (as they thought).
It's all complete, utter madness, which relies on the presumption that reducing your use of animal products is worthless unless you're perfect. However, as I have said before, this type of madness seems particularly unfair when it's directed at people like my parents, my husband's parents, and so on.
I've seen this behaviour in places other than that cesspit of a forum, and wherever it is, it is wrong. What a reward for persevering with ethical principles, despite the objections of your concerned family and friends, it is to be told you're not a proper veggie by someone half your age...
I think rudeness, assumptions, and incivility are inappropriate in people of any age. I don't see the over-50/under-50 distinction as relevant. I've seen astonishing rudeness from people under fifty and from people over fifty. I've also seen incredible kindness from both groups.
Unfortunately, part of veganism is being told, at some point, that you're not doing it "right." Maybe it will come from a fellow vegan (which I deplore), maybe it will come from a non-vegan playing "gotcha." It's going to happen. The best thing I can recommend is just developing a healthy sense of one's own justifications so that we don't have to rely on the approval of strangers to be happy and confident vegans. If vegans over fifty want to form a community, I think that is fine. I'd be equally supportive a group of vegan women or vegan Catholics or vegan bisexuals or vegan college students forming a community, support is great and sometimes advice from people who are in a similar situation is the most helpful. What concerns me is the idea that vegans over fifty must remove themselves because vegans under fifty are so awful. I never would have had a successful transition to veganism if it wasn't for all the animal advocates, bloggers, cookbook authors, and just plain nice people who helped me along -- and many of them were under fifty years old.
I've had the same experience. What i will say, and i can concede here.. is that a lot of the newer generations of vegans and vegetarians are being exposed to the message by evangelical and outright MONSTEROUS examples. After all, the ones with the loudest and most controversial messages seem to get the most attention.
The ideas you're talking about specifically (the no-kids, no-medicine, raw-vegan, HCLF, RT4, 80/10/10, vasectomies, comparing animal suffering to human rape and murder, the "animal holocaust", monomeals, potato diet, starch solution, water fasting, detoxing, parasite cleanses, SUGAR IS LYFE, etc.) stems mainly from the nut-jobs I've seen on YouTube. And you know what? Their audience is BIG. But slowly each and every year people are waking up to the fact that their activism simply doesn't work for long-term vegan diets. That perfectionism and black and white thinking is exactly why most people are now falling off (dramatically) the vegan diet altogether.
I could go ahead and name all of the people, but i wont. That doesn't mean, however, that all young people believe in that dogma or follow those individuals or even agree with them remotely. I almost always highly recommend UnnaturalVegan to individuals who have started showing those evangelical signs.
But i do agree with @janejellyroll it really comes down to their exposure to these messages, not necissarily their age.
I'd say the nut jobs are people who are willing to have an animal's throat slit so they can eat a meal that they drown in spices, seasoning, and condiments anyways.0 -
CynthiasChoice wrote: »I used to be vegan. I learned that it's important to keep up with the B-12 supplements, get adequate healthy fat in my diet and incorporate beans/lentils in two meals a day. I also incorporated a vegan protein shake most days.
I've heard mixed reports about soy beans, so for the most part, I steered clear of soy to be safe. I've also heard bad things about MSG and memory loss, so I avoided the fake meats, which often have autolyzed yeast, which is high in MSG but avoids the labeling laws somehow. If you're concerned about MSG in fake meats or seasonings, you should google "code names for MSG." Another vegan food that bothered me was "vegan" cheese....with casein in it! How do you get casein without a cow?
I lost 90 pounds on a vegan, low-glycemic diet. Eating at home was easy because I don't mind cooking, but traveling as a vegan was very hard, especially since I was scrupulous about avoiding white sugar and white flour. I learned to take almonds with me everywhere, and I learned to be satisfied with a banana and an apple for dinner sometimes. Eating vegan was very rewarding to me emotionally and spiritually. Maybe one day I'll get back to it.
Good luck to you!
Typically that cheese is labeled "dairy free" or "lactose free" not vegan. But 20+ years ago casein was snuck into everything. Now you have a lot of options that are actually vegan.0
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